Rode one today. Bought one today. I have a 4 mile commute to my shop and already drive electric. I’m looking forward to my commute.

@pistonburner6448

8 ай бұрын

4 miles? Why not just use a 1000€ e-scooter?

@brendonoleary519

7 ай бұрын

Because this is nicer and he doesn't mind spending the money? Good luck to him.

@jsleeio

7 ай бұрын

let us know what naughty snack habits you suddenly leave behind now that you don't need to buy fuel anymore :-) For me it was Golden Gaytimes (iconic Australian ice cream)

@pistonburner6448

7 ай бұрын

@@jsleeio What? Snacks becuase you don't need to buy fuel?? The exact opposite happens to people who use EVs: they have to spend huge amounts of time at service stations so they eat MORE and spend MORE on snacks & foods & drinks.

@jsleeio

7 ай бұрын

@@pistonburner6448 I only charge at home in my garage. The CE-04 is 100% an urban bike with similar range to the Livewire, if this review is accurate. I ride it every day, often 75km+, and I have never got close to needing public charging. Not even once.

A motorcycle makes you feel like you’re flying. A quiet motor adds to that.

Great to see an electric put together well without a super aggressive riding position (my back!) and without weighing crazy amounts. Hope it comes to Australia, and a level 3 charging model one day.

@baje_246

5 ай бұрын

Level 3 will push up the cost of the bike….

I owned a Nissan Leaf for a decade, put over 100,000 miles on it. We drove it about 40 miles a day at the top end, with a very few days over 120 miles. As a “local riding” bike, it would be perfect. A commuter, run to the local grocery store, running out to the local restaurant kind of vehicle, it is just right. I’d love to see a true fast charging option, as 10 kWh would be charged by a DC Fast Charger in about 6 minutes. That would make all the difference, and allow for long distance travel.

@stefanjepp6612

2 ай бұрын

Fast charging is not a good idea for a 10 kWh battery. I think it would degrade quickly. So better wait a bit longer at the charger. What I would wish is AC 11 kWh, 3 phase charging. This would mean less than 1 h from 0 tob100 Percent.

Another cracking review was good seeing you again in Barcelona 😎🤘until we meet again stay safe 🙏

I've been on a BMW CE-04 for a couple of months now - traded my R1250GSA for it - and felt ~exactly what you described: without the management of engine/transmission there's so much more time in the moment to focus on everything else. So glad to hear someone else have the same experience. I love it and I really don't feel like riding any of my other bikes anymore. I recommend every skeptical biker put their reservations aside for half an hour and try the bike you've reviewed here.

@motorpolitan8884

3 ай бұрын

Uhhhh... Honda DCT?

@jsleeio

3 ай бұрын

@@motorpolitan8884 Nah. Try an electric bike for a while and you'll understand what was meant here

Thanks MCN and Neevsy for the positive review! As a former Zero owner, I encourage folks to take advantage of test riding (experiencing) the S2 (as Neevsy recommends) if it fits your use case.

@fivespeed3026

8 ай бұрын

I am also a former Zero owner. I hope Harley wakes up and quits this garbage.

@sganzerlag

8 ай бұрын

Any of you former Zero owners still riding an e-bike?

@sd5458

6 ай бұрын

@@fivespeed3026Please expound on this comment. This bike is not a Zero. Your comment has zero contextual substance. Do you like the Zero brand? Hate it? Do you have any electric vehicles what so ever? Have you written them off? Harley "quitting" this garbage would mean abandoning EV's altogether? Your comment is dogshit.

@motorpolitan8884

3 ай бұрын

The fact that you said former really says it all.

Road a Zero SR-F (I believe was the model) about a year back. Great quality build. Beautiful looking machine. Super comfortable. Instant torque. Unbelievable riding experience. Didn’t miss the petro noises at all, in fact it led to a better over all experience. The lack of clutch required some getting used to be I did so quickly. The negatives were: 1) Range (100 miles), and Cost: $23K+😮. Couldn’t justify that purchase at all. Wanted a Live Wire1 but stayed away for same reasons. This bike, though nicely packaged, is a “second bike” for people with extra money to spend on a strictly around town bike. Now where can I find 20K? 😢

@J.Harry.T

8 ай бұрын

Not even close.

@vietnameseloempia

8 ай бұрын

Exactly the same for me. Would absolutely love to have a livewire S1 or s2, or zero srf or any energica but the price needs to be much more competitive. Especially when you still have to settle for not so good range and heavy weight

@ChitFromChinola

8 ай бұрын

It’s $15,500.

If i had the cash to splash i would be interested in this, maybe one day in the future would make a good second hand buy, but i cant see them selling too well at that price. To everyone slagging it off this bike would make an amazing commuter machine for somone with a 30 mile trip and those level 2 chargers are everywhere already with more going in all the time. Or just for someone who doesnt do massive road trips and doesn't mind stopping regularly. I do think they should have a put ccs charger on it, as stopping for 15mins to juice up 80% would make this much more practical for longer trips.

Thanks for the great review. It is for the commuters with short distance to and from work . I would love to have 1 but my wife doesn't trust all the bad drivers around us. Other positive things. No oil or plugs to change, no valves to adjust. No waiting for it to warm up. I am waiting a while for a used 1 to come on the market for a cheaper price.

Great review, looks like fun. Looking forward to a few hitting the secondhand market in a few years time (the only way I could afford one)

@blackskunk54

2 ай бұрын

Yep, me too

A good review on how a bike handles and feels. Cars reviews are usually full of technical information. I think both could use a bit of each other. Fix the slow battery charging and reduce the price by 33 percent and you will have the perfect bike.

@seanhagerty3562

4 ай бұрын

I've had a LV1 since October 2001 and I love the bike; Nimble, LOW Center of Gravity, incredible low low speed handling (CG❤), acceleration, ease of controls (no clutch/shift), more focus on what is ahead.. I charge at home. However, a larger capacity battery would be great, and greater proliferation of Level 3 Charge Units would really make may day!!!

Good review. New technology. Dig it.

This and a new Himalayan would make a great 2 bike garage I think, great review.

Telling it how it is as usual 💪🏻 Love electric or hate it, once they’re faster than my bike I’m jumping ship 😁👍🏻

@iROMine

8 ай бұрын

There's some VERY fast ones out there already :)

Wow. Who would have thunk an electric bike was worth a buying! Nice review.

Absolutely fantastic bikes, it's just a shame about the short range.

Great review. It would be good if you would compare it to an existing similar gas bike, i.e. weight and feel and handling, agility, wheelies, etc. It’s hard to know where this bike fits into what we know based on this review.

I've been waching many videos about this bike. You're the only one who talk about the clutch ! There is no clutch which is one of the main part of this bike. It would've been good to show us the area to plug in the charger.

This is a commuter designed for medium city trips like 30-40 miles. Bunch of gas heads here don't understand what these bikes are designed for. The amount of level 2 charge stations in the city are abundant, easy to find and often free. For me, I have a level 2 charger at home, so I can charge at home and work, so it's an efficient commute with extreme power. Im getting a white one.

I get the enthusiasm for these things due to the amazing torque. For me, the negatives are the range(40-80 miles is woeful) and the lack of sound to stir the emotions. I would not say never but there are some serious improvements required before i'll give up my SF SP2 or V4S Sport Multistrada. Bikes are an emotional purchase and sound has such an important part to play on that but I'll concede, that ain't the worst looking bike.

@ChromeMouth

8 ай бұрын

Del Mar owner here, couple things: • The "mid-40's to mid-80's" is a very conservative number. Driving solely in sport mode (lower regen and more snappy throttle) I usually average between 75-85 miles before I decide to throw it on the charger, and that's usually with 18-25% charge remaining (likely an easy 10-15 more miles absolutely hucking it). • Unless you're in the 'loud pipes save lives' club, you won't feel too bad with the sounds it produces, especially under ample acceleration. More of what I miss is the ability to willfully make any sounds besides the horn, otherwise, it's not too bad on that front. Short summation is it indeed doesn't hit all of the usual motorcycle emotional notes, but it brings in new ways to feel like an absolute giggling child to level things back out, not to mention the humor of never entering a gas station on the thing haha!

@kevinspalding5470

8 ай бұрын

Great bike ...but 17 grand ?...wow ...only for the very well off at moment. May not be a toy but still poor mileage really , obviously will restrict your adventures especially as chargers seem hard to come by currently .

@ChromeMouth

8 ай бұрын

@@kevinspalding5470 it's perfectly in the price realm (15k for non-launch edition bikes) of any similar electric rival, and not staggeringly beyond most new, nicer middleweight nakeds (10-12k new). Saying 17 is being a bit unfair, and besides that, maybe you're comparing used bike value to new bike prices, which is also a smidge unfair. Also getting ~100 miles per charge in daily commuting is 10-15 miles below par with what my monster 821 sees, and obviously in highway usage you start to slide that number back farther. Nobody is buying an electric bike to intend to travel (presuming that's your intent with 'adventures'), if you are, you're either admitting you want that challenge or you're not thinking clearly. It's a machine for commuting primarily, with the ability to day-trip in a reasonable range, period. Any more is either your choice of sadistic faire, or plain unfair comparison. (Charging, outside of sunny California, that one's a fair shot but that's no fault of the bike.)

@kevinspalding5470

8 ай бұрын

@@ChromeMouth good write up mate . Never the less I expect a lot more than a commuter for 17 grand . When I say 'adventure'....it's my description of any travel irrespective of distance that is outside of a town or city.

Engine noise or lack of it is a very small concern to me. I do like the torque and the fact it gets going quickly. But, it would be nearly impossible for me to buy one of these because almost every time I get on my bike, I ride over 100 miles. I guess I will need to wait until the range is improved and wait until chargers are more readily available.

Great review.

How would you describe the acceleration Michael, does it feel (up to a point considering it's modest HP output) like a H2SX on boost or a ZZR1400 when you pin the throttle.... or stronger/weaker?

@sunrisejak2709

8 ай бұрын

The Delmar is clearly an "around town" bike running errands I guess with its dismal range. Better compare with a Vespa. And aside from the torque I suspect the Vespa still wins overall.

It would be fun for a second bike. I am not paying $17,000 for it.

@ChitFromChinola

8 ай бұрын

It’s $15,500.

@leesylvester8713

2 ай бұрын

No one cares…

Great commuting bike. I'm just waiting for the price and range to improve them I'm in. I loved the energica bikes when I rode them last year... twist and gone!

@seanhagerty3562

4 ай бұрын

I also looked at the Energia bikes a year after the LV1. I really liked the range...but price$$$ and wait time for delivery ??? make it less attractive. My friend who bought one likes to wave at me when I'm stopped to charge😖😖

@blackskunk54

2 ай бұрын

The energica bikes are gorgeous, would love one

Absolute best review possible, but will it sell any Ebikes....

I was a gear head until own a Tesla. Nice to charge at home, essentially no maintenance just tires. No petrochemical odors. More range will come as batteries evolve for motorcycles. Level 3 chargers make cross country possible but you need more range per charge. This is a perfect commute bike.

@bcdoak2525

2 ай бұрын

My exact experience. My MY Perf has no soul but never going to a gas station changes life.

I have never ridden any motorcycle before I do have my eye on the S2 Mulholland but I've heard it won't be coming to UK so the Del Mar is my next choice I've heard it has 113miles of city range and 86mile highway I would normally be a person that suffers with range anxiety especially with where i plan to go on the bike but with it having reduced range but only takes roughly 1hr to charge that makes a big difference which makes me think I can cope with the reduced range for longer journeys and get to my desired destinations I do worry about falling off motorcycles especially on corners

I like the flat tracker look. I wish they made a gas bike like this.

Interesting. You've ridden the Energica MotoE bike; any chance you'll get to try the Ducati V21L at the end of the season?

It sounds fantastic but here, in Australia, the infrastructure isn't there as yet. Cars are ok, because they have greater range, but bikes haven't got it as yet.

It’s a brilliant motorcycle, including the LiveWire 1.. The acceleration mapping is superior than anything I’ve ever ridden. The ride is composed and confident.. the regenerative braking is predictable. I’m sold but I’ll chose the LiveWire 1 because I enjoy the weight and the forward seating position

@sunrisejak2709

8 ай бұрын

Just don't go further than 33 miles one way or you'll be walking the last mile home! This product doesn't fit the essence of motorcycling and freedom of travel.

@rogerkay8603

8 ай бұрын

@@sunrisejak2709 Our lords and masters do not want us having any freedom to travel......

Looks like fun. Range? everyone has already stated the problem with that. Living in Arizona a short Sunday ride is 150-200 miles. Always 100+ so, that leaves this out until they get solid state batteries with 250+ mile range. But I'll be ready when they do

@AdventuresonZero

5 ай бұрын

Only bad thing about solid state batteries is the inefficient draw speed for power. Solid state batteries are possible, but are more effective in low energy and power applications. A solid state battery could be made and used, however it likely would not be able to keep up with the demands for power draw of a motorcycle

It has the same range as a zero FXE but it weighs substantially more. Whats the point?

I think we need to start talking about rear wheel torque when we compare ICE and electric bikes, just to have a more realistic comparison. Of course, the torque number will be different for each gear when a gearbox is involved, but maybe just compare top gear but note what the torque is in other gears.

@sunrisejak2709

8 ай бұрын

How about torque output per mile covered? Or something that takes into consideration of the application of that torque demonstrating its not very efficient considering the distance covered.

@phillipbatho3213

8 ай бұрын

@@sunrisejak2709 I'm not sure I'm following what you mean? I was talking about how torque is calculated for the output shaft of the motor or engine, but torque is increased through gear ratio reduction. Since the ICE engine crankshaft has more reduction in the way to the rear axle, especially in lower gears, comparing the torque the way we do doesn't really give an accurate impression.

@sunrisejak2709

8 ай бұрын

@@phillipbatho3213 I was inappropriately being a bit sarcastic. Meaning lots of torque but with the short range it will go away quickly meaning endurance is bad. But in a gas bike maybe less torque but over 250 miles you can apply overall more of it. Sorry my fault that my thoughts didn't translate. The range is so bad that you won't get much opportunity to experience all that torque. I gotta think a bit more before I type! 😊

The original Del Mar sold for £12k if I remember right. If this version was £12k, I'd honestly consider it as I really like the looks and the stats sounds good enough to me

Sounds great especially if it impresses Micheal who has ridden just about everything. A big downer though is the range on a spirited ride out. Needs to be a hundred minimum but the bigger heavier battery would likely change the much praised characteristics. Until battery tech advances I reckon this machine is for a fairly niche market.

40 miles is what I do on a push bike on a good day. That's something like 30 minutes to an hour between charges. Go for a spin, find one road is closed and you're stuck.

Once solid state batteries are a thing in bikes, that will be the tipping point. Not before then.

@pistonburner6448

8 ай бұрын

So you'll just surrender to China? And you'll happily bankrupt the nation?

Try that in the winter in Wales......

@richardpinchin3749

8 ай бұрын

Erm….sounds like the ideal bike for the winter in Wales, enough range and limited moving parts to maintain when the bike gets covered in cow mud from a farmer’s field.

Its a great bike !!!

Too expensive for the (lack of) range. A bike HD is so sure of that they created an entirely separate company to hide the losses so it wouldn't affect HD stock.

@alexnutcasio936

8 ай бұрын

And they’re still not selling. Yeah, one or two here and there, but HD, oops, Livewire needs volume and they’re not getting it. This too shall fail.

@ChitFromChinola

8 ай бұрын

The spun off the company so that it would not be encumbered by the baggage of old technology. Innovation belongs to the upstarts, so they created an upstart. They hired innovative engineers and an innovative CEO. They are setting it up to succeed.

No DC fast charging? Only level 2?

Still not a usable bike in my opinion, 17K for a max 80 mile range(?) and over an hour to charge from 20 to 80% (so 60% battery = 50 miles ) it's a no. It's only suited to commuting and for that it's way too expensive.

More people will Approach motorcycles if no clutch and gears. The new generation not use to shifting as cars have abandoned shifting.

🚀⚡💪🔝

No way no how this is or should be the future of motorcycling. Way less than 100 miles range with only 10.5 kWh battery.Maybe 50 miles on a good day,less In stop and go traffic or higher speeds. Long chargers times as well.

@AdventuresonZero

5 ай бұрын

I think 200 miles a day is possible if the area supports it

@alexnutcasio936

5 ай бұрын

@@AdventuresonZero yes, if you want to spend hours at a charger rather than riding.

@AdventuresonZero

5 ай бұрын

@@alexnutcasio936 everyone has their preferences. I can see and do quite a lot while still charging. For some people, it's about the journey, not the destination. And vice versa. I enjoy riding to a small nowhere place, plugging the bike in and connecting with the people, places and things to do there. I've had some really great experiences, all because I had to stop and charge somewhere that otherwise I wouldn't have given the time of day.

Will neevesy have one as a long termer?

Neevesy, I fully believe you when you say that the riding experience provided by that bike is absolutely fantastic. However, I just wish that it lasted longer and was significantly less expensive. For that kind of money vs that kind of range, I'm not really interested. I will gladly let some one else be the early adopter. Best regards from Brasilia, Brazil.

Best? DC charging would be in the "Best's" feature and benefits list. Is it the best urban EV bike? Probably.

Is this for an ev flat track race series? Other than for that, neither price nor range makes sense …. Ev commuters can be had in the form of scooters for way less ash

@AdventuresonZero

5 ай бұрын

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My SuperCub is so quiet i get merged into on every ride.

Let us know when they can go 250km's with a 10 minute recharge time.

In terms of value for money, I ‘ll take my super soco tc max every time.

The problem is, I know I should like this, and I believe it will be really nice to ride (albeit not far), but I can’t see it giving me thrill that riding my Tuono does! Motorcycles are not practical transport (for most riders) I just can’t ‘engage’ with them…

@bobgodytube

6 ай бұрын

Try a test ride?

It would be great for commuting if you could charge it at work... however as a weekend toy aprox 50 miles is nowhere near enough. Battery tech will have to improve massively before these things will be a viable substitute for IC for the vast majority of us. The huge question is can battery energy density at very least double in the foreseable future? Anyone know whats on the horizon in future battery tech?

I would say the styling is great. Sadly I think the battery technology is the real problem. Once you can double the range for the same battery mass, it would be something to consider but as it stands it's not enough. A riding day for me is about 150miles of country roads with a couple stops for lunch and snacks totaling an hour or something. Time is limited with work and kids so I want to enjoy riding and not sitting down waiting for a charge. If I can get an electric motorcycle that's about 200Kg and a range of 200miles and around 100bhp I would consider it (once they come up second-hand at no more then 10K). And I'm talking about a motorcycle from a brand that's isn't some "funky" EV startup. Good for others if they see this as a great option, power to them. The electric future for motorcycles isn't here for me yet.

The only bad thing about this bike in my opinion is the range.........

The price is devastating 😱🤦🏼

Why doesn't the bike have a reverse gear? Electric motors run either direction, It's just a relatively simple control function.

@AdventuresonZero

5 ай бұрын

To be fair, the bike is light (relatively) and is really easy to handle if you need to move it around

So you do about 50 miles in an hour then spend over an hour waiting for it to charge up (if you can find a charger) to do another 50 miles. No wonder you done 47miles in a days ride. £17000 and no negatives?😂

@kennedyracing7527

8 ай бұрын

No negatives🤷‍♂️😝😂 did HD paid you well

@fivespeed3026

8 ай бұрын

10.5kW? My 2015 Zero SR had a bigger battery. FAIL! And I love Harley.

@ChitFromChinola

8 ай бұрын

Re-charging takes 5 sec.

@obeii1805

7 ай бұрын

@@fivespeed3026what’s the amps on the live wire ? I assume u mean bigger battery as more volts ( capacity) I don’t see the volts or amp on the site .. so how u know you have a bigger battery based on the kw? And what’s the volts on the fx

@bobgodytube

6 ай бұрын

You seem to know more about this bike than the professional bike tester who has ridden it😅😅😅😅

On a Petrol Bike U know if u forget to fill up and have to meet the gang soon - it will only take 5 mins to refill .........

I know you have to be positive, but when you said you had a full days ride, but only did 47 miles🤣

@splodge5714

8 ай бұрын

There must have been a drink in it at the end of them 47 miles.🤪😂

@sganzerlag

8 ай бұрын

ROFL.

@AdventuresonZero

5 ай бұрын

Just like ICE bikes, depends on fuel stations. I believe it's quite easy to do a 200 mile day on these. Distance covered is relative. In Texas, not an issue if roads are straight and unfettered. Here in VA, however, 200 miles through mountains would take all day, if not 2 days, to cover.

Hmm 🤔think i might have more fun on a used Zh2 for the money 🙃

I don’t have a problem, with any type of bike! I do, however, have a huge problem, with the government forcing electric propulsion down out throats. That is plain wrong!

Vibrations, sound, involvement, range and diverse options = ICE is the way to go as long as they are legally available!

No where near as beautiful as the Harley Livewire. And no commentary about the 19 front with Dunlop fat track tyres when there was so much focus from the media when the Indian FTR was launched?

When its twice the range and half the price I’ll be interested, until then it’s just an expensive toy

@blackskunk54

2 ай бұрын

Summed up nicely

Still the same story. Nice bike, loads of fun to ride, BUT too expensive, range is too short. AND if you're buying one because you like the green life.. there are alot of valid arguments that indicate its not a great option

I don’t care about the sound or shifting gears. The price is what’s stopping me. If they bring that down I’d get one.

@blackskunk54

2 ай бұрын

Absolutely, well said

40-60 miles range is 100% unusable for most people. I do more than that in a day on commutes.I have 400km home to DK. That would be impossible with this bike.

Live wire 1 looks way more better and beautiful

Electric bikes are perfect for commuting shortish distances and/or town/city riding. Why do all of them have zero ability to carry anything, not even a place to stick your helmet or add a top box? Its bizarre.

soul

Just a rich persons toy £17K for a going to the shops bike, 40 to 80 mile range and price shows everyone how far away we are from going electric, there is not enough range for me to get to Devils Bridge and back for a local bike meet. I am sure it feels great to ride, but only for an hour, then you may need the AA

A socket bike with a sound of a hair dryer. No thanks!

Am I the only person thinking its very expensive.

The biggest positive to this? It's silent. Unlike the wet blat of internal combustion Harleys this thing is going to sound okay!

Overpriced, woeful range, horrible sound. Looks quite good and the torque sounds amazing.

Mark "royalty free southern blues rock" off your bingo card. Honestly, is this a contractual obligation? Can't review the bike unless you open the video with barbecue sauce rock?

Stopped watching once I heard the range. It will get me to work and that's about it 😂

I find these engine torque values a fairly useless measurement, considering they don't say anything about gear reduction, and therefore dont tell you how much torque you have at the rear wheel. For example if this motor runs at lower RPM than a different motor, and therefore has less gear reduction, the rear wheel torque and therefore acceleration may still be lower than that on a bike with less engine torque but more reduction. Obviously electric bikes are very impressive, but to express that with a number that is comparable between bikes (EV and ICE), shouldn't it be rear wheel torque at different speeds? You'd have to consider gear selection on ICE bikes of course. I can produce several hundred pound-feet of torque easily with my legs when riding my pedal bike for example, but i doubt I'd out-sprint any motorcycle.

If it improves the range in these "haulers", we can consider them. But for now it's a "big mistake." And remember that these batteries lose their efficiency over time.

@AdventuresonZero

5 ай бұрын

If you keep the battery constantly hot, yes it will damage the battery. However as a lower voltage battery that can only take 240v or less, it's less prone to damage unless you realllllyyy try to damage it.

Mid forties range of ridden hard. That's absolutely useless. Until these bikes have a range of 200 miles I'll avoid E-bikes like the plague.

Too expensive - the energicas and an urban bike I don’t need, HD

I'm so goddamned tired of seeing the "stressed member" chassis thing as a selling point. At this point, in 2023 whether electric or ICE powered - whatever lies IN THE CENTER OF THE VEHICLE had better damned well be a stressed member of the chassis. It's not 1976 anymore where a bicycle or motorcycle engine is simply bolted to a frame. Even the most basic of manufacturing processes understand this, so if you have a ginormous BATTERY in the middle of your two wheeled vehicle, - it had better goddamned well be a stressed member.

@seanhagerty3562

4 ай бұрын

Thanks for stressing the point.

"It has194 lb-ft of torque"..... No, it doesn't. At least not compared to crank torque on a conventional gasoline motorcycle. I'm so tired of torque figures with EVs. It's not apples to apples. For example; a Dodge Hellcat has over 8000 lb-ft of wheel torque in first gear...... But what does that mean? Nothing, really. It means Torque numbers can be manipulated by gearing and wheel size. As this bike has no transmission, there's no direct comparison when it comes to torque on ICE motorcycles. I rode the Zero SR/S with a supposed 140 lb-ft of torque. I've ridden enough bikes to know that that's not what 140 lbft of torque feels like on other bikes. It should've ripped my shoulders out of the socket or flipped over backwards. It didn't. not even close. The HP number appears to give a more accurate picture.

It wouldn't last a real rider one day before recharging and no biker is gonna sit at the charger for an hr when they could be back on the road this is just dumb

194lb.ft

Nice looking bike. Have you seen the 900 pound EV cruiser motorcycle with 300 Mile range? Forget trying to make bike smaller and lighter but same weight as a gas Harley cruiser. Cruiser people want heavier bikes for the highway

At that price, with that range is just another idiotic move 🤷🏻‍♂️

Zero interest in electric bikes (or cars). I tried it and it’s not the answer. Sure, get a test ride, but make sure it’s a short one. If you tried to do one of your tours around Europe on one of these you’d be spitting bullets.

If any other device you owned was noisy, got incredibly hot, spewed poisonous gas and leaked fluids everywhere you'd think it was junk yet somehow these traits are desirable on a motorbike. The range isn't there yet and it's too expensive but electric vehicles are much better technology.

@c11atn

8 ай бұрын

My boiler does all those things and keeps me lovely and warm thanks

@bk83082

8 ай бұрын

I am very much looking forward to a time when electric motorcycles hit their stride, but come on. Most riders want their bikes to retain every drop of the fluids necessary for the bike to function, and "spewing poisonous gas" is how The Joker terrorizes Gotham City.

@GPR111

6 ай бұрын

Modern ices are very clean not as clean as electric of course. Ev technology is nowhere near as good as it needs to be to tempt me anytime soon, speaking to mercedes ev owner hasnt helped..... they went on holiday just after purchase and spent a lot of time finding charging points, queuing, navigating to another point when first one wasnt in service (as did everyone else so more queuing.... 😮) May be good someday but right now ... no thank you.

This kind of bike is expensive and pointless, and if you consider 70 odd miles as a full days ride, then that says more about you than the bike.

I tried it....... no.

Range of mid-forties to mid-eighties? All for £17,000? Doesn’t matter how good the torque is, ride quality, brakes or overall build quality is; for that price and poor range it’s definitely NOT worth it! Utterly delusional to think that’s a good deal.

Who buys these things? Woeful range. Just jewellery imo.

General Motors in the US followed Ford (yesterday) by stopping ALL EV car production. No one wants them. 390,000 unsold and unsalable EVs. Get with the REAL. Biking is not about Twist and Go - it’s about sensations, noise, gears, skill, staying alive (not in that order). “EBs” if I may call them that don’t cut it for 99% of motorcyclists.

@sunrisejak2709

8 ай бұрын

You're right about EBs,,, but wrong on EVs. My Tesla model 3 dual motor long range is superior to my ICE car a Mercedes C43 AMG (which I love) in nearly every aspect. Costs about 600 buck in electricity to go about 27,000 miles at .09 cents per kwh from my home TIME OF USE meter, whereas the C43 used fuel of about 4,700 bucks for the same distance!!! With those savings I just buy more toys! 🤑Plus in 27,000 of the Tesla no scheduled maintenance required and 100% bullet proof. Best car experience I've ever had and at 70 yrs old I've had 22 cars in just the past 30 years alone. Nobody wants them? is OK. Its simply choice. But to say EVs are somehow inferior is just ignorance.

@OnYoMata38

3 ай бұрын

Silence has always been the future and the future is now.

@blackskunk54

2 ай бұрын

99% is way off the mark, I would buy one for the right price. I know loads of people that would be happy with electric in the right circumstances. You are deciding what other riders would be happy with based on your preferences. Noise & gears do not bother me at all. I have ridden for over 50 yrs 365 and would happily buy EV for the right price. Honda's DCT's are more fun for me than ICE. The REAL is that a lot of people would be happy with EV if the charging stations were there and the bikes were a realistic price with a reasonable range. The future is not necessarily electric, however, it is whatever drastically reduces emissions. It may be Hydrogen, it may be Biofuels or something new. Whether people believe we caused the current climate change or not, climate change is real and we need to do something about it. Be interesting to see how it goes. 😀

there is no way electric motorcycles will ever get any more popular than they are now, this is the peak of Electric Motorcycles. Unless your going to use it to commute but Smaller cars are still better, they are dry and warm and cool in the summer, not sure why manufactures are putting R&D in to electric Motorcycles, Cars are not even going to be electric fully ever, unless our culture and what our idea of a car changes.