i drove toyota and lexus but lexus is on another level guys

@Mylifeislegendary982.

2 күн бұрын

Agree

@harrys5013

16 сағат бұрын

Agreed

I test drove both and let be say this, Camry is not Lexus. ES300H felt a lot better I terms of luxury, seat comfort, quietness, and overall level of refinement. In fact, the first thing I noticed was hard were the seats in the Camry. Honestly, for $42K I’d get a slightly used Lexus ES300h

@4af

2 күн бұрын

You didn't drive the 2025 Camry LE. That is the Camry model that smothers the bumps and has ES level of road and tire noise. For only 30K instead of 44K

I test drove the 25 camry THEN the 24 ESh. Just bought the ESh. I couldn't fit in the back of the Camry and I thought the build quality felt cheap. I like the backseats fold down but I don't use my sedan as a truck. Sound system was subpar. Interior plastic was loose like it was a power wheels. Ride was zippy but bumpy. My ESh just feels smooth, and I LOVE driving it. The 25 Camry is a Jack of all trades, master of none -- a good car for MOST, perhaps the best value pick of all the sedans, but it isn't a luxury car. Neither is the accord for that matter.

@seanh2390

2 күн бұрын

I would probably get the ES hybrid too. Front headroom seems to be extra tight for me in the new Camry as well.

@mrsj1417

2 күн бұрын

I had the current ESh as a lease. You're not going to believe how much you're going to love it. It's THAT good.

@2004cyrus

2 күн бұрын

@@seanh2390just lower the seat - I’m 6’5” and bought the 25 Camry for my partner on July 2nd and I have enough head room.

I’m sticking with Lexus

@jonathanratliff4780

3 күн бұрын

@@rileypart1 agreed!!

@shawnbl2048

3 күн бұрын

I would love to get the ES300H but I put on tons of milage on my daily driver. I will lose out on maintenance. Carmy cheap to maintain.

Can't wait to see what Lexus does with the all new ES model 2026.

@niuhuskieguy

3 күн бұрын

I think that is the issue with this comparison. It appears to be based off the current generation ES. This would have been better served if he waited until the next gen ES was out.

@bahrahme

2 күн бұрын

Now ES will be much more expensive....

@a426108

2 күн бұрын

@@bahrahme Indeed.

The nonsensical comparison of the ES and Camry must stop seriously.

Baby did not wake up when you closed the hood. Sound insulation is good

@europec2082

2 күн бұрын

he's talking loud so it doesn't matter lol

give me a dollar every time you say "lexus" in this video

@dannygonxalez9011

2 күн бұрын

this should be a drinking game

@baldygrey2779

2 күн бұрын

OUT OF OFFICE: Thank you for your comment. I'm currently passed out on the floor playing a KZread drinking game. I will respond to your message when I regain consciousness.

They are completely different tbh and the ES win all day everyday .

@thomasjohn6041

3 күн бұрын

What’s completely different? Take the 24’ Camry v6 and the Lexus. Both fwd. both v6. Around the same size. Nothing completely different.

@Shabnation

3 күн бұрын

The quality in the materials are much different , and if you look underneath both cars you will see differences in materials . The Camry v6 is a excellent car it’s just not the same as the ES , your argument would me more valid let’s say if the Toyota kept the Avalon which the ES is based off of

You can’t compare this to a Lexus ES, just because it’s a sedan with similar engine choices doesn’t mean it’s a Camry. The ES is a longer and bigger car with a much quieter interior and a smoother ride.

@Mylifeislegendary982.

3 күн бұрын

You are absolutely correct My friend. KIRK has to be saying this to create drama here otherwise come on.

@djplonghead5403

2 күн бұрын

Don’t forget about the windows that slow down. Best feature in my opinion.

@igeekone

2 күн бұрын

True, the ES was always based on the Avalon platform. As you mentioned, it's a much bigger car to the Camry.

@2004cyrus

2 күн бұрын

Both Toyota products

@avdp9095

2 күн бұрын

​@@2004cyrusRRcis Bmw product

Why nobody never mention an important difference between standard and premium brands: quality of the carpet. Premiums has thick high quality carpet even on trunk, meanwhile standard brands has cheap low quality lining... and for me this makes all the difference!

@DNSKY444

Күн бұрын

Some of us in winter climates would rather not think about the carpet and just immediately add the all weather mats, but good point

The es350 is still much better

@Mylifeislegendary982.

3 күн бұрын

Agree. KIRK is losing his mind

Once you drive a Lexus you won't want to go to back to Toyota :D

@papayaman123

3 күн бұрын

@@naveenthemachine the NX is based on RAV4, you should have test driven the v6 ES. Nonetheless the Lexus will be superior in terms of quality and finish to your Camry.

@kjk4795

2 күн бұрын

2024 ES350 V6 has a clunky transmission.

@alexlarson2466

2 күн бұрын

@@papayaman123 Not if you compare some modern Lexuses to an XV10 gen 3 camry

@Every14days826

2 күн бұрын

The suspension on the Lexus ES is far better than any Camry. Also leather everywhere you touch, Really have no clue what buddy is getting at lol

@seethingsclearlyawaken3424

2 күн бұрын

I owned an IS350 and also owned a TRD Camry, not at the same time of course. I actually preferred the Camry TRD over the IS350. The big "L" did nothing for me, except got me comments from friends and co-workers, suggesting I had become "Uppity". I didn't like the impression I was giving people with the "L" over the "T".

Sharp looking sedan. This makes the Altima look really cheap in comparison.

I think used ES300h with 10k-20k miles in the low to mid $30k range is still a better buy

@avdp9095

3 күн бұрын

True

@double__de7387

3 күн бұрын

At that 30k range just buy a regular SE Camry hybrid then

@avdp9095

3 күн бұрын

@@double__de7387 we have a Lexus ES, European spec. Magnificent car, regarding build quality, materials, sound insulation etc etc, far, far, far better than a Camry. You cann't compare the two.

@user-FTRU6GJ

3 күн бұрын

@@double__de7387 ES is just a better car overall. I’ve seen a few new camrys and they look exactly like the old one. I couldn’t spend 30k+ on camry

@double__de7387

3 күн бұрын

@@user-FTRU6GJI worked for Toyota and Lexus for over 10 years I get what you're saying but on average you pay 10K more materials as in terms of making the seats better, better interior and the softer ride I agree. But the average person to pay 10k for the same vehicle it's too much. If you're buying the gas es with the V6 hands down hybrid you've lost before you start.

I love both the Camry and ES, but there are differences in the build quality, refinement, and sound insulation within the cabin. However, from the consensus I've heard, Toyota did a solid job with the noise reduction (from both wind and road), especially in the XSE trim. No doubt this generation of Camry will lure a lot of people from the economical and luxury sedan market (maybe even some potential SUV buyers as well, given the amount of room and trunk space it has), I'm quite impressed with it (though I'm sad about the V6 and naturally aspirated engines being precluded from future lineups). I have no doubts that this platform will be very reliable, Toyota has perfected the hybrid platform. My expectations for this generation honestly weren't that high, but Toyota really outdid themselves with the amount of effort they put into it.

@Mylifeislegendary982.

3 күн бұрын

Es is a proper luxury sedan and Camry is a excellent class leading mid size sedan. Two cars way different. Sadly kirk seems to forget that

@cychang3475

18 сағат бұрын

Lexus ES and Camry are both built in Kentucky.

42k for a camry? This is crazy.

@LoneWolfSparty

3 күн бұрын

It's essentially fully loaded or close to it at that point. (Barring any TRD or any potential GR Camry model)

@Hschlick84

3 күн бұрын

Yeah, pricy. Time for me to get into the trades and make more money.

@eruptsrek2275

3 күн бұрын

Paid 35.4 otd for mine xse premium

@mrc2165

3 күн бұрын

It is. We got one in 2018, SE with moonroof for a little over $23k out the door

@andrewgus8763

3 күн бұрын

I bought my Camry LE brand new in 2021 for $23K OTD. Same base LE now starts at $29K + taxes and fees, and that’s without the dealer markups...

In terms of features, yes, the new Camry has just as much as the Lexus. But if you care about the badge and ultimate comfort and prestige feeling, then it’s always going to be Lexus. My 10-year-old ES 350 still feels soft, smooth and butter, compared to a Camry around the same age.

@Mylifeislegendary982.

3 күн бұрын

Es is a proper luxury sedan and miles better than any Camry from all levels. There is a New gen es coming anyway

@zmir813

2 күн бұрын

@@Mylifeislegendary982. yes I believe that’s what Iwas implying. ES is far more luxurious

@Mylifeislegendary982.

2 күн бұрын

@@zmir813 👍

Nah, will stick with my 2020 es....6 cylinder bullet proof engine, better interior, quieter , better suspension and plusher ride. Toyota execs are not dumb, they would never allow the Camry to be that similar to their Lexus es 350 product. Manufacturers are very aware of keeping higher end vehicles from.being cannibalized by their mid tier products.

@Mylifeislegendary982.

3 күн бұрын

KIRK sometimes really say some funny stuff

@lionintu

2 күн бұрын

I'm not a fan of their interface with the infotainment, the mouse thing. But you've already gotten used to it I'm sure

@mikeanthony706

2 күн бұрын

@hoderharris dude, you're correct. don't fall for the nonsensical ES comparison with Camry

Toyota has moved up-market. Reliability has pushed their brand higher. They are separating themselves from Kia, Hyundai, and Honda. It is an interesting move as Lexus will also have to improve to keep selling in the premium category.

@kermit1

3 күн бұрын

Tell that to new Tunda owners who’s engines are exploding

@jonathanratliff4780

3 күн бұрын

@@kermit1 it’s about time to let it go nothing with a manufacturer stays forever they’ve had problems in the past as has every auto manufacture and they will get it fixed don’t be so obsessed lol

@brocklanders6969

3 күн бұрын

No better than Honda, just a higher price.

@jonathanratliff4780

3 күн бұрын

@@brocklanders6969 break down here your assertion please

It's nice that Toyota is sharing so much Lexus refinement with the Camry. That will only help keep it head and shoulders above the competition. But a Lexus person is never going to be happy with a Camry. It's just not even in the same league. I "personally" have no need to be in that league and would much prefer the Camry. Just the fact that the rear seat doesn't fold down in the ES prevents me from even being remotely interested in one. A Lexus person would just bring the GX 460 if they need the rear seat to fold down. I don't have options like that at my fingertips. In fact, if Toyota would introduce the Camry in a proper wagon form like the ones they used to sell in the 80's & 90's, I would MUCH prefer the Camry over the Lexus ESh. Especially if they made it available in the base LE trim and it could be purchased for say $3k more than the base sedan. I'd be all over it. But as they say, "different strokes for different folks."

I own a 21 Camry SXE V6. 48,000 miles and not a glitch. I don't know about the new Camry but my brother just traded his 23 Charger Scat Pack wide body for a Lexus IS500. There is no comparison. The charger is quicker off the line but the Lexus 5.0 screams. The build quality is impeccable.

@JCVACCARO

3 күн бұрын

​@@naveenthemachineHere's some good advice. Hemi Mopars are awesome but if you want to buy one absolutely stay away from a 22-23 and you will avoid some very high stress levels.

@dtlusk24

3 күн бұрын

Lol 40k plus isn't much to worry about. My 2017 camry xle has 210,000 miles and it runs flawlessly. Looks mint inside and smooth as silk at idle. Your in great shape for not spending much cash on repairs enjoy

@JCVACCARO

3 күн бұрын

@@naveenthemachine Thanks to Stellantis's cost cutting. Nope. It's all out there for everyone to see. I love Mopar. I own an 18 Challenger Hellcat with no problems but only 14,000 miles. My brother's Charger Scat Pack had a horrible dash rattle that never got fixed, an oil pan leak, two infotainment glitches and an upper control arm replacement. Stellantis cost cutting ruined these cars. The IS500 is way better for build quality.

@LoneWolfSparty

3 күн бұрын

​@@naveenthemachineare you really comparing a decade old platform to something more modern? Seriously?

@lrod312

3 күн бұрын

I own a 500 i’d say it’s a lot quicker from a roll idk if it’s faster than a Charger but definitely feels different than getting it off the line. I think performance-wise, it’s a 392 competitor anyway.

Kirk and his hyper obsession with the ES and Camry comparison. I don't get it, but at this point, enough said. Folks, do your own research

@Mylifeislegendary982.

3 күн бұрын

You are right my friend. KIRK is has gone a bit mad . I really think he is saying these things to create drama in this comment section . otherwise come on

Love your videos, keep it up Kirk

This is the best review of Camry I’ve seen yet Kirk and comparing it to an ES Lexus is especially timely and appropriate. Makes me wonder how good the next gen ES will be. Thank you for this my friend all the work you do!

@Mylifeislegendary982.

3 күн бұрын

Upcoming ES will be fantastic without a question.

I like the 2025 Camry XSE, but, I absolutely hate the full glass roof! Here is my problem with that. There is a $1300 up charge for the full glass roof, which is fine if that's what you want. However, I want the XSE, but I DO NOT WANT THAT GLASS ROOF!!! Try to find a 2025 Camry XSE without a full-glass roof. You can't find one, so you are forced into paying $1300 for something you hate and would never want. I have also heard the full glass roofs on the 2025 Camrys have issues with breakage. Yes, they will self-destruct on their own. At least, that is what I've heard on YOU-tube videos and one local Toyota dealership from a friend that is a Toyota sales-person. Yes, I know there are plenty S.E. models with solid metal roofs, but I want an XSE with a solid roof. Thanks. If anyone knows or has found any 2025 XSE Camrys WITHOUT a glass-roof or sunroof, please reply. Wake up Toyota!

The standard hybrid powertrain is a welcome addition to the Camry - the base 2.5L gas just feels a little rough and Toyota does hybrids so well it makes no sense not to go with the hybrid. Granted the ES would likely be even more refined to make up the price tag difference, but the Camry is the value king.

@floggyWM1

2 күн бұрын

at over 40k, its really not a value.

I’ve been watching since you worked at Lexus! Sometimes I miss all of the Lexus reviews lol

8:24 Thank you for putting extra comments on the screen during the video. It’s very helpful for when you forgot something you wanted to say or misspoke. It’s a pet peeve of mine when the car reviewer gets the information wrong. Which happens quite often. Especially on new car models.

very informative 💙

Lexus all day… test drove both vehicles bought the Lexus es.. and I got 7 k off msrp while Toyota did not match the offer

@KirkKreifels

2 күн бұрын

Good deal

@2004cyrus

2 күн бұрын

Toyota doesn’t have $7000.00 markup to play with like Lexus does.

@franksalazar2628

2 күн бұрын

@@2004cyrus well my car msrp was 45 with a bunch of options and it came out to 37k.. I say that’s a pretty good deal..

@2004cyrus

Күн бұрын

@@franksalazar2628 that’s a deal I would take all day long! Congratulations! I didn’t know the new Camry could reach that level with all of the packages. But $37,000 is a killer deal

@matrix8043

Күн бұрын

​@2004cyrus u buy brand new lexus es for 37000$ ?

As always great content, thanks for sharing!

Tell me you prefer lexus without telling me you prefer a lexus.

@edmondtam88

2 күн бұрын

He actually prefers the Camry.

@MrJohnsmith916

2 күн бұрын

@@edmondtam88 ok. Thanks for the clarification that no one asked for.

Mark Levinson stereo with special low noise wheels? The Camry can't match that.

I plan on getting the 2025 Camry LE FWD. Just test drove one last weekend and was very impressed.

That blue is nice on the car.

I havent seen the 2025 Camry in person, but I can honestly tell you that the 2025 Camry is not better than my 2008 Lexus GS460....

@MrGeezil

2 күн бұрын

lol a 2008 car 😂😂😂😂😂. I will pass.

@2004cyrus

2 күн бұрын

@@MrGeezilme too and I bought this new Camry on July 2nd

@MrGeezil

13 сағат бұрын

@@2004cyrus I agree I hate how folks be in the comments I will pick a 2008 car over a newer car lol. The safety features alone in the newer car might even save ya ass in an accident. May be just say you ain’t got the money to afford a newer car rn so you gonna drive your 2008 Lexus Gs460 lol.

@2004cyrus

10 сағат бұрын

@@MrGeezil where is the lie? lol 😂

This is a great video thank you sir! I am getting my 2025 Camry LE w/ convenience package very soon I can't wait!! Best part is I got for 29k OTD!

@KirkKreifels

2 күн бұрын

Right on! Great pick!

@2004cyrus

2 күн бұрын

I bought a new Camry on July 2nd and I’m extremely pleased and happy with it.

Camry is great car but service experience, craftsmanship and warranty are better by far at the big L vs yota. My toyota dealership experience every time i go to the various ones in dc area is a pure letdown every time. Get what you pay for still holds up

@KirkKreifels

3 күн бұрын

Service your Toyota at Lexus it costs the same

@dtlusk24

3 күн бұрын

@KirkKreifels our lex dealers cost more from my experience. But the level of people skills and attitudes are far better. It's just 2 diff worlds as far as ownership goes.

@Shabnation

3 күн бұрын

@@KirkKreifels uhhh no they don’t cost the same lol , they use the same parts but Lexus definitely charges more for service I work in service I know this this for a fact

Appreciate the objective, honest review. The car should be a sales hit since it offers a Lexus-like driving experience, proven reliability from the carried over hybrid powertrain and an affordable price.

The sound of the hood closing reminds me the sound of an empty sardine can hiting conctete floor.

@CCANGEL333

3 күн бұрын

😂

Thank you for this video! Yes, I have an LE 25 and is missing the energy flow monitor as you mentioned. Odd thing is that the owners manual says (p114) that you can see the energy Flow monitor on the multimedia screen not only on the digital cluster gauges. I think they didn't include at the very last minute. Hopefully, Toyota will update this.

Kirk, In select markets where it is available, I hear the Camry LE AWD is the one to get. The 2024 Camry may be the best one since the days of the double rear wiper Camry wagon 😉😉

@Marcus-id5ur

3 күн бұрын

Picked mine up last week.

@rightlanehog3151

3 күн бұрын

@@Marcus-id5ur 👍

When it comes to the sedans Lexus is behind on the tech side but the styling on those Lexus sedans is so beautiful.

Those rims look good as hell!!

I think Lane keep and adaptive Cruze work together to mimic traffic jam. For the most part anyway.

Love the review has an infant car seat 🫡

I just wish Toyota would move the shifter to the steering column and provide a third cup holder in the center console. I big clunky console shift leaver sticking up and in the way, taking up all that real estate seams waste of space.

Damn, I live in Los Angeles. I went through a roller coaster just now with the traffic jam assist from exhilarated knowing it exists to utter devastation to learn it requires a subscription! 😭

bro lexus is lexus… no you can not compare with this regular car

I rode for 40 minutes in a brand new Grand Highlander yesterday on mostly freeway and although it was a nice ride with a nice captain seat and leg room the NVH and bounciness of the suspension was off putting. I normally drive a 2019 Altima and people forget what makes Sedans good, it is their ride quality. They just float over road imperfections where something like an SUV is going to be taught and bouncy comparably.

The shocks are different on the Lexus.

The 2024 XSE with the V6 is as good as a Lexus not the new 2025 Camry.

Looking at getting a Camry. Really loved your review.

The German luxury vehicles are dead to me. Their reign is over. The Korean and Japanese vehicles are way more desirable… then again, it could be that I’m nearly 40 and sensible now😅

@spliffbooth

2 күн бұрын

Hunter, please set the crack pipe down. Korean "luxury" vehicles, despite offering an appealing feature-to-price ratio on dealer lots, see their values drop more precipitously than most other cars on the market (including much-maligned EVs) due to less reliability and poor dealership service experiences. Meanwhile Japanese vehicles incur dealership-level price gouging, as well cost-cutting in material quality and design. And meanwhile yet, every single other automaker (including the Germans) have been attempting to emulate Japanese quality control methodologies, and have significantly improved both quality and reliability over the past several decades. In the 90's and early 2000's, I would have agreed with your statement about Japanese > German. But in 2024, the quality gap is much more narrow, the value-add all but erased, and the German cars still provide a more engaging, less appliance-like driving experience.

It’s gonna be pretty cool for your kid to watch this video 20 years from now.

So I bought this 2025 Camry on July 2nd. I have opened the panoramic roof 4x and today I decided to look into the mechanics of the roof when opened, while I was detailing the car after it rained. I was shocked to find that the fabric which is exposed because it’s the headliner that comes up and wraps below the sunshade- anyways the fabric is drastically torn and ripped and coming apart - so I took photos and I’m taking the Camry to service department tomorrow. I can’t imagine them repairing the torn areas on both front corners so I guess I’ll be getting a new headliner. Hard to imagine it not happening again without a fix.

Stick with behind your desk. Like your videos. 43 k for a Camaraderie?. Come on!

The Camry is so beautiful and efficient!!!

Take a shot every time Kirk says "Lexus"

Just reserved my XSE in Wind Chill Pearl and Black all leather interior EEEEE!!! SO EXCITED! Thanks for the content as usual, Kirk! - edit, saw one IRL yesterday and even the dash materials are real leather

@mikej238

Күн бұрын

boooooooring black interior

@DNSKY444

Күн бұрын

@@mikej238 haha its all leather and no one likes red irl its just for going to Costco lol

@mikej238

Күн бұрын

@@DNSKY444 fake leather

@DNSKY444

Күн бұрын

​@@mikej238 go check one out 🤣

@DNSKY444

Күн бұрын

@@mikej238 LOL XSEs have real leather- check out the spec sheet or see one in person, it's soooo good! The red would not look this good if it was softex

It'll sell like hot cakes.

@2004cyrus

2 күн бұрын

I bought one July 2nd

I need a ciggie after all the rush and excitement. I can't get that excited about it, and the front end? I like the quiet it may have.

No it's not in the Lexus territory. Stop it 😅

Not Kurt in short shorts! 🩳 lol

Test drove a brand new Camry XLE and then test drove a Lexus 2021 ES 300h... Decided on the used Lexus ES 300h with 32k miles and bought it 35k out the door. The comfort, quiet ride, smoothness and refinement is not even close. Camry just felt too cramped especially in the back seat.

Time for a major redesign for the Highlander

when you say it drives the same as es in terms of quiet and smooth, are you talking base es, or ultra luxury es? thanks for the content.

Thanks great review...would you rather have a 2024 CX5 signature or this camry? Gas milage isn't a dealbreaker.

@2004cyrus

2 күн бұрын

I have both! CX-5 is great just worse gas mileage 😊

I have a loaded 2022 Camry XSE 4-cylinder. The ride is very firm (even harsh) especially for rear seat passengers. Did they improve the ride quality? Perhaps the XLE model would be better for me?

@dfeigal

3 күн бұрын

I have a 2025 XLE and the ride is very smooth. Can't speak to the XSE or SE as they have sport tuned suspension which could be different

I am hoping that Lexus steps up quality... BMW is going cheap plasticky... I hope to see a new model of the Lexus NX with premium quality in 2026

@DuderOneKenobi

3 күн бұрын

@@naveenthemachine I fear that you are correct... I am looking closely at buying a 2025 Lexus NX or RX or a 2025 BMW X3... they all just let me down in one way or another...

I wish it up high I’m 6 4 long legs very hard to get into it ugh 😩

Any chance of being able to do a comparison between this and the Accord Touring?

They walk instead of jump Left foot right foot We are all for the better that Toyota is so good now. Tasteful design, excellent quality. But those are not thin panel gap, they are consistent and normal size

Hey Kirk great video! How did you get hired at Lexus to be a sales consultant? Did you start auto sales there or did you have experience somewhere else? Also what would you recommend to someone with a sales background in wireless that wants to get into automotive sales? Thanks! ❤

@KirkKreifels

2 күн бұрын

I applied at Lexus. Present yourself as a go getter and eager to make money. You'll get the job. My friend Eddie worked at Lexus with me. He had a wireless background. Easy transition

I looked it up on the Toyota website and it says for a 2025 Toyota Camry Hybrid the drive connect subscription fee is $15/month.

Try getting the 2025 LE or SE at MSRP!

@KirkKreifels

2 күн бұрын

You can where I live

Does toyota camry 2025 xle in basic standard trim comes with regular sunroof or no sunroof at all

Omg, I have the same Chicco Keyfit 30 carseat in my IS500 and I have put it behind the front passenger seat, otherwise I don't have enough leg room room to drive. Based on what I just saw, would you say the Camry doesn't have that problem?

Cool

Kirk, I am shopping the NX and the Camry....If configured with congruent price points....which one?

I want this as a wagon in an AWD LE trim, since the Signia has 4th generation hybrid mechanicals and is priced too high IMO. If Subaru can sell 200k Outbacks per year, Toyota can sell plenty of Camry wagons if they would market it properly and make it look right.

How does ride quality compare to the Crown Sedan?

My 2019 Camry looks shady in comparison. Although full body is insonorized* and driving wheel leather was stitched myself. I still love my 2019’s 😅

Just as gud as Lexus? Idk bout the IS, but the ES? Nah. The ultra lux trim ride is something u cant elaborate thru words. Gotta experience it

When will the next gen ES come out?

Those rims are very nice looking but i bet they’re a pain cleaning them.

I wish toyota would make a 3 row size base trim real wagon. Make a highlander LE drop it down to 2 rows and put it at 5in ground clearance.

Doesn’t AWD only add 7HP and only kick in when wheel spin is detected at the front wheels?

@2004cyrus

2 күн бұрын

Yes

Abe is going to drive a Lincoln when he grows up.

Just test drove XLE dealer looking for $1000 markup. The fabric microfiber on doors is what's giving me hesitation. I guess the engineers dont have kids. Im wondering how hard it would be to keep clean? It's definitely a comfortable car. Bit quieter than my 2020 Hybrid

@ironrain1x

3 күн бұрын

Don't even need to have kids to see that is a bad idea. I drive around dusty roads and the interior will get caked with light dust when getting out. It's easy to wipe down leather and plastic. It's a pain to dust fabric

@alextyshkevich8210

2 күн бұрын

2020 Camry 4 years ago was quieter too

@2004cyrus

2 күн бұрын

Mine came with a tube of stain guard in the glove box

How good is the ES going to be?

Both XSE and XLE have real leather seats. Only the SE has softex

I went to LA to see it before its debut. I was expecting a brand new body, not just a new front and back grille. Disappointed, yes, I was. Both it and the Accord really went into the field of just plain boring. I have a 2020 Accord Hybrid, thought it was just quirky, but against these new cars, it is definitely sexy now.

I think the XLE looks the best.

@NoNameFish247

2 күн бұрын

Me too, but I can't stand that quilted fabric look on the doors and dash... what's up with that. I'll have to see it in person because my first impression of it is barf... But I want memory seats and the 18 in wheels instead of 19 and you won't get either on an XSE.

@2004cyrus

2 күн бұрын

I bought an XLE on July 2nd. I love it

@shawnbl2048

Күн бұрын

@NoNameFish247 that's the only thing I don't like about it. Should to just went with leather 🤔 smh

I'm still a Honda guy when not in my BMW's, but I'm wondering if all of these used ES owners are getting mid to upper 40's per gallon? It is possible that one doesn't have the refinement of a new or slightly used ES, BUT I'm guessing the delta of smoothness doesn't overcome the gas mileage either if you're buying a commuter/daily driver.

Compare a common Toyota Camry to Lexus is Krazy

Kinda shocked this Camry does not have a digital rear view mirror. I think overall its a good car and rivals the ES. Wish the Prius and a HUD, perhaps the 2025 model? Come on Toyota!

@ibz.a

3 күн бұрын

I don’t think one needs it for a sedan that has good rear mirror visibility compared to higher trunk belt line on SUVs. Also I trying using it; kind of annoying to loook at screen in the mirror

@meesr

3 күн бұрын

Last thing I want is a digital mirror. Unnecessary cost and complication.

@mikej238

Күн бұрын

Waste of money, have it on my Rav 4 Ltd, haven't used it in 14 months since I got it

Msrp for base one which LE with destination fee is 30k

Does the XSE model come standard with 18 inch tires? I would prefer that over 19’s.

@KirkKreifels

3 күн бұрын

Yes

@jayp7201

3 күн бұрын

No. They are 19. The le has 16. Se and xle have 18 and xse has 19’s

@jayp7201

3 күн бұрын

No!!! The xse has standard 19’s xle and se have 18 and le has 16

@jayp7201

3 күн бұрын

No. It is 19 standard