Bolted into a tuna can plummeting to the bottom of the ocean in pitch darkness is not an adventure. It’s suicide.

I worked on Grumman S-2 Trackers during Vietnam (the only female in Avionics back then) but we had a pilot in our training squadron that reminds me of Stockton Rush. It was the talk of the Squadron that we had some international student pilots to be trained there. One day I got a call for the "hot spot" (planes engines running). It was the pilot and he had three of the international students! (can't remember the country I think Italy) I told the pilot I would have to down the aircraft to fix the problem, he told me "Get off my plane you're just a GIRL and I want a man who knows what he's doing!" (I trained all the guys in the shop by then) But okay. He kicked out my coworker who told him the same. We passed by someone from the electrician shop going into the plane. He told us later that he'd also informed the pilot he'd have to down him to fix the issue. That made the pilot furious! At this point, back then, it was the pilot's call. Shut down, take another plane or wait another day, wait for repairs, his call. He took off anyway, even cussing at the Tower. Making everyone tense. Like a bad feeling. About 30 minutes later, the entire hangar went silent, the eeriest thing I've ever experienced, not a sound. No engines running, no takeoffs or landings, no shop banging on something. Then I knew, I just knew. I ran to the Control and asked "Was it......" He said "I can't confirm" but he nodded . We lost that entire crew on that plane. I cried all day. I was so angry. What a stupid pilot, why did he go anyway? Was it because of the students? Being the pilot that would be training them? The big shot? Probably, a lot of pilots were egotistical. A lot of hubris for sure. That's just their personality. When a Harrier came to the base it was told NO to vertical takeoffs so of course, they did anyway. Told not to buzz the tower, they did anyway. Listening to this reminded me of long ago and that pilot that knew there were issues and took off anyway. And people died. That's the saddest part when someone wants the glory and doesn't care who's in harm's way.

I think having money and a false sense of security fostered by faith in technology that most people don’t really have any understanding of makes people out of touch with reality. Brave explorers? I don’t think so.

At 2:38 you say the support vessel called for help immediately, but in reality they waited 8 hours before calling for any help.

As a gamer, the controller probably/likely had "stick drift" because theyre cheap. So the can they were in probably ended up diving down faster then they intended and accelerated the ultimate demise and human pulp result.

@not_glad

Ай бұрын

No. Submersibles don't move up or down in water via controlled propulsion. Rather the buoyancy of the sub is controlled with weights and comprssed air systems. It crushed because it was made from carbon fibre, the wrong choice of material for deep sea. People knew this, people warned them not to use carbon fibre but the idiot pushed ahead anyway because he couldn't afford the proper titanium alloy that's required. Ironically he called the thing "Titan", but titanium wasn't used unfortunately, "Carbon" would have been a more fitting name.

@daveb947

Ай бұрын

@not_glad no, I know. I'm just saying that because it was controlled by the controller and going by what people have said about the trips they've had in it, that a thruster could have shifted and with the known controller issues, they could have thought everything was fine. Stuff could have shifted just enough, the bolts fastening the thrusters could have broken or come out etc. Either way, probably will never truly know what happened aside from the fact he ignored everyone and everything that warned him.

@ryansta

Ай бұрын

@@daveb947 The controller had zero to do with the implosion as 'not_glad' explained to you, submarines like these relay on altering their buoyancy by use of weights carried in this case. They release these weight to eventually resurface. The actual thrusters only have power for keeping position against the currents to a degree ( there;s some powerful currents down there) and for maneuvering at slow speed. They also carried replacement controllers incase of failure. The Sub imploded due to improper materials used during construction.

@daveb947

Ай бұрын

@ryansta again, I know. I'm just saying it was a shit show all together. I mean, you have reports of crackling and almost gunshot sounds during an earlier dive, thrusters failing, etc. It seems like literally everything failed right down to the "experts" on the team. Wasn't trying to seem like an expert or annoy people. So, my apologies.

@ryansta

Ай бұрын

@@daveb947 No need for any apologies at all, Dave, sorry if you thought what I was saying was sounding that way. Yeah it was a shitshow 👍 alright, the guys who go to those depths spend years just testing components costing a fortune, not ordering them off Amazon next day delivery like this guy did. Still, sounds like he didn't have much time to regret it all in the end.

If it’s predictable it’s preventable💯

"Stockton Rush tried to build a sub out of a Chevy Cavalier hood and took people to the titanic" this has to be the best take on this event I have ever heard 😭

It would only have taken 30 minutes of KZread videos on ocean gate along with a VERY basic understanding of water pressure and depth to have totally deterred me from ever going near that sub !

They made it to Challenger deep in like the '60s, it was the Navy I believe. About halfway down one of the double pane windows cracked and they decided to keep going. That's some balls

@CrypticDish

Ай бұрын

They were BUILT DIFFERENT!

i love cryptic dish!

@KorrusStoneHammer

Ай бұрын

It’s a stellar show

@CrypticDish

Ай бұрын

And we you. ❤️❤️

Titanic is a grave sight, just leave it alone. Bob Ballard never thought anybody would go visit Titanic after he discovered it so he never put a claim on it.

Too much glue, too much epoxy, too much plastic.

You know what’s wild to me… the number of people who suggest that these folks “do their research” when the whole point is that they’ve been surprised by the topic and then speculate/discuss it. 🙄

@CrypticDish

Ай бұрын

Nice of you to say! :) We did change our format for this episode so for what it's worth, the Dishers did know this topic. We definitely will try to be more accurate from here on out, but even still, it's about the hang and we ARE FAR from experts and will be the first to tell someone that. Haha We hope the discussions resonate with people and gives them a few additional friends to hangout with every so often. We appreciate you!

Stockton's ego was so large that he believed the laws of physics would bend for him. He was warned by many, he fired people who questioned him, and he believed he was above it all. I don't feel sorry for him. I feel sorry for that kid who was the only one with enough sense to not want to go, but did it anyway to make his dad happy.

@CrypticDish

28 күн бұрын

💯

did y'all hear that another billionaire is gonna go down to the titanic

@CrypticDish

Ай бұрын

This just broke right after we recorded. I guess you have to make $1 billion to be a moron.

@KorrusStoneHammer

Ай бұрын

It’s definitely one of the more creative ways to commit su***de

@CrypticDish

Ай бұрын

What could go wrong?!

@portiapans537

Ай бұрын

@@CrypticDishthe guy is my mom’s neighbour (for one of his many houses). She believes he can do it! I’m not so sure lol

@CrypticDish

Ай бұрын

@@portiapans537 hey good luck to him! Just tell him to check those seals. lol 🦭

I dont understand why everyone is so concerned about the controller when it had nothing to do with what happened.

@nickv4073

Ай бұрын

Its a symbol of how cheaply built this thing really was.

Don’t know why people keep banging on about this. This is what happened when you mess with Mother Nature. A small capsule with the weight of the Eiffel Tower balancing on one leg on top of it what do you think it’s gonna happen in time? Because that is what it is like. It was just a matter of time. The sad part is the 19 boy who never got to see life.

@CrypticDish

Ай бұрын

The deaths are definitely tragic, especially that one. Just shouldn’t have happened.

@glamdolly30

Ай бұрын

@@CrypticDish Why did it happen? Because snake oil salesman Stockton Rush was such a skilled and persuasive con artist, he was able to convince billionaire donors a trip on his carbon fibre coke can was safer than crossing the road. The guy should go down in history as one of the world's deadliest narcissistic abusers.

I'm only sorry for that kid that was there only to please his dad, all the adults were fools who fkd around and found out

This Is the first video, that I have seen, that actually showed the virtual of the bodies exploding. What happened was horrible. Don't take people to their death...God bless those who were lost.

Engineering by Mickey Mouse. Looks like they raided the junk box for parts.

Another great show, my heart goes out to the families of those that died, but no way I’d have done it even if I had the money to blow. Maybe these billionaires have so much appreciation of their own life is impossible, but I kind of like the 5 or 6 billionaires paying this cat enough to make them disappear theory, I love a good conspiracy theory!

so what happened to the gas cylinders they were sitting on? were they recovered?

THE plastic window when it was raised up they only showed it once there was looked like HAMBERGER meat red I saved it on my phone

Old news. We know the fate of the doomed sub.

@JadenDeniseh

Ай бұрын

@@karencowan9940 I say this about every history book I read as well.

It had a window

THE SAFE IS THE PRIZE OVE THE TITANIC JUST SO GLAD JAMES CAMORON FOUND IT WHEN THEY DID BEFORE IT GOT SO DETERIATED HIS TEAM IS AUSUM WHAT IF A HUGE WALE OR SHARK JUST SWIPED TITAN WITH A TALE ANYTHING COULD HAPPEN NO WAY EVER WOULD EVER WANT TO PUT MYSELF OR ALOW FAMILY MEMBERS TO NOT BE NO LODGIC

1ST the Sub is controlled by a 2$ X-Box remote control..! Who’s surprised there was Massive Failure with them controlling there Sub.??! I’m sorry but if I’m going 8/ 10,000 ft. Under the water with wires & rope all hanging out flowing in the water & as I’m paying attention to what’s happening in front of Me I’m not paying attention to the Ropes & stuff that can get my sub tangled up & leaving me trapped. I’m sorry I’m not going down there as a spectator or fan of the Titanic.. & UR calling it a State of the Art Sub.? I’m sorry I’m going to disagree immensely U don’t build a sub out of carbon fiber and use an Xbox controller that you buy at Walmart in state of the Art.!!

Partially factual but you would expect you to know there was a viewing window... The very thing that might have failed first... Have up after 5 mins sorry guys

Why the Cussing

@CrypticDish

28 күн бұрын

We’ve got potty mouths at times. We’ll try to do better. :)

Do these speakers do any prior research before their shows? They only had to use Google to learn James Cameron was invited by Stockton Rush to join one of the 'Titan' expeditions to the 'Titanic' wreck. Cameron refused. Unsurprising, as he'd already made 33 successful dives to see 'Titanic', many of which were scientific fact-finding/mapping missions. Needless to say, he went to those incredible, 12,500 ft depths in state-of-the-art, properly designed and constructed submersible craft. No way would he have set foot in the carbon fibre coke can called 'Titan'. I suspect Cameron recognised what a promotional coup it would be for 'OceanGate' if he was seen to endorse their dodgy operation, even tacitly by joining a 'Titanic' trip. No doubt that was Rush's whole motivation for inviting him. Ditto PH Nargeolet, known as 'Mr Titanic' for his 37 previous 'Titanic' dives, who was engaged by 'OceanGate' as a tour guide. Nargeolet's presence would inevitably have given people false confidence that the dives were safe.

@CrypticDish

Ай бұрын

The answer is no - but that’s what we have you for! :)

@glamdolly30

Ай бұрын

@@CrypticDish I highly recommend a thing called 'Google', give it a whirl sometime.

@glamdolly30

Ай бұрын

@@CrypticDish There's a wonderful thing called 'Google' - give it a whirl!

People actually believe this nonsense! No one in their right mind would get in that thing. Sometimes you have to make up stories to take people out.

DAMN! Speaker doesn't know the words for the Bow (front end), or Stern (back end of a ship), and can't remember the name of the guy who first found and photographed the 'Titanic' wreck in 1985, American oceanographer Robert Ballard. Could the panel do some basic research on the subject before these shows, and maybe take some notes in with them as memory joggers for the all-important facts? It's really frustrating to watch, when they are talking with so few specific facts at their fingertips. This podcast is the on the level of a drunken chat with pals at the bar on a Friday night - passes the time, but you're not gonna learn anything, or even remember it an hour later!

@glamdolly30

Ай бұрын

@LordPlagous Oh no darling, don't do that. Life's way too short to waste on mediocrity like this.

@JadenDeniseh

Ай бұрын

@@glamdolly30 seems like that was a one off, just some random part of their conversation. Like it was just a response to a casual statement one of them made. If you critique strangers having a “fun for them” conversation anywhere as harshly as you do strangers on the internet, “drunken chats with pals” are likely only a memory and not something in your future.

@glamdolly30

Ай бұрын

@@JadenDeniseh Are you aware that all viewer comments, good bad and indifferent, are a positive result for a KZread channel? Comments reflect traffic, and confirm people are watching. On that front 'Cryptic Dish' are winning, as there are many more posts here making exactly the same point I did about the remarkably poor quality of this podcast. If only the sloppiness I referenced were a 'one-off', as you claim. Alas there were umpteen other howlers too numerous to list - eg the host and guests weren't even aware the 'Titan' submersible had a window! Non-researched, inaccurate statements, glaring factual errors, and pseudo passionate speeches that trail off, having thrown light on precisely nothing at all, are absolutely fine in a bar - not so good on a podcast. If these three guys are as hurt as you were by some robust viewer feedback, they're way too sensitive to be on KZread. But I suspect they have sufficient smarts to be thrilled by any and all feedback! Let's hope they're big enough to embrace such criticism and improve their content as a result of it. Are you perhaps related to one of these gentlemen you're defending so passionately, maybe his loyal wife or mom? I do hope so, you seem oddly emotionally invested. Which, if you don't know them personally, would be sad and let's face it, a little bit creepy.

This video absolutely added NOTHING new to the discussion. It is just a regurgitation of everything that is already out there about this tragedy. Please let it go. Show a bit of respect to the deceased, their families and friends. Stop sensationalising this tragedy for clicks and views

@KorrusStoneHammer

Ай бұрын

Calm down

@desertstar223

Ай бұрын

@@KorrusStoneHammer I am as calm as can be. I just dont like bs.

@glamdolly30

Ай бұрын

100% correct - it's embarrassing to watch, they did no research whatsoever and are totally clueless about the most basic facts (they didn't even know the Titan sub had a window!) 🤣🤣🤣 There are a ton of excellent, properly researched, informative videos on the Titan tragedy to be found on KZread, many made recently to mark the 1 year anniversary. Unfortunately this video is a total waste of everyone's time. I'm honestly baffled why you would make a podcast, when you have zero knowledge of your subject, and clearly didn't even bother to do 20 minutes of prior Google research?! I'm embarrassed for them.

Wtf are you guys talking about? Titan had a window. People in the sub rotated to the front to see out of the sub. Question? Why do people go to Pearl Harbor? It’s a graveyard. Thousands of people died there. You can take a helicopter to the top of Everest, but people die trying to climb Everest.

@CrypticDish

Ай бұрын

You’re correct there was a porthole! Jay’s mistake there. :D

@KorrusStoneHammer

Ай бұрын

So they may have been able to look out a real window before being crushed to death by the weight of the ocean! Sweet!

@night_owl365

Ай бұрын

They also waited eight hours to raise the alarm with the coast guard. They didn't contact anyone right away. Please research your info.

@JadenDeniseh

Ай бұрын

@@night_owl365I don’t think I even heard this talked about.

@night_owl365

Ай бұрын

@@JadenDeniseh "At 9.45am - an hour and 45 minutes into the dive - it lost contact with its mothership, the Polar Prince. But it wasn't reported as missing to the US Coast Guard until 5.40pm, eight hours later. Canada's Coast Guard wasn't alerted until even later - 9.13pm on Sunday night."

I love the topic a lot but all I see is 3 hypocrites in this video

@glamdolly30

Ай бұрын

All three are clueless about the Titan disaster and haven't done even the most basic research on it or even the 'Titanic' wreck's history - it's embarrassing how basic and ill-informed the discussion is. But 'hypocrites' how?

@user-mj6he6se7n

Ай бұрын

stop

'Titan' lost contact with the mother ship 'Polar Prince' around 1hr 45 mins into the dive, not 'a few hours' as the narrator said in his intro. That kind of sloppy narration doesn't inspire confidence in anything else he says.

@JadenDeniseh

Ай бұрын

15 minutes.

@glamdolly30

Ай бұрын

@@JadenDeniseh ????

@JadenDeniseh

Ай бұрын

@@glamdolly30 you made it sound like saying “a few hours” was some gross exaggeration and the difference between “a few hours” and “an hour and forty five minutes” is a mere fifteen minutes, like it’s some huge plot whole in what they’re talking about. They’re not testifying in front of a jury. Respectfully, it just seems like criticism for criticism’s sake.

@glamdolly30

Ай бұрын

​@@JadenDeniseh 'A few' typically means three, not two (two is 'a couple'). Regardless, you missed the point. Anyone familiar with this widely reported tragedy of one year ago, knows the 'Titan' lost contact with the mother ship after 1 hr 45 minutes. That the host was sloppy on such a simple, well documented fact in his pre-scripted intro, suggested he'd done little research. Sadly that was confirmed by the lazy, seemingly entirely non-researched, unenlightening car-crash that followed. Have you watched the whole video? All three guys were woefully ignorant on the most basic facts of the 'Titan' disaster. They didn't even know the doomed sub had a window! Over the last 12 months there's been huge media coverage of this story worldwide, and as these comments reflect, many people watching this podcast have a far better grasp of the facts than the panel did. It's baffling they chose to discuss it at all, as podcasts generally focus on a subject the host and guests are interested in, and knowledgeable about. Yet apparently they weren't sufficiently interested in this topic to watch a few documentaries (some great, brand new ones were recently uploaded to KZread to mark the one year anniversary), or just acquaint themselves with the most basic facts via Google. If you're going to present an extended, 43 minute discussion/debate on a real event (particularly a non-frivolous one which ended five lives), I respectfully suggest you should prepare. That way you'll be able to form intelligent, informed opinions, and argue from a position of knowledge, not ignorance. If they are the decent guys I think they are, they'll take negative viewer feedback on the chin, learn from it, and work harder to improve their content. Time will tell.

@glamdolly30

Ай бұрын

​ @JadenDeniseh 'A few' typically means three, not two (two is 'a couple'). Regardless, you missed the point. Anyone familiar with this widely reported tragedy of one year ago, knows the 'Titan' lost contact with the mother ship after 1 hr 45 minutes. That the host was sloppy on such a simple, well documented fact in his pre-scripted intro, suggested he'd done little research. Sadly that was confirmed by the lazy, seemingly entirely non-researched, unenlightening car-crash that followed. Have you watched the whole video? All three guys were woefully ignorant on the most basic facts of the 'Titan' disaster. They didn't even know the doomed sub had a window! Over the last 12 months there's been huge media coverage of this story worldwide, and as these comments reflect, many people watching this podcast have a far better grasp of the facts than the panel did. It's baffling they chose to discuss it at all, as podcasts generally focus on a subject the host and guests are interested in, and knowledgeable about. Yet apparently they weren't sufficiently interested in this topic to watch a few documentaries (some great, brand new ones were recently uploaded to KZread to mark the one year anniversary), or just acquaint themselves with the most basic facts via Google. If you're going to present an extended, 43 minute discussion/debate on a real event (particularly a non-frivolous one which ended five lives), I respectfully suggest you should prepare. That way you'll be able to form intelligent, informed opinions, and argue from a position of knowledge, not ignorance. If they are the decent guys I think they are, they'll take negative viewer feedback on the chin, learn from it, and work harder to improve their content. Time will tell.

Bow, stern, portside, starboardside, keel, mast. Main deck 1st, 2nd, 3rd decks down to the keel. Going up from main deck 01, 02, 03, 04 etc. to the top of the mast.

@CrypticDish

Ай бұрын

Thanks for sharing!

Yeah you guys should do your research before you make fools of yourselves. It did have a window

@CrypticDish

Ай бұрын

Where’s the fun in that? :)

I still laugh at it now.

@desertstar223

Ай бұрын

Only a sub human would laugh at people losing their lives.