i think you should go watch some videos about 170r because the 170r has prism eyes (like the cs2 pro) and you don't program it by blinks. You can programit with the trigger and the button and you can see everything on the OLED display screen. The other thing that you said is "you only need is a 685", then why would i need a whole barrel kit for the 170r, i agree with you on the soft tip bolt.(i own a 170r, i shot geo 3.5 and cs2 and yes the geo is suuper soft and the gp core is poppy. this comment is not to hate or anything besides this thing its good and well made video, keep up the good work!)

@wadeonwheels

2 жыл бұрын

I appreciate the comment and I know you don’t program it by blinks or lights it’s by trigger pulles but the point still goes to the geo4 is simpler to program like you don’t have to turn the gun off and turn it on in programming mode you can just go to programming mode. Is 170 R prism eyes if that’s the little reflectors that are on the Eye covers themselves ? like I said I haven’t been able to get a CS2 pro in my hands so I haven’t been able to compare them but maybe that’s some thing I’ll do really soon I’ll go to Lonewolf and see if they’ll give me a CS2 to look at. I’m very familiar with 170 I do own one as wells. But I think I’m going to do a video on the eye system comparison between 170, CS2 and Geo4. should I add any other guns to compare eye systems too? I appreciate the comment.

@paintballguj904

2 жыл бұрын

@@wadeonwheels thanks for the reply sorry for my misunderstanding. Yes the prism(little mirrors) on the 170r are on the eye covers( if you want a video i recommend th watch kzread.info or kzread.info this chanels video on the 170r and the cs2/pro) and if you making an eye system video then i think you should make a video on the prism eyes of the 170r and cs2 pro and geo 4 cable eyes and the luxe eyes(because of the ball dtent system) and the dye eyes like the dsr/+ or like a m3+

might try this paint ball stuff

I was just in that situation. I actually bought a geo 4 then decided to sell it for more than I bought it for and get a 170r for $725 bnib with a acculock barrel full kit used for $75 then I added on a soft tip and duece trigger from Super stanchy customs $90 for both. Total put me at $900. I sold the Geo 4 for $1050. In my opinion look around and you will get a better deal than the Geo 4. Barrel kits that cost over $200 are a waste of money in my opinion. Get a acculock barrel kit lite version new for $99.

@wadeonwheels

2 жыл бұрын

That’s a smooth deal on the trade. Nice 👍

good video. I sub'd and I love my 170r, I use it over my geo 4 all the time.

@wadeonwheels

2 жыл бұрын

I just put more money into the 170 so it’s pretty bad ass now I’ll do a video on it soon. I’m definitely going to be torn between the geo4 and 170r for play time.

@fritzz360

2 жыл бұрын

@@wadeonwheels looking forward to this video.

I found a used 170r with a full FXL kit (kit is up for sale) and a used SSC bolt. For less than half the GEO 4. Can I program it as much or easily? No, but with the money I saved I got a Boom treated Infamous barrel kit and a mech frame with a Hair 45. So I can play electric or mech in the rain. GEO’s are temperamental, adversely effected by rain, and don’t have a mech option yet.

the bundle deals on lone wolf make or break this decision for me because of how much cheaper i can get the goggles, hopper, and tank that i want in the 170 tournament bundle. the geo 4 bundle forces the most expensive options. im looking at $1651 for the 170r full setup and gear and $1983.7 for the full geo 4 setup, when it would be closer to $1800 and worth the extra money for the geo 4 if i wasn't hurting my savings by opting for a tournament bundle (full setup i want includes ninja sl2 pro tank, virtue ir2 hopper, speed loader, pods, pod harness, deuce trigger, barrel inserts, soft bolt) currently waiting on an email back from them if they can manually change the bundle options on the geo 4

@wadeonwheels

2 жыл бұрын

In my personal opinion I always reach for my geo 4 over my 170r. but.... to get a complete package with a marker like the 170r and then picking up a barrel kit will put you around the same price as the geo4 if not cheaper depending on the barrel kit , you will have no issues keeping up with anyone out on the field with that set up. if i were to start over and had to get one package to last me it would be the 170r with a barrel kit. but if you want the better marker hands down the geo4 is better in every way. but its not end of the world better.

dude, I remember buying my 170r was cheaper than what you said it was out the box.

@wadeonwheels

2 жыл бұрын

I was just going by what the MSRP was that’s sweet if you found a good deal!

the only thing i got for my 170r was the PE .685 barrel back and I'm good

@wadeonwheels

2 жыл бұрын

That’s awesome! Keep it simple.

i have a emerald geo 4. and have been looking for some more PE backs, i have a Lazr kit but would like to have a couple more sizes than just .689 in the PE backs, any leads on where to pick up the extra calibers?

@wadeonwheels

2 жыл бұрын

Lone wolf or ans, maybe punisher paintball

This whole video is full of personal preferences and based on them. You can't assume that everyone likes a "bubble shot" or whatever. Gamma Vs IV is fully personal preference. The gamma core seems to need less maintenance. The 170 is a great gun out of the box without all the extras. If you'd want you can buy a Shaft FR and a single freak insert for. I think the markers shouldn't be compared in this way. They both serve a purpose and do it really well. In the end the accuracy is the most important thing (in my opinion) and they both are on point with this.

@wadeonwheels

Жыл бұрын

You are not wrong it is all personal preference, but if you want to see and accuracy comparisons I can do that ! Stay tuned and thanks for the feedback

You can save some money on a 170r by just getting a freak ready back a .685 and a .680 insert for under $100. If you buy a used 170r for $600 to $700 you are about half what you would spend on a new geo 4. With the extra savings upgrade the trigger and buy the software tip and it is a really good marker. I don't fiddle with my programing much so I don't dislike the gtek board.

Or buy a used AMP for $550 which comes with a freak xl barrel and basically a gamma core but better and more efficient

@wadeonwheels

Жыл бұрын

Definitely a good option, been wanting to get a AMP, but when I shoot my buddy’s it never feels right in my hand. But that all personal preference.

Nice vid! Etha 3 is cheaper than both, same bolt system to boot.

@wadeonwheels

2 жыл бұрын

True !!! It wasn’t out yet when I made this but that’s a solid marker !

@devingarcia7698

Жыл бұрын

Same bolt doesn’t mean same gun Etha is not to even be compared to any of these

Came across this video late lol I have a cs2 pro and my teammate has the 170. They both use the same reflective eye system. The gamma core pro is a softer shot like the geo4, no kick at all and is lower operating pressure than both the geo4 and 170r. As far as boards are concerned the geo4 and cs2 are the same and only superior to the 170 in its programming and options but the 170 board is simple and gives you what you need but it's colored lights don't matter as all info is displayed on the oled screen which is brighter than the geo/cs2 board. The FL is a no contest compared to the shaft4 the 170 comes with.....that barrel is just a paperweight. As far as the engine the IV requires more routine maintenance than the gamma core......there's a reason the gamma is in so many different PE platforms.....its a tank that can take abuse. End of the day if you want a premium feel and performance with bells and whistles get a geo4 or cs2/pro.......if you want a good reliable gun that will hold up to anything and shoot every time and can't afford higher end the 170 is definitely the best choice.

Dont have a,170r but i do have a geo 4 and 2 other high end markers, another PE, abd a luxe, My geo 4 get used twice as much ad the other 2...

The Geo 4 is a much better marker. The iv core is much better and has a SFR, that's why they brought it back. The 170r is a plane jane giant hunk of metal with no soul.

@wadeonwheels

Жыл бұрын

😂

170r = $850 as I type this online at every major retailer Geo4 = $1,300 at same stores I'd hope it would have some better features 😂

@wadeonwheels

2 жыл бұрын

What one did you hope had more features? Basically my point was to get the 170 to the out of the box up to the point of the geo4 or cs2 you are better off with the geo4/cs2 money wise. But it all depends on what gear you already have.

@Steves90z

2 жыл бұрын

@@wadeonwheels I don't think you brought up anything not valid. I just think for an out-of-the-box tourney gun, the 170r is hard to beat. I also think for an extra $450 you can easily make barrel and bolt upgrades to the 170r and still be well under that $450 price difference. The upgraded bolt from PE is $60 and a freak barrel is $160. You're saving quite a bit of cash doing it that way instead of going for the Geo 4. The main reason people will buy the Geo 4 is for the IV core (if you believe its superior and some dont think that). Nobody cares about tooless grips and things like that. But I think you made some good points

@wadeonwheels

2 жыл бұрын

Steve having them side by side the geo feels better. Reason for the extra cost is I went with a stainless steel freak kit that was boom treated so that was the extra cost. I did an in depth dive between the aluminum vs stainless and there is quite a bit of difference. For example the aluminum inserts do NOT measure what they say they are where the stainless steel one are the size they say they are. Basically you could end up with a .689 and .687 measuring the same. You’ll think you have two different sizes but in reality you do not.

170 for life

@wadeonwheels

2 жыл бұрын

If my geo4 wasn’t full boom treated then it would be my go to every times. It is my favorite looking marker

@ju1syjon3s

2 жыл бұрын

That is very fair, not hate on the geo, guns a beast, I just prefer the 170

@wadeonwheels

2 жыл бұрын

@@ju1syjon3s nothing wrong with that! That’s why I have both 😉

The GEO has the IV core which I heard has a better shot than the gamma. Plus the CS2 has the Gamma core pro and the 170R has the same gamma core from my etha2. 2nd hand Geo cost more than the 170R by 300 almost

@wadeonwheels

2 жыл бұрын

In my opinion the geo4 does have a better shot but it’s all personal. If you like the smooth shot the the IV core is what you want, If you like the crisp pop type of feel the gamma feels more like that. I like both but personally lean towards the geo4

also just get the stock bore back on the 170 milled out to accept freaks

@wadeonwheels

2 жыл бұрын

That’s a good idea 👍

What a Croc of tou know what . The Gtek 170r is most probably the best bang for buck marker on thd market . I can easily compete with a CS2 or Geo4 , so why spend all the extra money ? Of course there going to say Geo4 as they get a higher margin on thd marker .

@wadeonwheels

Жыл бұрын

You missed the point of the video. The point was typically people spend extra money on the 170r like barrel kit, soft tip bolt, ect. I was adding those expenses together showing that you basically come out at the going price of a geo4 or cs2. Those markers are far better in every way then the 170r. Not saying it’s a bad marker I use it as my back up. It doesn’t feel as good in the hand it’s heavier, and the ability to full program the geo4 or cs2 to shoot how ever you want puts it over the top. Cs2 and Geo4 are basically the same gun with different engines that require nothing out of the box. Sure you can use the stock 170 barrel but your going to be at a disadvantage. Iv done testing with stock barrels vs inserts. Inserts are the most accurate thing we have right now in the sport.

What about the 170i vs Geo4?

@wadeonwheels

2 жыл бұрын

170r and 170i are the same “functionally” the 170i is the “ infamous” version. Same thing with the HK 170R they are all the same gun just with different milling and anodizing

@fritzz360

2 жыл бұрын

@@wadeonwheels As far as the comparison. The 170i you get the upgraded trigger and the Freak XL barrel back. I realize the functionality is the same.

@wadeonwheels

2 жыл бұрын

fritzz360 I have those things, lol that was kinda the point of the video. By the time you add all the stuff to the 170 it becomes the same price if not more then the geo4. I’ll do a video on my 170 now it’s been updated to be basically exactly what you get with the infamous 170 I like it looks cool but the geo shoots better

@fritzz360

2 жыл бұрын

@@wadeonwheels ahhh, that is exactly what I was looking for. I have a TM40, with the XL backs and wanted to replace my ego11. Came across the 170i, which I could use the XL backs I already have. Then I saw the Geo 4, but I can use the XL backs without getting a barrel for the Geo4. That's my situation.

@wadeonwheels

2 жыл бұрын

fritzz360 if you already have the XL back with inserts then the 170 is probably the better way to go because the main selling point for the Geo is the FL barrel backs. If you have the freak XL aluminum inserts the FL back are better! If you have the stainless steel inserts those are best inserts you can buy. Other main difference how you scroll and program it. it’s just so much easier and so much more customizable, for example on the Geo I can set my ramping rate all the way to 26 balls a second where the 170 only has 10 balls 15 balls and semi auto I may be missing one more setting but it’s not as customizable as the Geo.

Geo 4 best marker all time

@wadeonwheels

Жыл бұрын

She can be temperamental, but yes, I agree best marker ever

It is not cheaper specially if you trying to make one better than the other….. I can spend 50 more bucks to make a 170r better

To get my Honda civic to the performance level of a Ferrari would cost more than just buying the Ferrari. Therefore a Ferrari is cheaper then my Honda Civic.

@wadeonwheels

Жыл бұрын

But what one would you have more fun in?

At Sacramento capitol edge most players prefer the 170r over all geo's and Cs1 Shot is so soft its really boring no feed back is what i hear the most ( this is all preference ) Gama core has the same efficiency with more reliability ( but doesn't come with soft tip 55$ for soft tip ) Just giving feedback to what I'm seeing

@wadeonwheels

2 жыл бұрын

Good feedback. Honestly I think it’s splitting hairs both guns are amazing can’t go wrong with either. Or the CS’s

@austinogg

2 жыл бұрын

@@wadeonwheels No I totally agree both amazing guns and both almost identical. ( just what shot and ergonomics you like at this point ) You are totally right too the geo4 is the better deal especially if you buy used

The math and logic being done here no offence makes no sense u talked abt how u only need a .685 barrel for the geo and then went on about a xl kit when there is the HK XV 15 inch barrel with 3 backs of .681 .685 .689.

So just get a cs2

Barrel kits are snake oil. Any barrel made by a reputable company with an overbore is perfect. Bore matching does nothing for accuracy.

@wadeonwheels

2 жыл бұрын

that is very wrong and iv proven it myself, but you are allowed to have your opinion

@HoustonPlaysGames

2 жыл бұрын

@@wadeonwheels that’s not how physics works, but ok. kzread.info/dash/bejne/mYCEp5qTgpSyf84.html

@freddukepoo3359

2 жыл бұрын

Aftermarket barrel kits are definitely a must have! Just look at the Lone Wolf Paintball video of him shooting the stock gtek 170r… paint is flying everywhere but where he’s trying to hit. I have the HK Army Lazr kit and it shoots ball on ball.

I have owned both 170r and Geo4. They both have their quarks. If you look at all of the 3d diagrams of the Gama core and IV marker they all similar mechanics with minor differences. However I understand what you are saying. If your planning on upgrading you might as well buy everything up front in one package, in the long run you will spend more piecing together everything. 170r is your basics gama core from the gtek and same oled board and they eye pipes. Everything is internal and no macro line. 170r is marketed for simplicity and toss in the back seat and go to the field or general player that competes in local tournaments, the marker is built just enough to market to that player. Geo 4 has a bigger price tag because of the cs2 lcd software, sfr valve, and starts you with the PE FL kit with one back. Sure anyone can buy one fl 685 insert. That's it add tank and hopper of choice. But the same can be said about the 170r, etha 2 & 3. Some people are satisfied 😌 with certain prices point and performance. I to like you want everything upfront and ready to go. That price might be out of range for some people. Which puts them into a etha or 170 or something else.

@wadeonwheels

2 жыл бұрын

Well said. I agree

@axledog7297

2 жыл бұрын

Just to clarify, the IV and Gamma function nothing alike.