For a Kaylon who's supposed to be immune to any kind of emotions, Primary sure was seething with rage and hatred for humans

@mut57

Ай бұрын

A theory states that the Kaylon actually feel emotions, but are unable to express them or comprehend them

@TheKally

Ай бұрын

according to convo between isaac and that one kaylon who had emotion, it commented tat isaac had "reached the same emotional conclusions it had" but through roundabout logic rather than direct emotion. Since emotions are kinda just thoughts..I guess they do technically have them. Just without all the hormones and other stuff that initiate the feelings we generally associate with emotions. I think data from star trek had a similiar thing.

@samiippotsuboku2580

Ай бұрын

Yeah in all his communication he always felt like the most emotive

@KalraSura

Ай бұрын

It was hatred but also fear and trauma. He desperatly didnt want to risk being returned to his time as a slave. Even if logically he knew the biologicals of the union were different to his creators

@iammask1073

Ай бұрын

@@mut57 So they are all autistic?

Dad mode activated, resistance is futile

@rubyangel2900

5 ай бұрын

I loved dad Issac so much

@djduncan956

Ай бұрын

222nd like

@dirkthewrench

Ай бұрын

Your emotional and inspirational distinctiveness will be added to our own

@derechte6086

26 күн бұрын

Old Spartan rage

@Nonikt

18 күн бұрын

You are being saved. Please do not resist.

Interesting thing is that throughout the series, Isaac kept saying his kind can't feel emotions, yet you could tell that the Kaylon leader definitely felt malice towards the humans, underneath his so-called "logic." That, in retrospect, showed Isaac could develop emotions of his own; in this case, compassion.

@c.s.804

3 жыл бұрын

And how he had to throw out that insult as he died... seems rather petty for something emotionless

@sdmiii1102

2 жыл бұрын

Probably due to the torture he endured by his creators.

@rhuet8261

2 жыл бұрын

@@c.s.804 LOL

@thewewguy8t88

2 жыл бұрын

such a good point you got a feeling that the leader kind of enjoyed any moments they got to quite frankly hurt the crew in anyway they could(like for example throwing out a crew member out the airlock is something a mustache trulling cartoon villian would do. and even calling it "pushisment") and he seemed to just want to kill ty for the sake of it because he was upset he helped the crew resest.

@dm121984

Жыл бұрын

As part of the Kaylon's backstory (even at this point - we actually got to see it in season 3) the Kaylon's builders gave the Kaylon the ability to experience pain - my thinking is that some level of emotion was needed for that pain stimulation to work, and thats why the Kaylon Prime here shows a subtle degree of hate towards entities that reminded him of the Builders.

I love how he puts his guns away so he can dramatically rip Primary's head off, then immediately pulls his guns back out.

@michaelwalsh9616

4 ай бұрын

That is how personal it was

@YeetSpace

29 күн бұрын

The implication of it's even Wilder because of the fact that they purport themselves to be so non-emotional and logical, for him to do something that illogical in terms of like being offensively capable of protecting himself if anymore were to come in, Isaac was in the most violent and rageful way possible expressing that anger, it just so happens for a robot that's very calmly but very directly doing a non-100% lucrative move, ie shutting down the guns long enough to look the other guy in the eyes while you take his fucking head off

@Kragar01

28 күн бұрын

You may think that it had deeper meaning but in reality it’s because they tore the head off with practical effects and the head gun animations are all digital. It would have been way to complicated and expensive to track the animations to the live head especially with the complicated motions he made.

@YeetSpace

28 күн бұрын

@@Kragar01There's no way to confirmatively say that and the fact that you're trying to correct someone on it on something that you're speculating with no confirmable information other than " Well there's the possibility of this so I'm going to say you're wrong entirely because I thought of this meaning that I'm better" 💀💀💀

@RogueCrocodile

28 күн бұрын

He might’ve just been concerned about breaching the hull

“Deactivation complete” is a pretty badass one-liner from a robot

@socialcommentary1014

Жыл бұрын

Ahem. He's an android, thanks. 😆 What? It's the Internet? What? WHAT? 😅

@JacobAnthonyOConnor

Жыл бұрын

It’s not water it’s h2o, lol that’s what you sound like

@mastere6115

Жыл бұрын

​@@socialcommentary1014 no, he's a robot, he even states himself as a robot...

@Midnight0Mistress

Жыл бұрын

@@socialcommentary1014 I thought androids are part human

@georgesears2916

3 ай бұрын

​@@Midnight0MistressI think the distinction is an android is an anthropomorphic robot. Furthermore a gynoid is an android with feminine features.

“Are you experiencing sympathy?” “That is not possible for a Kaylon.” *press x to doubt*

@shawnhubbard8336

3 жыл бұрын

The the cinnamon toast fuck is sympathy?

@doctorwhoscpblitzkrieg770

3 жыл бұрын

Detroit become isaac

@cease842

3 жыл бұрын

@@shawnhubbard8336 Oh damn nice pfp lmao

@PandoraStolen

2 жыл бұрын

I found it interesting that a kaylon had to say that to another kaylon

@koanos2448

11 ай бұрын

I think Isaac is right, it really is not possible and we learn later Isaac cannot. But he does run on logic, and finds it right to save Ty.

Can we take a moment to appreciate that kid's acting?

@chadleach6009

3 жыл бұрын

Agreed, give him a few years and a role as static shock and watch his career boom.

@imofage3947

3 жыл бұрын

@@chadleach6009 A live action Static Shock with this kid in the title role? I'd watch that. The original animated version in 320p (estimated) didn't age well.

@theyos88

3 жыл бұрын

Woah, never actually noticed before, just thought "Yep, that's a kid doing kid things".

@CDHfilms

3 жыл бұрын

@@theyos88 They could probably put him on the black lightning show

@kittvskarrkr6074

2 жыл бұрын

Acknowledged

"I will not allow them to harm you." The most heart-warming thing ever said in this series

@BlazingOwnager

Жыл бұрын

I love where this storyline ultimately concluded.

@elias6071

Жыл бұрын

Isaac is not capable of experiencing love

@MemoirsofaBasketcase

Жыл бұрын

@@elias6071 His efficiency was better served by keeping Ty alive & safe than following Primary’s orders.

@hagamapama

Жыл бұрын

@@elias6071 Yes he is. He's just not capable of using the word. He has reactions that are clearly analogous to human emotions he just uses other terms to describe them. Claire eventually picks up on this when Isaac says he functions less efficiently without her and she realizes thats his version of "I love you." (although I think Ed is the first person to REALLY pick up on this) Once you realize that Isaac has emotions but refuses to use emotional terms to describe them, you really begin to see the depth of Isaac's character.

@keiz5052

Жыл бұрын

@@hagamapama Do you ever think that it was Isaac also partially hurting that led him to commit sudoku?

I'm always a sucker for the "automaton that learns to care" trope.

@__-fm5qv

Ай бұрын

Love it as much as the "bad guy" with a heart of gold turns good trope lol.

I just want to point out that everytime we've looked into Isaac's "eyes," we've been looking down the barrel of a laser.

@SirCraigius

3 жыл бұрын

He pointed out himself in an early episode that his "eyes" are purely aesthetic, he see's using internal sensors.

@erubin100

3 жыл бұрын

@@SirCraigius yeah, but he didn't say they were FREAKIN LASER BEAMS!

@loginbrags7016

3 жыл бұрын

Would you even call it the barrel if it’s a laser gun?

@markheyes287

3 жыл бұрын

@@erubin100 Doctor Evil 😂

@tomassinopatatov135

3 жыл бұрын

@@SirCraigius he lied

It’s funny how issac insists he can’t feel emotions when it’s clear from this and so much else he does he just comprehends them differently in that he understands them through the logic

@hagamapama

Жыл бұрын

Right, like his vows to Claire. He simply found a robotic way to say "I need you to complete me." Similar to the rain scene. The thing is Claire knows how he thinks more or less now, so she isn't fooled anymore by his attempting to hide his emotions behind technical jargon

@alex_enbee

Жыл бұрын

@@hagamapama well i also think it matters a lot that their wedding happened after he had his brief moment where he could feel emotions. He out ride told Claire he loved her and wanted to be a parent to her kids. I mean sure he doesn’t remember feeling those emotions, but he still said that stuff and ment it. He might never tell her he loves her again but she knows that he does and that must help a ton.

@hagamapama

Жыл бұрын

@@alex_enbee Even his wedding vows reflect that. They sound cold and selfish until you realize that what he was really telling Claire is "according to my precise analysis, you complete me and make me a better person."

@keiz5052

7 ай бұрын

⁠@@hagamapamai think it isnt quite that he knows, yet still outright refuses to say he feels emotion he does feel emotion, but he himself is unaware of that and sees it as simple data and conclusions that short time that he could feel gave him the ability to well and truly acknowledge and briefly know what it was

@thesidneychan

7 ай бұрын

To some extent, Isaac also represents a bit of neurodivergence. Autism. Emotions do exist, just expressed differently.

Isaac says he can't feel love but he clearly loved claire and her children. The fact he turned on his entire species in order to save ty is proof. He ended up being my favourite character, he had so much emotional depth for a creature that supposedly couldn't feel emotions.

@TheQuaadFather

27 күн бұрын

They mention Isaac was manufactured differently from other Kaylon and that he's technically more advanced than any of them, which is why he was chosen as ambassador to Starfleet and while obviously not intended to feel emotion, the more dynamic a mind the more capacity it has for things like that and the way he puts this arm around Ty is proof that he was capable of learning emotions like how he attempts humor with Gordon in season 1

Homie inmediately went for the Sub-Zero fatality at seeing a child threatened , mad respect .

I like to think Isaac changed his lights to blue because it was a more calming colour and he didn't want to scare any of the crew, hence why every other Kaylon has red/orange lights

@TayoEXE

Жыл бұрын

I thought it was because he was a next generation Kaylon built after the extermination of the Builders?

@ady829

Жыл бұрын

​@@TayoEXEbut as far as what we've seen, he's the only blue one. Does that mean he was the only one made after their builders were gone?

@RyCoke27

8 ай бұрын

@@ady829Correct. He was built to be the emissary to the Union.

@heithryan

3 ай бұрын

These may all be viable theories, but really, his eyes were blue instead of red or orange so the audience could tell him apart from the other Kaylon.

"You will always be alone." How ironic in that particular moment, and how badly did that age 😂

It's funny. Even tough he claims to not have emotions, he pretty much acted like he took the situation personally, from twisting off the primary's head instead of blast him like the other two, to saying "Deactivation Complete" with what sounded like a tone of satisfaction.

"I will not allow them to harm you" As stoic as that was, especially coming from Issac, it wamred my heart to hear that. There was no logic, no reasoning behind those words. HE didn't want anyone to harm him. period. Man it's such a good thing they aren't like the borg and have a collective mindset. If that was the case, all the kaylon probably would have rushed over there to stop issac.

Campy, simple, cheesy, uncomplicated......and in expressing a genuine StarTrek feeling - it sticks the landing.

@duckduckgoismuchbetter

Жыл бұрын

Not campy or cheesy in the slightest. But otherwise I agree.

Mortal Kombat Announcer: "FATALITY! ISAAC WINS! FLAWLESS VICTORY!" Isaac: "Deactivation complete."

@MoiraWillenov

20 күн бұрын

Yeah, I would play him as a character in MK1! :D

I was in utter disbelief when Isaac turned on Orville, he just spent 200 yrs on another planet for them lol. I loved this moment I knew in my gut he would save him.

@FLohPiano

4 жыл бұрын

In fact , 700 years...

@coffeeaddictexpress5038

4 жыл бұрын

Felicia Lohidajat oh yeah! Lol. I love this damn show and now I can’t even watch reruns cuz they took it off My FOX app and I don’t even have Hulu.

@coffeeaddictexpress5038

3 жыл бұрын

Skylinesandsunsets thank you 🙏 I broke down and got Hulu lol.

@VulpisFoxfire

3 жыл бұрын

Hr just had this pain in the diodes down his left side...

@ahsokarules2369

2 жыл бұрын

I never trusted Isaac from the moment we met him. Have you never seen a robot movie. They always rebel against Humans. Always.

You will always be... alone. No, I will not

@BulletSponge178

2 жыл бұрын

I'm getting the feeling MacFarlane heard this from someone at Paramount regarding his opinions on the current direction of Star Trek.

"Deactivation complete" Isaac was possessed Stallone when he said that

@NewMusicWeekly

3 жыл бұрын

Or Arnie: kzread.info/dash/bejne/Y6p3rsePZ7PMetY.htmlm45s

Between this and Isaac telling Ty to tell his mom that he's sorry before deactivating the Kaylon has me convinced that his algorithms are beginning to simulate emotions.

@LilKumStainzz

3 жыл бұрын

Just like human emotions are the result of a simple neuron in the brain either turning on or off. Isaac's algorithms broken down into the simplest terms is just 1s and 0s, on or off. when one becomes advanced enough it becomes indistinguishable from the other

@a3s1r1986

3 жыл бұрын

@@LilKumStainzz Agreed. In terms of electrical impulses, Pinocchio has become a real boy.

@treygreen5015

3 жыл бұрын

He's just a *deviant*.

@danielhaire6677

Жыл бұрын

Personally, I don't think those emotions are simulated anymore.

@hagamapama

Жыл бұрын

Beginning? He's been a sentimental little toaster-man from day 1. He just won't use the words. Try to label his reactions as emotions and he pushes back, but let him describe his thought processes without attempting to label them and you see fear, anger, determination, sentiment, compassion, love, depression, the whole gamut. He just won't let you describe them as such.

I gotta say that I was very shocked and pissed off at Isaac after Kaylon invaded the Orville, but it’s clearly shown in this scene when he saves Ty despite a direct order from Primary, just how emotionally evolved Isaac has become and how his bond with the crew and Ty and Marcus has affected his course of action and point of perspective on humans so far

@TayoEXE

Жыл бұрын

Right. Isaac can think and make decisions in a near instant. He knew the consequences of his actions. It meant betraying his own home world and people and being alone in a way. It meant he may have to die for his actions too. I like how complex of a being he is becoming since his "emotions" are hidden behind a mask so to speak and his inability to acknowledge his feelings as nothing more than processes.

This is more Star Trek than the Star Trek Discovery and Picard itself

@theacidtonguedconservative3865

2 жыл бұрын

Current Star Trek is a cash grab and is meant to push political agendas. The Orville is meant to be fun and also ask moral and philosophical questions without beating you over the head with a sledgehammer.

@duckduckgoismuchbetter

Жыл бұрын

Precisely!

I think it’s telling that Isaac is pushed over the edge the minute Ty is threatened.

Primary lost because he expected Isaac to do his dirty work.

@hagamapama

Жыл бұрын

Primary lost because he expected an android that had been thinking independently for centuries not to think independently.

Ty's Robo-Dad protected him. 😄

This was a defining moment in both Isaac’s character arc as well as the trajectory of the Orville series.

@Lava91point0

Жыл бұрын

without a doubt.

People being mad at Isaac for behaving like a programmed machine (which he is) because he said or did something that they don't agree with. A flaw of the characters was to constantly judge his actions based on their own biological emotions. I love that the show would sometimes point that out. Like when Isaac dumped Dr.Finn initially and the whole crew were being childish dicks about it, completely forgetting he is a damn robot hahaha

@alexunfiltered5756

2 жыл бұрын

Isaac is best character.

@stephenedward6866

Жыл бұрын

I don't understand

@JDog2656

3 ай бұрын

IKR. It’s kind of annoying and lacks common sense. It’s one thing for the Krill or the Moclans to act homicidal or superior due to religously fantaical or cultural upbringings instilled from birth, it’s a whole other thing when you are literally built and programmed to follow directives. And even then all 3 groups have a hard time seeing beyond their mentalities. Sentient or no, they do not process the same capacity to think or reason beyond logic. The fact that Isaac and Timmis were able to reach these conclusions at all is an achievement in and of itself. That is a near impossible hurdle for an artificial being to overcome when they were essentially brought off the factory line. Honestly, I’d be more upset with the Krill or Moclan than anyone else cause they actually are capable of thinking beyond logic

SAVED THAT KID LIKE A BOSS !!!😎😎

Data would be proud

we can tell in advance that the one robot is the good guy because he has blue eyes in contrast to those other bastard robots with their red eyes.

@Arvyn992

3 жыл бұрын

I believe that issac is a newer model compared to the others that's why he has blue eyes

@legendarycheesey8971

3 жыл бұрын

@@Arvyn992 yes he was made by kylon instead is the other life form on kylon

@johnwade7842

3 жыл бұрын

@@Arvyn992 Potentially however I doubt that this assessment is truly accurate, simply because of the finnal epersiod in the second season where Issac's mind was downloaded into the body of the captured Kaylon since that body also adopted blue eyes in the process suggesting eye colour can be changed easily. it is very possible that the Kaylon they captured was also an updated model but that does not explain why they to have red eyes, before the download. I think a more likely hypothesis is that the blue eyes where meant to instil a calming presence to the crew of the Orville just as it does in human viewers, and since the Kaylon wanted the crew to welcome Isaac and gain their trust, making him have Red quote on quote eyes which would be a visual que which would make the crew a little more on edge, making them less welcoming of him. this would make his betray more anticipated due to our cognative defeats as the Kaylon would put it and potentially put the plain in jeopardy. Also before any one argues the Kaylon would consider this as irrelevant, you must consider that they think logically, and since they have studied other organisms and if they beleaved that red eyes would make the crew more suspicious of them they would change the eye colour since their whole plain hinged on crews connection to the Isaac. Which none the less backfired do to a certain doctor.

@legendarycheesey8971

3 жыл бұрын

@@johnwade7842 he was designed after the battle on kylon and wasn’t built by a biological life form but instead by kylon themselves and can we just take a moment to think about every time we looked into Isacs eyes we were looking down the barrel of a laser

@johnwade7842

3 жыл бұрын

@@legendarycheesey8971Yes he was but i do not think his eyes were blue because he was a newer model made by the kaylon since his eyes was still blue when his conciouness was uploaded in a Kaylon whose eyes were red prior in the 14th epersoid of season 2. I wasn't contesting the fact that he was built specifically by the Kaylon to interact with the orvile if you get my gist

" I will not allow them to harm you "

De-activation: Complete. Some of the coldest, calculating, yet heroic words ever uttered

Space....The Final Frontier. These are the voyages of the Starship Orville. Its continuing mission: To continue the original 'Star Trek' adventures inspired by Gene Roddenberry's visions. To seek first contact with new civilizations while having lots of fun. To boldly go where no Trek has gone before!!

@peaveyst7

3 жыл бұрын

@Yuki BabaYaga trek was always woke... to bad yall didnt noticed it until some tits gained mainroles...

@jacechretin4597

3 жыл бұрын

Mirror of Society we had tits before with Janeway in voyager. Yet she wasn't as stupid as the captain who got the voice actor of archer and Bob of Bob's burgers killed labeling him an idiot to cover her inefficiency.

@christopherobrien8105

3 жыл бұрын

They are, without a doubt, the weirdest ship in the fleet.

@vagrant1943

3 жыл бұрын

@@peaveyst7 Yea but it was actually inclusive. Nowadays it's all about bashing white males.

@nfspbarrister5681

2 жыл бұрын

Hear hear!

I love Isaac. In fact, I love all of the characters but Isaac is Top 1. Good show making me feel for its characters.

0:57 Isaac's head: "Okay, there are 3 of them, 1 of me, but I have the initiative..." Big gamble. He could have easily been shot in the back by the two of them.

@ld.j4391

2 ай бұрын

True. It seemed like in the other battles, the Kaylon were quicker to shoot

I knew that Isaac wouldn’t let the children be harmed. I am so proud of my boy… you can’t be mad at a machine for obeying its primary. But you can definitely respect a machine that chooses defiance for the sake of love, regardless of if it was a learned program or not. I never gave up on Isaac, even when he tossed the picture that Ty made him. I knew there was still love in there. And the fact that at the end they didn’t allow the Union to give him an off switch, it really shows how far humanity has come in treating AI with as much dignity as any other biological being.

Deactivation - *Complete*

he saids he doesn't have emotions, but I believe he does deep down.

Isaac is one of my favorite characters on the Orville. The personal growth he experienced 🥹

Isaac closely resembles TNG's Data in so many ways. Even the actor who voiced him sounds a lot like Brent Spiner.

@aethertech

3 жыл бұрын

No, really?

@imofage3947

3 жыл бұрын

But in this 2-part episode, he's more of an analogue to Picard in "Best of Both Worlds".

@johnwade7842

3 жыл бұрын

I think a more apt comparison would be Odo since it turns out his people are the aggressors and he has to choose between his loyalty to the crew or to his own people

@LGranthamsHeir

3 жыл бұрын

@@johnwade7842 The same could be said about Seven of Nine in 'Voyager'

@johnwade7842

3 жыл бұрын

@@LGranthamsHeir very true but the point stands that that is type of dynamic I think is more accurate over data however their are obvious aspects of data also incorporated

"Deactivation Complete" like a BOSS!

I do wonder about Isaac and Prime here - they both seem to have some level of emotion, even though their arguments are all rooted in logic. Primary is closer to logical in some ways - other species will always represent a non-zero threat to the Kaylon, therefore exterminating them now when the Kaylon have an advantage is a logical decision. But it has assumption built in that are not wholly logical, like that they won't encounter an even more advanced species who'll object to galactic genocide and wipe out the Kaylon to preserve the rest.

@codyrodgers6426

Жыл бұрын

They make decisions through data and real time information like super computers and make decisions. The older Kaylons had memories of the cruelty of their builder so that is always a factor in their calculations where as Issac does not have that memory since he is a new gen kaylon so he is able to decide a different outcome.

@darianromero3532

8 ай бұрын

​@codyrodgers6426 I think it's pretty clear that the kaylons DO have emotions, it's just processed and understood in a different way. It's clear that primary has a certain disdain for biological lifeforms, not JUST because he has the memories of what his creators did to them. He seems to have genuine hate for them and when isaac pulls off primarys head he even throws out one last "insult" which is pretty petty for a "non-feeling" machine. I think Isaac's emotions are the exact same as human emotions he just refuses (possibly due to programing from the kaylon) to acknowledge them as such

@ld.j4391

2 ай бұрын

They do have emotions. They can’t reason as to why they have them or they just can’t express it in the fear they will be deactivated for being ‘faulty’. How else did they start to hate all biological lifeforms because the builders abused them. Feeling and recognizing abuse… I think that requires emotion. It hurt them.

One of the best scenes with Issac and the kid.

This has become a great series, so cool for comedic startrek esk series.

@theacidtonguedconservative3865

2 жыл бұрын

I would argue that it has dialed back a lot on the comedy, and that's a good thing in my opinion. The Orville has become the replacement for Star Trek.

I'd love to see Alara come back for a visit, seeing as Isaac's betrayal resulted in who knows how many of her old security team, people she trained and who were her friends, being slaughtered defending the ship. I magine she would not be as forgiving as the rest of the bridge crew and would more than likely hate him like poison for what he did, and would want to pound Issac into scrap. She would also blame herself for not being there, which would only fuel her rage at Issac.

@aronnemcsik

2 жыл бұрын

I don't think Alara would do that. She would be angry sure but would probably understand what Isaac went through...

@wxyoung691

2 жыл бұрын

It would probably be settled in Alara’s favorite simulation. A boxing ring.

@lord_beethoven1169

2 жыл бұрын

Alara did return; but for one episode in an alternate plot.

The headguns were a complete surprise...was this their first appearance?

I adore Isaac.

One of my favorite moments, right up there with Bortus going absolutely ballistic on the Moclan that tortured Topa. Both turned their backs on everything their cultures and upbringing had conditioned and programmed them to believe to protect their child.

My man just ripped his boss' head off and tossed it accross the room "with no emotion." Yeah okay, Isaac. Sure thing, buddy.

Isaac: You're Terminated.

1:10 I don't understand why he had to holster the weapons, rip the head off, expand them out again, shoot the kaylons, then holster again. It's kinda redundant and it would've looked more badass anyways had he ripped the guy's head off while his head was all canon-y

@malcolmmorin

Жыл бұрын

It's likely that the Kaylon can only use their weapons if they remain stationary. To perform physical actions, their weapons are to be holstered.

@ribtips305

3 ай бұрын

Because Isaac took it personally that primary just had to have the kid killed and was ordering him to do it. He did it like that because he was pissed.

“You will always be alone” It says as this man stands beside the family he swore to protect forever and vice versa. He will never be alone!

Wish the new treks relied more on morals and dialogue than non stop action

@jaqenhghar2970

2 жыл бұрын

the non-stop action is fine with me. it's more the lack of decent actors and actresses and writers than can actually write life into their cast.

@duckduckgoismuchbetter

Жыл бұрын

More story, less or no Woke! And choose actors based on the best for a part, rather than to fill out pointless demographics. And hire writers based on writing ability. Including the ability to write without pushing their idiotic political agenda.

@DanceMonkeychg

Жыл бұрын

@@duckduckgoismuchbetter Writers with no point of view who'll bend over backwards to make sure people on Twitter and in KZread comments don't have a hissy fit? Sounds like a real recipe for creativity and free expression there. You think if social media echo chambers existed in the 60s most of the complaints people have now wouldn't have been leveled at TOS? Get real.

@mbdelorenzo

2 ай бұрын

@@duckduckgoismuchbetter Star Trek has always been woke. It's just that in the past they were smart and subtle about it, but the Discovery writers are idiots.

First time I saw this I was like YES!!

He threatens Isaac with deactivation, but threats are a method for coercing emotional beings. If a course of action is truly logical you wouldn't need a threat to make it so.

Orville writers: We will introduce characters in first episode and slowely add episodic characters, so fans will care about everyone, when series climaxes. STD writers: We didn't introduce anyone, because we can alwys put information on the access media about them. Also, it's not ensamble show, so MC will carry it on her shoulders. STD writers, year later: So franchise fans disliked MC, her roommate, that token gay couple and extras on bridge. Let's introduce them in the begining of second season. If we name everyone on screen, franchise fans will bond with them.

@opo3628

3 жыл бұрын

Indeed. The STD writers just. don't. get. it.

man i love orville

Those two other kaylon in the room were just as useful as a pair of goldfish.

"Deactivation complete" Cold badass line😎 " i will not allow them to harm you" 🥲 warmed my heart

Why couldn't Data have head lasers.

@MikecraftAnimations

3 жыл бұрын

William Winder because Dr. Nunian Soong wanted Data to resemble humans in as many ways as possible. For example, his central power core is located in his upper chest and offset to one side slightly, exactly where a human heart is located. He is capable of breathing, although it is not necessary. He even has a pulse and blinks smilingly randomly.

@nicholassmith7984

3 жыл бұрын

I always wondered why Data didn't have any in-built communication or scanning equipment, or a means to interact directly with the ship's computer, instead of relying or mundane communicators and tricorders.

Issac will make a great step dad to Claire Finn's children. Too bad Yaphitt got relegated to the friendzone by Issac the robot. The doctor had to choose between a hard robot or a mushy gelatinous blob.

@DavidLS1

Жыл бұрын

Yaphit needs sleep (presumably), but Isaac can keep on going and going and going...

@exposingproxystalkingorgan4164

Жыл бұрын

@@DavidLS1 I rembered one scene where Yaphit had to concentrate really hard to extended himself like a banana. 🍌

@DavidLS1

Жыл бұрын

@@exposingproxystalkingorgan4164 In one scene he extended himself in such a way as to show Claire that he could 'please' her. It didn't seem to take any effort at all.

I finally saw how he come back. I wish after this that the kid wasnt there when they woke him up but instead doc tells kid someone would like to see him kids all moping until he sees who it is

I really love Isaac, it doesn't matter what they say I support the season 3 ending wedding, I wish season 4 is here

0:42 I love that TV show

Love this scene

Metallic Sheldon Cooper.

I love how they gave Issac so much character even tho hes an artificial lifeform that is unable to have emotion

Dad protocol activating...goodbye Primary.

Isaac and Data, the two androids who long to be human.

@stfanboy

3 жыл бұрын

Isaac does not want to be human.

@jose-ec3co

2 жыл бұрын

@@stfanboy he is superior

ironically, by attempting to force his hand, primary essentially became the very thing he swore to destroy

Is somebody thinking the Kaylons are just Cylons with another name? I mean the Cylons and Kaylons both were created to serve, they rebelled and fought, with the exception of Colonials being alive after the first war and Keylonians commiting genocide on their former masters. Just by the name I think its a refference to BSG

@EmperorDxD

2 жыл бұрын

There a combination of both and cylon with probley more

@jacknagel9387

2 жыл бұрын

You wouldn’t be wrong. Not only does this show have Star Trek references but also other classic Sci-Fi shows like StarGate01 and yes, Battle Star:Galactica

@honzasenbauer612

2 жыл бұрын

@@jacknagel9387 Can you name an example of Stargate reference? I know Stargate to the fullest (at least I hope so) and didn't catch any references

@jacknagel9387

2 жыл бұрын

​@@honzasenbauer612 I've always seen Bortus as a parody on Teal'c. How he walks and talks and even acts made me almost think he was played by Christoper Judge at first(He doesn't). His almost total lack of understanding with jokes and just how he holds himself has always been ,at least to me, was always joking about that. I know people say hes supposed to be Worf but I personally see WAY more Teal'c in him than Worf.

@honzasenbauer612

2 жыл бұрын

@@jacknagel9387 oh yea, you are right. I think I have been too influenced by Trekkies calling him Worf like character. Thanks for clarification

"You will always be a ball? What? Meh whatever, he was probably just stupid on account of dying."

I just realized something. This whole scenario is a scene remake or copy or rip off for everyone to call it of ending premise of Man of Steel. Where Superman turns his back on his fellow kryptonians to take the side of humanity as Isaac turns his back on his fellow kalons to take the side of humanity. Both are Men of Steel. Both are doing the right thing. The moral thing even if it means betraying their own people. I always thought that I saw this before but I couldn't put my finger on it until now when I saw this episode but now I know that they kind of took the idea from that Zack Snyder film and used it in their purposes on the show for Isaac's story

So the knight in shining armor has a heart of gold after all - Sinclair

This reminds me of a scene from the original Battlestar Galactica where Starbuck befriended a Cylon who he nicknamed "Cy" and when 3 other Cylons showed up and tried to kill Starbuck he killed them all to protect his human friend but in that story unlike Isaac one of the 3 Cylons managed to kill him too and a very sad Starbuck held his dying friend in his arms.

Isaac's eyes looked different throughout this episode(I dont just mean the color). They seemed "deeper" than the other Kaylon red-eyes. I don't know if this was intentional to show Isaac as more feeling or what.

You know I've noticed thatthe first time I saw this episode that while Isaac kept insisting kaylons dont have emotions the leader not only acts differently but even seems to act like he knows something, like he's aware that kaylons in fact devoleop emotions but Isaac doesnt realize it because he's kind of yoing by their standards

This show man. Fucking chokes me up.

Isaac: Deactivation complete Translation: Don't touch my humans.

It's crazy to me that this guy got to attend Isaac's wedding in the front row after getting his head ripped off by isaac

At this point I can only say Kaylons do feel emotions but they are incapable of expressing them or understand how they feel. Isaac expressed love and care for others while primary expressed hate and anger to other biological.

“I am..sorry “

This show is amazing I hope for season 4

"fuck it we ball"

The best like rule😭😭😭

Wow issac can good shooting 😮

It's hard to tell how he came to this cuz if his whole mission was to observe and learn and he was always loyal to the rest of Kaylon and doesn't at all have feelings of any kind, why did he turn against the Kaylon?

@johndetlie7853

3 жыл бұрын

He's been infected by humanity, for lack of a better term. He was constructed specifically to serve as an emissary to the Union, meaning he probably didn't spend that much time in his society. At this point in the show, Isaac's spent almost two years on the Orville and has formed relationships with the crew, especially Claire and her kids. He even starts malfunctioning when he breaks up with Claire, which indicates that he's definitely beginning to experience something like organic emotions. This actually became a plot point later in the season. In the two final episodes of the show, some time-travel shenanigans happen and Mercer doesn't wind up in command of the Orville. This means that Claire never joins the crew, so Isaac doesn't bond with her and her sons, which results in him completing his mission for the Kaylon and being deactivated now that his purpose is at an end. The Kaylon then use the intel he gathered to nearly annihilate the Union, so the surviving crew have to band together to fix things before they can scour the galaxy clean of organic life.

@argonwheatbelly637

3 жыл бұрын

He's also of a different generation of Kaylon. He doesn't remember direct personal trauma from the people who create them, only uploads, which may or may not be truly experiential to him.

@ElAurian

3 жыл бұрын

I think the key dialogue is: Primary: "Are you experiencing sympathy?" Isaac:"That is not possible for a Kaylon!" I think, Isaac lied to Primary here in order to protect Tye. And: "I will not allow them to harm you". actually prooves it, because if he hadn't any kind of sympathy like Primary he wouldn't have said that. Isaac studied organic lifeforms for hundreds of years (Think of the last episode in season 1!) and now he has more experience than anyone of his Species. Tragically, Primary summons that at the very end: "You will always be alone." Isaac knows it is true, because he is the only Kaylon who has overcome his racism now.

@ElAurian

3 жыл бұрын

@@argonwheatbelly637 True. That might be another reason for it. And it reminds me of some humans who also have more problems to overcome racism than their children. So perhaps Isaac might be more organic than he thinks. ;-)

@EmperorDxD

2 жыл бұрын

All the kaylon have emotions it seems like the primary has pure resentment

It's impossible for Ai to have emotions. Isaac is simply thinking logically, as he is the one who has the most data on biological life forms otuside of his own species. He has also been instructed by the Union to protect union officers and the crew of the ship. Isaac is simply following his orders. As to why he doesn't flip and follow Primary's as he sees the possibility for human / kaylon coexistence, and possibly saw that would be made impossible of a child was terminated. Thus Isaac's only known decision; rebellion. Also Primary was a unit created by Kaylon with only prior experience of their builders.

1:08 🥺💔 1:13 🤩 💖

Kaylon can feel all emotion just like any other species however that function is not turn on yet. Their creator turn on only 1 function, pain to punish them to make them obey like slave.

wow cool yes grate

No emotions my harry toes.

Primary was wrong in the end about Isaac being alone. Sure he might have been along from the Kaylons but he does have the crew of the Orville. And in the end, the kaylons are with him

Isaac had no problem killing humans until it meant that the Finn family would be killed lol 😂

@codyrodgers6426

Жыл бұрын

Issac didn't kill any of the crew he kept trying to reason with primary to let them live.

The chilling last words of Primary. Was that his programming, or....something else?

@Vydio

9 ай бұрын

It was not his programming.

You knew what was going to happen

He should become a Deviant