We just need to wait for Monolith the release Xenoblade 4-9 and then X(10) will finally be canon

@JBspherefreak

8 ай бұрын

Hopefully Takahashi has a lot of years left in him to get that done 😅

@knightofwind2929

8 ай бұрын

To be honest, I'd play them all

@infern24

8 ай бұрын

@@JBspherefreak already found a problem with the theory: the xenoblade x new los angeles is implied to be remains of our earth's united states. but what you're forgetting is this: the zohar/conduit was found on our earth in africa. before the government was formed in xenosaga, the united states did exist. the events in future redeemed and xenoblade 2 chapter 10 and the beginning lore events of xenosaga are far in the future of our earth, meaning the only thing that makes sense is xenoblade x is an alternate universe version of earth where the villains of xenoblade x prevented the klaus explosion by attacking earth. even the date of the colony spaceships launching in future redeemed doesn't match with xenoblade x, instead it is the one of xenosaga. luxin went over this, but I'm guessing you didn't watch his video on the subject. xenoblade x is canon to the other xenoblades, but you got it all wrong, xenoblade x earth is one of the endless universes that coexist side by side with the main trilogy's earth. future redeemed radio is referencing xenosaga, not xenoblade x. idk why you xenoblade x fans still don't get that. I'm a xenoblade x fan that has never played xenosaga or xenogears and even I get this.

@ltb1345

7 ай бұрын

@@infern24 Yeah, I was thinking the same thing about New LA. How would people thousands or millions of years in the future, on a different planet than the original earth, name a city "Los Angeles"? How would they even know that name by then? I think it makes more sense for X to be an alternate timeline where Klaus' experiment never happened. However I do think Mira is the main series earth/Aionios in the far future, and the White Whale and their pursuers crossed timelines. Lots of evidence toward Mira being the post-XC3 earth.

@hyliastone286

7 ай бұрын

I unironically think this is possible lmao. Depends on what they do next - X could be canon through some kind of Xenoblade version of eternal recurrence for all we know.

At least one main character agrees with you that Earth wasn’t destroyed. Lin’s last bit of monologue before the credits roll: “Everyone says the Earth died that day. But not me - I don't believe it. The White Whale couldn't have been the only ark to escape, either. There must be other survivors out there. Somewhere... The path ahead may not be clear, and it certainly won't be easy. But for now, the important thing is we're here on Mira, and we're ALIVE. And, we'll live on, for now, with faith in our hearts that one day, we can once again set out to search for the planet we left behind...”

@JBspherefreak

8 ай бұрын

Could be a nice little nod, I forgot about this entry so thanks for reminding me

God I want an X continuation so bad. I am dying to know why Elma is so concerned with preserving humanity and its history Side note. Maybe Yuriev, as the leader of the saviorites, is the Great One

@JBspherefreak

8 ай бұрын

I do agree with this sentiment surrounding Yuriev and whilst it makes a lot of sense, there isn't any evidence to support it quite yet so I left it out for now

@Alban_Blade_Memer

8 ай бұрын

In that logic Luxar could be considered being the brother of Jr and Albedo?

As much as I want X to be the next game in the Xeno timeline after the end of the Klaus Saga; there is something about how they spent 3 games trying to bring Earth back only for it to get destroyed again if X is next that I find irksome. I'm still in the KOS-MOS camp but if it was indeed Elma I would be satisfied too.

@ltb1345

7 ай бұрын

The earth from 1-3 didn't get destroyed again, it became Mira. That's why the Mechonis' rings are in Oblivia.

@Zino_blade

7 ай бұрын

@ltb1345 Me and my friends are going to beat you with hammers

Awesome theory, definitely the most realistic and well put together as far as making X canon to the Klaus saga. Makes me excited to go back and play X again with a magnifying glass 🔍

@JBspherefreak

8 ай бұрын

Appreciated 😊 only time will tell to see how accurate this is

I really struggle with the theory that Earth/Aionios = Mira, because Mira has several moons, while Aionios only has one (even though you explained why but I find it a bit strange) and the end of Future Redeemed, when Bionis and Alrest merge, we can distinguish the continents of Earth on Alrest then on Aionios, notably Africa, so I don't think Aionios = Mira

@JBspherefreak

8 ай бұрын

Mira is more like...the same thing as Aionios. Being a Future version is the technical answer which is why I included it in the video (Thinking it was the simpler explaination) but Mira is effectively a collection of planets fused together like Aionios was. Technically its a different landmass then Aionios but it would have been constructed the same and thus could be considered a future version of it

@ltb1345

7 ай бұрын

The continents probably started out how they'd been on earth before the split, but shifted after millions of years. The Mechonis rings still stand in Oblivia.

This is my favorite Xeno Theory out there right now. Peak

I think in the end we can say nothing about what MS is cooking and its great. The saga fans want a saga remake or so and the x fans want an x so they are arguing against each others. The games told us: let us see what the future holds, hand in hand.. we dont need to know the future

I guess that from this point on it could go in any direction. Depending on the next game that MS will release. May that be XCXDE or simply going with XC4 and continuing from the teaser in the post credit scene in FR... only the future will tell us. Maybe even next year, who knows haha Fantastic video man :)

The way I see it, Xenoblade is using things from Xenosaga and Xenoblade X as a part of its own timeline without directly connecting to them. But if it were to connect to one of the games I believe that Saga would be much more likely

@JBspherefreak

8 ай бұрын

Probably will be the way they go but I still felt the need to clarify things. Also, why do you see Saga is more likely even tho it has way more contradictions then X?

@hyliastone286

8 ай бұрын

​@@JBspherefreakI can't speak for them but I can speak for myself - Saga needs far more fixes to itself anyway, so a remake with Xenoblade gameplay that introduces some retcons and fixes all the issues and inconsistencies within itself as well as with wider Xenoblade just makes sense imo. I do love your theory, though, and it is possible that both stories may yet be canon to the Klaus Saga in some way.

@RudiMyDear

8 ай бұрын

@@hyliastone286 Saga already finished doing all it's self retcons though; mainly through 1+2, so I don't really see that as the case anymore.

@hyliastone286

8 ай бұрын

@@RudiMyDear 1 + 2 is a lower budget game that never released outside of Japan and lacks voice acting. Its rough story along with the basic plot of 3 and Missing Year would make the perfect foundation for a Xenosaga DE, with extra content included clarifying what exactly happened prior to the loss of Lost Jerusalem and clearing up any inconsistencies

@AstralXen

8 ай бұрын

@@JBspherefreak i haven't played Saga myself but I know the story beats and I know someone who absolutely LOVES Saga and has loved it since childhood. They have said that their weren't any major contradictions other than Dmitri Yuriev being in Earth. I still think that the Earth in Xenoblade X isn't some new Earth.

I haven’t played Xenosaga longer than two hours and I love XB:X as much as the next guy, but this still hasn’t convinced me since your last video. I think the Bandai Namco and Xenosaga credits in Future redeemed are enough for me to side with Xenosaga for the time being. I do have a question to ask though. What do you make of Telethia being in Mira?

@JBspherefreak

8 ай бұрын

I see, well ultimately the decision lies with each person. As for the Telethia, it's likely just one of the remenants from Future Connected. If Earth 1.0 is Assimilated like I mentioned, then it would explain how and why that Telethia is there

Elma being a BLADE could explain her desire to protect humanity as much as she does

I do think the ghosts are connected to a previous iteration of origin, but I don’t think there’s enough to go on.

@JBspherefreak

8 ай бұрын

Oh absolutely, theres so much which is still just a blank which is why we can't make any final conclusions

My theory (without having watched the video yet, this theory is based on a Luxin theory I heard a while back), is that at the end of the universe, the Xenosaga humanity used the Origin from Xenoblade 3 to store their souls. By doing so, they were able to store their souls past the end of the universe and then they, somehow, arrived at the beginning of the Xenoblde X unverse where they became known as the Samarians.

One problem is the White Whale is an American (USA) Ark with inside it the city of New Los Angeles, maybe even because it launches near LA. Thus Earth 2 is indeed Earth, and we are back at the problem with both the experiment and Earth's destruction. Unless Earth 2 is actually really Earth 2, (partially) settled by the USA which named a city NLA (referencing the one on Earth). City which the White Whale's one would be named after. Totally improbable but hilarious idea.

@ltb1345

7 ай бұрын

Yeah, I think the diverging timeline theory makes more sense due to this.

Book of death and Rebirth living rent free in my head

@RudiMyDear

8 ай бұрын

MOOD

Yeah that's a pretty neat theory. I still think the Star is Kos-Mos but I do think the next entry will be something like a Mix of the untold future of X and the undold Arc of Xenosaga. I also like your idea of Mira beign Origin bc I think so too, but I dislike the idea of it beign the same Aionios as in 3, bc it would feel kind of redundant for the Worlds to Mergentheim and be free just to be sucked into Origin again. I think it should be Like some other Planet.

god, I hope not. I feel like ever since the Marvel movies, the idea of "everything is connected" has gotten worse and games just aren't allowed to stand on their own anymore. and while, Xenoblade 3 was designed to be a part of the trilogy, I felt its connections to the first two games drug it down. I can't imagine how much of a negative effect trying to tie X to the Klaus trilogy would drag down X's concepts

@JBspherefreak

8 ай бұрын

I mean...Xenoblade X was never a game that necessarily stood on its own 🤷‍♂️ if it was a different series, it would have been titled something different ("Xenomira" or something) but they chose to still use the Blade manifesto and so I believe it always has and always will be connected In fact, Takahashi reportedly wrote more Lore for this game then any other before it and it was around this time when Xenoblade 3's image of the Urayan Whale and the Mechonis Sword were drafted so it's likely that they are all part of one Narrative already

@earlyriser03

7 ай бұрын

⁠​⁠@@JBspherefreakeh…I’d have to disagree with the sentiment that X could never have been considered a standalone title. Especially when, upon release, it was clear it wasn’t a direct sequel to Blade and, until Future Redeemed, it had no established narrative connection to its numbered sequels. However, it was seen as a continuation of the Blade series and its broader themes, as well as a broader spiritual successor to Gears and Saga and their themes, which are overarching throughout Xeno-series games. Furthermore, we have long running series with numerous spin-offs and even numbered sequels like Dragon Quest and Final Fantasy where basically every entry is standalone, yet many have shared elements, with only some installments receiving direct narrative sequels (4, 7, 10, 12, 13) and even fewer being retroactively connected to each other (7 to 10). The reason it wasn’t given another moniker like “Xenomira” is, in my opinion, twofold. First, brand recognition. Second, Blade was largely a blank canvas back then and could be whatever the team wanted it to be. I feel folks might be doing a revisionist history when claiming the games were always narratively connected when 8 years ago that was not supported by anything we’d seen or heard until Future Redeemed.

@JBspherefreak

7 ай бұрын

@@earlyriser03 You forget about a lot of the history surrounding these games however. Xenoblade 3 or at least the main concept of it was written up between the release of Xenoblade 1 and 2 which is when X released. It was also reported that Takahashi wrote by FAR the most amount of Lore and story that he ever had for Xenoblade X yet most of it is never used and the game is practically only half finished after being converted into a semi-MMO. Thirdly, X has lots and I mean LOTS of connections to Xenoblade 1 and other games in many different forms. Whilst many could just be considered for now, it’s un-disputable that all if this Lore and content could come back around in the future and be relevant As for your point on the game at the time, I also remotely disagree. Whilst Xenoblade was indeed a new game as this was its first sequel, in terms of the Xeno overarching franchise, it was not. I don’t believe personally that this is enough to discount it. The Klaus Saga is clear evidence that Xenoblade isn’t like final fantasy or dragon quest as most stories are interconnected in one way or another with each new story using a different name. Whilst Blade could be used for as you say “brand” recognition, do recall that at the time, Xenoblade wasn’t all that big. In fact Chugga had only just finished his let’s play which was the start of its popularity along with smash. I thinks it’s fair to say based on Takahshi’s previous experience of naming new stories differently like gears, saga and blade that if X was intended to to COMPLETELY separate, then they would have used a different name especially with how drastically different the direction ultimately ended up in. Back in 2014/2015, Blade really didn’t carry much weight and was VERY unknown to most people. Simply using the parentheses of “Xeno” would have been enough for that recognition

@earlyriser03

7 ай бұрын

@@JBspherefreak I don’t think you understand my issue. Yes, we can say the games are connected NOW after FR tied everything together and Takahashi explained that it was the plan all along. However, back then, upon the release of X in 2015, outside of shared themes that all Xeno-series games possess, there was no narrative connection, let alone any shared continuity like we saw previously with Saga and later with Blade 2 and 3. This is a fact that even you concede, as X’s place in the overall Blade continuity is messy and you had to dive deep into your imagination to attempt to connect the dots which, as of right now, are still unconfirmed and only speculation on what might be written, regardless of how fascinating it is. Yes, the Xeno-series games had been around nearly 15 years at that point, but Blade, like Saga before it, was still its own beast. And in 2015, X was (and still is in a very real sense) also its own thing, taking another massive shift in setting and divorcing itself from the narrative continuity of the Klaus Saga while retaining many of the same themes and tropes of all Xeno-series games before it. In 2015, it wasn’t known by the public what direction Takahashi and team were going to take the series and it wasn’t until 2017’s Blade 2 announcement that we understood the continuity of the first game would continue while X’s was left hanging. The truth is neither the Xeno nor Blade names were that big back then either. Both were cult hits. However, if you’ll recall, Blade was part of a major North American grassroots campaign, Operation Rainfall, to get it and two other Japanese games released there during a time when Nintendo’s NA branch wasn’t doing much to bring unique experiences to the Wii console. Out of those 3 games, Blade sold the most and showed the most promise. So really, I’ll revise my claim and say that the Blade part of the name being retained was almost solely for brand recognition. For Xeno-series vets that knew the pedigree behind it, it was already understood that the themes of prior games would be present. But I maintain that nobody outside of Takahashi and his team knew where the series would actually go once X dropped and any claims of connection between it and Blade 1, 2, and 3, outside of obvious themes and homages, up until FR revealed its messy radio lore dump, of course, were only speculating then and cannot fully parse how it all fits even with these new revelations today. It really will need to take a Blade 4 or X2 for us to fully understand how all of it connects.

@spk_eze

Ай бұрын

In my view, Xenoblade 3 retroactively connected 1 and 2 in a way that made the entire trilogy more satisfying. Just my opinion. I don't think tying all 3 together made the final entry worse.

If you look at the post credit scene of the game where everything is all destroyed before they got here that Elma says I don’t remember what she says. She says something about everything all messed up before they arrive to Mira It is most likely this was n doing because we don’t know what happened to N after future redeemed it is most likely he ended up on Mira to do something.

Watching this chanting "YES! YES! YES! YES!" All the way till the end. If this isn't Takahashi's plan, he needs to relinquish the series to you.

Simple it's just a pocket dimension just like the xenoblade 1 universe as shown in the cutscene where 2 balls of light merge at the start of the game you can see multiple versions of it meaning its probably a pocket dimension

@lpfan4491

7 ай бұрын

To just throw "pocket dimension" at every issue(And non-issue, since 2 wasn't originally one, but was made one by the plot of 3) is going to get boring real fast.

This is probably the best theory I've seen and may move me away from my existing idea for what Mira is. Actually, your idea for Mira is very similar to mine. The difference is the placement in the timelines. I consider the chronology between Gears, Saga, Blade, and X to be a product of evolution across different timelines with the process of biology mechanizing and eventually completely digitizing with the timelines for accelerating and advancing faster with each iteration. Gears is episode 5 out of 6 and chronologically is well after Saga, but the technology of Saga is well beyond anything Gears showed as lost technology could be capable but the progress made through Gears is present in Saga, and the same cane be said about the following series as well. An example would be genetic/mechanical human augmentation. Gears results in anthropohorrific chimeras with nonstop agony, Saga has synthetic life with remnants of similar side effects gradually being phased out. Humans on Mira exist with the Lifehold destroyed in mechanical bodies, XC1 has bioandroids, XC2's entire premise, and so forth. So, a universe reset occurs and the new one uses information from the past versions to create a compressed mixture. Throughout U-DO gains more power progressively, eventually contaminating XC1/2's world via Fog King and after many universal resets becomes Zed as it's final evolution. X establishes everyone on Mira originate from existing people, but you never learn anything about the avatar. U-DO's actions are in service of collecting data, which is the entire premise of X while using a character with no original body. So my theory is that Mira isn't Aionios, but is more along the lines of a beta-Aionios earlier in the timeline and the avatar represents the beginning of U-DO's contamination reaching its first attempt to create its own avatar, making the X avatar original personification of U-DO. Since the Fog King didn't reach the Bionis until FC, I'm inclined to believe Zed comes from a 3rd world with no Klaus experiment and an origin entirely composed of data from other worlds. Or maybe as the location U-DO's collected data is stored, acting as a counterbalance to Aionios in the way Alrest and the Bionis counterbalance each other.

So... i don't get it. How do you explain project Exodus that came into existence when leaving the world being part of both games again? It's 1 a.m. here, and I'm kinda confused.

@JBspherefreak

8 ай бұрын

I see Project Exodus on Klaus' World merely as a reference. That Project could have been called anything but I believe it is simply a Throwback to X like all of the Saga references also

I thought that the earthlife colonization project was the organization behind project exodus in Xenoblade X?

@JBspherefreak

3 ай бұрын

No it was the Coalition Government who set the plan in motion. Each smaller section of the Goverment (Basically each Country or Authority or whatever you wanna call it) could decide on their own direction, for example the American White Whale using the Lifehold. On top of that, there were ECP officials who likely partook in the whole thing but it was most certainly a joint effort

While I’m someone how would rather have no direct connections to X or other xeno IP’s, and instead would rather see elements used in a new way (kind of like how xenoblade 3 uses a lot from xenogear’s narrative) I would LOVE your idea for the future entree. I believe wholeheartedly that a game that centers around intergalactic humans coming back to lost Jerusalem finding it to be inhabited by the descendants of the xenoblade characters is a must. But in all honesty I’ve just put my absolute faith in monolith to deliver good shit all the time.

@ltb1345

7 ай бұрын

X really needs a direct sequel.

I love this theory I really do. Heck l'm even on board with there being a 2nd Earth, but sadly this theory falls apart when you drop Mira's sky into the equation, literally. Everytime I wanna find out if a fiction/sci-fi game takes place on Earth I'll just look for the moon in the night sky, which is in fact the case for all Xenoblades except X. There is no doubt that Aionios takes place on Earth, you can confirm it by doing exactly what I said before. However in order for Mira to be the future of Aionios 1 of 2 things must have happened...Either the Ganglion, the Ghosts, the Samarians or Mira itself are casting a huge hologram depicting the various celestial bodies surrouding Mira's sky(which I doubt)....Or maybe Earth was Yeeted into deep space by an unknown force OR the massive gravitational anomaly that must have occurred right after both worlds combined into one (which makes more sense) After this I can only imagine that by using the power of Origin they might have been able to find a stable orbit on another star system after thousands of years wandering through the cosmos. Edit: After going further into the video I noticed you mentioned my concern. I honestly don't know what to think anymore lol. Let's Hope Xeno X2 or Xeno 4 however they choose to call it gets announced soon.

I definitely think they'll continue X at some point and very likely connect the two sagas together. Your theory is pretty sound and does explain why Mira is a combination of multiple planets including the world from the main Xenoblade series. There are Landmarks that resemble parts of the Mechonis and some that resemble the Bionis as well, not to mention Tatsu mentions Frontier Village and Homs so we might eventually see them in X2. I also agree that they're bringing Dimitri Yuriev back at some point in the near future. I can see them doing that in Xenoblade 4 which will probably connect the main series to Xenoblade X. Though I think the latter is very likely releasing first since it's 10th anniversary is 2025 and it'll probably be a Switch 2 exclusive. I also think they'll be adding another continent to the game to flesh out the Ghosts a bit more. The Ghosts also somewhat resemble Ouroboros a bit too so I can see that concept making a comeback with the Vita also being related to the ghosts. Though I do think X DE will still leave us on the same cliffhanger with an X2 coming a few years later to wrap up that story. Speaking of Dimitri Yuriev I also think Xenosaga HD isn't too far off either and we'll probably hear something about that next year because if it were greenlit around the same time Baten Kaitos was it would take until next year or the year after for that remaster to be finished. There's 1 more game than BK and all 3 would require more work to remaster than those games as well so that timeline makes sense to me. This is assuming they actually got greenlit though. It just doesn't make much sense that BK would get remastered and Xenosaga wouldn't as well though as it's very niche by comparison.

@JBspherefreak

8 ай бұрын

I agree with pretty much all of this. Your clearly someone who understands 8the Lore of the series and where its going so 👍 nice job As for Xenosaga HD, I most certainly don't mind it as a release but I'm now skeptical after Baten Kaitos' Sales. Others want to say that doesn't make much of a difference considering Xenosaga's popularity but from Bandai's perspective, it makes all the differences as they're in it for the money

@SacrificAbominat

8 ай бұрын

@@JBspherefreak Thanks, though I'm mostly just speculating as I always kind of assumed Mira was at the very least the world of Xenoblade 1 in the distant future due to those landmarks and mentions. They could also just be cheeky easter eggs as well and never be expanded upon in a DE or sequel either. I think that's fine as I didn't mind that Xenoblade 3 didn't lean too heavily on the lore from 1 and 2 and did it's own thing. Though Future Redeemed was definitely a great fanservice DLC for those games. Yeah I think the Xeno series is popular enough that Nintendo could convince Bandai Namco to remaster Xenosaga, and probably also do that with Xenogears in regards to Square Enix as well. I think the Baten Kaitos remaster is more or less a sign of a deal Nintendo did with them to bring Monolith's Bandai Namco games to the Switch. Even if it does poorly I don't see that as a reason they wouldn't consider Xenosaga since it's pretty obvious that the fanbase for BK is much smaller than the Xeno series. If it does do well I can see remasters of other more niche series being more likely to happen though. I'm still kind of hoping for a remaster of the original 4 .hack games personally. As for Xenogears I think the Star Ocean 2 remake is a sign that that might be in the works as well since it's got a style similar to what I'd like to see in a Xenogears remake. That's completely up to Square though and I kind of doubt they'll do anything Xenogears related without Monolith's input on it since I think they have a lot of respect for their former colleagues work.

X is the core reason Xenoblade Chronicles had a sequel to the original

@JBspherefreak

8 ай бұрын

How'd you mean?

@JustJulyo

8 ай бұрын

@@JBspherefreak X gave us a reason to believe in a Xenoblade 2 and allowed the team to feel out what the public wanted as it lead the Fandom to speculate about the world of Xenoblade

Future redeemed pretty much made it canon, along with the Xenosaga trilogy

@JBspherefreak

8 ай бұрын

Xenosaga has too many contradicting elements to make it CANON however. Too much in that game doesn't line up with the Blade Series if we're to believe that both ran alongside one another

@prof.laytonfan764

8 ай бұрын

@@JBspherefreak Fair enough but I think that if they do all become canon then that would still be less confusing than the Plot of Kingdom Hearts. Just saying

Isnt X what happens if klaus doesn’t split earth?

@JBspherefreak

8 ай бұрын

No?? Klaus didn't Restart the universe, he performed his experiment which split his planet into two halves, one matter and the other Anti-Matter

@KaiserWright

8 ай бұрын

@@JBspherefreak that’s what I meant but still isn’t that what x is?

@JBspherefreak

8 ай бұрын

No I don't believe so, if it was then the Alien Races should have been present in Xenoblade 2 during that exposition cutscene so that isn't correct

@KaiserWright

8 ай бұрын

@@JBspherefreak that’s true because if so then how did the nopon get there?(I didn’t play x)

@JBspherefreak

8 ай бұрын

@@KaiserWright As I explained in the Video, Earth 1.0 or Aionios after Xenoblade 3 was the First Planet (In terms of this Theory) to be assimilated back into Origin and so the Nopon present here simply continued to live here on Mira which is their home. This also lines up with XC3 as most Nopon in Aionios seem immune to Z's power

Since you played all the xeno games, what are your thoughts on xenosaga episode 1 and 2?

@JBspherefreak

8 ай бұрын

Xenosaga 1 is pretty good and I like the bit where Virgil Survives until the Kukai Foundation bit and Xenosaga 2 is better as a Movie then a game

I mean the two Earths is really simple. Klaus blew it gets repaired. And that repaired Earth is the one in X

@JBspherefreak

8 ай бұрын

That leads to different contonuity errors however like the fact that ONLY Humans were present on the XCX earth so no Gormotti or Blades or anything like that. Future Redeemed even mentioned that as far as hereditry traits go, Core Crystals are dominant so its not like they'd likely disappear

Erm NUHUH 🤓

I think the only major things you are actually correct about is the Ghost's ship being _an_ Origin, functionally speaking, and Mira being _an_ Aionios. But I think the rest of the convoluted theory about multiple Earths, X's Earth complete with a United States and a Los Angeles being a colony, the Saamarian's being the other colonists who set out, is complete nonsense. It also again, doesn't fit with Xenosaga lore either, especially as we know Earth-like planets are fairly common in Xenosaga as well and your theory depends on them being very rare. And we know, factually, that Xenoblade and Xenosaga _are_ directly connected. And the FR postcredits supports that, as the ending literally lines up with the Xenosaga 3 ending, complete with Xenosaga style music, sung by a woman linked to Xenogears and Saga, with IP licensing outright saying it's Xenosaga, which makes the mote of light KOS-MOS.

@JBspherefreak

8 ай бұрын

Xenoblade and Xenosaga are not tied together. You have to look at the facts with multiple Zohars (That don't exist), and Grimoire Verum not being replaced by Klaus (Because Missing Year) and Rennes Le Chateu. Xenosaga is not Canon to the Blade series WITHOUT Major Changes and Ret-Cons. It is not a fact, it is what most people choose to believe at this moment time which is their perogative. Are we actually using a style of Music to confirm one game is tied to the other whilst ignoring the factual lore of the games 🤦‍♂️ the IP stuff is all nonsense also but I'm wasting my breath aren't I...

@badlatency9979

8 ай бұрын

@@JBspherefreak none of it contradicts, we only need there to be multiple experiments, and the Zohar moved after GV's experiments. Multiple Zohars are a problem, but FR establishes that the Trinity Processors are structurally similar and can be used to build a pseudo-Zohar like Origin. It's possible then that Klaus' experiment _split_ the Zohar similar to how Ontos split or similar to Pneuma. There is thus precident and can be used to explain one Zohar going to Miltia and one still on Earth. The Chateu can remain the Chateu, there is no real contradiction there I know of. The Music, especially the ones with lyrics, are always a part of the canon storytelling. Every single song holds canonical infornation. And yes, I do think the IP licensing is important, it means they licensed the IP and that the game that explicitly says that it's part of Xenosaga is part of Xenosaga.

Might need to read X as not. Xenoblade (NOT)

Dimitri repurposes the ghost into Deus. Thus he can wield power to defeat God and replace it as well with the power to terraform worlds and create new life. Perhaps Kos-Mos is repurposed into a new type of Anima Relic or core system which allows for the evolution of certain beings or special mecha like Xenogears.

It could be in the same universe as baten kaitos. Humans are the only ones who can use ether.

I don’t that having every character die for a second time in the exact way they did at the beginning of 3 just to make X canon is that great of an idea. I think that it would be pretty sloppy storytelling and would make everything that the characters in 3 did pointless. Having the characters succeed splitting the worlds apart just for them to remerge with mobius back in control is just bad storytelling. It’s like if at the end of lord of the rings sauron just came back to life, killed all the main characters and took over middle earth, it doesn’t make much sense and the whole trilogy feel pointless. Or a better example what Star Wars did with palpatine, with them just bringing him back with no explanation. It would be the same with Mobius, bringing them back for no reason. It’s more likely that the worlds of 1 and 2 just merged back into earth just with the bionis and alrest on it. It feels like that’s what the game is trying to say and not “everyone dies, here’s X, the end.”

Too many problems that have already been said in the comments. Xenoblade 4 (to 6 maybe) is just going to include elements of both Xenosaga and X. The ghost spacecraft doesn't look like origin outside of both being a sphere. At this point it's just wishful thinking and fan fiction based on zero evidence. Nothing better to be disappointed in the next game. I love Xenoblade X but I don't need it to be a part of the mainline games. If they used the name "Xenoblade Chronicles" it's just a marketing decision, Final Fantasy games share the name without being connected. (After all, the name "Xenoblade" was already a marketing decision back then) To expand the universe of Xenoblade 1 they made 2 with that idea in mind, they didn't went out of their way to fit X. They'll just do the same again. I appreciate the passion but it's not a good idea to start getting hype from nothing.

@ltb1345

7 ай бұрын

The problem is that X ended on a cliffhanger, which is why it desperately needs a sequel regardless of whether or not it's in the same universe as the Klaus saga. That's why people are worried that 4-6 will come out and "adapt" X and Saga, since that would all but confirm that the original story of X is dead, and stuck in an unfinished state.

@redlinkAS

7 ай бұрын

Doesn't change the fact that linking X to the trilogy is way too far fetched. The "fans" didn't bought the game back then, what is the point to continue a story that people hated ? I'm just trying to look at the facts. Don't get me wrong, I'm a fan of the first hour but the "fans" are more interested in the fan service of Xenoblade 2 than the mystery behind Mira.

@monolithsoft_guy

3 ай бұрын

"I don't need it to be part of the mainline games" doesn't matter, either it is or it isn't. And right now, a lot of things point towards it being very connected to the other games.

Excellent theory. Should be required viewing by believers and nonbelievers alike.

Why do you bother inventing an earth 2.0 when you could just have the samarian come from the mainline Xenoblade Universe to a new one through some Ontos phase transition shenanigans ?