It's almost like ideologically slashing public sector was a bad idea.

@kanedNunable

25 күн бұрын

and they claimed it was to save money but the national debt tripled?!?

@smon4164

25 күн бұрын

Or they wanted to make it terrible so they could privatize it and make it a business like in the U.S.

@applecounty

25 күн бұрын

@@kanedNunable But by Privatising the Probation Service some rich individual pocketed loads of cash.

@ashroskell

25 күн бұрын

Precisely. And the Tories have their old playbook to use, which they’ve reached for like clockwork toys. Anonymously sourced articles in the client media saying, “Look how expensive Labour’s plans are. They’re scare mongering!” And in six months or less, “Look how long it’s taking to get any results!” Well, not this time, Rishi! This time each Cabinet head is conducting root and branch studies of each department and holding up the receipts for the country to see! So that all Britains (who pay attention) KNOW, if it’s expensive and time consuming, that’s because of the diabolical MESS the Tories made of it! And here’s the EVIDENCE!

@ashroskell

25 күн бұрын

@@applecounty: That’s what would have happened if, by some miracle, the Tories had clung to power. Their plan was to run everything from Health and social care, to prisons and the security services, into the ground, so that the robber barons get to play the, “white knight,” role when they privatised the lot. Almost as if putting a billionaire venture capitalist in charge of a country (which he just viewed as so many assets to be broken up and sold off) was a bad idea, right? We would have ended the next parliament with a bunch of privatised, rival police forces roaming the streets like packs of wild dogs, and all of us living in fear of defenestration if we say the wrong thing about someone, like it was Russia now!

What this does explain (at least to me) why the Tories where doing such a terrible job at campaigning, they DIDNT want to win, if they are 400 convictions away from a collapse of law and order, and being unable to find a solution, it’s exactly the sort of mess they would leave labour.

@michaelenglish2066

26 күн бұрын

i did think the same myself.. they wanted to loose 100%

@Jonnyonthespot123

26 күн бұрын

Explains why the Prime Minister would announce a general election date in the rain without an umbrella without telling his cabinet first

@DrVictorVasconcelos

26 күн бұрын

I mean, if every PM since Cameron had been an ideological communist trying to force the population into a state of revolution, a lot of things would certainly make sense 😂

@samuelfawell9159

26 күн бұрын

@@Jonnyonthespot123 they could see was coming, tried to jump before they where left dealing with a extremely serious problem

@Jazzy65-p7n

26 күн бұрын

So release prisoners like the leader of the child groomers ? How would that make you feel if you were one of his many victims ?

Its definitely not made up. I went out with a prison nurse about a decade ago and none of this is new. The Tories have genuinely done NOTHING.

Quite a few Tories should be investigated and would certainly end up in prison.

@Commsfarage

26 күн бұрын

Just torys silly Billy

@JamesStonley

26 күн бұрын

@@Commsfarage but there's not enough space in prison

@Missydee-72

25 күн бұрын

@@CommsfarageOf course. Lefties NEVER do anything wrong ever. They think that’s a fact!

@MissyGail4eva

25 күн бұрын

😢😢😢vira​@@Commsfarage

@lestrem11

25 күн бұрын

Maybe, but they would be released the next day……

If you knew anyone in prison you would know the crisis is not made up.

@harryfaber

26 күн бұрын

I know a lot of people who should be in prison, one of them is going to start on a 'reality TV show'.

@kitm141

26 күн бұрын

100%. I’ve known people in prison and people who work in prisons - not one of them would say prisons aren’t overcrowded, understaffed and underfunded.

@sfactory8253

26 күн бұрын

@@kitm141 ditto. The whole system is in absolute crisis .

@dogkicker100

26 күн бұрын

worked in plenty as a pipe welder , bars, security ect i noticed they are full of none brits and i mean full

@tomarse99

26 күн бұрын

@@kitm141 ditto, even the better managed ones are chaos.

So what have the Tories been doing for the last 14 years apart from lining their own pockets and those of friends and family?

@harryfaber

26 күн бұрын

Lining the pockets of their secret lovers? I don't know, what have they been doing? They tried to blame Starmer for not prosecuting Margaret Thatcher's friend Jimmy Savile, maybe Jim advised her on Cyril Smith. They are blaming the current migration crisis on Tony Blair, almost as if they haven't had 14 years to undo anything he did. I am not a great fan of executing all the members of former governments but sometimes I wonder...

@nickwalsh527

25 күн бұрын

Nope, that's it.

@chrissanders1027

25 күн бұрын

Using the public as their own bank account.

@KenDignam

25 күн бұрын

Doing exactly that

@gwyn111

25 күн бұрын

Well if you want to make bank off prisons, like in the US, don't you massively expand the number of prison places under private contracts and make sure you fill them whilst publicly stating you are cracking down on law and order? The fact this wasn't done (it would be both popular and lucrative) suggests incompetence rather than maliciousness.

This country has been sleepwalking into this mess for decades

@iwantsomecookies08

26 күн бұрын

1.4 decades, precisely

@simoncox9689

25 күн бұрын

@@user-ir5wq6db8e no it did not stop trying to blame labour for the last 14 years of tory rule

@user-ir5wq6db8e

25 күн бұрын

@@simoncox9689 Can you explain why the UK prison population doubled between 1997 and 2010 (and has stayed at that level until today)?

@Gd79od

23 күн бұрын

​@@simoncox9689let's not blame the great Labour Party for anything!! I'm no Tory but do you realise how ridiculous you sound

@richardharrison903

23 күн бұрын

@@user-ir5wq6db8e This is not the same as running out of capacity though, is it? Read!

So there was no investment at all over the past 14 years. What a shocker. Party of law and order! Lol

@bigbinji6145

26 күн бұрын

remember it was a left wing Tory government afraid to upset middle class ''progressive'' / Bigoted ? activists who demand we all should consider criminals are lovely people who did not enjoy their priviledge ..........we need 50,000 more prison places immediately ................with barriers to Islamist criminals treating prison as an alternative lifestyle

@calumhenderson9404

26 күн бұрын

No no no. there was plenty of investment abroad. why would we need more infrastructure in Britain? it's not like we've added millions more people to the population.... oh wait...

@SamHarrisonMusic

26 күн бұрын

Party of economic stability too remember 😂 that crashed the economy… all the lies have come home to roost

@Adamtendo_player_1

25 күн бұрын

The Tories are the party of sleeves, corruption and misogyny.

@robertandrew5768

24 күн бұрын

​@@calumhenderson9404Naw, nothing but record immigration.

This isn’t new, Tories were releasing people 6 months early including violent offenders. This is very much an inherited problem.

@markryan3498

26 күн бұрын

hmm, released 6 months early, or serve 40% of my 8 year sentence for extreme violence. omg decisions decisions

@RedJadeArt

26 күн бұрын

@@markryan3498 labour have said absolutely nothing about releasing people THAT early. Quit talking goo.

@lizdocherty3067

26 күн бұрын

​@@markryan3498true Starmer asked Sunak at PMQs a few months ago if criminals convicted of violent crimes including domestic abuse would be released early, don't think he answered the question, what a surprise.

@johnjephcote7636

25 күн бұрын

Sounds like 'Care' in the community.

@RedJadeArt

25 күн бұрын

@@johnjephcote7636 he said something like “they shouldn’t be released” - what he didn’t say was “they aren’t/will not be released”. The only correct answer to the question of “are we releasing violent offenders early” is “no”, and Sunak’s lack of certainty didn’t inspire faith.

What are the chances that the plan all along was creating a crisis in the publicly run prision service so that the Tories could hand out contracts to private for profit companies to step in?

@hannahcallow6374

26 күн бұрын

Freinds & family's you mean

@Barfbagdontsag

26 күн бұрын

Has there ever been a situation that privatizing worked? It’s like Americans believing in “trickle down economics” every four years or so they’re like “this time it might work.”

@nigelhart3897

26 күн бұрын

Tory policy has always been underfund then privatise, with the obvious backhanders associated with their crony contracts.

@DrumToTheBassWoop

25 күн бұрын

They did, remember G4S running prisons, ended in riots.

@johnjephcote7636

25 күн бұрын

And after the privarited prison system, then a privatised police force.

I always suspected the Tories didnt want to win ..

@brinjoness3386

26 күн бұрын

They realised they had stolen everything apart from the crown jewels. Although I wouldn't be surprised if they had managed a way to hock them

@kanedNunable

25 күн бұрын

nothing left to sell off. they need to let labour rebuild before they come back and do it again.

@chrissanders1027

25 күн бұрын

And the headbangers still voted for them.

@dvvecchio7193

5 күн бұрын

@@kanedNunablethe same Labour who will tax us to the eyeballs and make us all poorer,that one?

Out of sight - Out of mind. Hospitals and Prisons - same thing - care in the community broken and defunded....

Ahh that well known Tory department of putting fingers in ears and going la la la…. And Nick Ferrari has the audacity to say we should shut up and ignore the failures of the last 14 years.

Why would the Tories want spare prison places? The chances are they'd end up filling them after all the investigations

Jails are full of non violent offenders, surely removing people who got done for drugs, theft and other minor crimes and putting them on rehabilitation programmes isnt a big deal

@brinjoness3386

26 күн бұрын

Should be the first option. 3 months in jail or 6 months picking up litter.

@Olyfrun

26 күн бұрын

​@@brinjoness3386how about 6 months picking fruit?

@harryfaber

26 күн бұрын

The rehabilitation programmes have dried up too...

@brinjoness3386

26 күн бұрын

@@Olyfrun 12 months if they want that, I am a socialist green communist, but I have my limit. If farmers want labour they can open their wallet wider.

@HorusHerotic

26 күн бұрын

​@@Olyfrunwant your plantations back do you ?

Jail have been too full for a number of years now, The Conservative party just did not address the issue. Not only have jails, being too full The Conservative party would use the number of police officers actually working on the streets. The lack of police officers as calls for crime to rise across the country, and this has not been addressed. So not only are jails to full and we haven’t got enough police officers. We also have a lot of people who should’ve been prosecuted for crimes, have not actually been caught or dealt with. How many of us know if we report a burglary the police won’t turn up for a day or two and that’s if they turn up?

@davidprosser457

26 күн бұрын

Well it makes sense doesn’t it- if there’s no jail spots why employ more cops to pince more criminals? Less cops- less arrests- less cells needed! The tories would stoop to levels many people could not even imagine in their wildest dream (or nightmare)! However they’ll vote em back in at some point!

@MrPlannery

25 күн бұрын

Additionally look at what they did to the court and justice system. Hollowed out and described as enemies of the people

Just make more Prisons in Rwanda and Suella Braverman can be the warden there.

@russellbradley454

26 күн бұрын

Since when was Rwanda a British colony or possession!

@MrCrownedClown

26 күн бұрын

Rwanda is already a prison. Just sent criminals there.

@jakelister5152

25 күн бұрын

Rwanda just wants money so it's a cheaper option

Really like this idea of James holding up the Daily Mail and the Telegraph to show us what drivel the average Tory voter is reading and then debunking it systematically. I hope he keeps doing this.

Come on Labour, media reform must be one of your top priorities. The media should be reporting the news, not promulgating lies.

@ProfNDKai

25 күн бұрын

💯 they need fines for reporting on things that are not too hard for them to have fact checked Fines and penalties, named and shamed

We need reform of the whole system. Sentence should focus on rehabilitating those we can and seperating more long term those we can't

@kef0205

25 күн бұрын

Unfortunately, in the words of James Timpson, 'the British public is addicted to punishment.' A majority of the electorate feel that 'crime is crime' and anyone who commits an offense deserves to be punished to the full extent of the law, and then given the worst possible treatment inside (ignoring the fact that this is already technically beyond the scope of the law, as the loss of liberty is supposed to be the punishment, you're not supposed to abuse people inside on top of it). Hopefully Labour can bring about serious reform - and should do so immediately at the height of their majority - but it's not a vote winner, especially considering the state of our press.

@hannahcallow6374

25 күн бұрын

@@kef0205 I'm a gamer and I love prison architect, but I always add a reform mod 😂 Realistically, prison is treating the symptoms, not the cause. In the London Riots when I heard kids were nicking food that should have been a major red flag

Stop putting decent people, such as caring climate campaigners, in prison. They don’t deserve it.

@nickchivers9029

25 күн бұрын

I agree, unless of course, they break the law while doing so.

We must reform the house of lords now. Failing priministers must not be allowed to reward these people like Grayling. That is the crime.

@weareallbornmad410

25 күн бұрын

Why do you lot have an unelected house specifically for aristocrats, again...?

I read about this before Labour came into power!

I suggest everyone reads The Secret Barrister's "Stories of the Law and How It's Broken" It's the legal equivalent to James O'Brien's "How They Broke Britain"

We are living in a failed state. The failures of privatisation, lack of investment, monopoly's on energy, wage theft, a healthcare system on the verge of collapse. How do we fix it? Tax the rich and hold those responsible for the failures in government to account.

As someone who works in the CJS... No they are not. It's a complete mess, hardly any rehabilitation going on unless people get very long sentences

There's a bloke on my street who is beating his kids every day, sometimes even out in public. The kids are pretty much feral & just run around the neighbourhood screaming, fighting & breaking stuff. The police are coming down multiple times a week, as are social services, but NOBODY IS BEING ARRESTED OR REMOVED FROM THE HOUSEHOLD. He needs locking up & the kids need fostering so they get half a chance at life. Not happening though & the fallout from the situation is ruining lives. That's what a breakdown of law & order looks like James, not custody sergeants trying to juggle prisoners & cells (although that certainly happens - it's hardly the worst aspect of this.)

@lizdocherty3067

25 күн бұрын

People in the police, prisons and social services have seen their work conditions deteriorating, funding cut the bare minimum, too few people on shift for numbers being looked after, and a collapse of support agencies both charitable and government due to lack of funding. That's were the problems start, no safe places to put families from abusive situations.

There are some people in prison who have stolen a coat for 18 months or more and then just left there indefinitely! These are the people who should be released!

@bigbinji6145

26 күн бұрын

stolen a coat ???............more like this their 40th conviction for shoplifting . Our pathetic liberal judges and magistrates have been allowing these vile indolent miscreants to mob handed raid supermarkets with impunity for years

@Vegansharks

26 күн бұрын

I also have problems understanding why a judge would give someone 6 months for stealing a coat, failing to pay their TV licence or housing tax and yet pedophiles only sometimes get just a few months more..

@markryan3498

26 күн бұрын

there are people who just put stickers on things

@davidprosser457

26 күн бұрын

Why are they left their indefinitely? Can you give me an example of this?

@joeegg90

26 күн бұрын

@user-SubvurzIV Really? You need to give an example where this has actually occurred.

It's already happening all over England. The local shops are having to deal with blatant shoplifting on an epic scale. The thief will often go back to the same shop 3 to 4 times in one day. The country is broken, we can only hope Labour act quickly.

@rt492

26 күн бұрын

Act quickly and do what?

@markryan3498

26 күн бұрын

dont you worry Labour are about to release habitual career shoplifters en mass, what do you think is going to happen then

@TheMrReee

26 күн бұрын

@markryan3498 what is your short term solution fella? Criticism shouldn't come without a solution.

@hannahcallow6374

26 күн бұрын

Sounds like treating a symptom to lock them up

@markryan3498

26 күн бұрын

@@TheMrReee ok fella, the short term solution would be, to build more prisons, its not like we didnt build nightingale hospitals practically over night is it

why do i feel like the running theme is gonna be 'people getting mad at labour for doing things they weren't bothered about the tories doing'?

The billions the government wasted on track and trace would have built A LOT of prisons.

@deco2132

23 күн бұрын

No doubt you happily took your monthly salary through furlough though??

@bookie5667

23 күн бұрын

@@deco2132 I didn't take anything from the state.

@EdgeKisaragi

23 күн бұрын

@@deco2132what does this even mean in response? Let man be angry how HIS taxes are spent.

So there's not already a breakdown of law and order on the streets then? To say nothing of the corridors of power.

The early releases started about a month ago and are continuing. Not to solve the problem, just to alleviate it and stop it totally collapsing. So the tories plan was to not solve it. Just do the bare minimum to stop it collapsing.

Austerity the nightmare inflicted on the masses and thought up by the privileged class whose lifestyle has not changed one bit.

@richardchorley1593

26 күн бұрын

Tubby Kammeren living high on the hog

@deco2132

23 күн бұрын

Where was the austerity exactly?

I guess now we know why they called the election early... This was very clearly something Sunak knew was coming.

If your prisons are full, the biggest concern is not whether someone can commit crimes with impunity, but how many of the people currently in prison shouldn't be there.

What's that? The building of new prisons hasn't kept pace with the increase in population? Let's hope this doesn't happen to the NHS eh ....

Stop giving non violent offenders jail sentences!! Problem solved

@hannahcallow6374

26 күн бұрын

I like the idea of awkward sentences, like sentencing someone to maths lessons until they get an above average passing grade, or painting walls with toothbrushes 😂

@johnpaulnash8144

26 күн бұрын

So car thieves and car vandalism that costs individuals a lot personally should not expect the culprits to serve time.

@ln6593

26 күн бұрын

Well then you have the same issue as in San Francisco & NYC - people robbing under $900.

@ChartreuseDan

26 күн бұрын

​@@johnpaulnash8144 It'll cost the victim yet more if the culprit has to be imprisoned. Over 40 grand a year, and when the culprit gets out they'll be even more likely to do another crime

@rahuldahoob

25 күн бұрын

WOKEY COKEY

I was working in Probation up to 2017 and they were sending instructions not to send people to prison then. So no not a new problem. On that timeframe alone they had 7 years to do something but did nothing.

Can't imagine any Cop or Prison Officer being able to blurt out how 'strained' thing are without worrying about keeping their job.

@UnlikeMitchell

20 күн бұрын

You’re telling me.

These cuts are an absolute disgrace - not content with taking more than 20,000 police officers off our streets, under the Conservatives 23,500 staff roles have been slashed too. How many people in this country have said the police do not come if you called them for assistance. Why is crime grows so exponentially on the streets of England? I think the answer is very clear!

@ChartreuseDan

26 күн бұрын

Mass unemployment and recession-related poverty comes to mind as a reason for an increase in crime, if the government was going around making tens of thousands of people unemployed

has there ever been a Tory answer to a problem that wasn't "give more money to the private sector" or "longer prison sentances"?

They could clear loads of prisoners if they released the IPP prisoners as they should have done years ago.

@russellbradley454

26 күн бұрын

IPP ?

@lizdocherty3067

26 күн бұрын

​@@russellbradley454prisoners kept in prison long after the sentences have been served as they say the public needs to be protected from them. One man has been in prison for over 20 years for attempting to steal a coat!!!! I know sounds like a horror story but it's true, saw a documentary about it lately.

@DrumToTheBassWoop

25 күн бұрын

​@@lizdocherty3067Charles Bronson ?

Listen to Alex Chalk, now ex-Minister and ex-MP, who is sounding more like the intelligent man he probably is rather than a government robot programmed to criticise Labour and spout propaganda. He proposed automatic parole after 40% of a sentence rather than 50%, which buys you 18 months breathing space, by his calculations. Sunak refused to agree, precisely because the honesty would be likely to lose him votes rather than win them - party first, country later, at some point. He also said it costs £600,000 capital investment per cell if you build a new prison. Sounds a lot (£600 million for a 1,000 prisoner capacity prison? or £3Bn if the capacity is 5,000?) but let's be transparent about the decisions that need to be taken. Let's also ask the question about who we should be locking up and who not. A difficult question, sure, but one we do need to address and openly. Chalk does accept that things have got this bad under the Tories, albeit with excuses, of course.

@nickchivers9029

25 күн бұрын

600k investment for a single cell? Are they building each criminal a 3 bedroom detached with conservatory and a garage? By the way, Scotland are currently building 2 prisons for about 500 million, one in Balfour and one in Glasgow.

The state of our leading politicians reflects the current state of our nation. These politicians are not motivated to resolve problems for the long term and are only interested in the short term whilst they reign over us. We must start thinking long term, training our medical staff, investing in education to train skilled workers of the future and start building new homes, as well as investing in infrastructure etc. etc…otherwise we’ll be losing our substantial tax revenue as well as staff due to our current skilled workers moving abroad for a higher standard of living??? Skilled workers are leaving the uk due to stress, pressure at work, low pay, high taxation, high cost of living for a higher standard of living…

No it’s just the Tory’s wasn’t telling us the full facts .

@lizdocherty3067

26 күн бұрын

Why would they, not many people broadcast their failures. And let's face it if one of them grew a conscience and told the real truth about the state of the country the whole party would have been arrested on multiple charges.

Why are we allowing this ridiculous right of every outgoing PM to put his mates in the House of Lords. BAN THIS PRIVILEGE.

Failing Grayling

This on the back of Hampshire Police keeping a young mum in a cell for 20 hours on suspicion on harming her baby, where the baby had a birthmark that was recorded at birth. We need funding and a review of the whole system

Maybe we could start with not putting peaceful climate protesters in prison?

@michaelenglish2066

26 күн бұрын

or a guy who sold stickers with fact on them ...not braking any laws but got 2 years in prison ..free Samuel Melia

@michaelenglish2066

26 күн бұрын

when fact become illegal you no we have no freedom of speech

@djstuc

26 күн бұрын

@@michaelenglish2066you need locking up for your abuse of our language.

@chrispalmer7893

26 күн бұрын

@@michaelenglish2066 They weren't facts and he did break the law. There are plenty of people in our prisons who shouldn't be there, but Samuel Melia is not among them.

@calumhenderson9404

26 күн бұрын

@@michaelenglish2066 he's not one of the ones being let out either.

nobody gets any sentences for anything nowadays. they need extensive sentences. but not in prison. most non violent offenders (more than half of them) need an ankle tag and an extensive community service order. steal from a shop and spend every saturday and sunday 9-5 for the next 8 months cleaning toilets in public buildings. that'll fix literally every problem. capacity, putting others off crime, putting them off, punishing them, reforming them, saving money from a prison place. spare staff could become probation officers or fill in staff shortages in other prisons. anyone who turns up too late or doesnt turn up spends 1 month in prison then continues their sentences outside. simple

I mean, easiest way to do it is decriminalise cannabis and rescind any sentences of prisoners on first time offences due to dealing or owning specifically and only cannabis, theres abit of A start without actually causing major problems, if you import and tax the seeds people can buy, at specific government owned and operated dispensaries or websites, A lot of revenue would be generated there also

@mowse73

26 күн бұрын

I'm not sure that would make much of a dent. In 2019 out of 15000 possesion charges, 270 went to prison.

@nickchivers9029

25 күн бұрын

​@@mowse73 270 out 15000 is that just possession or possession with intent?

@mowse73

25 күн бұрын

​@@nickchivers9029 The maximum sentence for possession of cannabis, a class B drug, is five years in prison. Just 270 of the 15,270 people prosecuted for the offence were jailed in 2019

Chris Grayling, who said ' so what prisoner's shared a one cell' that is a Lord 😂😂😂😂

I’m loving how Labour is handling each department. The usual Tory playbook is to say, “Look how expensive Labour’s plans are! And look how long it takes to get any results!” NOT this time, Rishi! Each new Cabinet Minister is doing a root and branch review of each department and holding up the RECEIPTS! Labour ministers get to say, “This is the RUIN the Tories made, and THIS is WHY it’s expensive to fix! If you need to, ‘blame,’ someone, blame the Tories!”

i dont think theres one public service that has improved in the last 14 years

@Adamtendo_player_1

25 күн бұрын

Everything is worse than it was 14 years ago under the Tories.

The smart thing to do would be to release inmates who were incarcerated for lessor crimes. Very like they have a lot of people locked up for very silly reasons.

Another example of the rewards for failure culture within the Tories with “Failing Grayling” now being in the House of Lords.

This is insane, lack of prison space does not inspire additional crime. They don't check the news while planning out their crime work hours for the week.

@nickchivers9029

25 күн бұрын

And you've based this on what exactly? Sources please. A perceived lack of enforcement absolutely increases likelihood of offending. People shoplift in major cities with near impunity because the police and the courts are so lenient about it. I'm not talking about some kid stealing sweets I'm talking grown men walking into shops and blatantly stealing expensive stuff to sell, repeatedly, getting away with at best a trespass and a fine. I'm not advocating draconian crackdowns or anything, but to suggest an inability to jail suspected criminals wouldn't lead to an increase in crime is ludicrous.

@JMBJMBJMB

25 күн бұрын

No, but what does happen is that lenient sentences are given time and time again.. People essentially getting away with serious criminality with a slap on the wrist, suspended sentence or the minimum length prison sentence. Slowly over time people begin to realise crime does pay and the risk to reward ratio is in the criminals favour. This also makes the polices job infinitely more difficult, as James said it's incredibly hard to remand someone these days - to give you an example a career burglar arrested with excellent evidence for 3x burglaries, he was arrested and officers rushed through a CPS case file to get him charged and remanded to court in the morning and hopefully sentenced (he also offended while on license because he got released early for his last lot of burglaries). At court at 0930 in the morning, out of court by 11 on court bail, offending again that same day. The officers put in a 16 hour shift to get the case to CPS in time for this to happen, finishing work at 0630hrs that morning. The defendant was out of court and walking about free before the officers even woke up from their sleep after the shift.. What sort of deterrent is that, and how demoralising is that for the police. You can get the evidence, you can get them to court but then the court can't put them in prison. Then you get told "why aren't police doing anything about burglaries".. Well the burglaries that could have been dealt with and defendant put in prison carries on offending - this wouldn't have happened 15 years ago.. He would have been arrested, remanded and stayed in prison for most of his sentence giving a nice reduction in the burglary statistics. So it definitely does affect things, although not in the way your thinking

Has she considered releasing the prisoners then giving them a fast track to becoming doctors. Six months to a year perhaps? They fast tracked the senior police officers and look how well that turned out?😢😢 Who needs crops and grazing land? Let’s add to the flooding by building on more flood plains. John Prescott and his son’s bright idea - they don’t have to live with the appalling decisions they made.

Judging complacency over such a time scale, is a bit like finding a door on Mars.

Sunak has no integrity -- never did -- never will.

I know it’s mad but just popped into my head, could it be that the Conservative reduced the police force so they had less prisoners to deal with?

@-slasht

26 күн бұрын

Not mad at all, makes perfect sense to someone willing to ignore reality and focus on numbers only.

Sounds like we need Hilbert's paradoxical Grand Prison

I was locked up in the local police station decades ago because the prisons were full back then. Society never broke down then.

A few of my friends used to work at a prison, they all left because it was all too much with how much they were being expected to do

The Tories - the law and order party. Tough on crime, tough on the ability to do anything about crime.

It's worrying that the Police believe that we will kick off should there be full prisons, the great majority of the British public will probably stay at home.

James, of course they are not making up the current prisons crisis. Like everyone, we had got so used to tory spin, disingenuosity, exaggeration, manipulation, half truths and untruths that maybe our default is to expect the govt to be less than honest with us. I think Mr Timpson, as someone with a background and experience in this area would not traduce his reputation and integrity by taking the gig to play along with a party playing politics.

If there is a prison crisis do you think it's time to have a conversation about leagalising cannabis? It would free up prison spaces & police time and would also bring in lots of tax money. Seems like a win win to me.

@MsOpportunity68

26 күн бұрын

I need to fix my eyes, I initially read "legalizing cannibals". After all the more people get eaten, the less there are to offend. 🤣

@bigbinji6145

26 күн бұрын

yes , and within 12 months ....we have millions more pathetic drug addicts ( who progressed to heroine etc ) clogging up the NHS with their addiction treatments et al . Use the Gulf State method of creating zero drug users ......deterrence. The strongest of them all ............

@ChartreuseDan

26 күн бұрын

While I'm personally all for it, cannabis legalization won't put much of a dint in the prison population. Even after it got reclassified people are very rarely incarcerated for just cannabis offences in the UK

@nickchivers9029

25 күн бұрын

​@@ChartreuseDan it's about 500-600 people I think, in England and Wales.

Too many people in prison, not enough public services to keep them out. And that begins at the very beginning. Housing, CAMHS, Social Services, Health Services (GP, school nurses etc), looked after children and children's homes etc etc etc. 14 yrs of Tory Government has not helped in any way, shape or form.

Finally, I’ve been in the market for a new lamp…

Now we know why they called an early election😂

A break down in Law and order is inevitable .. what "replaces" it is important ....

I can’t believe Labour have in power a whole week and haven’t sorted this out.

This will have a knock on effect on police as they will be warned to keep arrest numbers low due to the courts having no power to convict the culprit or jail them due to overcrowding

Why did Shabana Mahmood only mention "the gang of guilty men" in the previous govt? At least 2 of the last 5 conservative home secretaries were women. (Suella Braverman and Pritti Patel), and one of the justice secretaries was a woman (Liz Truss).

We need a public enquiry into the last government.

So what will happen when they locate the guy (in Bristol) suspected of disposing of human remains?? Just let him go or fail to locate him??

Learned a few weeks ago that Norfolk (where I am) had 14 cells left available, across the whole frickin county

@Visherex

25 күн бұрын

Citation needed of course

There are a large number of people in prison for petty or victimless crimes. I am sure sensible revision could be done on many of these.

It could be that bleak, yes. Many police stations have closed in the last 14 years too, so many forces have received their total number of cells. Once police custody is full or approaching full, there is literally nowhere for arrested people to be taken.

Any chance President of Rwanda can house some of the one's on 10 plus years sentences

This and the waiting lists going up for second month in a row is why Sunak called the election.

whilst we're at it can we please revisit some of the miscarriages of justice caused by indeterminant sentences

So I live in Seattle, Washington and we already do not have enough jail cells for all the people that deserve to be in them. It's horrendous what it's like honestly. And I'm as progressive as they come but our streets are COVERED with crime and criminals. The retail downtown has utterly collapsed and people actually are routinely assaulted. You call 911 and no police respond because there is no where to put the bad guys. This is real.

The irony of the Conservatives leaving the prisons in a mess as well as the country and having the nerve to have a pop at labour who have to sort out there mess isn't lost on me.

'Senior tory source'... SENIOR ? c'mon, there aren't any left are there ?

James the word is already out. A couple of weeks ago witnessed 10 young men raid my local Tesco. We are advertising the fact there are no prison cell spaces daily do it will result potential/criminals having a field day.

Can you not move on now James. Critique this government?

The prison equivalent of Hilbert's Hotel

I think the more that is uncovered over the next few months we'll see the true cost of the Tories.

Halt work immediately on all freeport projects and hire a bunch of pragmatic architects and project managers to reconfigure the plans into new prisons.

There's no electronics shops on Tottenham Court Road anymore :(

The Netherlands closed prisons or rented them out to other countries. There's options available, one of them is ankle monitors for home confinement for low risk prisoners.

Have a friend who was a guard 10 years ago. She quit because of dangerous understaffing, she was often left on her own overseeing the male wings (plural) of the violent crimes prisons. Things which are outright illegal by our laws, but was completely overlooked by an unconcerned David Cameron and his ilk. That was 10 years ago, and I can only assume it is worse now.

At the present James we are a failed state!! The Tories have broken everything!!

You can guarantee that there must be planning nightmares with building new prisons, the amount of councils in the country that would probably push back just because they won’t want prisons built in their neck of the woods.

Jails and hospitals run into the ground. The system was being run by the chuckle bros.

Bobby Fingers will be the name of my next Rogue character in Dungeons and Dragons.

But, but, but… central strategic planning is an affront to the altar of the Free Market Fairy.