As a Brighton local I can say that I hope the new timetable still allows for 3 minute connections as this shuttle does - it's main purpose is for those of us who travel to/from Clapham Junction, which is no longer served directly from Brighton except Sundays and super early/late trains, hence you need to change at Haywards Heath (where there's usually a 4-min connection with a service from Eastbourne/Ore, or Hove, where there's this shuttle. Although I'm hoping the Hove shuttle is being axed because we're finally getting direct trains to Clapham Junction back!

@PGATProductions

3 ай бұрын

no there arent any brighton to clapham directs

@win7sony

3 ай бұрын

@@PGATProductions As in with the new timetable? Shame :( To be fair, it's not a huge inconvenience as the bulk of the timetable allows for quick connections, and where it doesn't is when the earlies and lates run that do serve CLJ.

@tonys1636

3 ай бұрын

The lack of platform space at Clapham Junction for services that now stop there has meant that services that have alternate connections now run through, one can change at Haywards Heath, Three Bridges or East Croydon for services that do stop there. They may be slower services, as most people using fast services into London are going to Victoria. Crowded peak time trains that did stop became even more crowded on both up and down services.

@PGATProductions

3 ай бұрын

@@tonys1636 there isn't a lack of space at clapham.

@tonys1636

3 ай бұрын

@@PGATProductions If no lack of space then trains wouldn't be held at signals awaiting a clear platform/track whether stopping or running through.

It's like the Stourbridge Junction to Stourbridge shuttle service

always a good day when TFL Three uploads!

Think Class 313s used to do that as well, that is a quirky service and a great video

@thetflthree

3 ай бұрын

I do recall the Hove shuttle being a 377 even before the 313s were finally withdrawn from the Seaford line, which I remember finding rather odd. That said, don’t quote me on that since my memory could be imperfect, of course. ~ Daniel

It used to be 3 car when they had 313s, but when those went, the only eletric stock remaining, was 4 car 377s. Now, they could run 2 car DMUs, but I shouldn't have to explain how that would be even stupider. The rolling stock choice also probably explains the decrease in service, as they need more 377s on their busier routes, to form 8 car trains, so this service likely got scaled back to enable that.

@ianmcclavin

3 ай бұрын

They never considered the slam door CIGs that remained in service on the Brockenhurst to Lymington Branch!!

@MercenaryPen

3 ай бұрын

@@ianmcclavinmy understanding was that the slam door stock on the Brockenhurst to Lymington branch required special dispensation while it remained in operation- and has been phased out since 2010... even if similar rolling stock were still readily available, I see no indication that any similar dispensation to operate slam door stock would be granted

Awesome video! Have you done the a video on the two trains a day thar go from uhh Tonbridge to London vi's the Hayes line? Even Geoff Marshall has not done this yet!!

You can also get the number 7 bus from outside both station to & from each other.

@Cheeseatingjunlista

3 ай бұрын

Or walk it in around 12 mins!!! Get that lard off!!

This shuttle service has been great to avoid the crowds at Brighton heading back to London, by catching the less busy services at Hove. I was hoping they’d at least keep the Saturday service

Will still run on Sundays, Sundays appear to not have been changed at all. It will still run because it connects to the Littlehampton - Victoria service

i used to bunk this route

In terms of the 4 coach thing… since the retirement of the 313s, it only leaves a handful of 377/3s which are 3 car (I think it’s 28 units but don’t quote me on that) where as there are a significant number of 4 car trains available to Southern - so I guess it’s just making use of what’s available. They have to be much more dynamic now as they scrapped the 455s and 313s essentially with no replacements - so the redundancy they had before with units just isn’t there these days

Normally these shuttle services have 3 carriages. I’m not 100% sure if the Brighton to hove one does

I have done this many times over the years and I think it should stay there as it does help with journeys that go beyond to Littlehampton to get a quicker train.

My dad works for southern and he said its definitely going

I wonder what happened to the Southern services between Brighton to London Victoria, instead there’s Thameslink. That is why the shuttle to Hove is there for people to get a train service that comes to and from Littlehampton. It’s the new way they want to go to like Clapham Junction or London Victoria instead of changing at Gatwick Airport or East Croydon on Thameslink trains.

@ianmcclavin

3 ай бұрын

All Gatwick Express services now run from Brighton to Victoria on Mondays to Saturdays, calling at Haywards Heath and Gatwick Airport only. A change of train is still required for Clapham Junction.

@Gregdotgreg

3 ай бұрын

They were removed due to the rebuilding of Gatwick Station. The Littlehampton and Eastbourne trains stopped splitting at Haywards Heath and the Eastbourne trains used the pathways of what were the Southern Brighton trains. The timetable simply hasn't been put back the way it was now the rebuilding at Gatwick has finished. The reason the Hove shuttles exist in the first place was to provide six trains an hour from Brighton going west, to connect with the Littlehampton trains that come down from Victoria

Could you please do a southern fleet review

Well What's Better Class 377 or 313? For Me It's a Difficult Choice

did the hove shuttle ever have 313s on it

@313rail

3 ай бұрын

Yes they stopped doing it in the December 2022 timetable change

You should have done it in style in first class!

@adrianbaron4994

3 ай бұрын

If there is a first-class on this train. If there is, I wonder what it would cost.

Southern who are still using the Ex-Gatwick Express Class 387/2s should give it back to Gatwick Express. Or are they still using them on Brighton-Eastbourne, Lewis, Hastings and Seaford services. Maybe Southern should use them on Brighton-Portsmouth & Southsea, Portsmouth Harbour, Southampton Central, Littlehampton, Bognor Regis and Hove services.

Fascinating video, many thanks. I never knew about this unusual shuttle service before. Unless I missed it, exactly why does this shuttle service exist. Is it to connect with a service coming from London to say Littlehampton or somewhere else on the West Coastway line but avoiding Brighton by taking the Cliftonville Curve at Preston Park, the next station north of Brighton, and then calling at Hove. Or vice versa, to connect with trains from Hove to London that take the same direct curve and avoid Brighton. It's certainly not a Parliamentary Train as the short link between Brighton and Hove is intensively used and is under no possible risk of closure, as this would sever the West Coastway line from Brighton, which would be absurd. Beeching would have closed the West and East Coastway lines from Brighton but nowadays, with many people working in Brighton priced out of the city because of a drastic shortage of accommodation, and moving out to Shoreham and Worthing, it's busier than ever, and demand seems ti be rising especially with the enormous amount of multi-storey housing being built in Shoreham.

@thetflthree

3 ай бұрын

As far as I understand, it’s meant to give interchange with the Southern services to London Victoria from Hove, as I don’t think Southern go directly from Brighton to Victoria anymore (Gatwick Express still do provide this service though). ~ Daniel

You should have filmed the remains of the Holland Road station which you passed through on your journey.

@adrianbaron4994

3 ай бұрын

The LBSCR built Holland Road as a halt, a sort of simplified station, as they had some hopes for a kind of steam metro service along the route between Brighton and Worthing using railmotors, a combined small steam locomotive and carriage in one body. This was supposed to compete with trams, which ironically never ran in Hove, and worked at first but the halt was never really that profitable. Even though the route as far as West Worthing was electrified in 1933 as part of the huge project to electrify the Brighton mainline from the end of the third rail routes at Coulsdon south to Brighton, Holland Road began to be skipped by some services and was eventually closed by BR in 1956. As it was mostly built of wood, there isn't too much left to see. Could it come back, as an unmanned station, given the increasing road congestion in Brighton and the growth of traffic on this route? It's a nice idea but the station was in a cutting, reached by long-gone steps down from Holland Road bridge, and it would be hard and probably very expensive to rebuild to modern accessibility standards.

... and there's a First Class compartment too !? Useful when the 3rd class gets packed I suppose :o) (Explanatory note: on C2C stock, we don't have 1st class seating any more).

@Danse_Macabre_125

3 ай бұрын

Depending on subclass it could just be the exact same seat with a bit of cotton on the headrest, not even a partition between "1st" and standard

I'll miss steiner!

lol I feel like I'm partially responsible for this vid

@DeveroonieWasTaken

3 ай бұрын

@@purplesTrainsUKreal

I thought you were talking about the southern service between East Croydon and Watford Junction

Why is it so precise to operate on a sunday?

@313rail

3 ай бұрын

So it can connect to the 1 train per hour to Littlehampton from London Victoria.

I Thiught this was going to be about Newhaven marine, but then again - I think they actually did close that down eventually? Do southern still have some 3 car class 377s?

@thetflthree

3 ай бұрын

They did officially close Newhaven Marine in 2020, and Southern do still have 377/3s, they replaced the 313s. ~ Daniel

It’s more of a stock move

It’s bugging me as a flag nerd, obviously I know Australia and the Aboriginal flag, but what is the third?

@thetflthree

3 ай бұрын

Torres Strait Islander! ~ Daniel

@katashworth41

3 ай бұрын

@@thetflthree thanks 😊

Brighton to hove Dylan bus Hugh train(must be train) Daniel run Race

@purplesTrainsUK

3 ай бұрын

the bus and run would work but the train stations are only a 3 minute at max distance for trains but good idea