Stellantis raised MSRPs 50% from 2018-2023 without increasing the quality or value. They can fall on their own sword.

@frederickmoller

4 күн бұрын

Totally AGREE!

@sacramentofoodforest

3 күн бұрын

Facts

@omardevonlittle3817

3 күн бұрын

theyre not falling anywhere... do the math. raise the price 40% sell 25% less.... 100k units at lets say 50k a piece = 500M if you sell 25% less... now youve made 375M at the OLD price but if you raise the msrp 40%... and are producing less thus paying less ppl to make fewer trucks... you actually come out WAY ahead. the suits are laughing collecting 20M dollar bonuses.

@KevinSmith-qi5yn

3 күн бұрын

They significantly increased quality for their core products. The Jeep Grand Cherokee and Ram 1500. The time that the 3.6L and 5.7L have been in the product portfolio has increased their reliability metrics. I can instantly tell the difference in quality between the 2018 and 2023 models.

@kevencouch3291

2 күн бұрын

All manufacturers did the same! Toyota trucks pricing went through the roof.

Let us not forget the CEO making gobs of money for doing absolutely shit

@sprague49

4 күн бұрын

Perhaps when Carlos Tavares interviewed with the Stellantis board he told them, "This is my MSRP but I have a long list of add-on's that you must pay me for as well or I won't take the job."

@sgtshultz13

4 күн бұрын

He did something. He ruined Jeep and Ram.

@sacramentofoodforest

4 күн бұрын

@@sprague49😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

@atg1338

2 күн бұрын

You are pathetic! Calling out a guy you don't know and you have absolutely no clue what he does.... get a life

@Jeez001

2 күн бұрын

All executives in Netherlands got huge bonuses while he wants to layoff American employees so he further beef up those juicy bonuses

What Chrysler/Dodge/Jeep/Ram really need is a new owner.

@KristoferOlsson

4 күн бұрын

They have tried every owner there are out there. (That are willing to touch the company) Mercedes, Fiat, Peugeot. Only thing left is sell it to the chineese. (for the last 30 years it has been clear that no American owner wants to go all in) The problems goes deeper then the owners. Chrysler and dodge maybe should not exist any longer as car brands. Then focus on Jeep and Ram that have a global market.

@traction4able

4 күн бұрын

Com'on Elon!!!!

@traction4able

4 күн бұрын

Elon owns Tesla and could pay the carbon credits to himself.

@wt9653

4 күн бұрын

Who wants to buy Chrysler 😂 Americans don't support them enough to be successful. Let them die.

@atmartens

4 күн бұрын

@@KristoferOlssonYeah, I’m not sure how Chrysler can continue. The brand is one model, and it’s a freakin minivan.

People don’t want Wranglers to look any different, just keep prices down

Corporate greed. In 2023, Carlos Tavares, the CEO of Stellantis, received a total compensation package of $39.5 million, which was a 56% increase from 2022.

@revgordon91

4 күн бұрын

YEEEEESSSS!!! I 100% AGREE!!! I've been saying this for YEARS!!! All of these executives are making TOO MUCH money!!! Sorry... I'm really passionate about this.

@ericarntson2035

3 күн бұрын

This story has repeated itself way too many times now. Some incompetent bozo of a CEO drives a company nearly into the ground, then runs away with millions of dollars as normal folks lose their jobs and go on unemployment. Something has to give.

@flashnmb1

2 күн бұрын

Tavares pay is well deserved; raping CDJR customers for record profits, soon moving manufacturing labor cost overseas. UAW now holds a contract that is worthless; way to go Motor Trend’s man of the year. Koolaid greed for the here and now, no one looking for basic long term solutions. RIP CDJR!

@donkedic1

Күн бұрын

@@ericarntson2035must be a ‘Carlos Syndrome’ since Carlos Ghosn was the other one who did that to Nissan. Japan still trying to prosecute him. Won’t be long before America tries to prosecute the Stellantis Carlos.

Ram and Jeep don’t need redesign they need to fix pricing

@joshsteward1488

4 күн бұрын

But all manufactors are roughly the same price and I'll will pay more for a ram than a chevy or ford

@adamdawson464

3 күн бұрын

It's those failing electric cars and the big union raises they receive they expect us to pay for it all

@terrencejones9817

Күн бұрын

​@joshsteward1488 the problem with your line of thinking is that very few people consider RAM a quality product. It's always been the discount product. RAM has done this throughout it's history, they are always last to innovate, when they finally do, they have a surge in sales for a few years, then the public remembers, RAMs are terrible products, you only buy one if you can't afford a better truck. Add the ridiculous price RAM wants, and the majority are going to GM and Ford.

@coreysmith2774

Күн бұрын

​@terrencejones9817 I switched to Ram in 2005 after having issues with GM. I'm on my 4th truck. The previous three I put right at 200k on each truck with no issues. They have all been super dependable and solid.

@terrencejones9817

23 сағат бұрын

@coreysmith2774 That's great. Unfortunately That's no the experience with the vast majority of customers. Myself ,being a 25-year automotive industry professional, my opinion is that they are sub-par products. It shows in other areas, the resale sucks, they always have the highest discount, the largest number of recalls too. Chrysler and it's parent companies have gone bankrupt 3 times now. They do not build good products.

50% price increase despite inflation being at around 22% since the pandemic is inexcusable for Stellantis.

@FencerFixerRepairLLCKansasCity

4 күн бұрын

Yep you're correct and a handful of other brands have some similar price increases.

@Rottingboards

4 күн бұрын

You are right but inflation isn't that high. 3.4%. But companies CEOs are price gouging everyone and calling it inflation.

@lx5xk

4 күн бұрын

Quite a brain trust here

@Rottingboards

4 күн бұрын

@@lx5xk Please, give us your opinion.

@lx5xk

4 күн бұрын

@@Rottingboards inflation over the past 4/5 years has NEVER BEEN WORSE in our country. For you to make that statement is ignorant

They’ve been in trouble for years. Insolvency is looking realistic

@omardevonlittle3817

3 күн бұрын

🤣🤣🤣 clueless

@justinbourgeois4685

Күн бұрын

Very clueless lol. Stellantis has one of the best P/E ratios and tons of extra cash on hand.

I think it's pricing, my local Ford dealership has been ordering a lot single cab 5.0 f150 XL trim level selling them at $38k and they can't keep them in stock, maybe it's just in my area but the $70 plus trim level trucks are just sitting on the lot now.

You cannot change the Wrangler. Just ask Porsche what happened to their sales when they changed the way the 911 looked. Their sales plummeted. Also, Mercedes knows this as well with their G wagon. It has to stay the same. It is an iconic look.

If anyone thinks it’s because of those “darn UAW workers”. Just remember, GM Mexico(makes the majority of the 1500 trucks) pays their workers $9-$33 per DAY. Their prices aren’t much better, and have still gone up way beyond “inflation”.

@davidporter7051

4 күн бұрын

no the prices haven't outpaced inflation. Google is easy to use

@Whatisthis195

4 күн бұрын

@@davidporter7051 the price increases on the bronco raptor, ram TRX, and ram limited, have gone up 20k each since 21/22. In that same time inflation has gone up 15.9% and 7.3% respectively. Those increases are each above 20%. In 21 I bought an f150 xlt sport new, sticker was $53k. I went and looked at an identical 24 model, $66k. No discounts applied to either in these figures. Again, a 20% increase. Yes, google is easy to use.

@JDMSwervo2001

4 күн бұрын

That’s a lot in Mexico tho

@henrynlouisville1

4 күн бұрын

Nope. The Saltillo plant only makes all the Heavy Duty trucks. To my knowledge, ALL Ram 1500s come out of Sterling Heights MI

@Whatisthis195

4 күн бұрын

@@henrynlouisville1 im not sure what ram produces down there, I know GM does a ton though.

The European executives at Stellantis are completely out of touch with traditional Mopar buyers. Seriously, selling fewer than 2,000 Dodge Hornets per month will not offset the loss of Charger and Challenger sales. By the way, the Dodge Hornet is built in the Southern Italian city of Naples.

@KristoferOlsson

4 күн бұрын

Problem is Dodge and Chrysler do not sell outside north america. They need to change that or the brands will die. Like many other brands.

@fahdabdulaziz5067

4 күн бұрын

Yep this is the downfall of stellantis, Having European leadership. They need to have someone from within the US to run it.

@KristoferOlsson

3 күн бұрын

@@fahdabdulaziz5067 That will not happen when Europeans controll the shares of the company.

In 10 minutes I’m driving my 22 Grand Cherokee bought new. It has 22k miles. At 8k new engine mounts, trans mounts, door panels, rear gate panel. GPS glitches. Today goes for oil and tire rotation plus check on why front speakers aren’t working!! To JEEP, normal.

@tommy516

4 күн бұрын

Sounds like you have bad luck.

@grahamstefaan

4 күн бұрын

​@tommy516 no. Normal FCA reliability. I owned a ram and it had a transmission, constant headlights going out, door locks, weeped coolant, and so much squeeking trim.

@tommy516

4 күн бұрын

@@grahamstefaan I have a 22 Gladiator Mojave, with about 18k miles on it. Drive it mostly shorter distances but have done a couple road trips, have had absolutely ZERO issues and it gets remote started and ran for sometime excessive periods of time. Are you saying I’m the lucky one?

@DurangoRTGuy2019

4 күн бұрын

I’ve got a 2019 Cherokee 3.2 and a 2019 Durango 5.7 in my household. Cherokee has 45K trouble free miles and the Durango just had its first repair at 67K miles and it was the ac condenser. And I just changed the rear brakes, front is original and I’m not easy on them. I don’t think they’re all bad

@xanitrucker9946

4 күн бұрын

You definitely got unlucky with your purchase. I own a 22 GW and I have put around 65k on it now, flawless.

Good riddance. Jeep raised there prices so much

@kaseyc5078

4 күн бұрын

How will they pay the UAW wages which have increased so much?

@derrickschultz6871

4 күн бұрын

Lol...their no good.

@tommy516

4 күн бұрын

@@derrickschultz6871you obviously don’t own one

@triplez6691

4 күн бұрын

Every thing and everywhere, race prizes because of inflation.

@thehumungus1985

4 күн бұрын

Yeah they kinda dug their grave on this one, and it saddens me cause I love me a good challenger, charger etc.

They lost their ways. I graduated from college in the 80's. Chrysler was the brand that an entry buyer could afford and they catered to this crowd and they were able to offer good cheap products. Now they sre insane. I am heading into retirement and looking for a new vehicle and i cannot afford anything they have to offer.

I feel like Jeep, Ram, Dodge is trying too hard to be a luxury brands and forgetting where they started and who their core customers are. Yeah they should have some fancy trims available but need to get back to what made them great before.

In March of 2019 I purchased a Ram 1500 etorque V6 with several options. The truck was built in Sterling Heights, Michigan in November 2018. I received almost $13K in incentives. The OTD price with tax, title, license etc. was $41K even. It has been trouble free. I really love the truck. I think any vehicle built before the Covid fiasco was a bargain. I will keep this truck until it dies

@venivediicommented4046

4 күн бұрын

Yeah that's when we were building them top notch 👍👍

@HaroldCombs

4 күн бұрын

Mopar is the story of engines. The Hemi renaissance saved them in the 00s The pentastar saved them in the teens. They need hurricane and electrification in 20s

@evo1video

3 күн бұрын

V6 for 41k in 2019? You over paid. I got my hemi rebel in 19 for 45 otd

@atg1338

2 күн бұрын

Can you get to 70 mph with that weak v6🤔🤣🤣🤣

@justinbourgeois4685

Күн бұрын

The biggest problem for stellantis is that the 2019+ trucks just run so well and last so long I don't need to but a new one anytime soon. my 2019 6.4 has been a dream with 140k on it now

I’m a living example…… tried to replace my 08 Wrangler w/293k miles. Internet spec’d a 24 4dr Wrangler Willys @ MSRP @ about$48k. No dealer would order…. wanted me to take an off the lot….. all $60-65k….. even $5k off not what I was willing to spend. Ordered a 24 Bronco MSRP $49k….. delivered in 10 weeks; paid $47k….. miss my Jeep. But not that much.

Stellantis REALLY needs to start listening to their customers. Keep the v8's in the Charger and Challenger = no. Add a V8 to the Gladiator = no. Bring back the Dakota = No. Offer a trucklet to fight the Maverick = No. $75K+ Bighorns = Yes 🙄

*for their poorly built out of warranty cars, the prices should be a lot cheaper, just remember how fast their cars rust !!!*

@tommy516

4 күн бұрын

Tell us

@xanitrucker9946

4 күн бұрын

I haven't seen any major rust on many (for the time) new FCA vehicles for the past 10 to 12 years.

@tommy516

4 күн бұрын

@@xanitrucker9946 funny thing is, I have little rust spots around the rear badging on my otherwise perfect 19 Toyota Sequoia.

@bk27117

4 күн бұрын

Lololol you fool Toyota rusts the fastest

@Rommer2258

4 күн бұрын

It's not the late 90s and early 00s. The cars are actually pretty good. The issue is that PSA is financing the acquisition of FCA with the North American market. The dramatic price increases happened right after the merger

Their prices just aren't competitive anymore. A base Jeep Grand Cherokee laredo is $65,000 CAD, and a fully loaded Ford Explorer timberline is $54,000 CAD.

I said it a long time ago I work at Jeep call their vehicles are way too expensive they forgot who they building these vehicles for the common work folks we can't afford 70, 80 100,000 vehicles I work for Jeep and I can't even afford a Jeep Wrangler can I build a Jeep Wrangler. These vehicles are way too expensive especially for the poor quality. This is why I recommend people buy Toyota or Honda if you want good quality built vehicles. The problem is not the way we build them is the quality of material in the rush in demand that they don't care about the quality that we put into these vehicles just rush them off the line. I really need to get back to investing in quality vehicles at stellantis can lowering the price of these vehicles so the everyday worker who doesn't make six figures can afford these vehicles

@MrJuly151995

4 күн бұрын

I want a Gladiator, but the purchase price is way too much. Even used ones are 30k plus with 80k+ miles. But vehicles in general are too high. I'm a blue-collar worker with decent wages, but inflation and cost of living make these vehicles unobtainable. What's worse, dealerships want to only give you half the value for your trade in so it's a lose/ lose. I'm not up side down on my vehicles, but don't wish to through money away that I see dealers mark up your trade in. Expecting to make 5k+ on each vehicle they sell. A change needs to happen.

@joshsteward1488

4 күн бұрын

Go buy a plain Jane honda and toyotas that are absolutely hideous, toyatos quality is terrible look it up, these companies have no tech or anything in them, boring to me, and I'll never support foreign vehicles

@John_Redcorn_

4 күн бұрын

Toyota sucks now too. Look at the new tacoma. Its a joke

@nytrovstar

3 күн бұрын

You should learn how to write properly before you post.

@user-eu5wb7bv2f

3 күн бұрын

This is why I recommend Toyota and Honda ..I hope you get permanently laid off.

Wagoneer/GW landing on rental lots is not a positive. Fleets would be a buyer of last resort. They are dumping them.

I've owned a modern Dodge Charger RT. It was a nightmare of electrical issues. I loved how it drove, but after 6 trips to the dealer for failing electrical gremlins, I dumped the damn thing. It's amazing to me that modern car makers cannot figure out reliability. It's ridiculous. And of course, the greedflation on top of the reliability?! Give me a break. I feel bad for the workers, but these types of companies should fail if they can't make reliable, reasonably priced vehicles.

@joshsteward1488

4 күн бұрын

Every manufactor is going to have issues, it's part of mass producing anymore I rather have electrical issues than motors blowing up and trannies going out like Chevy and ford

Whos fault is it? 30K MSRP for a jeep, but dealer add ons raise price to 30K ......now that Jeep costs 60K......... Who decides this? Dealer, manufacturer???

@tommy516

4 күн бұрын

The market. How much is a Miata RF now? FOURTY TWO THOUSAND!!!

@jimjones-pz1tt

4 күн бұрын

Dealers can only sell cars for what people are willing to pay. IT'S THE CONSUMERS' FAULT, JACKASS.

The only thing Ram had going good for them was their V8 power plant.

@jafletcher5105

4 күн бұрын

Add the Cummins diesel inline-6.

@Lq32332

4 күн бұрын

You mean the lifter eating manifold bolt breaking early 2000’s v8? Why would a company keep paying emissions fines (i.e. buy credits from Tesla) for an outdated engine? Btw I daily drive a 1500 with the 5.7 Hemi. If the hurricane is even moderately reliable it would be a step up- all its power and MPG specs already beat the hemi.

@John_Redcorn_

4 күн бұрын

It wasnt that great. The Cummins is there only good selling point (and its not even made by them)

@MattMichigan

4 күн бұрын

​@@Lq32332yes, they should have kept the hemi. It was popular, cheap to manufacture and it was profitable despite having to pay the climate mafia for carbon penalties.

@fl_atv_riders4455

3 күн бұрын

​@Lq32332 multiple people have already proven the hurricane engine gets the same and sometimes worse mpg then the 5.7

This is what happens when you to way to much "targeting" one to three customer groups ... there are only so many $55K to $75K truck customers ... there are only so many public sector customers like law enforcement ... and there are only so many performance car customers out there to sell to. In Mexico they market a dynamite small truck called the 700 in both 2 door an 4 door models ... all reasonably priced. Don't care what business you're in, you have to have cheaper models as well as expensive models to meet demand.

@atg1338

2 күн бұрын

The small are cheap because the don't have to pass crash standards and air bag standards.... duh

No bailouts.

You guys need to look at some local news at Detroit. Stilantis’ CEO just came in and said that they were going cut costs by 30%. And they just took the ram plant in Warren down to one shift

@texandy89

4 күн бұрын

I heard that that's ridiculous. This is what happens when a foreign company buys an American company. They screw the hell out of it.

@09X19

4 күн бұрын

The ram plant is NOT down to one shift. I think you are confusing Warren Truck (Wagoneer & Classic Ram ending in a few months) and Sterling Heights (New Ram). Additionally, a new plant in Mexico will start building Ram 1500's next year...alongside the HD's that have been built there for years.

@Rockcity-ho7lw

4 күн бұрын

WTAP unfortunately is on a 1 shift pattern for the month of July. SHAP is still on a 3 shift pattern. Make no mistake about what’s going on WTAP they need product allocation immediately. The Ram Classic production is officially done in the 3 quarter. Nothing has been announced or allocated to WTAP. It definitely makes sense for WTAP to pickup SHAP overflow or the allocation of New Ram Dakota but we’re dealing with Stellantis here.

I really wanted to get another Wrangler, but after seeing the prices compared to what I paid just 10 years ago and the reliability data, I went with the Ford instead.

@ericarntson2035

3 күн бұрын

Aren't the Broncos just as overpriced as the Jeeps? Genuine question, I haven't been keeping up on how much dealers are charging for these things these days.

I’m somewhat surprised the 3.0 Hurricane hasn’t made it to the Wrangler lineup yet. The Jeep branded products started their price increases before the pandemic. At one time we could buy a fully loaded Grand Cherokee for $45k-$55k sticker price. Overnight they became $55k-$65k + for the same vehicles.

@tommy516

4 күн бұрын

Supposedly in 25 on the gladiator

@jafletcher5105

4 күн бұрын

It won't happen because the inline-6 is too long to fit the frame. It would take an all new frame and longer body.

@Kahless00

4 күн бұрын

You think that straight 6 will fit under the hood? If it was a v6 I think it would be in the Wrangler already but that's a long engine.

@tommy516

4 күн бұрын

@@Kahless00 there are about fifty YT videos claiming we are getting three new powertrains for 25 on the gladiator. The hurricane TT, a new single turbo and the 4XE. Who knows, guess we’ll find out in September

@tommy516

4 күн бұрын

@@jafletcher5105 if the Gladiator is selling so poorly, I see a lot of them to be honest; why not make it more competitive with all the other small trucks out there?

They also need to work on their quality and reliability

All good points, but you hit the nail on the head... For the masses to move, the needle pricing has to come down to 2019 pricing and give the option of less tech less safety tech... America is tapped out and needs cool styling in the $40,000 price range... If they don't make these changes quickly, China will make them for them....

My 1990 yj keeps on running 👍

You guys didn't mention the most important part of this equation which is how much net profit is Stellantis making? I remember during Covid Calos Tavares (and other CEOs) were loving the low inventory and high price sales and he said they would never go back to high inventory and low margins, maybe this is all part of their plan?

@reserva120

4 күн бұрын

Spot on

@jimjones-pz1tt

4 күн бұрын

Manufacturers still count vehicles as sold when they are bought buy dealers, not customers.

Their vehicle engines are leaking and shutting down or blowing up and you are absolutely correct about the vehicles being to expensive. The upside for the American buyers is that our government representatives do not nor should help to bail Stellantis out especially since has proudly stated that CDJR is no longer an American company and every company that has been sold to a business outside of the USA has been either been destroyed or product and services has diminished greatly. As long as planned obsolescence is the mentality for auto manufacturers, it is going to get worse for them all. The downside to this is the lost of American jobs again and the possibly the end of one or more iconic American made vehicles unless something changes drastically.

@texandy89

4 күн бұрын

I've always said when a foreign person buys an American company he or she screwed the hell out of the company. Since the person is pushing foreign things into the American company. I've always said that foreign people do not know what Americans like instead they build things what the foreign person likes and sells it in America. At some point I hope nobody bails Stellantis out if they go under because they do not deserve to be bailed out the head guy is screwing what Chrysler Jeep Dodge Ram are.

@Michael-1337

4 күн бұрын

The universal "the engines are bad" complaint in every car video lol. Chrysler engines are just fine. I would say it's the one area where they actually excel still compared to the other manufacturers.

@user-eu5wb7bv2f

3 күн бұрын

You must drive the new Toyota trucks.

Maybe they can start offering serious loyalty incentives for brand owners along with those discounts. Honestly I don't know how else they can save this company. I don't see other brand owners jumping into Stelantis products.

Had 4 mopars in my time. 1994 jeep grand Cherokee V8, 1997 dodge ram 1500 5.9, 2006 dodge night runner w/ hemi, and 2010 challenger R/T. I actually really liked all of them, even though they weren’t perfect. What keeps me from buying any more mopar products isn’t their quality, it’s their dealerships. Obviously their prices are extremely high right now and totally nonsense, they need to come down quite a bit. Even then, though, I don’t think I could foresee myself buying another dodge/chrysler/jeep even though I really, really enjoyed their vehicles, simply because I have never(no matter what state I was living in at the time) been able to get their dealerships to fix any issues correctly the first time I brought any of my vehicles in. Remember folks, driving the car off the lot and loving it is only part of ownership. If the company won’t ever service or repair your car under warranty, the warranty is meaningless.

8,000,000 millionaires are the target of car companies. I'm not one of those 8M ppl. It's financial destruction for me to even buy a new Colorado let alone an off road Sierra. $700/month for 72 months isn't happening.

I have a 2016 Jeep Wrangler JK 2-door. My transmission is starting to go, I'll be paying to get that fixed as opposed to getting rid of it and buying a new one. The prices are just ridiculous for new jeeps

@thetrollwhoknows9928

3 күн бұрын

Your should consider a Tacoma or frontier. I got a pro4x solid excellent little truck.

@Wezi427

3 күн бұрын

@@thetrollwhoknows9928 when I absolutely have to get rid of it, I'll probably get a 4Runner or a Tacoma.

@Wezi427

3 күн бұрын

​@@thetrollwhoknows9928 to be honest, I overlooked it. I had 2 Xterra's and both were trouble free. That's a very good suggestion

That Viper must have been a showroom floor queen that they finally decided to clear out. I wonder what the selling price was.

@goufr3540

4 күн бұрын

I just noticed that to and very likely was. Not sure if it was a classic 1st gen, some SRT-10 or any remaining end production models. Either way, it likely was a showroom queen with likely the owner as its driver time to time.

@JohnnyLightningV10

4 күн бұрын

They stop making it because it didn't meet new safety measures and the costs to engineer a new platform was to costly at the time. They actually sold all Vipers making a profit especially the 1 offs ACRs. It's was built for status quo and still the fastest 6 speed manual around the track.

@GetOffMyyLawn

4 күн бұрын

@@JohnnyLightningV10 Yes, we all understand that... we are wondering why a car last built in 2017 was on the new car sales numbers.

@ericarntson2035

3 күн бұрын

@@GetOffMyyLawn I think you probably have the right of it. Some collector finally made an offer the dealer couldn't refuse and they let go of it for some absurd price I'd wager.

The issue with the Grand Cherokee from what I'm reading on one of the Facebook groups is that it is having a lot of electrical issues. That and the look of the WL platform is polarizing for some people who preferred the older WK2. For the record, I have a 2015 GC Summit. They are supposedly refreshing the Grand Cherokee for 2025 but also putting in a new turbocharged four cylinder and this is apparently pissing people off also.

Dealership near me has had like 8+ challengers on the lot for at least the last 8 months, all $50k+ and most being the boring V8. They also have to have about 20+ jeeps that have been sitting for 5+ months

jeep better "get their ducks in a row" and not just on the dash boards

@floridaman7

2 күн бұрын

😂

Of course, all comments are cathartic since few of them get read, so itis an exercise in futility. However my 2013 Wrangler is getting tired after 200K miles and I was looking into replacing it with another Wrangler but the prices are completely out of sight. I have a sport 2 door with basically only an automatic and air , no fancy anything, basic. No electronic door locks, nothing, basic. That's all I want. New Wranglers on the lot are always 15K more than I want to spend, it makes Subaru and Bronco Sport, or the Maverick all look good by comparison. Sure, they are not a Wrangler, but let's face it, 99% of stuff is on regular roads or mild truck roads or "trails" at least for most people. MY driving includes forest roads, often poorly maintained, and seasonal roads, also poorly maintained. I have stock everything and the jeep never let me down. Even when a sidewall got cut and blew a tire in a rocky uphill wet rood, it jsut kept going until the top where I put the spare on. Also people, grease the spare lug nuts, the shitty tire holder did not hold the stud and ripped out with the lug nut attaches AND you could NOT separate the lug nut from the stud on the spare, it had a washer on the other side if the spare that could not be removed and the lug nut was stuck. Fortunately for me a a guy living in the middle of nowhere was right there living secluded and he had tools for the issue. That jeep was not stopped even with only 3 wheels going up a slippery wet hill. BUT they are too expensive now. Way too much. We are talking about a basic, simple, harsh-riding Wrangler, no frills. Should be available on the lots and if they were, they would sell for sure. Who wants luxury in the woods with branches and rocks bouncing off the vehicle? It IS GOING TO GET damaged, and that's the point, it SHOULD get bangs and scratches and you should not really care about that. That is called character, not a scratch, not a dent, character.

Stalantis is going to end up a much smaller company. They want to sell at ultra luxury car prices then they'll produce ultra luxury car volume. Good luck to all those in the Stellantis assembly lines. They're going to need it

@KristoferOlsson

4 күн бұрын

This is only true for the US market. Stellantis has lots of cheep affordable cars sold in rest of the world.

I don't know to many people who can afford the grand wagoneer when they start at $100,000...

Off topic but I’m watching gun smoke 💨 with my dad and there is a character in this episode that looks exactly like Tommy.

RAM and Jeep are trying to get rid of the regular cab 2 door models. This is another reason why sales are down.

Jeep 4xE at $70k and then after the electricity runs out, you get the same mileage as a normal Wrangler... If I she'll out more money up front, I need real gas savings.

I bought a 2023 Challenger last month because of the $10k discount on them. The dealerships are getting rid of their 2023's, so the beginning of June and July between Stillantis and the local dealerships, 10k off was a pretty good deal.

119% wagoneer sales increase but the number of units is small. All Ram and Jeep pricimg is out of control. Ram used to cost less than the other truck brands.

One of the biggest reasons for Charger and Challenger sales improvement is the "Horsepower locator" BS they did for the 23 model years. I was very tempted to get a 23 Hellcat Charger to replace my 21 Widebody Scat Pack. However, I couldn't get an allocation at the dealership And wanted. FCA limited to the dealerships they chose, instead. So if I wanted one, I would have had to pay markup (of a highly inflated sticker compared to 21 - they raised prices over $10k!!!) instead of invoice at my preferred dealership. Now, what happened was all of these dealerships didn't get customer orders, they ordered what they wanted to build, and asked for ridiculous markups. So the cars sat on lots. Now, after being on the lots for months or more, the dealerships are FINALLY offering better prices, including discounts. They're still equipped like monkeys ordered them, but they're available and the prices are ok for cars with options people don't care for and no options people want. (There are no Sinamon Stick hellcats anywhere new, but you can find plenty of black or white ones!)

Looking forward to TFL testing the Ramcharger! But, it's so far out there still.... I can't be the only one waiting to see. Add to that the 'don't buy in the first year' mantra, especially with something all new like that (and the all electric), and now your sales uptick is way out in 27/28?

I was a Ram & Jeep guy for years. My 2004 JGC Limited was $38,000 fully loaded. Now that same truck same equipment is $68,000!!!

@Lq32332

4 күн бұрын

$38,000 in 2004 dollars is $64,000 in 2024 dollars. So really they barely raised the price at all and you just don’t understand inflation? 😂

@joshsteward1488

4 күн бұрын

Chevy and ford's are the same way

I own a 21’ Wrangler 392 & a 23’ 300 C also w/ the 392. I love that engine and everything that jeep has stood for. However, you can def see and feel a disconnect between management and the product. There just isn’t any love in the vehicles. No attention to detail, just churning them out. Sad that an American Iconic company’s heritage is being plundered for $. I won’t buy any more Stelantis products.

Dodge has major issues. The only reason why they are selling the 2500 fleets are bc they are giving a bunch of rebates

If all their vehicles are made as poorly as Jeeps....then it's no big loss.

Thanks guys

@TFLnow

4 күн бұрын

Our pleasure!

Andre, I know yall have to be nice to the manufacturers...but we don't. The Hemi V-8 wasn't "kinda core" to customers, it was a big f***** deal. I was in high school when the third gen Hemi Rams really took off. You effectively didn't even have a Ram at the time unless it was a Hemi or Cummins. Stellantis deciding to kill the Hemi and replace it with that already problematic I-6 didn't help them at all, and probably moved folks to Ford or Chevy which still offer V-8 options.

FCA is in its current predicament because of the late Sergio Marchionne. He gutted Dodge by making Ram amd moving the commercial vehicles over, killed the Journey instead of redesigning it, moved the minivan over to what is supposed to be the luxury brand (my guess to make room for Alfa Romeo), and then left Chrysler with nothing but a minivan left. Long story short, he made a complete mess out of the three Auburn Hills brand and now Stellantis is left with four brands with no identity anymore (maybe except Jeep). Marchionne didn't know what the hell he was doing here.

1 viper sold this year!???

Looked into a ram, 57k MSRP, dealer marked it down to 43k. I called for a quote, back up to 51k. Asked if they would take 40k out the door and they said no. MSRP is currently back up to 57k 😂 clown world

Tommy, as someone who’s you age, drives a wrangler and is also a big Jeep guy, please keep speaking up!!! Jeep being owned by a European company will continue to be its biggest downfall. The brand (as well as dodge and ram) have lost touch completely, as you mentioned with the V8 charger/challengers. I fear that they’re trying to make it a luxury soccer mom brand, instead of keeping true to its roots which is a literal military vehicle. As you always say, it needs to be cheaper, more in touch with American values, and more fun. Theres nothing fun about the new Grand Cherokee. It can’t off-road like the last generation, and there will never be another Trackhawk. Please keep speaking up Tommy🫡

Prices! When dealers were adding " Market ADJUSTMENTS," you chased most of your base away! Throw In ridiculous finance rates, and you killed your customers!

What do overall sales across all brands look like?

I love Stallantis. Bought a Rubicon eco-diesel gladiator for 20,000 below msrp end of last year. $74,000 truck for $54,000 dream comes true worth every penny great deal and beyond words can compare in amazing truck

Don’t know what they were thinking with the cost of living increasing, people can’t afford the new vehicle prices.

My uncles 2005 TJ Wrangler is still running to this day :)

All the classic Dodge Chrysler Jeep brands are trying too hard to become luxury brands. they’re going to have to start discounting vehicles $15,000 or more to make sales by the end of the year

TFL, I commute 86 miles 6 days a week here in Socal and I rarely see the two Wagoneer.

FCA/Stellantis have been using the old tactic of padding their sales figures by selling cars to their detailers and or forcing them with incentives to take them off their hands. Go over the days on lot and supply. Not only do they charge too much, but other than their initial quality they've always had huge issues and also a horrible dealer experience.

I tried buying a second Jeep wrangler JLUR to replace by JKUR but the price to feature/amenities was a big miss. Their pricing model was ridiculous for what you get. I moved to a different manufacturer and to a truck.

Charger and Challenger were not selling well. They had upwards of $12k in rebates on R/T to move them. They essentially forced dealers to put them into loaner fleets to collect an additional $3-4500 a piece. Another thing is many dealers likely reported them sold to…themselves to sell as used cars. They stripped away a lot of incentive support.

I'm a ford truck man, but I have an old jeep tj, and love the looks of the gladiators. Would totally buy one today, or this week. But what they're asking is crazy for what you're getting. Bare bones sport is like 40k after tt&l. And the new hurricane 6, I love me a straight 6, and the looks of the new dodges, but they don't have an oil dipstick.

Wonder if direct to consumer sales would positively impact car companies who make a move to this structure in vehicle sales. This would probably eliminate the "middle man (aka:dealer & salesmen)" who generally hike up prices with sticker mark-ups, sales commissions based on how well you could stick it to the customer, and unnecessary or unrequested add-ons. Ultimately providing cars/trucks for consumers to buy packaged as they like or can afford, while driving up sales for the car companies.

As a former Ram truck owner, i was absolutely disgusted when i tried to purchase one in April of this year. Now the Hemi trucks are gone, and they just gave the big middle finger to most of the die hard Ram owners.

Just my opinion, but as a 2018 GC owner, the GC sales may be down partially because the refresh is rather ugly. I am looking forward to the Ramcharger.

Stellantis does well in Southeast Asia. I wonder why? 🤔

@KristoferOlsson

4 күн бұрын

but not in China or India sales down 28% Also sells well in Europe and sales are up 4.5% I think Germany was up 22% last year.

As stated there needs to be a price correction. They are charging bmw-Mercedes pricing while having high interest rates. At these prices people will hold vehicles longer and they will lose repeat business. As for dodge and ram people want the proven v8 especially as they are having issues with the new v6. They should at least offer both engines until the v6 is proven. People buy ram and dodge for the hemi

Spot on!

FCA LLC is a company owned by stellantis. In Italy for example we have FCA group s.p.a.

I feel for the workers, but company is killing itself!!

What? The $100,000 tungsten edition didn't save them?

I nearly got a Wrangler 4xe. I rent them constantly for work. I don't think they're great vehicles, but I think they're technically cool and I enjoy them. The PHEV software in the Hornet and Wrangler is almost identical, I like that they're doing standardization in places where it makes sense.

@joshsteward1488

4 күн бұрын

I think they are absolutely awesome ans great, attention to detail in them is fantastic, we have one now and I will.never buy anything else

The electric charger is going to suck. Fiat quality with an ALL electric car. What could go wrong?

Tried to buy a gladiator Willy yesterday and the lowest they would go was $48k. Crazy.

I would say visual changes at the current prices would help but I think the value American vehicles used to bring to Americans is harder to find.

Another huge mistake that they made is not bringing the ram rampage to North America. Like the The compact pickup truck market is still huge.

Jeeps are great vehicles that have some amazing features that you won’t find on any other manufacturer’s vehicles. The simplest? The next and last/volume buttons on the back of the steering wheel. Way more useful than paddle shifters on a car with a CVT..Toyota and Subaru.

7 ProMaster City have been sold this year 😮 I suppose they were discontinued as the Vauxhall Combo/ Fiat version are now Citroen Berlingo vans. I wonder if FCA will bring the Citroen Berlingo stateside.

Good. Price cuts needed.

The numbers here look better than the KZreadrs showing 2022, 2023, 2024 New trucks available. Up to 2 years worth of trucks in inventory. So, it looks like FCA is just supplementing to commercial sales to get rid of them? IDK. I am a Mopar guy since day one, but, I am very concerned there will be a FCA when I need another one.

Every vehicle I've owned has been a Dodge or Chrysler. All minivans except my very first car, a used 1987 Dodge Lancer. The number one reason I stuck with them is price. If you buy any Chrysler brand vehicle, you know there is going to be more maintenance needed than most other brands. Now Stellantis is trying to charge luxury brand prices for mediocre vehicles. That is their number one problem.

I guess I must be an anomaly. I don't care as much about the outside as I do about functionality, especially when it comes to HD trucks. Been doing the online build for GM, Ford, & Ram 1-ton, 4x4, reg cab, big gas V8 (easier cold start) - aka plow truck. (I'd love diesel but just can't justify.) It's interesting (read highly suspect, as in organized price fixing) that they are all within $1k-$2k around $56k. Yet when looking at dealer inventory, every truck in stock is overloaded with every option you could imagine including the computer-controlled, electronic toothbrush charger. Stuff I don't want or need that (1) reduces cargo & towing capacities, (2) adds complexity & (3) drives pricing well north of $70k for gas & $90k for dsl. No thank you.

Stellantis made a $20bn profit last year globally while selling a little over 6 million cars, meaning each one made them a solid 3k on average. They would've made a lot more money had they not been developing niche products no one wants and they haven't even launched yet (Wagoneer S? EV Charger? Ramcharger Sounds cool, like all EVs - wont sell, and thats assuming they get them on the market which they announced them all awhile ago and we're still waiting)

Ever since Daimler bought Chrysler quality has dropped with each succesional change of ownership coinciding with grossly increasing purchase prices and repair costs.

Thank the UAW for your layoff on your way out the door!

They increased quality but didn’t get increased sales. Hence the price jump. That said my ram is amazing. I would not hesitate to buy again… if it weren’t for the new prices.

The more Jeep / Dodge are "improved" the lower sales go. Tommy, we want those dinosaurs at reasonable prices. Sales need to come to a standstill to emphasize there is no desire for Fiat 500s and Alfa Romeos in the U.S.