lol damn this must be the most brutal one take title yet

@MOON_KID

4 жыл бұрын

Gotta love his honesty though

@yaboirico5221

4 жыл бұрын

@@MOON_KID as someone that wants a Lexus, I appreciate the honesty in this video

@Eggsplanepls

4 жыл бұрын

but i like how he pretty much just gives you the answer towards the end. “gsf folks”

@JacesOwnWorld

4 жыл бұрын

po 100% true though

@Syncopia

4 жыл бұрын

A fitting title for a car that doesn't know why it exists and what it's supposed to do.

When Matt said “enjoy the engine while it last” I felt that 😢

@InnerGuidanceTribe

4 жыл бұрын

Jazzpiano96 why?

@SwoleTony13

4 жыл бұрын

@@InnerGuidanceTribe last good na v8

@805NAVE

4 жыл бұрын

It’ll last basically forever

@MLProductions.1

4 жыл бұрын

@@805NAVE he meant engines like that won't be produced my longer

@santanat.7206

4 жыл бұрын

its Toyota, it will outlast many of the other v8's in the market.

As a Lexus fan I have to agree, because you can go aftermarket on the upgrades and save money

@on-site4094

4 жыл бұрын

I'm a lexus fan but for the extra 30 you can do plenty of upgrades

@dirtysp00ns

4 жыл бұрын

@@on-site4094 Give RR Racing that 30k and they'll make your ISF or RCF faster than Z06

@genkideguire

4 жыл бұрын

I was going to say that same thing. You can even throw in a ohlins setup, titanium Catback, a set of work rims, a CF hood, no need for spoiler, and a tune. For a lot less. Lexus missed the mark for this car.

@KLRGT500KR

4 жыл бұрын

I have an RCF carbon/TVD and yes, I would never trade my RCF for this, but still it has carbon brakes and a lot more carbon fiber. It is also around 170 lbs lighter than my RCF (under 3800 lbs) and only 50 of them so I can see why people have been purchasing them (yes, they are getting sold at MSRP as I know a few people who bought these).

@on-site4094

4 жыл бұрын

scotianFC3S I agree I’m a isf fan and for the price you can get a lot of car today ,,,👍

Track or sport edition on newer cars = bring up the springs stiffnes to 11..

@rickc2102

4 жыл бұрын

Don't forget the bigger wheels and stickier tires. You can mark those up 300%.

@NeedGT3

4 жыл бұрын

I don’t understand this, also why does everyone assume stiffer is better

@LUNCHMONEY4numbers

4 жыл бұрын

Don't forget the carbon fiber dash pieces

@WilliamLevesqueineX

4 жыл бұрын

Honestly, most of these are not that stiff spring-wise. Definitely not full race level. However, they mess around with funky damping curves to make you think they are stiff. Pair that with bumpstop raping and you get a "oMg ItS a RaCeCaR" bounce.

@SavagexRaccoon

4 жыл бұрын

Robert Rowley oh and they’re just fancy carbon fiber vinyl not real but still 1000 option lmao

It’s a good car but doesn’t justify $100k price tag

@truantray

4 жыл бұрын

No car to be driven on public roads justifies $100K.

@RAID3R63

4 жыл бұрын

gotta pay for that carbon fiber

@jo23bulls

4 жыл бұрын

@@truantray take that tankie stuff elsewhere

@stevienguyen2047

4 жыл бұрын

okleydokley what do you mean?

@MemphisDave30

4 жыл бұрын

110% agree. it's not $100K car.. especially when you can pick up the same engine in a 2015-16 RCF version with 10-20K miles for $45K

I drove both extensively on the track as my buddy has a GS-F and I have a RCF with TVD. The GS-F handles much more neutral at the limit, while both on 255 and 275 Pilot Sport 4S and both with TVD in Track Mode. The RC-F tends to under-steer quite a bit while the GS-F is really easy and balanced to throw in corners at the limit. I got the RC-F because I thought it looked better and more aggressive, but did not compare the two at the limit. The RCF is actually a lot heavier than it looks. The curb weight of the GS-F 4034lbs and my RC-F with TVD is 3968. So less than 100 lbs separates these two cars although GS-F seems a lot bigger.

Looks great IMO but damn... $30k more with no extra power or extra weight savings?

@RAID3R63

4 жыл бұрын

alot of weight savings full carbon hood splitters spoiler

@TeRRm0s

4 жыл бұрын

@@RAID3R63 it's not "alot"

@emmanuelferguson

4 жыл бұрын

@@RAID3R63 Those are the lighter parts of the car already. Carbon fiber only really shows when in large quantity or when it replaces the heavier parts, let's say a carbon fiber monocoque. Like that carbon fiber bodied mustang that was featured on Donut Media, it dropped 200lbs which is a fair amount, but it was practically all of the body. Do you know how much that would be on this car??

@Anthony-dk7de

4 жыл бұрын

It weighs 50lbs less than my ISF hurray... not. Lol

@sepehr7402

4 жыл бұрын

@@emmanuelferguson include rims too

What’s up with Toyota? And don’t forget the TRD Camry lol

@bookies5309

4 жыл бұрын

Ravenstylea2 lmao the trd is basically a factory- riced out camry😂

@2ZZGE100

4 жыл бұрын

He does not even know about the $15,000 carbon ceramic brakes that the RCF comes with taken from the LFA. Also, RCF ran an amazing lap around the Thunderhill PCOTY running only behind supercars like GTR, Huracan etc. on street tires without CUO 2 tires. He is hugely underselling (and also ill informed) about the RCF.

@ravenstylea2

4 жыл бұрын

2ZZGE100 he drove the RCF along with many of the competitors’ cars on a race track at 10/10ths. He is judging in real time, not looking at lap times only. The RCF is a tank

@2ZZGE100

4 жыл бұрын

@@ravenstylea2 There were no direct competitors of the RCF. Supra, M2, GTR, Miata, Veloster, Huracan, Mclaren, C8 Corvette etc.Go look at the list of PCOTY. Listen to his podcast. He hated the Supra, he hated the M2 competition. Listen to his podcast. The 10/10 lap was done by a different pro driver. Matt was there to give subjective feedback like the other journalists like Cammissa. Matt does not even know it has carbon ceramic brakes from the LFA. RCF ran a great ap time of 1:27 on the track only behind the GTR. I have driven my RCF carbon/TVD on the race track and trust me, I would outlap Matt any day of the week. The whole understeer/oversteer thing is just how he is balancing the car.

@Spooly_

4 жыл бұрын

@@2ZZGE100 I don't know if we watched the same video. He never said it was slow, he didn't really talk about speed at all. Being fast and being fun to drive are completely different things. He's talking about the overall feel of the car on a track. Of course it can be argued that his judgement is subjective and based solely on his driving style, but in general there is an informal consensus on what makes a track car "fun to drive", and it seems like (if you trust Matt Farah, which if you don't why are you here) this one just isn't. Seems like you actually own one of these things. Now your comments make more sense. No need to justify your purchase to us, if you enjoy the way your car drives, great, I'm happy for you. It's definitely quick. Too each their own.

For that money I would take the LC500

You can get a mildy used NSX or R8 for that money

@Samxdr_

4 жыл бұрын

Which are both way better options! Or a C63s if you want

That is such a brutal title to the video

@Abdullah..S

4 жыл бұрын

And we like it that way

@Kittievr

4 жыл бұрын

It's a fair review of the package. The car is good at what it's made for but its not made for a track toy hence the problems with this package.

@car-lo

4 жыл бұрын

It is not brutal it’s honest....

@boboutelama5748

4 жыл бұрын

Yes. Clickbait of the greatest sort.

Sheeeit take the regular RCF and make my own. 🤣

When I heard they were doin this car I got really excited because I thought it was gonna be a street legal version of the rcf gt3 concept car. Needs to drop 500 lbs and stiffen the floor somehow

"It's not long for this world" Lexus in 2021: IS 500! Thank you Lexus!

This one had the front tires deleted in 6 minutes lmao! And we all know Matt can drive.

Why can’t they stuff the 5.0 in the Supra chassis and add a six speed manual? Then you have a legit halo sports coupe

@carholic-sz3qv

4 жыл бұрын

Because the supra must have an inline 6 engine tho

@opmike343

4 жыл бұрын

The "Supra chassis" is a BMW Z chassis and you're not going to stuff a DOHC V8 into that thing without extensive modification.

@emmanuelferguson

4 жыл бұрын

@@carholic-sz3qv Doesn't a supra also have to be a Toyota car? Well since they threw that out the window, might as well throw out the inline 6 too if you can. I'm not mad at the whole new supra deal, but seriously if your goal is an affordable good car, no body would mind the v8 (if they could get the engine to fit that is)

@nikomoin7604

4 жыл бұрын

A v8 in a supra? Hell no. I agree with the manual

@jerrybillings3039

4 жыл бұрын

Because the whole internet would whine if it had a V8?

I wonder how much it’ll be worth in 20 years when all the v8’s are gone

I know it pushes like a dump truck, but I’m curious though as to what it’s lap times compare to? @thesmokingtire

With the LC500 and the GS-F existing, this car serves absolutely no point.

@KLRGT500KR

4 жыл бұрын

Yes it does. It is much more sport than touring. Those cars are far more touring than the RCF. Much softer, heavier and bigger. RCF gives up size to gain more in driving excitement and outright performance. They all have their own purpose.

@RRSmurf

4 жыл бұрын

The standard one has a point. This one, the 'track' one... Not at all.

@Syncopia

4 жыл бұрын

@@KLRGT500KR Weighs the same as a GSF, there is zero advantage. This is a car with a identity crisis.

@KLRGT500KR

4 жыл бұрын

@@Syncopia No. GSF weighs 4170 lbs. It is 194 inches long (compared to 185 inches) and has softer damping. RCF has a lower CoG. That is the price for that extra practicality and the extra 2 doors. Long wheelbase is more stable on the GSF and TVD is magic in making it shrink around the driver. I will definitely give it that. There is no having your cake and eating it too. This RCF track edition weighs 3800 lbs so it is close to 400 lbs lighter than the GSF. Outright much quicker and has a far more track oriented chassis and suspension.

@johnmartinez5472

4 жыл бұрын

agreed.......

Does anyone have a reason why they couldn’t just base this car on the same chassis of the new gen IS300?? I feel like this would’ve helped. 🤔

@dirtysp00ns

4 жыл бұрын

Always wondered why they didn't make a new ISF, the first gen one was nice

@silvermonk13

4 жыл бұрын

Don’t think the is300 chassis can fit a v8

@on-site4094

4 жыл бұрын

scotianFC3S we need a new isf and no bmw involvement like the supra

@SavagexRaccoon

4 жыл бұрын

scotianFC3S cause just like Toyota said at the Supra launch no one buys these cars new so they get killed off after a few years gotta love those “car enthusiasts” that don’t buy new

I drive one of my customers RCFs all the time and to me I love the way it drives as a Daily Driver

They have to bring the weight down considerably to really impress.

@jesusiskingofkings3960

4 жыл бұрын

Dan The Man Yeap, make it a 2,100lbs car.

Im loving the homer helmet Matt

Hmm you forgot carbon ceramic brakes which costs about 10K as a option for other brands. Also called 3800LBS heavy, but C63 is 4000LBS, M4 is 3700LBS, RS5 is also around 4000LBS, Q50 Redsport also around 4000LBS

They should of at least put a supercharger with it for 90k.

@Kyronsk8

4 жыл бұрын

Devin Kim weak internals?

@ChrisGiovenco

4 жыл бұрын

@@devinkim4588 look up RR-Racing they specialize in supercharged Lexus cars such as IS-F/GS-F/RC-F. The cars can handle 600+whp

@AlineaEuros

4 жыл бұрын

@@devinkim4588 well engines from both manufacturers have proven to be able to take abuse, but everytime you try to make it faster you're still gonna make it last less eitherway.

@AlineaEuros

4 жыл бұрын

@@devinkim4588 aside from subaru and bmw colab, I don't really know what you mean by "toyota isn't what they used to be".

@LexVVTiS300

4 жыл бұрын

@@devinkim4588 RR Racing has an 800hp supercharger tune for the RCF. They have put over 100k miles tracking it with no issues. They been supercharging this motor since the ISF.. It can definitely handle abuse

This is what the internet was made for. Oh, and memes.

WOW! This was really fun to watch.

That engine sounds amazing! But yeah, if I actually ever had any money at all, I'd take the LC500 over this every time.

Just get the regular RCF and throw 30k at it. And you'll get a real track monster

Love the honesty. Love that engine

$90k is a nicely equipped Cayman (just $10k more and you get the GT4), a 2020 C8 with Z51, Supra GS, GT350R... All of which I would take in a heartbeat over this Lexus for that kind of money. And yeah the interior and ride quality may be better, but it's not good enough to take over those other cars.

All the RCF needs to handle better would be wider tires and a inch lower to compensate for the weight. I'm talking about both track edition and non track.

Track Edition also comes with Carbon Ceramic brakes, a titanium exhaust and I believe lighter control arms.

Didn't this have a torsen diff instead of the standard?

What I cant ignore is how behind the car Matt's eyes are. His eyes hit the apex as he is turning towards it...makes for choppy driving and tire wear. Your eyes should be at the apex and identifying turn in with peripheral, once turn in, then apex becomes peripheral...he is WAY back from that. Hence why his driving hasn't improved in years of watching.

Where you get that homer helmet?

That's why I plan to buy one used in a few years.

How did you leave out the carbon roof?

Get a regular RC-F. Then get a carbon hood from Seibon, custom wing. Nice tires and rims. And a custome Ti Exhaust. Still less than from the factory with this. All about how much bread $ you got... which I got none

What do you think? RCFTE or a GT350?

How do you not mention the carbon ceramic brakes and the titanium exhaust? It's not all cosmetic carbon fiber upgrades.

Might as well look for a lc500 at that price.

They want $15K for that damn hood. Tried to get it for my 2015. The weight doesn’t matter man, the RCF is such an amazing daily driver.

Isnt there only 60 being made?

I was gonna ask about the GS F because you liked that car so much. The GS seems to be the better choice

@2ZZGE100

4 жыл бұрын

He is biased. GSF is much bigger, heavier and has a long wheelbase and also slower. RCF gives up some practicality, but gains in performance and handling. GSF has a bigger rear cabin and rear doors. It is also tuned softer than the RCF, but for someone like me, I purchased the RCF carbon/TVD because of the styling, smaller size and sportier drive.

@akramishmael5604

4 жыл бұрын

@@2ZZGE100 He's somehow biased, but you're the one that bought an RCF? Most reviewers agreed that the RCF is inferior as a driver experience.

@kickyadick

4 жыл бұрын

@@akramishmael5604 It is hard not to be a bit biased since he did purchase a RCF. I had to believe even though RCF IS no doubt the inferior car of the two (literally pieced together from 3 other cars and heavy AF), it should not be far off until you drive it on the track. Right now RCF is running high 30K and low 40K, sounds like a good deal to me. 96K for a mildly-upgraded (tire, wheel, hood, wing) with a 30K up-charge, is an insult to our intelligence.

@2ZZGE100

4 жыл бұрын

@@akramishmael5604 I have driven both extensively. Only the fact that GSF comes with TVD standard while RCF has it as part of the optional carbon/TVD. I have the carbon/TVD and drove only the carbon/TVD and it is a lot more nimbler, sharper, smaller, lighter and stiffer than the GSF. GSF is almost a foot long so I did not like how big it felt. I cannot speak for the LSD RCF.

@2ZZGE100

4 жыл бұрын

@AustinSBL306 You are absolutely clueless hater. I own an RCF and have taken my RCF to the track. I would not have spent so much money buying an RCF carbon/TVD and keeping it for a very long time in the future, if it was not incredibly fun and exciting car to drive. I could not care less about numbers. It is about driving fun even when I take it to the track.

I'm in... Just buy it second hand, right?

I remember seeing this thing at the NYAS and I thought to myself.... "It looks nice but 100k price tag?Why?"

This car needs to ditch the electric seats, use titanium exhaust and carbon ceramic discs. Use dry carbon roof, bumpers and trunk lid. That alone will shave 80-100 kg. Ditch the auto and put in 6 speed manual. Put some ITBs on those V8. Use what they learn from LFA to channel the intake roar into cabin. Tune the suspension and dial out that nasty understeer. Make 500 units and charge $110k.

When you think about it, that hood is 10k+, exhaust another 10k+ front lip, side skirts and diffuser, another 7-8k. Still way too expensive tho

Wow 90k .... Who are they targeting?

@N4CR5

4 жыл бұрын

bimmer/merc morans

Appreciate the honesty.

So 90+K for what is essentially a newer more bloated version of an E92 M3 that doesn’t handle as good?

Appreciate the honesty

It probably runs slower times than a $35K front wheel drive Civic Type R. We know for sure it runs significantly slower track times than a Camaro SS 1LE or Mustang GT PP2, which cost $50K.

Highly disagree with sentiment on the base RC-F in the description. It's a great car in the 60k range and just about the perfect daily driver. You pay for the quality of manufacturing, parts, etc., and if there ever was a performance vehicle worth buying it's one with a 2UR-GSE. Save the leases for the time bomb M or AMG engines.

@spencer1638

4 жыл бұрын

100% agreed. I’ve had my RC-F for the last four years and as a daily it has been a joy to own. From cross-country and up and down both coasts, to day-to-day life in NYC, the car hasn’t had a single issue. Not even a rattle. Few cars I’ve ever driven inspire more confidence in their build quality. It isn’t a track toy, but as a fun, fairly fast daily GT it is hard to beat.

@SeanyMacks

4 жыл бұрын

If you're calling your RC-F a great car becuase it's good to cruise with from coast to coast you pretty much proved Matt right.

@on-site4094

4 жыл бұрын

MrCarGuy20 exactly save the leases for the European vehicles The isf/ rcf./gsf are not a garage queens 👸 There multi. Purpose vehicle you can track them and use them as daily drivers with all the comforts of reliability and luxury

They need to put that engine in the 3rd gen Tacoma's

Love your helmet :)

This title reminds me of Chris Harris’ take on the cullignan, he was absolutely pissed

2015 RCF Carbon Owner and I agree. You can get used RC-F for 50K and get to Stage 3 Supercharge for under 90K.

wow a real review

For 30k more, I would expect at least a carbon fiber hood, trunk, roof, and possibly doors to cut down the weight.

I really love my RC350 and still contend it's the right RC to own. They're GT cars, not sports cars. It's a beautiful, comfy car with a nice interior and some power that's reasonably nice to drive, but ultimately it's a Interstate mile slayer for road tripping and commuting.

Why are they so heavy??

They should have took the GT350R route with Carbon Wheels. Would have benefited this car WAY more than the rear wing.

I like how he shitted on the car the whole drive. Lol

Were you even trying to drive the car? Those beeping sounds were you missing shifts too. Lol

Matt, you forgot to add that it also has a titanium exhaust system. Its lighter overall with the carbon bits and lighter wheels but only like 150lbs I think......I agree though, too much extra money for little gains.

I have an RCF with the performance pack that I picked up certified for less than 50k. is a BMW (or whatever) a second or two faster around a track? Sure. do I have a naturally aspirated V8 that is balls out fun, still pulling hard at 150 with Toyota reliability and a kickass Sound system. yes I do. Seriously it is the best daily driver ever. GSF is heavier and a 4 door. Lastly, If you must have more power a supercharger kit puts 7-800 HP at you fingertips for less than 10k

0:52 "and you get to say you have the track edition" LAMOO Sadly enough, there's people out there that will pay extra just to be able to say that

Only 50 RCF track editions being made. It’s a collector cars. All the other cars that people are comparing to are mass produced and will drop in value. It also has carbon ceramics brakes, different gearing, carbon fiber everywhere and a lot of there things. If you want an actual track car you buy a ISF take it to RR Racing and have a 630whp monster.

I'll stick to my 06 lexus is 350 lol

@krakdaus5442

3 жыл бұрын

I need an isF or I do... That v8 bruh

Don’t forget! It has a titanium exhaust!!!!! Whoa!

Lexus bullet proof reliability. But it should not cost so much for that. O well. Wait 10 years for it to hit the used market if you have to have one. Until then, just look for SC300's and 400's

a waste of money my ass, that thing is beautiful my man!!

Quality video.

beautiful track

Big Lexus fan but with that price tag I’m all over the 2020 C8 Vette.

Didn’t hold back on that caption 🤣🤣

Comments are really nice this time compared to other vids like gm ones

You might consider it a waste of money but that thing sounds AMAZING!!!

@dylanorr2127

4 жыл бұрын

Glad you like it. You can get the same engine in the lc500 or gsf for the same money AND have a superior car.

How much better would the base model be than this if you bought it and added $30,000 in aftermarket parts yourself??

Looking forward to Lexus LC-F . Twin turbo v8 producing 600+ HP. 😉🔥

Damn Camisa was flying.

I own a ISF and to be honest love it so much I want to also own a 2020 RCF but non track edition. I agree for me it's a waste but you gotta love these cars. I'll be purchasing a 2020+ styled one when I pay off my ISF next year. I wont be selling my ISF I'm just going to add the RCF to my car collection

New rcf is an amazing road car.

i don't know why they didn't stuff this engine into a lighter chassis like the is300 which would have been a monster with that engine package

No amount of aftermarket will make the RC F a competitor. Chassis and weight issues remain. I had, modified, and sold a 2017 RC F. Great cruiser, yes. Track monster or street racer, not a chance.

That yellow Porsche(camisa) said ...bub-bye.

That helmet though!!!!

I hope Lexus’s next generation of luxury sport coupes use the Supra/Z4 chassis. I think the NA V8 in that chassis would be a magical combo.

@carboydorifutoparty3976

4 жыл бұрын

They aren't. It's strictly staying with the i6 unless some customer thinks of swapping it themselves.

I'm grateful to Lexus for keeping the V8 naturally aspirated engine. The only problem I have with them is that they don't want to put manual transmissions with those V8s and it's more insulting when they don't even have it on a Track Edition of this. I'll be honest I'd get this if I had money and was absolutely fine with automatics but sadly none of those categories work for me.

do you guys think a Trackhawk could lap quicker than this thing? I wonder.

@MiguelGarcia-vj7oo

4 жыл бұрын

LMAO that would be so sad if it could...... 😂

"Enjoy the engine while it lasts." IS500: "You rang?"

Watching you try to get that thing rotated and around corners looks like it’s made of lead. Glorious exhaust note but I think Lexus IS confused as to what direction they’re trying to go when it comes to where they stand as a brand amongst its competitors in 2019/2020. I’m a euro car guy but Lexus needs to stick to what they do well and that’s cars like like the GS.

anyone else notice at 4:11 he got scared looking at the tire wall

@lgv7vlgv7v97

4 жыл бұрын

he is too big for this car

As an RCF, ISF, IS200, IS300 GTE swapped owner, I'd never buy the track edition. For 30k in mods, I can get a SC and the rest of those parts and then have better times for FAR less money. Edit: Even the standard one drives similar to what Matt says. I've noticed an insane amount of understeer when trying to slide it.. Chassis is way to stiff and struggles to grip in the rear. the ISF has way more rear grip even with less tire.

96k for a Toyoda??? Loool

I agree wholeheartedly. On my RCF, i was able to achieve everything i wanted with aftermarket parts, and personalize it to my taste for about 30K on top. The amount of money they're asking for, for the new RCF with this new track edition package, is simply unjustified. Not to mention the dealer markups on top of the asking.

@Anthony-dk7de

4 жыл бұрын

How much hp does yours have now? Thanks

@N4CR5

4 жыл бұрын

Carbon brakes are FUCKING EXPENSIVE on any car. That's why it costs so much and he didn't even mention that.

Oh that engine is wonderful but the track edition is certainly not worth $30k more. I’d buy the regular model and for $10k get a nice Öhlins setup and some wheels and/or tires for the track. Lexus has big nuts charging this much for the package

You have a pretty abrupt turn in causing understeer and eventually overheated front tires. Did it in the Vette too.

@Syncopia

4 жыл бұрын

His turn in is fine my dear keyboard warrior