Funny how oceangate's stated goal was for science, yet they ignored every piece of scientific and engineering advice from everyone more qualified than rush

@Shift4g

11 ай бұрын

Lets be honest, if all of science was ignored, nobody would have even heard of this company or Rush because he would have died on dive 1. While he made colossally poor decisions and had an unattractive personality, he was not an idiot.

@smileyeagle1021

11 ай бұрын

@@Shift4g just because it didn't fail on the first dive doesn't mean it wasn't an incredibly stupid design. A fatal flaw doesn't become any less of a fatal flaw because it doesn't immediately cause a failure.

@Shift4g

11 ай бұрын

@@smileyeagle1021 I agree that it was an incredibly stupid design...to keep using after the first dive. Making it to that depth and back more than once is not some trivial thing. There was sound science at play, just not enough to continue. I still stand by the logic that a design that flat out doesn't work won't accidentally work a few times if the former is true. The peer argument wasn't that it was a design that would eventually fail, it was that it was so backwards it couldn't work in actual application.

@gailmcn

11 ай бұрын

@@Shift4g He was certainly a better salesman than he was a deepsea submersible developer......oh wait, he didn't have any professional training in deep sea marine engineering, did he? just aerodynamic engineering and aviation, which deals with a diametrically opposite environment!

@somersfamily

11 ай бұрын

​@@mrnice111just more people have common sense. 👋

A couple of potentially key aspects that weren't mentioned in this video: A - The viewport was only rated for EDIT: 1300m. That's 1/3 of the depth to the Titanic. That was a flagrant, known danger point. Russian roulette on every dive with a negative safety margin. B - The engineering spec for the carbon fiber thickness was 7". They built it to 5". C - Preface: I used to work at Boeing on the 787 program, both post-cure and pre-cure. The 787 is mostly made of carbon fiber. Pre-cure was basically a low-level clean room. Not an open warehouse where people were at working areas with loafers and polo shirts. Every single large co-cured part underwent ultrasonic inspection and any defects fixed, and checked again for verification. The submersible did not get any testing for voids, inclusions, nor delamination after it was built. Any small one of those SIGNIFICANTLY weakens a co-cured composite structure by a significant amount. For them claiming to be primarily interested in scientific pursuits, they intentionally disregarded science, engineering, and safety standards, then claimed they got in the way of innovation. I'm fine with innovation, but when innovating, you put no lives or only put your life on the line...... not putting several uninformed lives on the line. In my opinion, the passenger's deaths are akin to homicide. Rules were intentionally disregarded, then lives knowingly put in significant danger. Edit: I'm in no way meaning to imply the video missed points intentionally. The stream of information about the disaster comes and goes, and I'm certain there was no ill intent, intentional misinformation, nor deliberate skipping of information.

@tcu1099

11 ай бұрын

This should be a pinned comment. Great work. I have found this channel so fascinating but this video is just... Weirdly off. These are awesome facts!

@maryeckel9682

11 ай бұрын

I agree wholeheartedly. Good work on the lovely 787.

@TimInertiatic

11 ай бұрын

C - completely agree A & B - I've read the same, but is there a reliable source for these?

@soboring1826

11 ай бұрын

​@@TimInertiaticMany people in the deep sea diving community wrote to him saying it was a bad idea and thats all documented. Also the one whistleblower that worked there years ago.

@jeancolley8908

11 ай бұрын

@@TimInertiatic I know the window rating came up in the 2018 lawsuit involving David Lochridge and the company. He allegded in his lawsuit that he was fired when he raised concerns about the safety of Titan, including the window pressure rating. I read aobut it on CNN, but that will also give you the name to google to find your own sources if you want to cross check

The only open question I have about Titan is where the incompetence stopped and the willful negligence began.

@Jenalgo

10 ай бұрын

The court will decide that when the company is rightly destroyed by the law suits that are coming.

@staciasmith5162

9 ай бұрын

When Rush fired and sued his experienced submariner pilot who refused to sign off on its safety and blew the whistle. Rush lied about Boeing, NASA and UofW being in partnership with Oceangate. That was in 2018. Start there with gross, purposeful, deliberate negligence.

@connormclernon26

6 ай бұрын

I’d say 20/80 on the Incompetence/Willful Negligence. Considering one of Stockton’s key quotes was “you’re only remembered for the rules you break,” he was clearly ignoring what the people who knew better than him told him not to do and did it anyways

@nunya2954

4 ай бұрын

@@Jenalgo honey, that money is gone, even if won lawsuits, they won't get a dime, there is no money and if there was, the second the company knew that this was probably a death situation those moneys probably disappeared out of the corp. accounts and will be hard pressed to get lawsuits as they all signed waivers.

@katellama6348

2 ай бұрын

​@@nunya2954no waiver can excuse a company from wilful negligence. You can certify that you accept inherent risks in a dangerous activity, but not give someone blanket coverage for throwing your life away irresponsibly.

Can’t speak for the weapons system aboard USS Colorado, but as a former submariner, there is a very big difference between the Titan being completely controlled by a game controller, and a game controller literally only controlling the periscope. Not to mention that the control surfaces (at least on board a 688i) have several redundancies and other places they can be controlled even if the ships control panel is damaged.

@Shift4g

11 ай бұрын

I think his point was simply that something of this level even exists and is used in a professional/serious environment. People are getting hung up on JUST the fact that it's a Logitech controller that can be used for gaming so as to imply that no simplistic input or output devices are used outside of your children's toys in a home.

@LongdownConker

11 ай бұрын

@@Shift4g the real point about the logitech controller for me was that it's a cheap wireless controller that's known for being unreliable. That's why people are hung up on it.

@gailmcn

11 ай бұрын

@@Shift4g Mike was trying to defend Rush's use of a single wireless controller to control everything. But he used a fallacy to defend Rush's choice. It is a fallacy that submarine's use a similar set-up to control the subs operations. Sadly, in his zeal to defend Rush, Mike didn't bother to research this...if he had, he would have soon learned how wrong he was in thinking the military was doing what Rush did.

@sinewybug8415

11 ай бұрын

@@gailmcn no he's more just making a comparison that they are used for similar applications and that the idea is not completely out of the blue

@mjouwbuis

11 ай бұрын

@@Shift4g it's not about its simplicity but about the points of failure that are very different from what would be desired for mission critical operations in such an environment.

James Cameron was basically right. Cut corners. Ignored warnings. Needless catastrophe waiting to happen…. Right next to the Titanic. Like modern day Shakespeare.

@JoeLinux2000

11 ай бұрын

It's learning event. Too much caution can be very unproductive.

@jamesharrison2763

11 ай бұрын

​@@JoeLinux2000yeah the CEO said something similar and it didn't work out to great for him. I would suggest safety is the absolute priority because accidents set back innovation because of lack of trust. Look what challenger disaster did to NASA. Loss of investors, loss of public trust. This will slow down deep sea exploration severely, much more so than ensuring your engineering is absolutely perfect and properly testing materials before using your design for tourism purposes.

@saralotti7174

11 ай бұрын

⁠@@jamesharrison2763why do that when you can Warp Speed an experiment into half the globe for profit? Without any long term risk studies. Oh wait sorry I thought you were talking about the mRNA jab. Boost away!!!! 😏💉💵💉💵💉💵💉💵

@quentagonthornton49

11 ай бұрын

​@@JoeLinux2000 The catastrophic results due to failing to implement basic safety features found on just about any submersible craft since WW2 is significantly more unproductive than "too much" caution.

@cruisinguy6024

11 ай бұрын

James Cameron doesn't do what James Cameron does for James Cameron. James Cameron does what James Cameron does because James Cameron is James Cameron.

The Titan was built by people who thought they knew better, Lost by people who thought they knew better, and found by people who knew better.

@cats4114

11 ай бұрын

Well said

@andyhunter5191

11 ай бұрын

By far the best comment to date.

@CrobinHood8BitGuy

11 ай бұрын

Well said Jack, well said. The entire situation is very unfortunate, but sometimes ignorance and catastrophic losses are what it takes to make the future safer for everyone.

@Ealsante

11 ай бұрын

Don't forget, the people who knew better were repeatedly ignored, and even fired, by the people who thought they knew better.

@jus10lewissr

11 ай бұрын

Yes! Thank you, that was very well said in the most simple and "easy-to-understand" way possible!

The number of people defending the CEO is astounding to me. As I recall he basically went on TV and said “I’m gonna ignore all safety procedures because they stifle development and increase cost and complexity.” Why anyone would defend a guy like this is absolutely beyond me. It’s entirely possible to be innovative while still following basic safety protocols.

My father was a sonar tech in the navy during the Cold War and he used to tell me that the things he’d hear in the ocean would probably freak a lot of people out. Really freaky stuff down there.

@ivanmarconetti4029

11 ай бұрын

Podes contar un poco mas de eso? Suena interesante!

@posticusmaximus1739

11 ай бұрын

Yeah like USS Thresher and USS Scorpion, two nuclear subs near the Titanic that imploded. Ironically, Bob Ballard was hired to explore these wrecks and was allowed to search for the Titanic on his downtime. He found it, and 35 years later it would attract Stockton Rush and his sub would implode too

@vibratingstring

11 ай бұрын

@@posticusmaximus1739 THRESHER is near TITANIC but SCORPION is other side of ocean

@thebeaz1

11 ай бұрын

Such as.......?

@jeng8401

11 ай бұрын

@@thebeaz1 Whale sex

It's commendable you defended the OceanGate project, both its design, and its reason for existence - science. But I'd dispute that, as a scientist who has been professionally involved in studying and mapping the seabed, and I've made digital photogrammetric 3-D imagery. There isn't any science that this submerisible could do that couldn't be done as well, or better, by remote vehicles mapping the Titanic in detail. Which has already been done and which you pointed out. In fact the Titanic has now been mapped in incredible detail. Taking with them a man and his young son, both of whom had no scientific background, or reason to be there (apart from sightseeing) does not suggest any genuine science. Ok perhaps we could justify their presence by saying the company needed paying customers (with a high ticket price) to fund the project. But if doing genuine science, skip the need to make the vessel big enough for fee-paying passengers, and just build a smaller one (to take only genuine scientists), made from titanium as a sphere - as you showed in your excellent breakdown of Alvin. Finally, if this was all about science, why did Stockton Rush do the exact opposite of that? i.e. ignored the science that showed what materials you could and couldn't build with, ignored the necessary certification (which all genuine scientists would adhere to), and ignored what other experienced experts were telling him. It smacks at best of massive overconfidence in his own abilities, at worst of extreme arrogance.

@AdminAbuse

11 ай бұрын

This video was pure apologism, threw me off. I understand his approach and being respectful but you can't just glance over everything that's public knowledge now

@rareblues78daddy

11 ай бұрын

He's sticking up for these fools because he wants to stay in good standing with the folks involved in this stuff. He's become a tool, and that's obvious.

@melaniecarver5719

11 ай бұрын

@@rareblues78daddy Oh good grief. He's not "become a tool". He's just presenting from his point of view. He seems sympathetic because one of the individuals on board was a personal hero of his. I don't feel that he was being an apologist. There's no need to insult him when he always has great videos, some of the better ones on this hellscape that is called You Tube. I mean, who are you calling "fools"? The owner, the dude with his 19 year old son, the scientist? Some of them were just sightseers. The owner may have been arrogant but he paid with his life just like the rest. I'm sure he felt it was safe, or convinced himself it was. I think anyone who feels the need to do these risky things is kind of silly (I don't want to call them fools), but that's just me.

@noticiasinmundicias

11 ай бұрын

Agreed. Weird take defending these people. Seriously, even though it became a meme, using a consumer device to steer the vehicle is beyond insane.

@sacramentofoodforest

11 ай бұрын

@@AdminAbusefacts. I think any scientist / engineer watching this would say exactly what you both did

At the end of the day, it appears this incident was caused by no small amount of hubris and carelessness by OceanGate. Untested construction techniques, ignoring safety regulations and dismissing safety concerns. Simplicity and "risk taking" is something for consumer technology, not when human lives are at risk when visiting one of the most extreme environments on Earth.

@Borninthe80s.

11 ай бұрын

Sad that a company who was responsible for keeping their passengers safe had zero care for safety

@robertsmith-dr5tm

11 ай бұрын

No small amount of irony that the unsinkable ship was visited by the unsinkable submersible and both were lost because of known hazards that could have been avoided but for lack of common sense

@judydenver5362

11 ай бұрын

This thing is made out of "Scissors, paper, and string"! ...so to speak. Ghastly. I also read a quote, from the CEO, - Rush, a direct quote by him....that he admitted that he was told by engineers, to NEVER go below a level of around 11,000 feet, in this thing, EVER.

@SEPK09

11 ай бұрын

well thats them out of business does make you wonder how they got to that point. Never even knew they were doing paid visits, and I would say I have a good interest in the subject!!!

@Iconoclasher

11 ай бұрын

"Darwinism" the gift that keeps on taking.

As a complete layman it seems to me the acoustic warning system that drops the weights if the pressure vessel makes telltale noises of impending breakup was worthless because once you hear those noises you have seconds to react, and the ship can't change its depth significantly in seconds. It took hours for it to free fall to the target depth of ~12000 feet. Lets say the cracking noises happened at 10000 feet, they took action and dropped the weights, but then the momentum of the ship still continued downward for a second, then slowed to a stop, then reversed to begin accelerating upward, and all that action took say 5 to 10 seconds before the ship attained any significant upward speed. It may have managed to reduce its depth by a couple hundred feet before BOOM, it imploded at say 9800 feet, which was not enough pressure reduction in time to save them. Like the Titanic was unable to make enough course correction in the time it had to react to the sighting of the iceberg.

@isleofthanet

11 ай бұрын

If Titanic has carried on instead of turning it probably wouldnt have been so catastrophic.

@onemoremisfit

11 ай бұрын

@@isleofthanet Yes, I have read that assessment by experts decades ago, that if Titanic had rammed the iceberg head on then it would not have breached as many watertight compartments and would have not sunk, or at least would have stayed afloat a lot longer and would have still been afloat when help arrived. The trade off would have been that potentially hundreds of people in the front of the ship would have died in the impact of such a collision, and the officer commanding the ship would have to answer for that. There was no way the commanding officer with seconds to react would order the ship to ram the iceberg, sacrificing the lives of some to save the rest of those on the ship. There just was no realistic opportunity to consider options like that in the seconds of time allowed to react. There was also no time to consider ship engineering outcomes of say 3 compartments breached vs 5 compartments breached, etc. It was all or nothing, he had to try to steer around the iceberg.

@makusmati

11 ай бұрын

@@onemoremisfit considering the passengers were not wearing seat belts, that would have been just as catastrophic..

@stanislavczebinski994

11 ай бұрын

@@onemoremisfit The main point is: We know all these things about the accident because hundreds if not thousands of scientists researched every little detail for more than a century. From the comfort of our arm chairs it's very easy to say they should have done this or they should have done that. If there is one thing they should have done differently - going into a known iceberg area with a vessel this big at 22 knots at calm sea state and therefore hardly detectable icebergs seems to be the second best idea.

@temerityxd8602

2 ай бұрын

@@onemoremisfit Only realistic way the Titanic would have hit the iceberg head on would be if the lookouts had taken longer/failed to spot it and there wasn't enough time to turn away.

I know that their deaths are said to have been instantaneous and painless, but right before it, the fact that they had the time to try some methods of resurfacing means that they had at least some seconds that they knew that something was wrong... and that's a horrifying feeling to imagine.

@oddda5956

11 ай бұрын

It's still better than knowing that something's wrong and then being stuck down there slowly waiting for the oxygen to run out as you feel the pressure of the water on your torso. I'll take an istantaneous painless death over that anytime.

@Art3mis1990

11 ай бұрын

@@oddda5956 definitely!

@BeckVMH

11 ай бұрын

Pure speculation, the first indication of an issue may have been a sound similar to a small rock hitting our auto’s windshield. The ramifications would have been apparent to all.

@Svensk7119

11 ай бұрын

The indications of resurfacing most likely were nothing but false signals sent as the computer link failed. The sub was destroyed, power was lost, and the indicators defaulted/the emergency release activated (there was, I think, something like that) or an emergency system activated anyway, sending enough of a signal to register before the whole thing fell silent.

@mjouwbuis

11 ай бұрын

@@Svensk7119 the undercarriage was separated before the implosion, as far as I understood.

Great video! I gotta add, I was one of the CP-140 pilots, I flew the search over the 96th hour and was leaving the scene as the wreckage was discovered. As an ASW aircraft, acoustics is our bread and butter. We know the difference between biological, background noise, surface vessels, and subsurface sounds. The entire time the “banging” we heard was unlike anything we’ve heard before. It was to a cadence and we located it to a very small area of probability on the sea floor. It seemed to respond when we dropped Mk84 eSUS, or used active to Ping as a mode of communication. This is why we believed they were alive. As more ships arrived on scene, background noise drowned out the banging we heard, but we could still hear it on occasion and easily differentiate noises. The area we triangulated the banging to come from, in part using the echos through a passive sono grid and strategically positioning surface vessels to block certain echos, is where the wreckage was found. At the moment, we don’t know what the banging was, but could have been wreckage tumbling in the strong currents or small implosions from life support equipment as it settled. It’s a tragic ending and all assets on scene really gave it their all. Thanks for making a great video that lays it out nicely.

@Lissbirds

11 ай бұрын

Could it have been possible that they didn't implode when they lost power but were instead still alive and banging on the hull for a few days? And then them banging on the hull caused it to crack and then implode? I'm just wondering how the banging fits into all this. I can't find a source, but other comments have said the emergency ballast was released, meaning they were on their way back up. So I'm wondering if they realized they were lost, tried to ascend, started banging, and the hull cracked as a result of the banging.

@Pilot_405

11 ай бұрын

@@Lissbirds it’s very difficult to speculate, but the US Navy underwater hydrophone picking up the implosion sound around the same time the sub went quiet, sounds like it was all within rapid succession. The automated “ping” the sub had every 15 minutes was an isolated, separate system. So for that to go quiet at the same time as the implosion sound, doesn’t sound like there was any actual human banging. I will say, aircrew had that theory as well, of knocking which compromised the hull, but we don’t believe that any longer. We are still very puzzled by the banging though and hope for answers. As for the release of their emergency weights, we still have to wait for the exact sequence of events to be reported, but we did hear the mothership received a short text they were in an ascent briefly.

@junior1896

11 ай бұрын

Thank you very much for sharing not only information but great insights into the work that was done. Great work.

@paulazemeckis7835

11 ай бұрын

Thank you for your info and most of all thank you for serving. 🇺🇲

@BB_Chaptsick

11 ай бұрын

@@Pilot_405Thank you for your contribution to both your aid in the search, as well as, your information. Intriguing to hear your perspective and thoughts.

I was on a submarine for a few years and this is one of the craziest stories I’ve ever heard. He was basically submerging an RV. Absolutely bonkers.

@matildafaltyn6253

11 ай бұрын

what's an RV?

@jjdixon8563

11 ай бұрын

​@@matildafaltyn6253recreational vehicle

@toomanyaccounts

11 ай бұрын

@@matildafaltyn6253 from online Smithsonian Magazine August 24, 2010 Commemorating 100 Years of the RV For almost as long as there have been automobiles, recreational vehicles have been traversing America "The recreational vehicle turns 100 years old this year. According to the Recreational Vehicle Industry Association, about 8.2 million households now own RVs. They travel for 26 days and an average of 4,500 miles annually, according to a 2005 University of Michigan study. The institute estimates about 450,000 of them are full-time RVers ".

@melbaubarro7643

11 ай бұрын

@@toomanyaccounts 9

@andya857

11 ай бұрын

Beyond Bonkers , I think he was on a suicide mission for glory ..Maybe..😮‍💨

Very informative video, Mike. Although Ocean Gate existed supposedly for science, Rush was still criminally negligent in many areas involving the Titan. He, obviously, had faith in his design but had definitely not reached the point where the Titan had been confirmed safe for others to join the dives.

@AverageAlien

11 ай бұрын

They knew this when they signed up, so I don't see the problem. Their choice, their problem, they knew the risk. Simple as

@cail171

10 ай бұрын

​@AverageAlien no; I do not believe ALL of them knew ALL the corners Stockton cut. If he were alive; guaranteed he'd be charged. He mislead everyone

@jonathanfairchild

10 ай бұрын

@@AverageAlienthey didn’t know fully. At least most of them didn’t you can’t expect a laymen to understand the risks of a new technology. Stockton was a great face man. He made reassurances. There are several known instances of people backing out because they didn’t like the engineering and Stockton trying to fly to them and convince them to do it. I’m sure that most people who signed the waver didn’t have full understand of the true danger. In fact I watched an interview with a guy that had nothing but great things to say about his experience on his oceangate titanic dive. But he did say that if he had any idea of the true risk due to shoddy engineering he would not have gone. Also the who notion that the victims brought this on themselves is a very gross mentality. They’re still people with families and their deaths are tragic.

@AverageAlien

10 ай бұрын

@jonathanfairchild lol if you don't understand the danger of diving to 3000 metres then maybe that's just natural selection calling.

@nameless-user

28 күн бұрын

@@AverageAlienWaivers are null and void if either side engages in relevant criminal activity. Criminal negligence would most certainly kill the waivers.

I am a mechanical engineer that works for a composite pressure vessel manufacturer.. So i have a dog in this race... their testing and design are VERY flawed. No proof? no MEOP? No destructive testing? No cyclic testing? Absolutely insane! Also their boss interface is bad.. Their boss needed to be inter-woven with the composite structure and not just epoxied on and i guarantee they didnt prep that bond surface right with a clean room etching and a water bead test. also they probably didnt do a lap shear bond test on that interface.. It is absolutely insane that ANYONE was enter and submerge in that death trap!

@AH-yk4eb

11 ай бұрын

Its terrible. Not one fail safe item like a pinger, or buoyancy device. Everything is a single point of failure and no backups. Really annoying to see such a bad design. And now people are at risk because of it. A horrible situation.

I'm glad James Cameron said what we were all thinking. The irony of the situation is astounding. This didn't need to happen. Those who don't learn from history, are doomed to repeat it.

@brodriguez11000

11 ай бұрын

The name of the submersible being named "Titan" is ironic in itself.

@xiaoka

11 ай бұрын

He’s absolutely right about carbon fiber. Totally unsuitable for compression. Criminal!

@magpie6126

11 ай бұрын

What I learned from history is that people do not learn from history.

@KarldorisLambley

11 ай бұрын

@@xiaoka you glibly say that as though you were a carbon fibre expert. are you?

@neonnoodle1169

11 ай бұрын

@@KarldorisLambley He's not stating it...he's repeating was James Cameron has stated in about a dozen interviews over the last 48 hours, and he's one of the most knowedgeable submersible experterts on the planet. It's apparant that you're just tuning in.

I'm honestly surprised they found it. Amidst all that wreckage, they were able to locate (at least part of) that tiny submersible. Says a lot for the skill of those involved.

@ShadowDragon8685

11 ай бұрын

It does, but it also helps that they had a _very specific_ destination for exactly where they were _going._ If you know someone is going to a specific place and back again and they become lost in a manner that would probably preclude them being anywhere else but where they fell, your search area is pretty limited.

@peabody3000

11 ай бұрын

in fact they found the parts right around the spot where the vessel would have touched down in a successful dive

@harleyme3163

11 ай бұрын

no skill in humans, they just lied to you and used military grade soner...(which can track a torpedo sized obfject up to a mile away :-\

@segasys1339

11 ай бұрын

@@peabody3000 source?

@peabody3000

11 ай бұрын

@@segasys1339 was widely reported in the news. apparently titanic tour subs like to land off the bow so that it's the first part of the ship that comes into view. they don't land too close though as they don't want to risk accidentally touching down on the ship itself

Important note on SOSUS: The data is not listened to in real time. It is recorded and analyzed by computer or manually at a later time. At the time of Titan's destruction, the Navy did NOT know something had happened - it was only upon directed review that they learned about an *anomaly* in the region of the wreck. This is suggestive, but in no manner is it definitive.

@StLProgressive

11 ай бұрын

I wish the media would make this clearer. I’ve seen so many people already screaming this was some kind of conspiracy by the Navy/Coast Guard to cover it up, lord only knows why they’d do such a thing. It wouldn’t have mattered even if they’d heard it in real time, they had to be sure.

@timax4114

11 ай бұрын

Yes, they reviewed recordings after they learned about missing sub.

Small correction about the comet, it didn't exploded because of the square windows, it didn't had square windows, they were rounded on the corners, the real reason was metal fatigue on the suboptimal aluminum alloy it was used, it wasn't good enough to withstand the pressure on the new altitudes it was supposed to go, also the rivets left microscopic cracks that eventually made the structure to be torn apart, and unlike modern aircraft, instead of tearing apart the skin and keep flying, it just couldn't hold on the structure and the plane broke apart almost instantly.

@Papinak2

11 ай бұрын

Also, IIRC, they didn't test the entire hull, but only parts for cyclic fatigue and the number of tests was too small to properly assess the number of cycles the hull could withstand. Which is actually quite close to what happened with Titan.

@roverenderalligator9104

11 ай бұрын

Turns out that the Nimrod is basically a military version of the Comet with the faults ironed out & was in service for many years after the demise of the commercial version.

@nathantuff8814

10 ай бұрын

Thank you, I came to the comments to add the same correction. The square windows, had they actually been squares, would of course have acted exactly as Mike described.

@robertfolkner9253

8 ай бұрын

On top of the airframe, directly over the flight engineer’s station, were two small, square windows. These were used in conjunction with the radio equipment, guaranteeing good signals. They were supposed to be glued-in, but instead they were punch riveted, forming tiny cracks. After so many flights these cracks expanded and grew down the hull to the windows. It was at this point that failure occurred. Also, the aluminum used in the airframe was the thickness of two pennies.

@emty9668

5 ай бұрын

They took a Comet Aircraft hull, placed it in a tank of water then filled the hull with water to what the pressurised hull would be. They then cycled this to represent take offs and landings. They also recovered a lot of one of the aircraft from the Mediterranean seabed and rebuilt it around a frame in a hanger. The hull that was being pressurised failed unexpectedly and suddenly. A crack emanated from the corner of a window. Airframe fatigue was a new science at the time and a lot of this was unknown. When the Comet 2 was put into operation the windows were small and rounded. The RAF Nimrod was a variation of this aircraft and flew successfully until 2011 and then retired. There were a couple of airframe losses, one over Afghanistan unrelated to the original problem.

7:45 there's a huge difference between using a wired controller of good quality to operate some specific equipment and using a bluetooth controller infamous for its clumsy performance to operate the entire thing. The philosophy was not "simplicity", it was "let's just cut any possibile corner because I'm smarter than anyone else".

@LongdownConker

11 ай бұрын

Exactly!

@roverenderalligator9104

11 ай бұрын

I can't imagine why they thought a Bluetooth connection was the way to go. What on earth was the point?

@jonjones3958

11 ай бұрын

The controller had absolutely nothing to do with this disaster.

@gailmcn

11 ай бұрын

@@jonjones3958 No one knows what went wrong just before the implosion. The controller is just one of many-MANY- bad choices on this submersible.

@mitsuki1388

11 ай бұрын

The controller is fine too as long as you, you know, at least has some more reliable redundancy.

Now this is how a video about the Titan incident should be done. Thank you for remaining respectful.

@kostakole9876

11 ай бұрын

Yeah, I'm sick of people mocking those involved and making jokes when the mortality of 5 people is in question.

@Gingerchalky

11 ай бұрын

100% agree. Best video about the incident I have seen. RIP to the 5 people onboard the Titan 😔

@FJBrandon

11 ай бұрын

I wanna hear some type of audio from their last moments like the stuff they have when airplanes crash maybe something that will float up to the surface

@forallthestupidshit3550

11 ай бұрын

​@@FJBrandonthe difference is that planes have blackboxes by law. These spoiled and reckless "innovators" were too cool for a blackbox or transponder, so we'll never know a lot of things.

@bufflikejesus3268

11 ай бұрын

​@forallthestupidshit3550 how do you make a black box that can survive 6000 pounds per square inch.

I didn’t go hiking in Iceland without a locator beacon. The idea that they did this without an EPIRB is crazy to me.

I respect your take on this, there is some good info here, like explaining how the power conservation makes sense because of the long descent times, but I also can't help but think (and I do understand why) you have some rose-colored glasses on right now too. There's a lot of information that's come out showing how negligent and deceptive the company was about the construction and operation of the sub.

If he was a science enthusiast, WHY didn't Dawood not realize that carbon fiber only supports EXPANSION force by stretching, like gas tanks, and is FAR weaker under compression. It was just stupid to use an open compound structure that can delaminate when water enters the layers under high pressure.

@gamerd9271

11 ай бұрын

really good info

@starrynyte158

11 ай бұрын

Thank you👏👏

@donbrecker8982

11 ай бұрын

Great simple explanation, wonder if dagwood knew that ?????

@ann5028

11 ай бұрын

One of the other passengers, Hamish, was extremely experienced in submersible exploration and extreme adventure. Very shocking no questions were asked.

@methylene5

11 ай бұрын

He knew that carbon fibre is weak under compressive loading, everyone knows that. So many experts in the comments by people who don't really understand the facts. Simple pre-dive hull scan ($20,000 but still affordable), thicker hull and we wouldn't even be having this conversation. The Titan which can carry 5, cost $370,00 or about 1% of a metal hulled sub that can only carry two at $37 million.

There is literally hundreds of times more information within this video then I found in aggregate of all the news sources I read and viewed. I have no idea how you are able to write the script, collect the visuals, and produce the drawings you did, but the effort is nothing short of amazing. Given the speed with which you accomplished it is something I could have expected only from the staff the size of the largest news organizations. But they didn't do it, you did. A phenomenal achievement!

@yakacm

11 ай бұрын

That's hardly surprising really. Folk who watch Mike have an interest in the maritime events, as does Mike. Opposed to news outlets who cater to the general public, who have no interest in details, and the news outlets have no interest in proving them. It's a sad reflection thou.

@batman1169

11 ай бұрын

The fact that it was know it was to implode on monday and news dragged it out to cover whats happening to the Biden's is actually hilarious. Fake new is real. See what James Cameron knew.

@isleofthanet

11 ай бұрын

@@_5_675 So enlighten us!

@knitwit7082

11 ай бұрын

@@_5_675 GLUED ON? WITH WHAT, SUPER GLUE? Only asking because something clearly did not hold. The window bothered me too. I know zip about underwater craft, but anyone should know the porthole glass should have been rated for 13000 ft, not 1300 ft.

@oriontaylor

11 ай бұрын

@@knitwit7082There’s video a few years old online showing how Titan was constructed, where you can see how an adhesive was applied to attach the end caps to the carbon fibre cylinder. I don’t believe the specific type of adhesive glue has been mentioned yet.

Unfortunately I don’t think this company made it clear to their passengers that this was a very experimental, unproven sub. I read their brochure about the Titanic mission for prospective crew members (before it was taken down) and there’s not much in there about how risky it is. Before all of this happened I had watched some of their Titanic videos but had no idea it was such a poorly designed vessel. Thanks for this informative video!

@gailmcn

11 ай бұрын

@stephernoodle. so far all the interviewed passengers have verified that Rush made it clear to them that this was an experimental vessel. What he did was make that a 'reason' for why they could ignore that it was an uncertified, unclassified vessel (can't be certified yet, too innovative). He also used it as an emotional hook for his targets, which were of two main types: Prospective paying passengers who were attracted to unusual and risky adventures. Also, prospective discount/sponsored passengers who had huge media/KZread followings, who could be depended on to provide free publicity to millions for Oceangate Titan. He did this by connecting 'experimental' with "ahead of the pack", nobody else is doing this, "you'll actually be Crew participating in groundbreaking science", etc. A Supersalesman is what he was, who was basically making a bug appear to be a feature.

@dogood1785

11 ай бұрын

He may have informed them that the vessel was experimental, but I highly doubt that he disclosed "all" the problems that the Titan had to "paying/potential" customers ("mission specialists"), and just how cheap and experimental the vehicle really was. Did they fully know and understand all the issues with that submersible, such as thrusters and computer/control systems problems they were having just days prior to Mission V, which he stated, was like "life support"? Were all the problems fully resolved, considering they had to sign waivers? It was his responsibility to fully disclose everything, as they had to sign waivers -- speaking in terms of the paying customers, not the guest, because I believe, PH fully knew what was going on. Honestly, Rush was not a "supersalesman," but an extremely dangerous and delusional man, who double talked (a liar/deceiver). He went on record saying, "safety is pure waste," but apparently, he made those people feel the vessel was safe to some degree. According to a news source, the wife of the Pakistani billionaire reported, SR and his wife flew to London and met with them some months prior to Mission V, where he discussed the mission and reassured them the Titan was safe.

@gailmcn

11 ай бұрын

@@dogood1785 I'm commenting based on what Rush is generally known to have done, not what he "should have", or "might have". Of course he wouldn't have disclosed every problem! Apparently you think calling him a Supersalesman is a positive.....it's not. Clearly he sold a lot of otherwise intelligent, successful people on his inept, bad venture. And that's all he was expert at: sales. Not engineering, Deep Sea diving, or even building a successful company.

This is the first time ive ever heard a modern sonar ping. I never realized how loud they actually are. Great video Mike, and thank you for covering this subject.

@jenniferhiemstra5228

10 ай бұрын

I swear, that thing made me jump out of my chair! It’s like when your smoke detector goes off but has multiple tones and frequencies, dear lord that’s ear piercing!

@mikoto7693

6 ай бұрын

Also my first time of hearing a modern sonar ping. I had no idea it was so loud. It certainly disturbed my cats! They didn’t like it.

@Backdaft94

5 ай бұрын

Modern sonar can severely injure divers if it is too close to them. Modern sonar gets recorded all the time by recreational scuba divers in the Bahamas, there are recordings of it on YT.

@m3redgt

5 ай бұрын

​​​​​​@@mikoto7693they are much much MUCH louder even than heard here. The ship firing these probably was a couple dozen kilometers away at least + these were already bounced off indirect waves since even 100km away a direct hit would kill you. If you can actually see the ship that's sonaring you.. you're permanently deaf immediately and you'll suffer severe nausea and disorientation.. any closer and the soundpressure will even kill you by rupturing your lungs and blood vessels in your brain. Sound is measured in decibels which is a logarhytmic function. Means for each 10dB more the sound is 10 times as powerful. Jet fighters are about 140dB. The most powerful active sonar boasts 230dB. You can do the math from here.

The idea that this company was primarily interested in the scientific aspects of diving on the Titanic and allowing paying passengers to go along was secondary is ridiculous. This company was in it for the money and cut corners sacrificing the safety issues to improve their bottom line.

@ILYxIW

11 ай бұрын

What money? It was NOT profitable, they spent a million dollars in diesel fuel just hauling the submersible out there and back, that’s why they charged $250k per person, it was simply to recoup losses.

@Copypastedates

11 ай бұрын

They shoulda charged $1mil per passenger and actually built a quality product. Or don’t do business

@moralslinky

11 ай бұрын

Yes, I might’ve missed something, but…I don’t really see where they contributed any scientific knowledge or research. It’s what they said they wanted to do, sure, and they recorded video footage, yes. But how exactly did that require many millions of dollars from tourists, or any passengers at all? And what did that video footage ultimately provide to our scientific knowledge, besides cool video footage? We’ve known for a long time that the Titanic would decay. And if they were interested in science, why forgo the scientific principles of adequate testing and proven safety methods in building the submarine? If anyone has refutations to my questions, I welcome them, I know that there’s a lot I don’t know.

@thebeaz1

11 ай бұрын

You can't possibly know that.

@TitusTiddies

11 ай бұрын

@@thebeaz1We literally can. It’s a fact that is clearly demonstrated by all of the design choices made by Ocean Gate’s leadership, and even more clearly by the results of those choices. This isn’t complicated: a clout-hungry libertarian wanted fame and wealth, and what he got was infamy and blood on his hands.

I appreciate as always Mike's brilliant presentation, but just from the info that has been publicly available and finally coming more to light, it's already very safe to add that Stockton Rush was beyond reckless and negligent. He was the boss of the operation from top to bottom, and was the only person with the authority to fully question things, an authority which he regularly abdicated. People make a fuss about the game controller, but that was possibly the most reliable component of the whole system, being a widely proven and dependable item. To ferry people to Titanic though, he used a highly unproven experimental and novel construction. The titanium caps were essentially glued with epoxy to the carbon fiber composite hull, and rather than the adhesives being applied in clean room conditions, they were done in an open air building by people in street clothes. Due to their design, the seams formed by the epoxy-joined composite and titanium segments would have been impossible to scan for damage even had Stockton Rush ever wanted to. Moreover, experts in carbon fiber such as advanced bicycle part engineers have fully known for years that carbon fiber composites degrade progressively with use under stress, can fail catastrophically at the worst possible moments, and that even with careful examination may only be known to be at risk only after they have already failed. Every one of the many cracks heard by passengers, as reported on earlier trips, was damage, accruing incrementally over time. Stockton Rush was not going to retire Titan any time soon, could never have detected its growing faults, and reacted bitterly to experts suggesting that he was putting lives in danger. So, Titan's eventual destruction was all but guaranteed. I don't expect any pieces of the composite hull or the bodies to ever be found; the immense pressure and energy of an implosion occurring at hundreds of atmospheres of pressure is hard to comprehend, but it would literally be over in milliseconds, superheating the air inside momentarily and turning the entire hull and its contents into small particles before the unfortunate occupants could even register the collapse. Stockton Rush made claims about NASA, Boeing, and the University of Washington being involved with the sub's engineering, which are now known to be greatly overstated. His victims, yes I say HIS victims, may have been considered crew members rather than tourists, but I struggle to see how a Pakistani billionaire father and his unwilling teenage son, whom he had to heavily coerce to overcome his initial refusal to join him, can be considered anything but unwitting clients, being given so many false assurances after paying hundreds of thousands of dollars.

@SmartStart24

11 ай бұрын

You are 100% on point. Totally hubristic and negligent. A modern Icarus (of the Ocean). But at least Icarus only took himself out, Rush took 4 other lives with him in his folly. I feel so so terrible for Suleman the teenaged boy. When I heard how they died I cried for hours thinking about him in his final moments, and the pain his mother and sister must be going through. Ugh. Just terrible. May they rest in peace.

@samanthawong7857

11 ай бұрын

Very well-written

@yoowan3437

11 ай бұрын

People want a video without the bias and noise. Mike provided that. This comment is more of that noise and opinion he mentioned in the introduction.

@peabody3000

11 ай бұрын

@@yoowan3437 You are incorrect and probably didn't even read or comprehend my comments. Mike is advising against spreading rumors. I am commenting on things that are known to be factual. With due respect to Mike, he was not yet aware that Titan's hull was glued together with epoxy. Perhaps he was not yet aware that the viewport wasn't rated for anywhere near Titanic's depth. He along with everyone else wants to know what went wrong.

@ShadowDragon8685

11 ай бұрын

Paragraphs, man, please use your return key! That having been said, I actually will take issue with the game controller. Not "because it's a game controller," but because: 1. The use of a _wireless_ controller introduces two additional, _unnecessary_ points-of-failure to a mission-critical component, that being power supply and wireless connectivity, when wired controllers work just fine and have neither problem; 2. Did they have a backup? The Navy uses the damn things because they're cheap, ergonomically tested far better than anything they ever could do, and you can send a sailor out with a rented van and a "company" card and return with a hundred of the things new-in-box in an hour and a half. So if the one they're using then breaks, they just toss it in the trash and pull out another one. Did Rush have a spare aboard? Probably not, knowing him.

The material choice of carbon fibre over a proven metal pressure vessel baffles me. Everything I'm learning about this disaster just makes me wonder how Titan was ever meant to reach the depths of Titanic without risking failure

@ShadowDragon8685

11 ай бұрын

Probably a combination of hubris and "oh, engineers _always_ build in a huge margin of unnecessary safety so they don't get sued." The use of a carbon-fiber pressure vessel may not _inherently_ be a fatal objection, but at the bare minimum it needed to be _thicker._ Five inches sounds like a lot, and if you're making an aeroplane to fly up high in the sky, or a racing car or whip around the track at Le Mans, it's insane. At 3,800m of North Atlantic, it's insanely thin.

@irieite9666

11 ай бұрын

Because with Titanium it would only fit 1 or 2 passengers. They wanted more. Its a story of a company in red and continuing to lose money cutting corners to try and squeeze a profit.

@methylene5

11 ай бұрын

The Titan cost around $370,000. For a metal hull that can only carry two people, will set you back $37 million. 100 times the cost. The carbon fibre hull should have been thicker, and even at 5" thickness it had completed 13 prior successful trips to the Titanic. It's a no brainer why they were tempted to use carbon fibre.

@quietcosmos.

11 ай бұрын

But it did reach the bottom 13 times before it failed. This is a tragedy, but it is also showed us that carbon fiber CAN withstand the crushing weight of those depths if it’s done right and inspected often.

@simplysteph_

11 ай бұрын

​@@quietcosmos.it didn't reach the bottom 13 times... this was "mission" 5 with a "crew" and the others were test dives and not all of those were successful

that sonar sound made my cat SO UPSET. jumped off the couch and has been looking around in confusion with wide eyes for the past 5 minutes.... never seen him react like that to any noise lmao

For a company doing “scientific research” as you claim, they didn’t seem to follow any scientific method to design their deathtrap submarine.

@loladanger

11 ай бұрын

Exactly. And if the technology wasn’t perfected, civilians shouldn’t be allowed to buy tourist packages.

@brentaltm

11 ай бұрын

Exactly! With the exception of PH, I find it laughable to call them a group of scientists. Sometimes in an attempt to be diplomatic you paint two sides as equally valid viewpoints, and that’s a mistake.

@rocketamadeus3730

11 ай бұрын

From what I gather the safety compromises weren't *NOT* to cater to the tourism angle, and it's hard to get past the general shoddiness. Could they not have made a smaller and more traditional design that would just accommodate less passengers?

@doofus5152

11 ай бұрын

If I were a bored jillionaire with more money than wisdom, I'd probably have bought Rush's snake oil, too... I feel so bad for their loved ones

@nukamolly

11 ай бұрын

like what science were they even studying? chemistry? geology? biology? what equipment did they have aboard to conduct the research they were supposedly carrying out?

I still can't believe nor comprehend Stockton Rush's UTTER RECKLESSNESS. EVERY SAFETY CONCERN voiced to him he brushed off. He had ZERO BUSINESS being at the depth of 12,500 feet where the Titanic has sat since 1912. If I was going on a sub, I would WANT TO BE with James Cameron or Bob Ballard. Their KNOWLEDGE WOULD KEEP YOU SAFE & ALIVE. This just simply SHOULD NOT HAVE HAPPENED. The 19 year old male onboard with his Dad was "Terrified" about the excursion. Such a shame.

Good video, with a lot of useful information. I want to comment on Carbon Fiber as a material. Carbon Fiber is one of the strongest materials known. It's commonly used in aviation for the pressure hulls and fairings. However, it is a FIBER... a THREAD... When you pull on it, it's incredibly strong. But when you push on it... Well, take a length of dental floss and pull on it. Then push the two ends together. That gives you an idea for how Carbon Fiber works. Make a bottle of carbon fiber and fill it with something and it can withstand massive amounts of internal pressure. However, that same bottle can be crushed with a fraction of that from outside. Using carbon fiber to make a submarine was a very strange decision.

@globalcitizenn

11 ай бұрын

Stockton was an aerospace engineer who forte was making aircraft where carbon fibre is used for pressure hulls as you said. Maybe he just didn’t have enough deep ocean engineering knowledge and didn’t listen to the experts

@pradnyachoukekar

11 ай бұрын

thank you for dumbing it down

“OceanGate is a legitimate scientific research organization.” *cut to interview with the “designers”* “yeah we got this from uh…. Camper World.”

What he says here isn’t true is actually exactly true lol. The ppl who paid to go onboard were designated a scientific sounding role but were really passengers. You can see from everything coming out now that this man was surfing on the edge of reason. He wanted to be a pioneer (in his design), and refused regulatory testing due to this, it literally blew into his face. And he has helped prove the reason that regulation and testing exists.

@rattymenace

11 ай бұрын

Rules and regulations are written in blood. It's baffling that someone venturing to a hostile environment would ignore the regulations and forgo certification...

Thank you. Speaking as a naval architect, this has actually been probably the single best-done video on this accident. You’re clear, concise, and level-headed, and you’re actually knowledgeable about this type of thing.

@Gubastek

11 ай бұрын

No he's not - he didn't even bother learning about how they attached the titanium to carbon fiber, and he makes other asinine assumptions which lead to conclusions such as that this was a scientific expedition instead of a commercial venture for rich tourists.

@t.w.7731

11 ай бұрын

"Actually knowledgeable about this type of thing"...uhh. What?? He has zero experience in engineering and applied sciences. He's just a dumb youtuber who watched the movie Titanic and became a fan boy. Get lost.

@timothyadcock5103

11 ай бұрын

Yes, good, even handed explanation.

@Hensepens64

11 ай бұрын

​​​​@@Gubastekhe is. When you listen carefully he says the used this kind of dives to fund other dives which were more scientific. And why he didn't mention the issue of attachment of titanium to carbon fire? Because that would be speculating from his 🔚.

@mallk238

11 ай бұрын

And who are you to say such things? So far both the guy you’re responding to and the guy who made the video have made their own credentials known. To the outside you look like a commentor who’s arguing baseless information they heard elsewhere with no sources to back it up

I would like to commemorate you for how professional and respectful you were when talking in this video. I always enjoy your content! ❤

Mike, as a long-time silent viewer, I have to say I really admire your poise and the amount of respect you have shown towards this tragic event.

I’m an aerospace engineer and what really bothers me is Stockton Rush’s bragging that he didn’t “follow the rules”. The design and materials were already bad enough, but they didn’t even conduct any NDT (non destructive testing) on the hull. Things like fluorescent particle inspection (FPI) to detect surface defects such as linear indications (small cracks) or CT scanning to detect any internal voids. This is so irresponsible and quite frankly criminal!

@chrisr2507

11 ай бұрын

Not to mention he said in an interview that he didn’t want to hire subject matter experts who he said were “old white men”, but instead hired based on diversity.

@rattymenace

11 ай бұрын

​@@chrisr2507I don't think the hiring was driven by 'diversity'. Younger staff are cheaper, and might be more eager to say 'yes'. SR himself was an old white man.

@wedrivebynight

11 ай бұрын

What blew my mind was he stated that any safety checks and approaches that were being taken were those concerning your field, aerospace, and not safety approaches that were typically used in ocean traversal. I was just thinking “but you’re not flying, you’re going into the ocean and should prepare for that”. What sort of logic is that?!

@MrRjh63

11 ай бұрын

@@wedrivebynight He was a daredevil who thought he could mess with an feature of the earth that has been killing fools and the well prepared alike since man first built ship.

@Ultimaton100

11 ай бұрын

@@chrisr2507 More than half the crew involved in the expedition were white men, just an FYI. This “diversity” narrative doesn’t pan out under scrutiny.

The possibility that they heard or felt the bulkhead failing for seconds or minutes is terrifying. Even if they never knew it happened, they knew it was going to happen.

@vibratingstring

11 ай бұрын

There's no bulkhead in this sub.

@Kohi_L

11 ай бұрын

@@TeddyBroakiscariest thing about life unfortunately.

@marilynsgirl01

11 ай бұрын

Thinking of that nineteen year old who didn’t even want to be there I hoped fervently that he never knew a thing. But given that they tried to drop ballast…I fear he had time to be afraid.

@SmartStart24

11 ай бұрын

This is what I didn’t want to hear. I know death is a part of life but I hate the thought of people experiencing fear, terror and helplessness…. 😔

@tristanholland6445

11 ай бұрын

​@@SmartStart24don't read about the USS Thresher that submarine was lost during a crash dive test in 1963. An entire submarine crew lost when it sank past crush depth. They probably did not have much time for fear because they were professional submariners and were trying everything they could to regain control of the sub of course they did know that they were in severe danger.

Oh wow, the video of the sonar with the divers was really cool. Hearing it travel away from them really gives a better understanding of how that works.

Omg I've been obsessed with your channel for a few weeks now and then THIS happens. I was really hoping we'd get a video from you on the situation. You're probably one of my favorite creators now!

A lot of the talk around OceanGate and Stockton Rush is pretty damning. His refusal to get third party certification on an experimental submersible AND take tourist on board is simply inexcusable. Stockton Rush has said in interviews he believes certifications would slow down progress and stifle innovation. The real kicker, though, is he claimed all these certifications were overkill because almost all issues experienced in deep sea submersible vehicles were human errors during operation, a fact which only serves to prove how essential and effective these testing methods are. He even refused an ultrasonic hull integrity test to find any imperceptible stress damage to the carbon composite material, which was the likely the cause of this tragedy.

@Karl-mw5li

11 ай бұрын

Agreed - yet instead he went with a more expensive, entirely pointless 'safety' system. "He even refused an ultrasonic hull integrity test to find any imperceptible stress damage to the carbon composite material, which was the likely the cause of this tragedy." - even more bafflingly, he installed a sonic/strain-gauge based hull monitoring system to the submersible... which would give essentially zero warning and would only tell you once the damage has already happened. It's like fitting a smoke alarm that can only work once your entire house is on fire. Having it tested like you say would have potentially highlighted issues ahead of time.

@ShadowDragon8685

11 ай бұрын

Not necessarily. The hull was quite simply too _thin_ for the job. A vehicle can pass every imaginable certification and then catastrophically fail when put to a purpose its design is inadequate for. Even the legendarily indestructible Toyota Hilux pickup truck, after all, is only used as a vehicle in warfare by the desperate.

@methylene5

11 ай бұрын

Everyone keeps saying the same thing, but it would never be certified, even if it were 100% safe because the technology is new and there are unknowns. Simple as.

@jasper3706

11 ай бұрын

​@@methylene5None of the technology is new. The only innovations made were methods of cutting corners. And even if this were the case, that would only mean that the technology wasn't ready to be used for this application at all and shouldn't be used. If you were told you were getting into an experimental aircraft and "it's so new that they can't figure out how to safety test it," would you really, logically, decide to get on it?

EDIT JUNE 26: Hijacking this top comment to answer to claims that I am being an OceanGate "apologist". I'm sorry if my intention wasn't clear on this video; I am in no way affiliated with the organisation nor commenting on whether it was right or wrong to use this submersible. I only mentioned OceanGate's MISSION STATEMENT and pointing out that, at their core, OceanGate is an organisation with a scientific purpose with many operations not just related to Titanic dives. For Titanic specifically their science missions did the following; - Film Titanic in high definition from many angles to track deterioration and try to capture, on camera and in high definition, undersea organisms - Take water samples and use DNA analysis to identify organisms and try to match this with the footage taken from that specific dive Whether this is correct scientific method is beyond me; I just wanted to point out that OceanGate, the entire company, is not a sightseeing organisation as a whole based the above information. What is clear is that their business model then relied on public backers to keep these missions going and that those backers were given the opportunity to join the dives as assistants. Whether this is a pure "tourist" operation is open to interpretation by the viewer - I think it is a part of the business model but not the entire thing. I have not made any comment on whether the methodology or design doctrine was right or wrong - I have merely outlined what that design doctrine was. A CORRECTION: In referring to Titan’s wall thickness I mentioned 7” when I actually meant to say 5”, 127mm. Apologies for this misspeak! ANOTHER CORRECTION: Some of you have pointed out that my De Havilland Comet metaphor is based on outdated information. Thanks for this and I will read more into it, but suffice it to say the original point still stands - that a spherical structure or a round structure does a better job at distributing stresses evenly throughout the structure.

@ViperGamings

11 ай бұрын

My prayers condolences go out to them, their families, their friends, loved ones. 😢@Oceanliner Designs thanks for the video very informative.

@Endermanrule

11 ай бұрын

​@@ViperGamingsfr

@forallthestupidshit3550

11 ай бұрын

What a fantastic channel! I subscribed today : )

@HemiChrysler

11 ай бұрын

​@@ViperGamingsWhy, do you think that prayer is functional ?

@N8N-Soccer

11 ай бұрын

@OceanlinerDesigns, at the beginning of the video you say creating a vessel like Titan is not about tourism but about research & exploration. But then many have said there is no need for humans to do this anymore since ROVs can do a better job and more safely. Also if not for the aim of facilitating tourists, the design compromises would not have been made.

Interesting explanation of the methods used. I spent 23 years in the US Navy, many of those with the ASW Community and spent many hours flying in the Great P-3 Orion. The P-3C can find you underwater using a number of methods, not the least of which are sonobouy’s and the MAD Boom (Magnetic Anomaly Detection). I was friends with many of the Technicians who operated this equipment, and believe me they are a talented group. Just ask any Soviet Navy Submarine Skipper who was chased by them. 😊Enjoyed your presentation, thanks!

Respect for including the migrant boat tragedy which has been shamefully seemingly forgotten by the media

I didn't know your channel existed prior to this tragedy. That being being said, i couldn't be more impressed with your knowledge, content, and story storytelling. Keep up the great work!

@Jay-gf8tm

11 ай бұрын

He makes some of the best content for those of us in the Titanic/ocean liner community. You will learn a lot from him, I've researched all the old steamers since i was a kid, and I still learn more details from him.

@tinypoolmodelshipyard

11 ай бұрын

​@@Jay-gf8tmsame

@tinypoolmodelshipyard

11 ай бұрын

​@Jay-gf8tm was going to type something out but you said it all. Ive fancied myself a boat/ocean liner/naval nerd since i was 8 years old. Mike still teaches me things about things ive researched in the past. For me hes the GOAT of what they call the 'boat people" aka the Titanic community

@Mitch-zr4wb

11 ай бұрын

@@tinypoolmodelshipyard I look at a lot of younger people who seem to be very misguided. It's refreshing to see someone who's young and so concise and knowledge about a subject. Just very impressed.

@sifridbassoon

11 ай бұрын

You could easily spend a couple of weeks just watching (and rewatching) all his videos. Amazing stuff. Titanic: Honor and Glory is also a great channel, but they focus more on interiors and reproductions and the actual Titanic sinking. Oceandesigns is much more wide ranging.

Mike, a quick note on how the titanium rings were attached: they were bonded using an epoxy (in layman's terms--they were glued together). It is concerning that this was done in a warehouse (as seen in your video). Any dust or particulates could have gotten in and created a potential source of weakness in the epoxy. In addition to the many other shortcomings of this design, the building practices also fell short. Given the tolerances involved, this step should have been performed in a controlled clean room.

@naurrr

11 ай бұрын

WHAT ON EARTH??? that's one of the worst design decisions I've seen so far about the Titan. horribly negligent doesn't even begin to cover it.

@exasperated

11 ай бұрын

So the joins were made of three different materials (cf, epoxy, titanium)? Wouldn't at least one of the three behave differently at the various pressures and temperatures the machine experienced?

@mdavid2822

11 ай бұрын

@@exasperated you have four total materials in this join: titanium, epoxy, and the cf (which is a composite of carbon fiber and another epoxy). You have two epoxies, a non-metallic composite material, and a metal.

@lawrencegenereux8567

11 ай бұрын

​@@exasperatedWhen I initially viewed the video of the sub's end cap to carbon fibre tube joining process, I saw the handwriting on the wall. Critical processes were being done under contaminated conditions, epoxy was applied using a paint brush with no control of the amount or precise location, the physical joining of the elements was done using no stable alignment mechanism (a k.a. the "we got lucky this time" process control system) that leads to momentary canting of the end caps as they are inserted into the tube (causing irregular distribution of the epoxy in the interface area.) These potentially seriously degraded bonds are then subjected in use to the effect of the greatly differing coefficients of thermal expansion between the carbon fibre tube and the titanium end caps when the sub cools at depth in frigid ocean water. All of the preceding could have easily contributed to a separation of the thermally shrunken end caps' OD's from the tube ID's, creating stresses at depth that the carbon fibre tube ends could not withstand. Even the smallest crack or delamination in the tube would have led to the total failure of the tube at depth. The science of what I wrote is sound. It may not have been the cause of the catastrophic failure; but in my gut, I have to believe it almost certainly was.

@francomaccio6802

11 ай бұрын

@@exasperated sarei andato sul sicuro, progetto al di sopra di ogni sospetto, la sfera del Trieste è ancora visitabile, 12 cm di acciaio temperato, ha portato un uomo sul fondo della fossa delle marianne.

The de Havilland Comet was caused by a punched Rivet near the crew escape hatch. The punching of the rivets instead of drilling caused microfractures witch led to metal fatigue caused by pressurization cycles. When the failure occurred the crack followed the window line from the crew escape hatch. Windows were not the cause but effect.

@AverageAlien

11 ай бұрын

Plus thin fuselage

The "finding it" half of this video was most interesting to me. I've seen other people go over the follies of the company, the sub's design, and the CEO in greater detail, but there's been a blank spot in my understanding on how they actually found it. Thanks for making this. I'd be interested to know if they'd have been able to find it and raise it in time if the implosion hadn't occurred and the crew was, as the average person initially imagined, just sitting down there slowly losing air.

Technical info is good here. It’s just odd to be so deferential to OceanGate and Rush’s intentions. There are now public records that demonstrate the gaping negligence of this company at nearly every level. Whatever “scientific” goals this company had, their broader aim was to sell this uncertified technology to other companies, and they were using unwitting civilians whom they got to sign waivers without even knowing about the actual risks that real experts had made clear. If there were a buyer, they would have happily sold this technology to other companies also willing to cut corners and put their workers at risk. At least now the chances of that happening are next to zero. Just unfortunate that people had to pay that price with their lives.

@user-no2vr8mv1q

11 ай бұрын

That still remains to be seen imo. As i understand it, oceangate has closed and started liquidating it's assets which would include its sub tech. Lets hope this unsafe tech doesn't claim any more lives. Buyer beware, the ocean isn't a safe place if your craft essentially consists of a carbonfiber toilet paper tube with 2 titanium domes j.b. welded to the ends.

@emikomina

11 ай бұрын

what do u expect this guy is a titanic fanboy, his entire channel is dedicated to ocean liners like the titanic. he wanted to one day visit the real titanic himself for sure, and now his dream is crushed because titanic tourism is dead

@danieljaymeshansel5086

11 ай бұрын

I agree! Since I first watched this video I have the feeling he’s either being paid or is still charmed from the photos and videos Oceangate took

@xSniper1982

11 ай бұрын

@@emikomina That's a rather harsh thing to say. This, admittedly, is my first time looking at this channels content, and he didn't come accross as a 'Fanboy' at all. I heard specific, seemingly factual, information about what we know up to this point in regard to what happened. The information about OceanGate itself was simply the information that OceanGate themselves had filed. If a company files paperwork stating that their primary goal is A, and that B may occur to gather funds. Then reporting that that is what they had filed is factual. Regardless of whether or not this person has an interest, in one day being a deep sea tourist, has no bearing on the information they have provided. I didn't hear him saying that mistakes were not made, he only provided information, and specifically stated that it was too early to place blame. I found this quite informational, and it helped educate me on things about the tradgedy that I wasn't completely read up on. And, from what I can see, THAT was the entire point of this video.

@MisterRawgers

11 ай бұрын

This dude is definitely biased lol

It is truly tragic that P.H. Nargeolet passed away in this easily avoidable tragedy. He was one of the most prolific explorer's to the titanic, and I wouldn't know nearly as much as I do without his efforts

@j0nnyism

11 ай бұрын

The greatest tragedy is the death of a 19 year old. At least the other men had lived over half their lives. He had barely begun. Utterly tragic

@Galworld761

11 ай бұрын

@nomenclature9607Nargeolet was a titanic expert. He was the head of a Titanic research org. He is on video expressing concern about the design. He may have been tempted to go down to gather info and talked himself into the risk. I still think the 19 year old is the saddest. Life is just beginning.

@NotVeryGudGamer

11 ай бұрын

@nomenclature9607wasn’t a poor choice. They just didn’t test it at all plus things that go through a shit ton of pressure and the a little bit of pressure over and over again get weaker every time. That’s why they retire aircraft’s because instead of just fox them And use them again

@realfingertrouble

11 ай бұрын

@nomenclature9607 the kid actually didn't want to go, and unlike the others, him and his father weren't explorers or experts. I suspect like Jay Bloom's son, he maybe did research and found the issues, or maybe not....but felt he had to go cos it was Father's day. I feel truly sad for him and his father, they had little idea of what they were getting into cos Stockton was claiming it was safer than driving a car.

I can't help comparing how the general public focused so much on the Oceangate Titan, whose owner basically was charging rich people to put them in mortal danger while posing as an "innovator" (he was anything but an innovator; he was an insult to all engineers who ever existed, exist, and shall exist), while it turned a blind eye to the refugee vessel's wreck and the policies and events that led to its sinking.

Fascinating information and so well delivered with tact, diplomacy & empathy. I have been captivated by the whole story (as I was about the Titanic). It was a sad ending for all involved.

The anger I have about this incident, is that the Titan should NEVER have been uncertified and have “customers” onboard. Especially when you are going to invite 19 year olds onto your Experiment ☹️

@nomorenames7323

11 ай бұрын

Who cares? The 19 year old was going to grow up too rich to learn empathy. He was going to inherit his father’s earth-destroying chemical industries, and no doubt continue down his father’s path. They all deserved what was coming to them.

@GLoLChibs

11 ай бұрын

People need to quit infantilizing the guy. 18 and 19y/os die everyday doing less risky things and equally risky activities and jobs that they and others in their lives deem safe.

@keithsinter5611

11 ай бұрын

@@nomorenames7323 I asume your lacking empathy for the needlessly deceased comes from the millions on your bank account? Or are you just a regular wanker on the internet?

@kass_G59

11 ай бұрын

🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡^^^

@miracula7782

11 ай бұрын

Not to forget that you're a legal adult with 19, in just about every single country there is on this planet. Theres no difference in a 19 year old and a 50 year old signing a waiver saying they know of the risk of sudden death.

I think its fair to say this company was funded by an egomaniac who completely ignored experts opinions. "Scientific"doesn't count as a defense if you don't do decent research about acceptable practices. there are many subs that can safely dive. He chose to take unreasonable risks unnecessarily. He was warned, and now an innocent 19 year old tragically lost their life.

@JTScott1988

11 ай бұрын

Oh he did the research. There’s a video of his stating he flat out did exactly the things that the industry said not to do!

@Catherine-kt9jt

11 ай бұрын

I think this video hit the right tone - he didn't say he felt one thing or the other was true about safety, just presented the facts

@lawrencet83

11 ай бұрын

The CEO hired people on the basis of "diversity" rather than qualification. His own words a couple years ago saying that he hired a diverse group of people , rather then a bunch of 50 year old "white people." His own words, not mine. Diversity over qualification. Go woke, be dead.

@BrandonGavin_EDC

11 ай бұрын

@@JTScott1988exactly, he was setting it up for failure and he knew it. I believe that’s why he was on every dive. He didn’t want to deal with the repercussions when it indeed failed.

@Galworld761

11 ай бұрын

Apparently, the community was concerned about this vessel. If exploring Titanic is truly science oriented why not pay certified vessels to take you down. Why add the layer of risk of an “experimental” vessel?

Thank you Mike for a thorough and thoughtful explanation of the events and the technologies used. A very tasteful presentation of events surrounding this tragedy.

You're the first content creator that didn't dive into insults toward Stockton. Focused more on the educational side of things and teaching us why it would fail and how it was found. Thank you. Mind you, I will not praise a man for ending the lives of people for his risky endeavor, but it is nice to watch a video and learn something new.

It's gonna be strange to think that this site will no longer be only the final resting place for over 1500 people that tragically passed away well over a century ago, but also for a small handful of contemporary people that walked the Earth at the same time as us. In times when we think we have pretty much everything regulated and figured out, this serves as a grim reminder that there are always areas in which we can improve. Excellent, very respectfully presented and very informative video, Mike.

@KarldorisLambley

11 ай бұрын

to think of modern people becoming part of the titanic tragedy is horrifying. especially the young lad.

@josh1234857

11 ай бұрын

the ignorance that was displayed by the "professionals" is disgusting. loss of 5 lives because of it. tragic. i know nothing of any of these people. but alas, what a horrid way to go.

@azynkron

11 ай бұрын

What I find even more strange and disgusting is that one accident wiped out families and the other a couple of rich tourist that knew what they were getting themselves into. One was all over the news.. the other on page 10.

@josh1234857

11 ай бұрын

@@azynkron well, the families should’ve had an idea too, that boat was way overloaded. Sad but true. Tragic also.

@SoulDelSol

11 ай бұрын

18 seconds in. We do have certifications and industry standards that everyone else followed/follows in deep sea and in 60 years of deep dives there hasn't been an accident. This isn't an example of where we need to improve. It was one person who chose not to adopt readily available improvements we have. It was offered to him and suggested to him by former staff and leaders in field but he declined and sent people on a death mission. If someone chooses to drive a car 100 mph on highway and kills 5 people are we to say "This shows there are areas we need to improve". Anyway it's hardly a threat to anyone. 5 deaths in 60 years and of people that chose to risk their life in experimental vessel, we don't need to waste time on regulations. It must be amongst the least common and likely and most preventable ways to die in 21st century.

As we say in the mariner community, Safety regulations and procedures are often written in blood. Hope some type of regulation is signed into law so this never happens again.

@KiwiSentinel

11 ай бұрын

So true!! The wreck of the Lusitania lies in Irish water and the Irish government has a strong set of regulations to protect the site. I think the Titanic needs such protection by international agreement. The time has come.

@connorbranscombe6819

11 ай бұрын

@@KiwiSentinel Not really a thing you can do though, its in international waters, no one is allowed to claim it. The best we got in an agreement the US tried to do that would have the UK, France, Canada, and the US all protecting it, but I dont think France or we in Canada really care enough, the US has money to throw around on useless things like that, we dont.

We can’t ignore that Oceangate went against every industry standard and cut countless corners. That’s unacceptable.

You probably hear this often, but I LOVE how well-dressed you are all of the time. It may be overlooked by some, but it's genuinely really impressive. Your knowledge of these things is also quite impressive and I thank you for sharing your knowledge with us!

It's crazy to me that after 111 years, the Titanic is still claiming lives, and for largely similar reasons. The hubris and ignorance of safety measures of both the White Star line and Oceangate staff is what led to this tragedy

@AHHHHHHHH21

11 ай бұрын

The staff just did what they were told, the ones who spoke out were fired

@ShadowDragon8685

11 ай бұрын

White Star didn't have a willfully negligent approach to safety though. They implemented safety measures that were higher than to the required regulatory standard at the time. In the grand scheme of things insufficient, of course - the gold standard of oceangoing safety being William Francis Gibbs, whose vessel Malolo in fact survived the very same type of collision that doomed _Empress of Ireland_ and _Andrea Doria,_ and which - along with _United States_ - would have easily survived the impact that felled _Titanic._ But they were not _negligent._ Stockton Rush, on the other hand, was _openly, and vocally opposed,_ to any kind of safety requirements being imposed on him. That's why the _Titan_ was not only uncertified, it had a waiver that mentioned 'death' like ten times, and tried to bypass liability by classifying paying passengers as "mission specialists." OceanGate, unlike White Star, was willfully negligent, and they are probably about to be sued out of existence.

11:25 In that video of the *actual* carbon fiber being wound, that activity probably should have taken place within a clean room. Because there were people within several inches of the carbon fiber being wound, particles of dust and other debris may have contaminated the carbon mesh, creating points of weakness. Over several dives, these points of weakness or delamination may have grown. Also, microscopic air bubbles in the carbon fabric could have produced a similar effect.

@merced175

11 ай бұрын

I would go further and say they should have never used carbon fiber in the first place as stated by many experts in the field

@TimInertiatic

11 ай бұрын

Yep. Inclusions that could collapse under pressure would weaken the hull. You are effectively reducing the thickness of the hull at the area where there is an inclusion. And these failures due to any inclusions will propogate...

@arcc4

11 ай бұрын

@@TimInertiatic Non-uniform material cycling extreme uniform load is basically playing Russian roulette with water pressure.

Your channel has a quality, a rigour, a style and a good taste that surpasses many professionals in the news and broadcasting industry. Thank you very much, Mr. Brady.

“I looked at the commercial opportunities and really settled on the early big opportunity being high end adventure tourism, mostly to the Titanic”. Stockton Rush, direct quote. This was a tourist operation, you have to terminally deluded to think it wasn’t. I will attribute that delusion to the evident sycophancy you have for your hero that died in this misadventure.

@Wintermute909

6 ай бұрын

Yeah anyone who doesn't join the mob howling for blood because the main stream media told us to is obviously a sycophant! /s But to be serious, science needs to be funded somehow. That's either going to be through government funding, or through a business that makes money. Your argument would apply to every pharmaceutical, aviation & telecommunication companies that rely on selling a product or service. And it would also apply to everything. from climate science, NASA & defence that all rely on government funding Even with the most pure academic research it could easily be argued that it is being funded by the university to increase their status so they can attract more students and sell their education programs. And while the argument can have a lot of good points, it's not a black & white case of anything that tries to make money cannot do scientific research.

I am glad you are covering this. This is the one channel I trust to have the knowledge talk about the events without being sensational or opportunistic. Having watched this channel for a while, I have sometimes lamented that you spent so much time on Titanic. But I knew why you did. It was a ‘Flagship’ (no pun intended) wreck. As you said, Titanic gets viewers who then learn about a great deal of the science and history of similar vessels and wrecks. My background is Environmental Science and we use ‘Flagship Species’ (official term) to attract attention to ecosystems, biomes and issues. Such as Koala conversation in my part of Eastern Australia to get support for forest management. I am not a Titanic fan, but every video is full of so much information, it is fascinating. And this is why I knew that Oceanliner Designs would offer a clear, well informed overview of what has happened. And I was not disappointed.

@ImRandomDude

11 ай бұрын

it is really baffling how we reached a point where people dont believe mainstream media, because of their nature to rush for sensational news before objective truthful reporting AND we come for objective and matured opinions on specific subjects to platform known for shit quality content full of misinformation

@rtqii

11 ай бұрын

I completely agree with you. I have been talking about this channel and recommending this video before it was even produced.

@ChristianTheJew

11 ай бұрын

Likewise.

@ll2323

11 ай бұрын

Was definitely wondering if he was going to say something.

@llianneolivoreyesmusic

11 ай бұрын

Channel

The issue I’ve always seen with carbon fiber pressure vessels like in automotive or other industries usually have a shelf life of 5-7 years before they start delaminating. It’s very unusual for them to not have issues and any exposure to sun shortens it’s life. I couldn’t believe they were still using the same sub after so many dives and years.

@c.w.8200

11 ай бұрын

Lol, my materials science professor keeps touting that as an advantage, "imagine we could build complex machines that are compostable after a few years!".

@LisaMichele

11 ай бұрын

​@@c.w.8200that could make sense if technology or demand was changing rapidly. otherwise durability seems like a key desirable in creating industrial machinery

@MrGhostOg

11 ай бұрын

@@_5_675 a good example I thought of was carbon golf club shafts. They are under extreme forces when it comes to drivers and are used over and over and have gone through years of development. They just start blowing up after a couple years of use. When I played a lot you would see it about every 6 months or so when playing in groups. I just don’t get how they didn’t see the safety issue

@MrGhostOg

11 ай бұрын

@@c.w.8200 it makes sense in certain industries in that respect when it comes to 3d printing carbon. Reasonably cheap to make and recycle.

@wayneantoniazzi2706

11 ай бұрын

@@c.w.8200 I'd say ask that prof if he was willing to bet his life on something that's compostable but you're probably better off just keeping quiet. His mind's made up, don't confuse him with inconvenient scenarios. It could get ugly.

Mike i could watch you all day. Im a historian, a history teacher actually who has a slight obsession with ocean liners, and of course titanic. Thank you mike for all you do!

Very easy listening, deep pockets of information and learning, thank you so much. I'm listening to plenty of your older videos now too. What a strange rabbit hole to find, post Titan tradegy. Thank you ❤

I’m a licensed Mariner, (Tankermen on big river boats called towboats pushing barges sometimes longer than 4 American football fields in length), working 28 days a hitch up and down all the main river systems in America, such as the Mississippi River. As a Mariner, I just want to thank you for taking these videos serious and for doing so in a professional manner. I speak on experience when I say our industry, especially working on towboats, is one of the most dangerous and hard working jobs in the work/labor industry. When disaster strikes on the water, it doesn’t just happen lightly, it HITS and when it does, you gotta be on your shit. It can come down to one minor mistake or distraction to determine whether or not you and your and your crew make it back home to your families safe. I’ve been in some serious life or death situations, multiple times. One scenario putting me in therapy and caused mild PTSD that I still deal with. Some nights while at home sleeping, I relive some of the moments in my dreams that are so realistic, I shoot out from under the covers in a panic, as if I’m in an actual emergency. But I love my job and this industry and wouldn’t want to have it any other way.

@dimitristripakis7364

11 ай бұрын

How can a tow boat be in a life-death situation, can you explain a bit ?

@jotcw81

11 ай бұрын

@@dimitristripakis7364I see towboats on the Danube pushing linked up barges with piles of sand etc. I can easily imagine it’s possible to oversee a small boat / Kayak / person on an air mattress (yes ppl do that here) or just you know, the oncoming traffic makes a mistake. These little tug/tow/push boats must have incredibly strong engines.

@dimitristripakis7364

11 ай бұрын

@@jotcw81 Thanks, that's one. But two, I think he meant about his and his crew's life.

@JoeLinux2000

11 ай бұрын

I have PTSD from a career as a public school teacher. I'm not joking.

@JoeLinux2000

11 ай бұрын

@@dimitristripakis7364 Hitting submerged objects, running into bridges, the tow breaking lose. Getting cut in half by a tow cable that suddenly snaps. Being knocked overboard. The list is endless.

disagree with several of the points made. Especially the analogy that using a controller for the control of a human-manned submersible is equivalent to manipulating a weapons system on which human lives don't rely.

Thoughtful and informative video with due respect and obvious anguish over the lost. Very well done young man. You made me see this tragedy in a new light. So sad 😢

I can immediately tell this was a hard tale for you to tell, but.. Thank you.

As always your eloquence in these matters and respect for the lost souls of both maritime incidents shows how much you take the time to think about what you want to say. You're not going straight to words, but you think of the words you want to say. (If that makes sense.) You use your mind and your heart to speak, instead of just rushing out to say whatever just so you can be first to say something. I feel you're first to say something that is both thought provoking and being respectful to the matters at hand. You are definitely top shelf in my book. Have a lovely weekend and thank you for sharing your knowledge and explaining to us this incident.

@Fred-rj3er

11 ай бұрын

Spot on. The lad's info and descriptive English is very well thought out. Unlike many KZreadrs, I rather sure that he actually reads over his script and makes amendments etc then reads through it again. Love this Chanel. It has given me a new interest

@nerdjournal

11 ай бұрын

Except he missed the issue completely people had with the window. It's not that they don't know how pressure makes things seal, it's that it literally was only rated for 1300 m when the craft was going to 4000 m this video comes off as copium because of his love for the titanic. Also, there is a literal engineer's video who works on submersibles who completely makes this cope video sound like what it actually is. Someone coping with something attached to something they love. Hell, he probably even wanted to go on this submersible one day.

@TheSixYardBox

11 ай бұрын

@@nerdjournal the fact he claimed this piece of garbage dollar store sub was a scientific study of the titanic and not a tourist operation said it all for me.

@loypineda5331

11 ай бұрын

@@TheSixYardBox yes and to call the passengers except for P.H. mission specialists is ridiculous.

I may sound like a broken record in this videos comments but this is a really good, unbiased, and accurate video discussing the tragic loss of Titan. Mike, keep on being the voice of the ocean liner community!

Thank you for this, I was so annoyed seeing so many people just write off the deaths and say they deserve it because they’re rich

Thanks! I’ve enjoyed your videos for awhile generally but this is the best vid on the titan I’ve watched

I must disagree with you about the controller. It was a wireless controller which is insane. What happens if it runs out of batteries? How many spare batteries did you bring? What if something happens with the wireless connection? Is there a backup system? Is there a hardwired controller in case something goes wrong?

@rattymenace

11 ай бұрын

Also fire risk. I wouldn't want to be in a sealed vessel with consumer grade electronics.

@zarabee2880

11 ай бұрын

It smacks of hubris, aesthetic first safety second & people died 😢

@ZX-Gear

11 ай бұрын

One of my favorite memes is the Xbox Controller suddenly being disconnected

@caseyjones38

11 ай бұрын

Im by no means trying to defend ocean gate, taking people on expeditions on a experimental sub is ludacris. But in one of there videos they put out on there KZread channel they said they had 3 back up controllers, 1 being wired.

@ross4

11 ай бұрын

@@caseyjones38 I didn't know that. Can you send the link? I can't find that video.

If I had that kind of money for deepside exploration, I would have chosen James Camerons machine and experienced crew.

@bradsanders407

11 ай бұрын

James Cameron doesn't run a tourist business taking people to the titanic. He has plenty of money so I doubt anyone anywhere has enough money to make him their servant.

@obinator9065

11 ай бұрын

@@bradsanders407and it's good that he doesn't. He's not a clown.

@merafirewing6591

11 ай бұрын

​@@obinator9065well the Russian submersibles he had been using were very good.

Thanks so much for making this video. I’ve loved your previous content and was pleased to see you covered a ship my Grandfather sailed on in WW2. As a result I really wanted to hear your take on this story - knowing it would be a fair and unsensational take on the facts and tech involved. Please keep up the good work!

Former Navy, there's a HUGE difference between the USN controllers and an off-the-shelf version.

The end caps were glued onto the carbon fiber hull in an open air warehouse with techs smoothing out the glue by hand, which another video I watched mentioned that at that point after it was applied there was no way to physically test the bond of the glue to the titanium and carbon fiber

Thanks for your comprehensive and non inflationary coverage. The weird thing is that I only just recently started watching your other videos about the Titanic before all this happened in the last couple of weeks. Primarily because I was interested in the latest photo recreation.

@OceanlinerDesigns

11 ай бұрын

It has been a very strange week indeed! Thanks for watching!

@ObnoxiousCamoToe

11 ай бұрын

The algorithm strikes again Which is probably why after the at least 10 different videos I've watched on the USS Thresher over the last year, they're now showing up even more

@philipwoodhouse4835

11 ай бұрын

​@@OceanlinerDesignsOther then the mission statement do you know of anything they discovered or researched that couldn't have been done by unmanned submersibles? Scientific thing seems more of an excuse as I can't find any discoveries prior to this?

@doublelightangel

11 ай бұрын

​@@OceanlinerDesignsit has indeed! I chose not to watch James Cameron's interview about this because my gut feeling was that it felt attention seeking to say he already knew it was lost. Have you seen it?

@ObnoxiousCamoToe

11 ай бұрын

@doublelightangel From what I've seen, he did say that he didn't want to speak up because although he had mostly came to the conclusion long before the media found out, he knew it would be a pretty shitty thing to do, taking away the hope that people did have. So he tried to just let the story run it's course, despite already knowing the outcome

You have a great way of conveying ideas and information thats engaging and never patronizing. Thank you.

I’m truly sorry for the loss of your friend. I know that must be quite difficult to reconcile with. But I want to thank you for taking the time to make this video. I’m no scientist, just an old broad with a lifelong love of science. You made it accessibly understandable, even for a neophyte like myself.

I will note something on the SOUSUS Net track from the Titan Implosion, the big reason it was kept in house until confirmation that the vessel was lost is that they weren't sure the sound actually was the Titan imploding, as identifying sounds from under water can be quite difficult, as noted, so the thought was that it could of been some other underwater activity that happened to sound like an implosion. With hindsight it's easy to see it as a potential wrong choice, but at that point it wasn't even public that the vessel had been lost.

It’s crazy the hatch could only be opened from the outside. If they were able to surface but weren’t found they could run out of air.

@rattymenace

11 ай бұрын

You probably won't want to open the sub yourself, even if it surfaced, as it would let water in and compromising the vessel. However, a system with a pump, would have been great.

@ShadowDragon8685

11 ай бұрын

@@rattymenace Or even just a standard EPIRB that they could release when they find themselves in distress...

@irieite9666

11 ай бұрын

Everything about it down to the colour. It'd be easier to spot a luminous orange object. But then customers may think "It's painted like a warning sign in case something goes wrong I'm not getting on" The whole thing was fashion over function. Profit over health and safety. Dishonesty over transparency etc.

@retriever19golden55

11 ай бұрын

If you're taking down first-time passengers, basically untrained, do you really want a panic-stricken person suffering from claustrophobia to be able to open the hatch?

@retriever19golden55

11 ай бұрын

If you're taking down first-time passengers, basically untrained, do you really want a panic-stricken person suffering from claustrophobia to be able to open the hatch?

Thank you for your analysis of these incidents of horror with honor and dignity to the subject matter.

Thank you for the information. I appreciate your desire to walk a respectful line, and stick with information. Cameron and Ballard are experts they can speak out about what was not done to promote safety etc. The investigation will reveal the end truth of the matter. Thank you for your part.

The entire time I was following the Titan news I was thinking about Mike Brady’s expertise and the eventual video we may get discussing the event. This video was even sooner and better than I expected. Amazing explanations whilst being sensitive to the victims like you always are. Thank you!

From what I've been reading, the coast guard did not hear the implosion in real-time but instead were given information that the sub went missing, may have imploded, and were directed to listen through their recordings and see if there was anything.

@nukamolly

11 ай бұрын

i think it was the navy that was peeping their communications, noticed the comms went down, and reported to the coast guard. that’s my understanding of it at least.

@artemisameretsu6905

11 ай бұрын

Regardless, can you imagine listening to the recording and just hearing the death of five people instantaneously 😰

Thanks for this. I learned some new things and the video of the hull wrapping was very interesting.

Thank you for making this. It's been very informative and useful. Fascinating.

As ever, an intelligently written, well researched and presented video. Well done Mike and any colleagues! My condolences to you and the community for the loss of your friend PH.

@roysmith6118

11 ай бұрын

Thanks Mike. Another informative presentation. Inadvertently you have also disclosed the how poorly the “regular” media reported this catastrophe.

It was said elsewhere that the submersible’s carbon fiber hull was wound in a warehouse type environment that wasn’t dust-free and was not temperature controlled.

@Spamhard

11 ай бұрын

You can see that in the footage on this video. it's got loads of people wandering around with cameras and stuff just watching as it's being wound. They also glued it in the same environment, and placed it together with a winch and a few people eye balling it as it was lowered down.

@Nelay_Lee

11 ай бұрын

It was cured at 137° C for 7 days and it was wound properly . Thank you for your.. I heard this from the internet false statements

Thank you for your well presented (neither too oversimplified nor too technical) and informative material. I have had a long-standing interest in maritime disasters and a particular fascination with Titanic since I first heard of it as a young child (over 60 years ago). Although I might be a little late to the party, I recently came upon a couple of your Titanic related videos and admit I am now a huge fan of your videos. I am in the process of playing catch up with your previous offerings, and delighted to join your other subscribers in support of your channel. Your efforts and obvious personal interest in your subject matter is acknowledged and much appreciated.

Thank you for educating me. Gripping, informative and brilliant