A few remarks based on input received in the comments: 1. An important point not covered it the video: Not all protein is equal. Different sources of protein are processed differently by the body due to varying absorption rates and levels of essential and non-essential amino acids. Therefore, you should not base your diet choices solely on the protein amounts shown in the tables of this video! I recommend that you combine them with your own research as well 2. At 04:14, I state that flour isn't a good source of protein. It should be noted that flour can be processed into seitan, which has a much higher protein rate. Therefore, the argument is only valid under the assumption that we are not processing the product further. 3. The vitamin, mineral and dietary fiber contents of the products were out of scope for this video 4. At 00:35, I state that "Avoiding meat and dairy is the single biggest way to reduce our environmental impact on earth". The sentence should have been rephrased to "According to a study, ..." as it is not an absolute fact, but the conclusion of a single study

@markusklyver6277

Жыл бұрын

This video basically just says that any normal person can have a balanced and healthy vegan diet.

@jimmy_james0007

Жыл бұрын

If your not breaking down numbers using the bioavailability of different proteins then you are not getting realistic numbers. If you wanted useful data then you would have to run your current numbers with something like PDCAAS, which while flawed would've given you much better stats. Take my opinion with a grain of salt though, as I'm not a nutritionists and only have minimal knowledge on the topic.

@lelouchsiege

Жыл бұрын

The rigor is commendable.

@lelouchsiege

Жыл бұрын

@@jimmy_james0007 you'll need to make several combinations of foods that fit the optimal nutritional needs of humans at the cheapest cost to cater to the concept of choice or you could simply live like how a livestock lives and eat the most cheapest combination available at a given location. I know these are not stats, sorry if I bothered you I just want to point out a simple suggestion for those interested in cheap nutrition.

@jimmy_james0007

Жыл бұрын

@@lelouchsiege I don't really understand what you are trying to say. Of course choice is an important factor, but if your aim is to find the cheapest and most healthy food possible then choice is irrelevant. For the average Jo this cost/nutrients are not really important but for organisation who care a great deal about things like this, for example governments and WHO, this stuff is really important and as such have standard methods to measure these factors. The OP used none of these methods and instead came up with his own which is almost completely useless without the protein availability factored in as well.

This is actually a fun project. As someone whose working in data science and is into food/nutrition. I really appreciate the flow. Especially when you made it into a 3d scatter plot.

Such a great video. I loved that you plotted a third variable. I think a video exploring more of the cheapest vegan foods would be very interesting.

Hey, I just wanted to mention that I really enjoyed this video and hope you'll continue to make many more! As someone with a research background in psych/neuro cog, I appreciate how you present everything and disclose possible limitations in what you're talking about

Can't believe this is the first video on this channel, very well put together and practical.

Very nice analyses. And guess what, the video was followed directly by an advertisement of... you guessed it, Albert Heijn!

Never subbed under 1k before. I feel like a VIP. I appreciate the entertaining but informative nature of your video. As someone who eats vegan 95% of the time, I appreciate you voicing facts about how beneficial a vegan diet can be for our planet.

I just want to express my respect the effort you put into making these quilty videos, from animations to dubbing, explanations to the content. Its just amazing. Keep it up !

I think one flawed aspect with these statistics is the fact that flour isn't edible on its own. You need to mix it in water and bake/cook it to create whatever you want. Unless you make bread or pasta at home, it's not a good element for this research as things like bread or pasta do cost more. Other than that, amazing video

The animations are great and easy to understand. Also great research!

the effort is insane and makes the video so fascinating to watch. tysm for such a nice, informative video. more exiting than most of the videos on KZread

Amazing! I learned a lot and really enjoyed the no-BS approach, presenting everything with data. Your approach to the protein-fat-carbon analysis really blew my mind! Please keep releasing more videos 🙏

I just stumbled onto this channel today and I'm utterly fascinated. Good work!

If you factor in the billions of dollars subsidizing the corn, industrial farm meat, and dairy industries... that would reduce the REAL affordability of these products.

@garfreld

Жыл бұрын

He isnt in america though.

@DerekHardwick

Жыл бұрын

Europe also has significant subsidies for these categories. From what I can tell (older study), they may even have more direct subsidies for meat and eggs (page 23 of this: www.ers.usda.gov/webdocs/outlooks/40408/30643_wrs0404c_002.pdf?v=5505 ).

@neyo9842

11 ай бұрын

​@@DerekHardwickso if you include those subsidiaries meat should be even more expensive for the buck

@DanielSultana

11 ай бұрын

Correct, even when considering the fact that he checked prices in a European country rather than the US, meat is only affordable due to subsidies. It's easy to reason out why, wheat (thus flour) comes from literal grass, cattle eat grass. You need to raise cattle on grass, a lifetime of eating said grass, just to kill it and eat meat once (sure you'd feed more than a family, but it's only done once). One might argue that flour is a highly refined product, and to a certain extent it is, however the amount of refineing boils down to harvest, trashing (seperating the germ) and grinding. All historically done with either hand tools or wind power. Cattle requires feeding for weeks/months of pretty much the same product. The cow's body does the refining thus we don't really see it happening, then we kill and butcher the meat. It looks equal or even less, but one does not really consider what the body of the animal is doing to the feed to convert it into meat. Traditional cattle used to graze on hills where only grass could grow. I don't have data on how much farming is done to grow feed for cattle, but it is obvious that it is way more than what tradition dictates

@DanielSultana

11 ай бұрын

I believe that if you consider the traditional county system, where rural people used to keep chickens for eggs, and feed them left over food scraps, including the inedible parts of vegetables, such as stalks and leafs, along with any spoiled products, so essentially waste. Then eggs would be the cheapest source of protein

Such a great idea for a video. Really nice production quality as well. I was wondering how you did the animation of the graphs and you even gave resources and software at the end. Brilliant

Fantastic content so far, really appreciate how many things you disclose, it really paints the picture of the analysis so much better.

Great video! I think another good way of exploring the difference in price between the two diets would've been to compare the prices of the cheapest combinations of foods that comprise a balanced macro intake, that being ~1000kcal from carbs and ~500kcal from both protein and fat each. You could then get a more concrete idea of whether an omnivorous or vegan diet is more affordable at the cheapest level.

@davidversteegen

Жыл бұрын

I fully agree, great idea; if you eat wholegrain bread and oatmeal, you already take in a lot more proteins 'cheaply', compared to people that eat white bread for instance

@Miaumiau3333

11 ай бұрын

I was thinking the same! But it seems difficult to evaluate all combinations of foods since it can become computationally intractable real quick.

Wonderful, quality and reliable work. Glad I found this channel in it's infancy.

Dude this is amazing. Thank you. Also, making the data available for us is huge. Good luck with growing this channel

Very interesting conclusion. Keep up the good work, simply put with great visuals 👌

I really love your style (explanations, animations, visualization, sounds, letting viewers guess and your progress through the data/video). Beautiful 3D analysis! Please keep on like that! As addition to your analysis: It may be possible to get cheap vegan protein, but you also have to consider the sheer amount of mass you would have to eat. Nobody can eat, let's say, 5kg/day of rice/potatoes/... just to get enough proteins. Even 1 kg beans that get heavier when bioled in water. And protein shakes/powder with concentrated (vegan) proteins (with a human-friendly protein profile of mixed vegan sources) could be taken into consideration. In my own calculation, cheaper protein powder (500g with ~70% protein for 10€) is very cheap in comparison to eggs, cheese, ham and stuff.

Love your graphs and data! Super simple to understand with the animation as well

@tbraghavendran

Жыл бұрын

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Very good animations & explanations! I would have loved it if you would have coloured the data points on the plots in 2 different colours to see a general distribution of the data points. Summing up very similar items into single data points would also have given more information in the top 2 lists. Keep up the good work 👏

Great video to start your channel! Keep going! I'm looking to see more :)

I’ve been tracking my calories for over 6 years, fastidiously looking at macronutrients for a plethora of foods over the years. This video was very well made and informative!

I'd love to see more of this! "This" meaning "videos that objectively analyze data, show sources if appropriate and mention if information is simplified or unrealistic". Video and Audio quality is very high! I like that! Content quality also seems very high (did not verify sources).

Randomly found this video, very valid points, keep up the data quest!

Great analysis and nice data visuals too, subbed! Now I just need AH to open a store in the center of Brussels :D

Great video. Very interesting topic, nice animations, good commenting voice and sturdy data to back it all up. Keep up the good work 👍

Really good video and I'm glad you acknowledged where you fell short with the information in the comments. I look forward to your next video!

A great first video. I hope you get 100k subs before the end of this year.

This is great! You got something special started, keep it up!

Wow this is an amazing video, I loved when you made the 3D scatter plot.

Beautiful analysis and editing!

Pleaseee post more videos , being an aspiring data analyst myself i love the videos you are making

this is amazing! Kepp up the good work!

Wow what a great video. Instantly subbed and very excited to see more from you!

Very useful information! Thank you for compiling this

Very nice video! I loved every bit of it! Please continue with more videos and let the channel grow.

Thank you for making this. I appreciate the clarity, the visuals and the summation. I am going to subscribe to this channel. If you have a patreon, I am happy to pledge some dollars if it means you can keep making these.

Great content, you're going to make it to 1 million subs very quick at this rate! I recommend looking at decreasing your mics bass in the EQ as it's quite boomy!

@memeabledata

11 ай бұрын

Thanks for the hint!

Great video. I’ve been vegan for nearly 12 years and always found it strange when people think it’s expensive - it’s not as your video demonstrates.

This was great! I'm looking forward to more.

thank you bro. this is a real thing that I've always been looking for in regards to data 😂 for real and you crazy! the way you present, collected e picked the data is crazy

Nice video! I started with your most recent video on dating apps, so I figured I might as well watch the first. I subscribed!

Great job! Really interesting idea 🤙

Phenomenal analysis and visuals. What tools did you use to generate the visuals? They looked great! Especially the animations and 3D graphs

@memeabledata

Жыл бұрын

Thanks! You can check the credits at 9:50, I used multiple programs. The 3D animations (including the scatter plots) were made in Blender (scripted with Python)

Thanks! Really like your content and the clean aesthetics. Chapeau!

@memeabledata

11 ай бұрын

Thank you very much!

Incredible content. Keep it up!

Wow you really put a lot of effort into that video. Thank you

The conclusion I am drawing from this is to run to AH to buy more frikandellen 🤓

Super awesome video! Could you maybe do a video about the data downloading process from the website?

@memeabledata

9 ай бұрын

Thanks! I’m not planning on making a video on that but you can find the python code linked in the description

Sick editing and interesting content 😊

Bravo presentation of data. Just subscribed for your channel.

I subbed a 4.9k this is a reminder of how VIP I feel sir. Great video.

Such a well-made analysis. I really like your content. You just made a sub 👍

Such good presentation and analysis! Easy sub for me! I'm also going to forward to some nerdy friends. We love this stuff!

@memeabledata

11 ай бұрын

Thanks!

Daamn what a well done video. Great work

Fantastic dude. Good luck. I'm subbeded

Thank you for this code, I built a shopping app that I can use to help compare prices but this will automate the most time consuming part.

An interesting breakdown of the topic! 👌🏻

Such a great video, I'm subscribed! Thanks Luís

@memeabledata

Жыл бұрын

Thank you!

Omg. This was so well done!

Top video. It is all very well explained. You learn a lot of things and the conclusion is clearly not what you could expect.

Fantastic viz, well done Luis. And AH forever!

Great video, though I think that you also left out another major factor which can impact the choices that people make: time and transportation. I don't know about the Netherlands, but here in the US food deserts are a huge issue especially in lower-income communities. Since a lot of affordable fresh produce and other high-quality foods are often located in supermarkets where you need a car to get to, this poses a huge barrier to people who don't drive due to financial or other reasons. As a result, they're more likely to rely on the local corner store that sells highly-processed foods.

@mazi2646

11 ай бұрын

Transportation is not an issue and The Netherlands is in the top 5 of biggest agricultural exporters worldwide. So enough food.

@mayhu3282

10 ай бұрын

That's probably true for the US, but I think it doesn't apply to most countries in Europe where we have a good, varied supply in many different brands of supermarkets. And probably it explains the very different rate of obesity in the EU vs US. In the case of the Netherlands, the generalized use of bicycles by people of all ages might be a confounding variable though 😅

Great video! Subscribed.

Muito interessante. Bom take sobre o assunto . Tens de incluir a soja agora 👍

Really good video! There are so many further things one could consider. One of them is: Different foods have their macronutrients in different ways so the human nody cannot absorb all of them in the same way. So some protein sources may be hard to process and not all of the protein gets absorbed.

How do u make your videos man it's really good

@memeabledata

Жыл бұрын

Thanks! I’m making my animations in Blender. You can find more information in the first link in the description

You kinda missed one big point. Vegans are used to traditionally doing a lot of post-purchase processing, requiring a bowl and water. So in the case of the cheapest, flour, source of protein they are washing out everything (the starch aka most of the carbs) at home to make the seitan out of it (just the gluten protein). So it isn't a lot of carbs and the macro split is completely different but the price is still dirt cheap. Being a vegan comes in two camps, junk food veganism IS expensive because the products are produced in much lower quantities, but traditional veganism is basically always the cheapest way to eat in nearly all location do to trophic effects, there's a few exceptions to this rule in secluded ecologies with extreme climates but outside those and with regards to every city dweller dependent on a global supply chain - it will always be true.

@memeabledata

Жыл бұрын

Thank you for your comment, I was not aware of how seitan is made. Having learned more about seitan I agree with you: It's probably not fair to label flour as bad source of cheap protein if you can easily process it into a higher protein source.

@collectionofatoms1876

Жыл бұрын

@@memeabledata I was very surprised to find that products like vital wheat gluten and textured vegetable protein didn't appear anywhere on your list, considering that that they are something like 75% protein and dirt cheap. I wonder if that store just doesn't stock them.

@esteijvers8045

Жыл бұрын

You're right, it doesn't stock them. None of the Dutch supermarkets do - there's generally a good selection of fake meats, but only the type you can just pan-fry without prior treatment.

Fantastic video! loved it ❤

Very nice video.What software did you use to create the animations?

@memeabledata

Жыл бұрын

Check the credits (9:50), I used multiple programs

Great vid, that detail and research is totally insane. Also, I'll keep meat in my personal menu...cuz it tastes mega awesome 😅

Very insightful!

Keep up the magnificent work - the sky's the limit!

Yo this channel's gonna pop off

wow!! Good work here, thank you.

Great video! Would this also be possible for products from Lidl or other dutch supermarkets? or for raw foods like vegetables and to make recipies?

@memeabledata

Жыл бұрын

Thank you! At the moment I am not planning to repeat this analysis for other supermarkets. It was quite time consuming to do it for a single supermarket :) Including recipes is also out of scope for this channel as my goal is not to recommend any particular combination of foods. I prefer to leave that up to the viewer

@davidversteegen

Жыл бұрын

@@memeabledata great thanks! I know a little bit of Python, so I might give it a try, although I expect Lidl and others to make it harder to collect the data. I might try Jumbo, I believe they also have more data on their website. Thanks, very inspiring video!

I think it is important to understand that every individual person is going to eat at a different price. Some are more crafty and put more effort into cooking than others. Some also need more/less calories. Some have absolutely no idea how to cook or be resourceful and they end up paying more for vegan branded foods that are expensive.

Top video, very interesting 👍🏽

Nice content! Can we learn more about vegetarian and pescotarian diets as well?

Appreciate the objective approach. I personally need a low carb diet so meat and dairy is a must for me. It's also difficult to take long term effect on health into the equation because it varies so wildly from person to person.

Nice approach and thanks for naming some of the problems about meat consumption and production at the start. Though not your focus, I would have loved a critical, science based view on "low carb", which basically is much less healthy than widely seen.

7:32 I'm surprised you haven't combined these metrics into "Price per unit of protein", it seems like an easier way of parsing thd data, but I suppose the end result is the same

Great video! Please make a video on how to make a vegan diet for bodybuilders

I liked your video and was nice made, but i will add one thing the problem with plant based proteins is the proteins that are coming from plants are not so good absorbed by the body, the best example is gluten proteins that comes from flour if you eat 100g of gluten protein your body will absorb only 54g, for beans is a little better is somewhere 80% of the protein your body can absorb, in my opinion the best option for plant based proteins is tofu or legumes, o try yo not eat so much meat and the solution for my is Beans and eggs to have my proteins.

@Tinky1rs

11 ай бұрын

It should be noted that recommended daily intake of protein already accounts for this lower bioavailability. The recommended daily intake is based on clinical outcome data, and most people get at least 40% of their protein from plant-based sources, and largely from grains or legumes. Another issue is that those bioavailability studies were often done on raw foods in rats. Not necessarily applicable to humans: it could be better or worse.

Very interesting video, thanks! I think it would had been interesting to mention that most vegan and vegetarian combine different types of protein sources. In my experience of now 11 months of almost vegan nutrition (around 95% whole plant based), I'm spending about half of what I was spending before. Also in the EU, so with a similar price structure to the one you studied.

Nice video! Greetings from NL

@memeabledata

11 ай бұрын

Thanks!

Micronutirients are more important than macronutrients. It's quite hard to get too little of any macronutrient, unless you are doing something really funky with your diet.

Awesome video!! 👌

More interesting than the single cheapest product would be the cheapest product mix to achive a viable diet. Maybe as much wheat/bread as possible offset with a small amount of expensive high protein food is better? Or is more of a medium protein content food cheaper? When things like vitamins are added to the equation quite a bit of number crunching would be required to get the optimal solution i think.

@memeabledata Do you have the link to why the contents stated on the packaging in terms of total energy often doesn't add up?

@memeabledata

Жыл бұрын

You can find the references in the link in the description or google the following: Glassman, Suzie. “Why Calories on Labels Don’t Always Add Up in Your Food Tracker

An average of 10K subs per video? Well done! ✔️

the scatter plot was fascinating to look at

u deserve more subs man

insanely well done

well, in czech republic it is completely different story and vegan diet is actually much more expensive. One thing to also point out is, that animal production is making vegan products production cheaper because of the fertilizers, which are coming from said animal production, which is really forgotten at many times.

It’s disgusting how many people have no problem with how animals are being held in industrial meat farming facilities as long as the meat is cheap

At 0:00 a legend was born