Great video, I'll share a tip back : when in fitting, on the right side "defense" tab, you can select your tanking to get the real values. There you have 7HP/s because you selected "passive shield" (probably default), if you select active shield then you'll see what your shield booster + sba will yield.

@captainbenzie

Жыл бұрын

Awesome, thank you!!

I started a Minmater character just to play their cruisers eventually. Their cruiser designs are really cool. I'm still not a fan of the frigate designs but eh, maybe they'll grow on me. As an example, I HATED the Gallente Catalist, but I love that ship now.

@captainbenzie

Жыл бұрын

Rifter, Slasher, Firetail and Probe/Cheetah. I love those designs 🚀

Just started flying a loki yesterday. Also have a tengu. Using both for mission running, so far I feel more comfortable running the tengu in the missions where there is kinetic damage being flung at you and have been going to the loki with em heavy missions.

@captainbenzie

10 ай бұрын

Nice 👍 for J-Space, neither of those are considerations, fortunately, so both do really well! I love both ships ❤️🚀

Loki is my personal favourite out of all T3 cruisers. For my ratting/DED running Loki, I use the augmented nuclear reactor instead of the immobility drivers that you show on your fit. That allows me to fit a damage control plus an additional ballistic control system. I also use heavy missiles instead of hams but those can be swapped easily according to playstyle. Ship is cap stable (1 large cap battery and 1 medium tech II cap rig) and dps is insane even with heavies. Basically you can keep a distance of 60km and kill stuff from there. Saves you the time of burning for ham range for each target and you can also keep alignment while shooting, in case you're worried something might show up. In my personal experience, the immobility drivers provide much more value when it comes to pvp as you can kite stuff at 30km and shoot them with rapid lights, heavies or even rage hams with the addition of a missile guidance computer with a range script.

@captainbenzie

Жыл бұрын

The Augmented Reactor just looks so horrid 😅 otherwise, interesting fit! Thank you!

@Marcheva91

Жыл бұрын

Mind posting fit?

@kaspariatros9005

Жыл бұрын

@@Marcheva91 a good HM For most pve needs: [Loki, Ratter] Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Missile Guidance Enhancer II Damage Control II Pith X-Type Large Shield Booster Multispectrum Shield Hardener II Gistum C-Type 10MN Afterburner Republic Fleet Large Cap Battery Missile Guidance Computer II, Missile Precision Script Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Covert Ops Cloaking Device II Sisters Expanded Probe Launcher [Empty High slot] Medium Bay Loading Accelerator I Medium Warhead Flare Catalyst II Medium Warhead Flare Catalyst II Loki Core - Augmented Nuclear Reactor Loki Defensive - Covert Reconfiguration Loki Offensive - Launcher Efficiency Configuration Loki Propulsion - Wake Limiter Hobgoblin II x5 Hornet EC-300 x3 Mid-grade Crystal Alpha Mid-grade Crystal Beta Mid-grade Crystal Gamma Mid-grade Crystal Delta Mid-grade Crystal Epsilon Mid-grade Crystal Omega Zainou 'Snapshot' Heavy Assault Missiles AM-703 Inherent Implants 'Squire' Capacitor Management EM-803 Zainou 'Deadeye' Target Navigation Prediction TN-903 Zainou 'Deadeye' Rapid Launch RL-1003 Synth Blue Pill Booster Synth Crash Booster Agency 'Pyrolancea' DB5 Dose II Mjolnir Fury Heavy Missile x10000 Mjolnir Precision Heavy Missile x4000 Nanite Repair Paste x100 Agency 'Hardshell' TB5 Dose II x1 Synth Blue Pill Booster x1

There is normally a repair system on some stations in most systems. Anyway thanks, I took a lot from this upload and if it wasn't for uploads like this I wouldn't know half of what I am learning, many thanx.

@captainbenzie

Жыл бұрын

Glad it helped! As for repairs, yep, but if you're wormholing, you may be several systems down chain of any station you'd dock at.

@Doogie53

Жыл бұрын

@@captainbenzie Understood.

I just recently came back to eve and was really wanting to do some wormhole content. I ended up deciding on a loki, and this is almost exactly the fit I came up with lol. I'm using a semiconductor memory cell II instead of the bay accelerator though, and using a second multispectrum hardener instead of a cap recharger... You don't lose too much dps since you're already stacking BCSs, and you are much more cap stable with a beefier tank. I saved a little bit on the afterburner and just got a republic fleet one, then traded up to a domination LSB + dread guristas amplifier. I've just been playing solo and hunting down quiet c3's to run, but I'm making like 250m in a couple hours including scanning things down/setup before I dip and call it a day... My character was created in 2006 and I was active for a couple years, and back then even deep 0.0 ratting in alliance territory I didn't make anywhere near this money.

@captainbenzie

7 ай бұрын

Nice! I'm really glad you're enjoying it! I have changed the fit a little since this (though I mainly use Autos now) and your suggestions sound great!

Still adding that drone dps to the total dps in your head I see ;) Great video otherwise! Looking forward to the overall ranking!

@petermascon9075

Жыл бұрын

Yes. I wish he would be better with the fitting window. Learn how it presents DPS and the option to change and show the different tanking options. It will show you what your shield rep repairs per second. I like the guy. If you want to take on the role as a teacher, give correct info. Trying to be nice and not a bitter vet.

@captainbenzie

Жыл бұрын

Yeah this was pointed out to me after the Proteus video. Every video between now and basically the end of May has already been recorded and uploaded.

@havocnchoas

Жыл бұрын

@Captain Benzie OK, cool. I thought that might be the case. I knew you said somewhere you were busy this month. Just wanted to be sure you understood my concern 😁

Been looking for a different c3 fit for me loki. And one with a cloak awesome no more need for a depo more cargo for missiles

@captainbenzie

Жыл бұрын

Enjoy!!

What about something like this? EHP rep should be about the same, EHP buffer is bigger, Rigor II rig gives better application in both explo velocity and sig radius (see Eve University's missile mechanics entry). Slightly cheaper price tag, and another cap battery gives you more neut resist. I went for a Cap recharge rig I & II in this one since you seem to like cap stability, but I personally would go double Rigor II. [Loki, **C3 HAM Benzie Double CapBatt] Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Pith C-Type Large Shield Booster Multispectrum Shield Hardener II Multispectrum Shield Hardener II Caldari Navy Stasis Webifier Medium Cap Battery II Thukker Large Cap Battery 10MN Y-S8 Compact Afterburner Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II [Empty High slot] Covert Ops Cloaking Device II Sisters Expanded Probe Launcher Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst II Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II Medium Ancillary Current Router I Loki Core - Immobility Drivers Loki Defensive - Covert Reconfiguration Loki Offensive - Launcher Efficiency Configuration Loki Propulsion - Wake Limiter Hobgoblin II x8 Nova Rage Heavy Assault Missile x6029 Nova Javelin Heavy Assault Missile x4680 Sisters Core Scanner Probe x16 Sisters Combat Scanner Probe x16 Mobile Tractor Unit x1

@captainbenzie

Жыл бұрын

Could work but I worry about the lower resists. I'll give it a try, thank you!

@Kriby88

Жыл бұрын

@@captainbenzie Absolutely, but I think that's really just a sacrifice in the name of your love for the ewar. The "mainstream" fit I think is the augmented nuclear reactor with built in energy warfare resist and better cap stability. That makes double Rigor II an easy choice + lets you fit more BCS and a DCII for the undiminished extra shield resist (I'm oldschool, okay). Two extra BCS instead of one is obviously possible and not entirely pointless. [Loki, **C3 HAM Benzie Double CapBatt NoWeb :(] Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Damage Control II Pith C-Type Large Shield Booster Multispectrum Shield Hardener II Multispectrum Shield Hardener II 10MN Y-S8 Compact Afterburner Thukker Large Cap Battery Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II [Empty High slot] Covert Ops Cloaking Device II Sisters Expanded Probe Launcher Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst II Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst II Medium Ancillary Current Router I Loki Core - Augmented Nuclear Reactor Loki Defensive - Covert Reconfiguration Loki Offensive - Launcher Efficiency Configuration Loki Propulsion - Wake Limiter Hobgoblin II x8 Nova Rage Heavy Assault Missile x5699 Nova Javelin Heavy Assault Missile x4680 Sisters Core Scanner Probe x16 Sisters Combat Scanner Probe x16 Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile x330 Mobile Tractor Unit x1

Any T3 cruiser is good, Loki is allrounder, Tengu has highest dps but is kinetic damage locked and has EM hole in shields. Proeteus is buffed Ishtar in some ways, but worst in other. Legion, well, needs some love. But with good skills in T3 there is no need to skill BC's or BS's, unless you are going for Marauder (and I prefer Vargur). Another good thing about good skills in cruisers you open yourself on using ships like HAC (I love Vagabond and Ishtar). I am using Vaga for Besieged Lab sites in FW atm. And cruisers are still cheap and good option for PVP if you like to try it. Basically I use cruisers for Belt ratting, DED sites and anomalies, some lvl 4 missions (other option is Marauder), scanning, T3 WH and so on.

@captainbenzie

Жыл бұрын

Basically the same set up as me! In my first T3C video (Why You Should Fly One) I say exactly that, they provide an excellent basis for pretty much every other cruiser. Glad you're enjoying! I'm training the Golem as we speak on main, and the Vargur on an alt.

Loki and solo Pvp.. ahh the good old days.. miss it.

@captainbenzie

Жыл бұрын

☺️

Is there a video on the ranking yet? Would like to know what the best ship you found is regardless of ship class etc.

@captainbenzie

6 ай бұрын

Not yet! Working on it 😬

put a remote small armor rep to repair the damaged drones on the fly

With that many high slots, and bonuses to webs, do you think it would ever be feasable to put on 2 webs? I never flew T3 stragi cruisers in EO. I mostly stuck to frigates and dessies. But my favourite fit, and the one I had the most success with in pvp, was a dual tank, dual web hookbill. I could scram kite any frigate that tried to brawl me with the dual web and AB on the hookbill. And if it was a kiter, I would load javellins, and I usually had missile range rigs on the hookbill. I'd beaten dozens of slicers that way that thought they could kite me to death.

@captainbenzie

Жыл бұрын

Dual web fits are certainly possible and fairly popular. It's not used here because in PvE the single web is more than sufficient, but for PvP it's a really good fit!

@etogreen

Жыл бұрын

@@captainbenzie Sorry, i meant with that many mid slots, as you'd have plenty of room for 2 webs. Also would you use HAM's in pvp? I wonder if the damage application on the Loki, along with a dual web fit, would make it effective vs smaller ships.

Hey returning player and new to T3s, I can copy your fit in this ship but dont have HAM 5 atm, Im currently using republic fleet HAMs. Is this alright? Im sitting at ~500 dps. (HAM 5 is training as we speak, and mostly got the launchers from FW so not a huge bank bust)

@captainbenzie

5 ай бұрын

It'll work, just slower to kill stuff ☺️

You always say how you try to squeeze every ounce of power grid out. Which modules do you prioritize when doing a fit so you can swap other modules for power grid efficiency ones

@captainbenzie

Жыл бұрын

Great question and depends on the situation. I tend to Stimulate the fit, reach the minimum benchmarks, and then look at where it can best be improved. If the tank is borderline, push that up. If, like with the Proteus, the cap is a little low, that's where is push so I can handle more Neuts. If one web is fine but two is an issue, buff the prop. Otherwise, DPS.

Have you tested this in DED sites? Really a pity the power grid is so tight, would be amazing if blinged.

I have not watched video yet, but I can already say that for L4 missions ham loki is often better than tengu :) small drones + application bonus means that you can actually those pesky frigates.

@darkestkhan

9 ай бұрын

And now I have to check rigs, but I get 30km range on rages with my fit... and more dps than you. I just don't apply as well.

@darkestkhan

9 ай бұрын

2 hydraulic bay thrusters.

@darkestkhan

9 ай бұрын

and I am slower by 5m/s... I use the other prop subsystem xD There is one big downside to my fit though: expensive cap battery (storyline, I'm looking for some way to change it to faction as I don't like using cap battery that costs 300M isk)

@captainbenzie

9 ай бұрын

Controversial, I prefer Auto Loki best of all 😂

I love ham

@captainbenzie

Жыл бұрын

Lmao me too

@ChongPangBoom

9 ай бұрын

HAML MAO :)@@captainbenzie

why do you need the web? and 10s Align. Isn't that a big no no for solo WH? Just curious...

@captainbenzie

6 ай бұрын

With judicious D-Scan, 10s align is fine (especially since you're manually piloting anyways and can be aimed close to something and moving at speed anyways. 10s is only from a full stop.

@floyd1411

6 ай бұрын

@@captainbenzie Ok just for kicks, so let's see a practical example, you are happy chipping away at the rat manually piolioting and maintaing transversal, You just killed the last rat and are appraoching your MTU to scoop. Suddenly, a wild hungry Hostile Loki Dcloaks - the problem here, you are likely not aligned to anything, and most likely going to warp to a safe, it will take approx 10s to do that and by then yr already locked. Do you see this happening differently? How would you escape? Ps. Any chance you could do more T3 fits. They are definately the best ships :)

@captainbenzie

6 ай бұрын

@@floyd1411 that Loki will have been on D-Scan at some point. If I missed it, that's on me. Equally, I'm in a wormhole corp so I have friends in system with me.

@captainbenzie

6 ай бұрын

@@floyd1411 that Loki will have been on D-Scan at some point. If I missed it, that's on me. Equally, I'm in a wormhole corp so I have friends in system with me.

@floyd1411

6 ай бұрын

@@captainbenzie Yup yup.. I hear you.. If i am going to resub, i am definately joining your corp :)

Is this the standard skin? i just 3d printed this and need to paint it haha

@captainbenzie

6 ай бұрын

Oh nice!! Send pictures when done! No, this is the Hazard Control skin.

@japreet_kah

6 ай бұрын

I will, but can i ask, why when i search the loki ingame the ship i am seeing looks like a diffrent ship?@@captainbenzie

@captainbenzie

6 ай бұрын

@@japreet_kah when you search in-game you see the default ship with the base four Subsystems. In the viewing window you can change the Subsystems to the one in the fit and it'll visually match 😊

Loki is really good for ratting, I think it also requires a little less isk investment versus something like the Legion but it's good. However, I think having the capacitor core and the Adaptive Defense node defense is a bit better. It will make things a lot more AFK in terms of damage since you get an extra 2.5% rep power power level of Minmatar Defensive Subsystems. Having the extra cap resistance is also good against sleepers. The webs are a good idea for application but since the lower class WH sites are so easy that I think the extra time is fine to take. Preferably it'd be smart to take a mobile depot and then change out your covert ops cloak rig for the travel to the site and then swapping it out for Adaptive Defense Node when you have reached the system you are doing sites in the WH you want. I still think T3Cs are too much isk for the risk they pose unless you have alts sitting on entrance holes/good tank that can survive until you get a backup fleet, but they do work. I'd recommend looking into a C3 ratting Cerberus as an interesting video. It requires pretty high fitting skills, and can only safely run FFS unless you have some bling both in your pod and on the ship, but it applies like crazy and can run these really fast. If you get lucky and get a system with a bunch of FFS sites it's great isk with pretty low investment.

@captainbenzie

Жыл бұрын

I'm looking at both the Sacrilege and Cerberus currently. Ultimately, you are right that the Adaptive Defense Node is better during the site for AFK, but that now also means you're carrying a Mobile Depot and extra fittings. More cost when destroyed. As such, I tend to stick to one for, run what I can with that, then done. You can make it "more afk" but I don't think that's a good thing in J-Space 😉 Tengu seems cheapest, with Loki second, Proteus close behind, and Legion way higher for sure. Praxis is a good option for C3s, as is a Gila.

That's a pretty low EHP though. My Tengu sitting at 40k EHP

@captainbenzie

Жыл бұрын

Loki is smaller and faster so takes less damage though. They each have their unique attributes. I love my Tengu too though!

Is the legion any good

@captainbenzie

Жыл бұрын

I did a video on the HAM Legion here: kzread.info/dash/bejne/o56XkqpmlZu0prw.html I've yet to properly test it with Energy Turrets but I don't see why it wouldn't be as good!

@havocnchoas

Жыл бұрын

Very good, imo 😉

Wait.. A shield tank that can use drones?? Am I seeing that right benzie??

@captainbenzie

Жыл бұрын

Yup

I've been running a Proteus in the Guri Murikan siites and while it is more fun, due to it requiring more play (Tengu is nothing but pop in, target and push F1.), any Tengu or Loki can steal the boss whenever they want. I have to get close to it before I apply damage. The Tengu hits at full damage at 21km, where the Proteus can only do decent damage at about 5K.. I get about 11K damage by overheating my Tengu missiles, and about 900 by overheating the Proteus. I could do better with a lot less tank, but the tank effectiveness is about the same between the two. It is more fun to fly, but I'm losing bosses because of its limitations. The Proteus needs an extra lower slot. I didn't even think about using one, but I saw one warp in, and leave the site as soon as he could clear the small stuff, so I wanted to see if it would work.

@captainbenzie

Жыл бұрын

I've done a video on the Proteus recently where I had good application out to over 60km. I really don't like Blasters for PvE as it's so hard to keep ranges and results in so much slowboating.

@TheDroneAngle

Жыл бұрын

@@captainbenzie Much more fun than sitting in one spot and spamming F1 though...lol. i have application to 12K, though reduced, but still one-shotting most frigates at 10K. The missile boats like to sit at 15 K though and I have to go get them...that and the invaders when I knock out the first two waves....

670 Mil? That price has got to be wrong, or have the prices fallen a lot?

@captainbenzie

Жыл бұрын

Nope, that's correct!

@floyd1411

Жыл бұрын

@@captainbenzie amm any chance you could post something about loki pvp for hunting ratters?

Loki is completely flexible. Tengu is limited to kinetic and HAM. It does nothing else useful. Loki is just better in every way. They may as well delete Tengu. The hate is real on the dev board. Did you see the drone cap[ability on TENGU? It's on a t1 level. Lmfao.

@captainbenzie

Жыл бұрын

Tengu has bigger shields, longer range built in, and overall higher damage, just locked. I love my Loki to bits, but it doesn't replace the Tengu. They're just different ships

@relaxationparadise7645

Жыл бұрын

@@captainbenzie Nah I play enough to know the HATE on Tengu is real. Shields are bigger? Not by much. Devs basically made sure LOKI was the new META and insured that TENGU would phase out. Look at the features on Loki vs Tengu, it's embarrassing. Loki does replace Tengu my friend. Why do you think everyone is switching over? Me and all my friends too.

@bandy2327

Жыл бұрын

@@relaxationparadise7645 then if you shoot the outpost with loki in under 10 minutes then I will switch from tengu

@patrickprice3125

Ай бұрын

@@relaxationparadise7645I know this is a year later but clarification is needed. Tengu is kin locked but jspace rats have Omni resists so damage selection doesn’t matter.