I witnessed a > 650 ft thumber back in 2003. I couldn't believe what I was seeing. It did a full spiral and then glided from its maximum height perfectly straight. Too bad the hole was 430 ft.

@Petri_Pennala

3 жыл бұрын

6 5 0 F E E T W T F

@doktarr

3 жыл бұрын

That was a great punch line.

@paulmueller7696

3 жыл бұрын

Damn

@gcoffey223

2 жыл бұрын

I can't thumber well YET but if I could, this is the disc FO SURE.

@AutobahnSHO

2 жыл бұрын

epic! :D

I want to see one of these in Simon Lizotte or Drew Gibson's hands.

@maxmotors9497

2 жыл бұрын

Lizotte for sure- with his signature disc it's right up his alley

Another well produced video Matt, especially on a 40° Celsius day! Nice explanation of the relationship between stability and parting line height - one of the more advanced topics for newcomers to the game. Keep up the great work!

The view count is absolutely insane compared to your other videos! Must be a cool feeling knowing you struck the right chord with this one!

@DiscGolfDownUnder

3 жыл бұрын

Haha. I commented after the Groove video that it looked like I was going to become the crazy disc review guy and asked for suggestions. That's where the Epics came from.

Don't forget - Aerobie sells the Aeropress coffee machine as well! Might be one of their best inventions :D

I have an Epic and a Groove in my collection (both early purchases in my disc golf life). lol. You just got a new sub.

Thanks Matt, someone had fun coming up with this idea and designing this disc.

@DiscGolfDownUnder

3 жыл бұрын

It's definitely something different and in a way it sorta works.

Good demonstration friend.

This reminds me of my friend throwing a Starlite boss in the grenade formation. He couldn't throw a disc farther unless it was that with grenade. It would fly up flip fly stable flip again and fly straight untestable and went about 600 feet. The first time I saw that throw I could not believe a disc could fly like that.

I have a couple epics and when you get that glide out on a thumber they’ll easily go 300-400 feet. I keep them around to have fun and show off but they aren’t practical and they are certainly inconsistent

A friend had one years ago and we messed around with it some and then eventually ditched it. It was a fun novelty, for a couple of rounds.

Guy in my home club can throw them things 500+ regularly.. its insane to watch

@DiscGolfDownUnder

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, in the right hands they can go crazy far and beautiful to watch.

@flipflat4814

3 жыл бұрын

Yes I've witnessed a local throwing this 500 + as well. If you have the arm for it, and the patience to figure out how to get it to do a double barrel roll they go for miles.

Love how you mark the release angle with your flight overlay. A very useful bit of info.

areobie makes the aero press coffee maker now. weird pivot but okay

I’ve seen this disc in person and it crazy easy to throw of 400

I believe this ring should be in the disc bag as the big dog driver. We need to push for better equipment materials and longer courses to handle the airobie. This will change the dynamics of the sport and move it into the competition of the ball and club.. I also am an advocate of dropping the golf from the sport. . Disc course is a good description. We know all sports evolve! Let's make it happen. Steady Ed told a friend of mine his vision was to do this very same thing. I agree and will try and bring his vision and dream into fruition.🖐😎✌️

Due to this disc the PDGA set a maximum disc wing size at the skinny end of 2.6 cm for the wing size, this kept the manufactures from making a disc that was a 4.1 cm wing all around the disc and having up to a speed 30 discs so disc going from speed 1 to 31 with every set in between. This was when Innova and Discraft were engrossed in the speed number wars and a few other companies like Gateway having a mold like the Appachie as the fastest mold in 2000 and possibly 2001 as a 10 speed.

Gotta love the arcade fire cover

You need to throw the Epic as a thumber and a slight headwind helps

@Vaginaattori

Жыл бұрын

Why thumber? Tomahawk doesn't work?

I have the Arrow and one of the guys at my local course has the Epic. Both are interesting throws.

@caseysmith544

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah a cousin has the Arrow and he loves the mold for times he needs to hit the shot with a putter and his Banger GT is not going to stop say more then just gradual uphill/downhill for steeper shots and some cliff shots.

This was my favorite disc before I learned backhand, I couldn't throw any other disc farther (250 feet was my record with this disc)

The Epic is the best disc for tomahawks. Passed that very unpredictable

Why won't they approve similar designs anymore? I love new types of mold and weird things, they are so fun!

I had one of these for years until I lost it a few months ago. I shed a tear. Totally unique, and if I want to replace it I'd have to pay $100. Sad times in 2020!

@garrettsell3294

3 жыл бұрын

I just won one in an auction for $40. It might take some time.. but if you search enough auctions you can find yourself a deal I'm sure :)

@Jesterian

3 жыл бұрын

I think I threw one away

@JonathanMonderer

3 жыл бұрын

Is it a collectors item? I have one never used

@garrettsell3294

3 жыл бұрын

@@JonathanMonderer Yes! Highly sought after since they aren’t in production anymore and aren’t exactly the most durable discs. Some people would pay a pretty penny for it!

@clarkfluegel6875

3 жыл бұрын

Dollar disc auctions, a group on Facebook. Someone listed one today.

actually Aerobie had a #1 and #1 midrange along with a different putter but the other putter only got a few runs before stopped the other two kept being made until a few years before the two main discs got stopped in production.

The disc is PDGA approved however tuning it to manipulate its flight is illegal. 802.01C. Players may not make post-production modification of discs which alter their original flight characteristics. This rule does not forbid inevitable wear and tear from usage during play or the moderate sanding of discs to smooth molding imperfections or scrape marks.

@JC-kj1rb

3 жыл бұрын

I totally agree. Tuning them is worthless!!

@DiscGolfDownUnder

3 жыл бұрын

That's a good point. I'd love to hear the PDGA's official ruling on the Epic with regards to this rule. You could argue that the disc was designed to be tuned and the PDGA approved it knowing this. So you're not actually altering the original flight characteristics when tuning it as the characteristics range from stupidly overstable to stupidly understable.

@krakennn9067

3 жыл бұрын

I reckon this applies more to physically altering the disc through material removal, adding stippling to improve grip (a la the Sinus putter) etc. At least that’s how I’m understanding the “moderate sanding of discs” stipulation. I’ve seen sanctioned play on more than one occasion where the disc will be rubbed on a wooden bench to smooth asphalt burn or small nicks as well as players fidgeting with discs, slightly compressing the disc in a “forced break in” type of movement. Any touring pro out there would have to be a free agent to use this thing anyway, for that reason, I doubt this disc is high on the PDGA radar. It’s not a bad question to get clarified at any rate. 👍🏻

@markstanbrook5578

2 жыл бұрын

Necro-ing sorry.. Screwing your disc up into a ball and putting it is legal so flexing this would be too. Heck half the pros stand on the tee flexing their discs on every hole!

@surge3518

2 жыл бұрын

@@markstanbrook5578 you’re right I reread the rule and misunderstood it.

Idk why I recognized this, but your intro gallery sounds are from EO19 hole 14 from Jesse Nieminen's ace.

@Scr1nify

3 жыл бұрын

Same :D

@DiscGolfDownUnder

3 жыл бұрын

You would be correct. Great ace.

I been throwing this disc for 8+yrs. Never tuned them. Each epic has it's own characteristic flight pattern. Some are stable and some are flippy. I can get my epic no wind flat ground 500+ft. I can also get the Vulcan same flight pattern 600+ft. It's a disc of patience and once you achieve the patience you can dial it in and be accurate on every throw. Anyone who says it's a cheater disc usually doesn't have the arm to throw it. Always a hater out there!!! I been on a couple of CCDG videos and was glad to get the epic shot out there for the world to see. Hate it or love it..Its a great disc for some people :)

@SameThingEver

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for that, I shared the vid from Little River a bunch of times by now, because of that :) I never in my live hit the gym, but me not being able to get a glide after a Tomahawk with that disc motivates me highly to start going ;)

@JC-kj1rb

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you for sharing that video DG Edderino!!!

@Vaginaattori

Жыл бұрын

Can you link me those videos?

you should review the sharpshooters

So, is the overhand flight achievable with a normal really understable distance driver, or does it need the eliptical (or whatever) shape?

@outandabout259

3 жыл бұрын

It is possible, I have seen overhands and grenades thrown like that with really understable discs. But I am pretty sure that no normal disc can get the same distance as Epic, because the extra wide rim on one side moves the centre of mass of the disc further from the hand of thrower, giving additional leverage and therefore greater velocity upon release.

@discordye4825

3 жыл бұрын

My buddy consistently tomahawks normal discs 300+...you don't need this gimmick disc to throw far...

@micah_lee

3 жыл бұрын

@@discordye4825 You need it to throw overhands 500+ feet like people can do with it. And also, are you saying they throw it where the disc flips over on itself and flies flat and glides like a normal disc?

@outandabout259

3 жыл бұрын

@@discordye4825 I bet he could throw the aerobie epic further that any normal disc.

"No other disc" - Not quite. If you take a really light blizzard champ disc (130-140 g) you can make them fly like that. That being full rotation in the air and then the disc just starts to glide straight. Not quite as well as Epic tho, which I've thrown around 120 m overhand thumber. I suspect it's the glide.

I have a 1984 Areobie Pro with the other little booklet the ring came with, inside little book it had the previous Areobie record with the old ring. You can tell it is the older ring because the ring uses the metal in it not the from 1995 and up ones that use the plastic part and can see the clear plastic on the underside due to how the rubber was put on the ring also the Areobie Pro is only in the red-orange color, not the red of later that took over the red-orange color used before , or that later odd hot pink color from 1995 onward, nor the highlighter yellow that came out even later in 2000's.

Haha I just found one in perfect shape at goodwill for $2.50

Outstanding video! I'd love to learn how you did the flight tracking in real time :D do you use adobe Premier?

@DiscGolfDownUnder

3 жыл бұрын

For that video I was using Adobe Premiere. There are some good videos on golf ball tracking that I used to learn the technique. However, since January I've switched to Davinci Resolve and it's even easier in this package. I might have to do a video someday on how to track discs using Resolve as I've not been able to find videos even on golf ball tracking in Resolve.

@DnBGolf

3 жыл бұрын

@@DiscGolfDownUnder that's awesome information, thank you! I picked up Sony Vegas when I first started editing (mostly because of cost), but some of the fancier edits require external programs or jumping through elaborate hoops to look halfway decent.

What happens if you throw it not tuned at all ?

@DiscGolfDownUnder

3 жыл бұрын

You can try and tune it into a neutral position and it will fly in between the two extremes, but this is where I found it very inconsistent. Sometimes it would fly stable and sometimes understable. A very finicky disc when you try to get clever with it.

@superdriver777

3 жыл бұрын

Honestly, it kinda wasn't so great without some tuning. It takes a lot of arm speed to flip it as it is intended to be flipped, so generally I tuned it to be as understable as I could (within reason). Without any tuning, it was just very overstable and would not roll over as designed (for me). I still miss the disc, though! A lot of fun to mess around with, and definitely the one of the most unique and specialized discs ever approved by the PDGA. Edit: I forgot to mention that I only ever threw this "tomahawk" style. I could never get it to fly further than 200' backhand -- it almost seemed like it didn't want to glide at high speed, but would glide very well when it pulled out of its 360 roll when thrown overhand

This old CCDG coverage kzread.info/dash/bejne/iYp908yohcmXn5s.html has some great video of a guy throwing Epics and getting a lot out of them, but also their unpredictability. Don't miss the same guy's overhand in round 2 kzread.info/dash/bejne/kaqhlbtsYrS3e9Y.html (not an Epic)

@DiscGolfDownUnder

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the share. Great to see it used by a capable thrower.

Aerobie better get their act together and start making this disc again. The feebay gouge prices are ridiculous..this thing is worth $5 of plastic. - but tons of fun I don't care about "PDGA" nonsense. And I'm not alone. Cool they make a disc you won't lose in the water as well.. MIllions of dollars of 'innovation' going into the approved discs.. totally ignoring the fact they sink like a rock and so many losses. It's akin to throwing your Golf driver club into the river. They haven't figured out how to inject small bubbles of air into it yet? Oh that would make it 'not approved'. Right

I think the Defender DDT by Quest Discs is crazier.

@DiscGolfDownUnder

3 жыл бұрын

Ooooh, another contender. Never heard of it before. Dimples and a glide rating of 14. Really? Have to check that out.

I’ll buy 1 of those from you....

@DiscGolfDownUnder

3 жыл бұрын

Haha, I'll add you to the end of a very long queue. If I had a box of 50, I'm sure I could offload them quick time.

Kinda meme disc but I bet this is the kind of thing everybody wants to throw at least few times so there's a market for it. Oh yeah, I've had one for a long time, in my storage.

I wonder what happens if you throw it grenade style?

All I know... you can thumber it far as F**K!! I can't but those that can thumber BOMB THIS DISC.

I know a guy that thumbers these 400-450 ft

But why does it float and why can't all discs float?

@micahned

3 жыл бұрын

It's less dense than water

THE FLY! 3:18

@DiscGolfDownUnder

3 жыл бұрын

It was a hot day. Over 40 Celsius or 104 F. The flies were annoying.

These are designed to be thrown thumber.

@caseysmith544

3 жыл бұрын

Not at first but that was found out to be the best use of the mold.

Why didn't you throw it INTO the wind?! It looked windy in the video. My Epic will turn over multiple times when I throw it into a strong wind.

it has very little glide holy cow

I know a guy, who knows a guy, who has not heard of this disc at all. He is a dolphin.

And how is this a collectors item? They're literally a dime a dozen in my city...

@JC-kj1rb

3 жыл бұрын

What city are you in? They are rare in my neck of the woods!

@tseremed

3 жыл бұрын

They go for $50 all day long on reddit r/discexchange

@colin7406

3 жыл бұрын

@@tseremed I forgot to pick mine up in the field :'( I loved that thing

@clipnclap4256

3 жыл бұрын

Well Kyle?....

Forced "break-in" to reduce stability, nothing new. But who wants a MORE stable disc? 1 disc round, tuned per hole

It's becoming a collectors item? Really. I know I got one of those in storage somewhere. I may have to dig that puppy out and dust it off.

@DiscGolfDownUnder

3 жыл бұрын

Might be worth it. Have had plenty of people offer to buy one of the ones I was reviewing.

Seems like just a bunch of hype for me with someone that throws 350ft consistently. I bought 2 of these disc and tried these disc for a full season in every way that disc can be thrown and still never made it over $250ft. Go figure

You ever thrown a hookshot #1,2, or 3

@DiscGolfDownUnder

3 жыл бұрын

Nope and had never heard of them until your comment. Looked them up on Infinite Discs and some interesting comments and reviews. Another set of discs that float on water and have an unexpected flight.

@mitchellward2536

3 жыл бұрын

@@DiscGolfDownUnder yea it used to be my only glow disc, I use them now for approach shots because they hook left so hard. Really interesting disc.

I wish I wouldn’t of sold mine. I got out of disc golf for a while and ended up selling it for like $80. But I wish I wouldn’t of!

@colin7406

3 жыл бұрын

Wow, I left mine in a field 2 years ago :(

@chaneyhouk5950

3 жыл бұрын

@@colin7406 look up Outdoorshopping.com says they have some but it seems sketchy.

@JonathanMonderer

3 жыл бұрын

I got one unused, should I use it or keep it new as a collectors item

@chaneyhouk5950

3 жыл бұрын

@@JonathanMonderer you should sell it to me 😂 I want one bad.

@colin7406

3 жыл бұрын

@@chaneyhouk5950 Yeah all sites that have it for less than $50 are old and need to be updated

A bit nippily out there aye?

@DiscGolfDownUnder

3 жыл бұрын

I was really excited about the Epic ;-)

Get ahold of some Ching discs.

Literally, fuck this disc...it's so stupid...gimicky as fuck...

Have you seriously never heard of this disc before guy is this really something foreign to you? This disc has been around since the beginning of time. I contacted great great grandfather Amos Abernathy 3 via seance and he told me of stories his great great grandfather Sir Maximus DOucheamas told of his great uncles best friends illegitimate step son who used to throw one of these discs across the Lake at Winthrop on literally the first day the world was invented

@18JamesBlond

3 жыл бұрын

shit was i high when i wrote this? i sound like an asshole

@austinmoser5056

3 жыл бұрын

@@18JamesBlond lmao

@micah_lee

3 жыл бұрын

@@18JamesBlond Maybe not

@timarmington8142

3 жыл бұрын

Lol

@sfranklin9073

3 жыл бұрын

So that was the illegitimate step son, I saw him that day.

Judging by this dude's emblem on his shirt, he shouldn't be talking discgolf