big shoutout to phroxzon and hearing his insight

Always interesting to hear an in depth discussion with a Riot member instead of the usual tweet or dev post we get. Glad it's with the BBC!

@jeremyturner6815

Жыл бұрын

BBC treats Riot right

Solving a core weakness of a kit through one item is a good way of looking at it. Gale and other dash items were quite toxic for the same reason, and this ultimately boils down to a problem with league design in general. This is standard practice in dota for example, some characters have mechanical solutions to their kit available entirely through items and it works because the game is designed around it. If you need mobility you can buy it, you can buy hard CC, you can buy waveclear, and because these kit solutions are so common it doesn’t make any character a problem when their kit is solved. In league you almost always build around your kit’s strength rather than build to solve a weakness, so when a weakness can be solved completely with one item it usually breaks the game because it’s so far from the ordinary.

@HamsterPants522

Жыл бұрын

Bingo.

@Freakattaker

Жыл бұрын

Spot on. It's why stuff like Blink Dagger and BKB aren't problematic; they're just accepted as necessary for certain characters to function at certain stages of the game.

Insane episode honestly. Just the idea of talking to Rioters and also giving them a space to speak to the community is massive. Imagine bringing people from game design, skin team, lore team, champion design, and so on...how much stuff that the community points the finger at, that we could be able to uncover.

@GrandLufaine

Жыл бұрын

Really wish Riot would lead the way in opening the door to this kind of community interactivity. Feels really forbidden and/or like a cursed dream, from the players’ side of things.

@redridingcape

Жыл бұрын

@@GrandLufaine Riot is one of the best gaming companies for this sort of thing to be honest.

Yoooooo I love this community!!!! You two changed my entire perspective on LIFE and the game!!!! Can’t wait to hear you guys every week. Woo!!!!

Hi i just wanted to let u guys know how much this channel means to me, i climbed from p4 to diamond in 3 games after watching u for 2 minutes !

this is crazy I used to religiously watch phroxzon when I first started league of legends this is like my favorite two cartoons have a crossover episode

Me and my friend were talking the other day and i thought to myself that one of the reasons ppl dont use horizon focus is bc there is no visual feedback if you the champion youve hit can tske bonus damage. Personally part of the fun in leauge is seeing the effects from the items such as rylais, liadries, ludens etc.. Horizon focus just needs some sort of animations to fire up those neurons for more ppl to buy it

Yeay! 2 hour episode with a guest? I am hyped 🎉 Thank you two for your insights to your mindset, it helped me climb through my plateau point of 2 years 😊

I enjoyed especially the hypothetical talk at emerald tier discussion. Great episode.

Great episode. Thanks for all of your hard work BBC team and Phroxzon!

Finally! Wow I think this was posted like 2 am in Australia you're working pretty hard my friends, keep up with this awesome content!

By his logic, yummi should not be available in ranked beyond gold elo or competitive pro play. End of story.

I dunno if a Rioter will ever read this comment but I just wanted to come back here and give my suggestion for the whole Mythic item concept: I think everyone has items in the game that are their favorite items, but sometimes those items are not mythic items. I think that the best way to execute the mythic system is to make it so that every legendary item has a mythic version which can be upgraded into. That way there can be a much better selection of mythic items to suit each champion and each situation. It would also make the game a lot more interesting.

@i8u2manytimes

Жыл бұрын

Not trying to be rude or anything but this seems a bit too complex for beginners and way too hard to balance. Putting too many things in all at once is how you make it impossible to test, tweak and balance. Don't worry I was thinking of that idea beforehand though

@HamsterPants522

Жыл бұрын

@@i8u2manytimes But the game already had comparable levels of build complexity and flexibility in the past. I just want to return to that because the runes reforged patch and the mythic item system have made the entire game more boring for me because the choices to experiment with are far more restricted. I'm thinking about what's fun for me. As a new player, I got into LoL because of the idea of trying out creative builds. You can talk about how that makes it less accessible or whatever, but I never would have played LoL to begin with if it didn't have a sea of complexity to dive into.

@HamsterPants522

Жыл бұрын

@@i8u2manytimes also, I don't think it's impossible to balance. Riot eventually stabilizes the balance of this game for the most part no matter what is added.

Had never touched a PC game until my 23rd birthday and have essentially ONLY been playing league since then. 2 years in and I still feel like a mechanical liability all the time. People are really good at video games, it’s scary.

The thing about "fun" champs and items that are overtuned and broken is that the ratio of "fun" is always going to be 1 to 5 . For every single person that enjoyed static LeBlanc for example , there were 5 people that hated playing against it . And that goes for a lot of champs and items So its never worth to work like that in a game . Your first priority should be to make it the least frustrating to play against and the make it fun .

Why did you move away from the Zeri question… I would’ve really loved to know what riot currently thinks of her. 😢

At 34:00 I know Phroxzon mentioned he was inspired by wow/diablo and the language he used was how getting an item changes the way u play the champion, and a bit previously saying things along the lines of creating a mythic for rumble, since rocketbelt is usually built by assassins...I can't help but wonder where he actually gets his inspiration from? I honestly believe he wanted to copy aghanim scepter/shard items system from Dota which rework/buff how abilities work in the middle of the match...Just food for thought

I just want to say thanks to Phroxzon as well! You guys do such a great job with balance and keeping the game competitively integrous. People complain so much about Riot but guys there's 175 champs or something and the fact that it is as clean and balanced as it is represents so much hard work and passion from the team, so good job on that!!

@666Kaca

Жыл бұрын

They removed smurf queue for no reason and are putting iron players with 30% winrate in high silver games/bronze players with 35% winrate in high gold games randomly, i wouldnt call that competitive integrity.

@wnsjimbo2863

Жыл бұрын

@@666Kaca you are piss elo for sure , they removed smurf q because tiers does not matter anymore , they linked match making 100% to mmr and not 50% like before if you get irons with 30% in your "high silver games" ( high silver , HAHAHAHAH ) your mmr is pathetic and its your problem

@TheShanador

Жыл бұрын

There's a lot to (rightfully) complain about. For example I remember Phreaks explanation of the Rek'sai buff after Prowlers nerf where they wanted to wait for data - got the data and then aimed for a 2% winrate buff. Just that this 2% wr buff turned into a 6-7% winrate buff and Rek'sai is still sitting at 53%+ wr after the most recent nerf. Meanwhile last patch they buffed shyv, shyv still hasn't crossed the 50% wr mark and guess what? Next patch she'll get nerfed again. She's neither picked, nor banned nor does she have a high wr yet she gets nerfed. And as usual there will be no explanation as tho why. Meanwhile Rek'sai and Kindred are not on the nerf list again and will continue to sit on their 52%/53%+ wr respectively..

Regarding onetricks impacting stats I cant agree with this in any way. There's many many smurfs playing champions on new accounts so thats not how it should be measured. For champions like Qiyana, Irelia, Quinn etc. there's very small amount of people who aren't onetricks playing them. So stats for purely "onetrick" champions aren't a good measure for balancing

@SomniaCE

9 ай бұрын

This is such a "vibes" way of looking at it. Just assuming that there are not just enough smurfs but enough smurf one tricks to tilt the stats that significantly based on nothing but your own assumption is nuts. There's no objective way to get the stats on that sort of thing for a playerbase as large as League's. Obviously judging the balance of any champion based purely on how well one tricks do is foolish, but if a "one trick champ" to have a 50%+ winrate it should raise some flags. Most one trick type champs are the most unique/skill-intensive champs like Riven, Azir or old Asol. If these champs hit a 50%+ solo queue winrate at all ELOs it probably means they are overtuned enough that even casual players can see success. I one trick Zeri and I absolutely think that if she has a 50%+ winrate in low ELO she is broken.

“No one gives a shit about Rek’Sai” Rek’Sai this patch: **6.8% pick rate and 28.9% ban rate in plat +**

@parasails4770

Жыл бұрын

only because she's super broken though, they're not playing her for her fun and engaging gameplay

@sddnapkin1316

Жыл бұрын

@@parasails4770 fair enough. As a Rek’Sai main die hard I just felt like from my perspective it wasn’t all that accurate, but yes I forget people are just abusing broken champs.

Great vid and interview ! Do you guys notice that the snowballing is more common this season. It seems like in my games lately my whole team gets insane snowball and we win early , having very few full games compared to previous seasons ?

The statements on Yuumi are sad. How is nerfing her skills is "counterplay" when she still can't be killed? And she can't be killed because "new players would die". Like wtf. You don't want to sacrifice newbies that way, but you are sacrificing pro play

@HamsterPants522

Жыл бұрын

It's also just a ridiculous bandaid solution. All that effort they put into creating Yuumi as a champion they could have instead put into making actual good tutorials for this game so that new players can learn how to play instead of being given training wheels.

such great insight! thanks

What if they made yummi's w depletes mana overtime?

Please consider looking at kindred subreddit and reading my view on Kindred, a hard OTP who wants Kindred correctly nerfed.

A friend didn't get me into league. Been trying to learn all this solo.

I wasn’t playing during this point would of loved to of played ap ezreal with this bring it back 😢

Great ep

yuumi cannot be balanced she turns any very fed person into a 2v8 machine

a valuable insight into riot

Good stuff

how about you can choose one of your items to be your mythic and it gives extra stats.

One thing I've noticed from Phroxzon's takes is that the dev team doesn't have limits around what is strong or weak. They actually just don't know and have no way of knowing besides winrates/playrates. This issue is exacerbated by the fact that part of the dev team's job is creating and killing metas so the problem keeps changing. In fighting games you can read patchnotes and tell exactly how much stronger your character is and whether that level of strength is acceptable in accordance with the game's limits.

@Yee-Haw_Bird

8 ай бұрын

Also way more individual levers to work with compared to a moba since you can nerf one move on one character and that will utterly kill them compared to say nerfing the ad ratio on a character only to buff an item they use cause the item is bad overall and the just nerfed character is suddenly even more broken.

The fact that we had a fantastic 2 hour discussion with a Riot Dev and the only discussion about top lane we had was a 5min discussion about a summoner spell that is also used in mid lane, tells you everything you need to know about how much Riot cares about top lane XD. I am happy I switched to adc.

there's also champs like kayle that feel like they're forced to go a single mythic (riftmaker) which has felt rly bad to go since mythics were introduced

@shiro5157

Жыл бұрын

(bring back gunblade plz)

@shiro5157

Жыл бұрын

also, i really don't think items being niche is a bad thing at all. really don't understand the sentiment of removing any item that only a few champs love

nice one

Phroxzon's stats about mains and him saying many people are playing ranked on 0-15 games seems to ignore the amount of alt/smurf accounts that there are. For instance I play Rengar on my main but I play him on my alt account every now and again that would skew the results. I see so many alt/smurf account with the name like "ayanisial" and a default portrait that I think this has to be taken into account.

@1xgt

Жыл бұрын

It eventually evens out tho, since there’s no more influence on Matchmaking from Visual Rank and it’s mostly MMR based once the account plateaus in a specific rank then it just evens out. Unless you’re specifically playing duo abusing till masters and abusing the rank system with dodges, winrate scouting and lobby scouting, etc. (it’s still possible even though names dont show on lobby) but its rare tbh that anyone is doing all of that. only people going for rank 1 usually do that

1:34:58 Coach do you mean Ignite is really good or TP is a must? You said "You have to have a really good reason NOT to take Ignite" but the context after is Teleport is too good to give up and combat spells are not incentivizing you

Love hearing the insight from Phroxzon, thank you for doing this

Why is there no criticism in this video. It’s all just positive feedback to Riot thinking their game is ok. Like letting phroxzon think ksante has a non toxic overloaded kit. Or the neeko blast cone being “interesting and unique” No it’s cancerous. Or the reintroduction of damage back into league. Like why is a cow (tank design) getting even more ap next patch (100% on W and 90% on Q????) there is so many things that I just feel like Riot thinks is ok for the game when I think most of the player base would agree is wrong.

@RA-LT

Жыл бұрын

But we also know where most of the playerbase comes from lol....tbh Curtis and Nathan are worth more than a Million league players

@stevieflyineasy

Жыл бұрын

Unfortunately its not this phroxzon guys fault, yeah I agree these are all shit changes and IMO including shiv, but its the cooperate leadership at tencant telling them to make changes in order to bring people into league......my two cents is like, how about fix the fucking game, its ridden with boosting, cheaters, leavers, smurfs, but yes lets focus on items but fixing that doesnt =$ , its annoying cause i like the game ...w.e/rant

@wnsjimbo2863

Жыл бұрын

@@stevieflyineasy cheaters ? AHAHAHHAHAHA yeah these 5 ppl who script are the problem for sure smurfs ? get good so you dont play vs them boosting ? well you are not high elo so what your problem ? you will never play with boosted mate in your silver games

Once again no Toplane changes in sight :)

Would of been an easy fix for Yuumi if you just caused her to take 50% of all dmg DONE to the champion she is attached too as true damage, and lower her HP pool slightly. That way she cannot INFINITELY sit on one champion that is essentially being cranked up to a 15 on a scale of 10. Sure you could risk it for the biscuit, but your definitly going to be down one in a second.

Yumi: i am the best to teach how to play to new players Garen: am i a joke to you?

I mean, shiv does not give Ap, so you solve wave clear but lose personal damage, it's balance for me

49:00 Ornn?????

They nerfed heal cut last year there lost. I also wish he just said the item rework was a failure snd nerfing heal cut was one of the worst decisions we have ever made.

I don't even play League anymore and could tell Shiv was broken just off the post FWIW People have entirely missed Ahri as a Static Shiv abuser it seems.

@yelsu3358

Жыл бұрын

ahri was never good with shiv, no one missed it, it was experimented with and it sucked.

@fivefourtwo4498

Жыл бұрын

It fulfills no purpose for her

It's so sad that old Aurelion was way more fun, unique, interesting and skill expressive especially when mained but his CGU is praised instead

@certifiedfunnyguy

Жыл бұрын

They should make old asol into his own champion as he was problematic for the game and many people really loved him

1:23:50 ya bois low key telling riot to bring back Twisted treeline, legends!!

so champ mastery's true purpose was to gather data, id assume challenges are doing the same then

surprised nobody asked about lack of diversity with mages now that everything is scaling.

@HamsterPants522

Жыл бұрын

It's kinda like marksmen and tanks. The classes are becoming more homogeneous again.

@k9tirion927

Жыл бұрын

You don't want strong early mages even if they fall off later, we had this with taliyah when she released. Turns out a ranged damage and cc machine with safe waveclear is giga elite skewed and just terrorizes the map worse than any jungler.

14:26 - vel koz

i wonder who is speaking game state on mondays for top lane that acts like top lane state is ok i need to send something to their mailbox ingame of course

Yuumi is unhealthy for the game. The cat highlights a toxic element that is creeping into league. This, “immune to everything” effect we see on items like duskblade is not fun for anyone except person who is immune to everything. Yuumi has the duskblade effect 99% of the game. Her kit cannot be balanced while she breaks core mechanics of the game

@jaywu4804

Жыл бұрын

gwen is immune gwen is immune gwen is immune

@johnysimps1191

Жыл бұрын

Riot has had unbalancable kits before yuumi. The solution is just beat em with macro. If you are at a similar level then you're screwed. The better champ wins. That's just the game

@JavierPwns

7 ай бұрын

Chipi chipi chapa chapa doobi doobi daba daba

@theelectricant98

5 ай бұрын

Yeah it's one of those things where she either has to be tuned to be so bad that it's a 4v5 or is at all decent and just sucks the fun out of potential counterplay

41:40 Phroxzon is working backwards from a bad idea. Removing grievous wounds and nerfing healing wouldn't work because of this hypothetical scenario where people build a shitty team comp that doesn't synergize? Most anti heal items either have inconsistent applications or are terrible items, but healers still don't take over the game because healing is an inherently weak source of power in most scenarios. Aatrox lost 2/3 of his healing in exchange for a little more damage, and he's still fine. Very unserious.

@HamsterPants522

Жыл бұрын

Speaking of shitty team comps that don't synergize, Yuumi attached to a Mordekaiser is the most anti-synergistic thing I've ever seen in this video game, yet Riot will defend Yuumi's existence to the death.

I'm on board with riot or at least take a wait and see approach until they start talking about Yuumi. Ranked does not need training wheels: the character and the solution isnt to make her bad.

Bring back a wave clear item for so ez lol 😭

How can you keep Azir to have “everything “ but ditch Asol completely from the very start. Asol players also love love old Asol because he also has literally everything, engage pick roam scale zone dps… because of market..

Love this content. Hearing Phroxzon not express that untargetability being a problem on Yumi concerns me greatly about the design of league of legends. Having him express that low winrates equates to an acceptable champion is a massive red flag to me. When asked about Yumi perma banning for master and/or pro his response was very unsatisfactory. It blows my mind that they think a permanently untargetable champion is acceptable design in ranked, even at bronze. edit: auto correct

@L9nexah

Жыл бұрын

Tbf he isn't champion designer his job is to balance the game and I agree that the best way to balance that design failure is to make it shit everywhere except for very new players

@HamsterPants522

Жыл бұрын

@@L9nexah I disagree. I think it shouldn't even be a thing that new players are allowed to touch either. The issue with Yuumi is that although she's easy to play, you will not improve at the game by playing her. Every other champion at least follows the rules of the game - they can take damage from enemy abilities, and they have to click in order to walk around. Yuumi doesn't follow these rules, so as a result she is not just a newbie champion, she's a champion which actively sabotages a new player's potential to learn how to play the game at all.

@L9nexah

Жыл бұрын

@@HamsterPants522 I agree the whole concept is a failure but the balance team can neither delete or rework a champion. The best he can do is soft-removing the champion from the game by making it absolute trash. It's not his responsibility to rework the champion and I'm quite sure he wouldn't be against it

@HamsterPants522

Жыл бұрын

@@L9nexah If you say so. I don't really know or care who has a say in those decisions, I just know that listening to this podcast made me feel more pessimistic about the future of this game because I disagree entirely with Riot's design philosophy.

@wnsjimbo2863

Жыл бұрын

no one bans yummi in masters + anymore , i know i play there

Yo fix early surrender and leaverbuster I keep seeing people who throw and never get leaverbuster.

a really dodgeable ult it blows up the whole map without warning, actually ill change my comment i have no idea what he does but he blows up the map here and there and i never hear it with music on ASOL weird

@jaywu4804

Жыл бұрын

the empowered R sends out a big shockwave but the stun area is still very small.

dude is laughing at how bad the balancing is

the game is all about one shotting and u just choose which champion u want to do it with. no more duels/long team fights. its shit

@yelsu3358

Жыл бұрын

all games are going in this direction due to the constantly dwindling attention span of the younger generation. it's sad for those of us that enjoy longer games but they're just appealing to what the playerbase wants

@jaywu4804

Жыл бұрын

the game fluctuates between one shot meta and tank meta every season it is like following a pattern

@Sutobuto

Жыл бұрын

Ok ADC player maybe stop walking into assassin range before crying? No tank is getting one-shot, no bruiser without any resist hp item is getting one-shot, only ADCs are getting one-shot and it's deserved if you stupidly walk up assassin range or none of your idiot teammates try peel or draft peel for you

@yelsu3358

Жыл бұрын

@Sutobuto go rewatch the 2016 worlds finals and tell us we are just crying

@k9tirion927

Жыл бұрын

@@yelsu3358 That might be part of it but I think the bigger factor is overall mobility increase. I'm not here to say "hurr durr everyone has a dash now" when stuff like tristana tryndamere katarina and old akali are god damn ancient, however the way you can utilize mobility, ease of waveclear and cooldown reduction creep has for sure impacted how the map size and getting to safety is working. So yeah in order to not have a snoozefest where someone has to be seriously stunlocked or be afk to get killed they kind of had to increase burst damage and dps in general so the game is more about positioning and map awareness instead of duking it out.

"pro playes seems very bad at counting minions" LOL

The only reason why I don’t play tank is that it’s boring af. There is no skill needed, it often doesn’t feel like I’m carrying the game even if I do, … So I’m really happy they are trying to create some more fun Tanks like ksante

@bigsmoke4592

Жыл бұрын

90%+ of the skill of league isn't mechanically executing the champion but decision making. i'm not saying it's you but people that say that easy to execute champions take no skill are just blind to what is actually going on in a game of league.

@Lionhart1991

Жыл бұрын

Manipolating the wave to get a roam opening to go top to snipe and get a kill on a sion that was (all of this as a velcoz supp) losing and was, (when i got there by the enemy jun that was safe bc i knew that jun was bot) at very low health... how much of this is skill and how much is decision making? The same game i roamed top another time to get a full combo,this time not to kill but to push him out of the lane and make jax freeze on his ass (also, i got tp to do this level of badass shit) All of this to say, don't let down the tank role, there is more that the nude eyes can see

Shieldbow was the only item that could counterplay a fed assassin, removing it feels bullsh*t because hard snowballing for an ADC could be pointless and not rewarded if there is a Rengar with just some farm in the enemy team. That’s why TriForce has best winrate for certain ADCs, because they desperately need the 300hp to survive the no-counterplay burst damage. Burst damage makes you feel frustrated and powerless even if you got fed, so the best way was to improve cooldowns for assassins but not burst, this meta feels TRULY bad for ADCs. If the goal was to make ADCs useless vs a feed assassin, its ok, ill take it. But trust the game feels u cant do anything at certain point, and was FORCED to rush Randuins to survive a Talon perma going on me. And it worked.

@RA-LT

Жыл бұрын

Can we say the same about the assassin adc Kaisa?

@k9tirion927

Жыл бұрын

@@RA-LT If rengar had to hit a skillshot first to gapclose and also position to isolate you or his damage suffers he would actually be a cool and fair champion.

I think yuumi for a new player is so bad. It make them bots cuzz all they do is sit on ur friend. Yuumi should lose her passive attach or make it that she gets chip damage.

is the rioter who investigates on toplane status awake during the "mondey state of the game meetings"?

Teleport needs to be reverted. No unleashed teleport no movement speed.

I've watched enough gameplay to know that Yuumi is harmful to the competitive integrity of this game. So many times I've seen a yuumi main in master-challenger forced to play a different champion and their understanding of movement and positioning is at a bronze level, so they just walk up and feed.

@fivefourtwo4498

Жыл бұрын

Banning Yuumi is one of the best bans in the game if you manage to catch a Yuumi OTP on the other team. They will absolutely run it down.

My big issue is the state of midlane right now. It's so boring nowadays. Pro plays just pick tp every game and never 1v1 kill. U can't roam much now either and make plays. Mid used to be the hardest lane in game because u can influence top and bot. Those time when Mid can shine, it used to be so fun to watch (faker at his prime). Now u just pick scaling champ, sit in lane permanently, don't die, get tp and win. Its so depressing.

@HamsterPants522

Жыл бұрын

Top lane is in the same boat. They've made TP useless for early roams botlane, so top laners are forced to play the lane and try to scale (unless they play Shen).

@Lionhart1991

Жыл бұрын

Support for me is the best class to take every game really in a way that is kinda fresh and new, part of your jon IS to create a roaming timer for yourself to impact the map, this is not true for just pure roaming supps

Yuumi shouldn’t be accepted as a new player champion. She doesn’t teach you any positioning related skills and you can’t smoothly transition to any other champion from playing yuumi because they all require actual positioning to function. Adding an in-depth tutorial like wild rift has and improving bot AI would benefit new players far more

I think there is one thing that is not Balanced. Base Towers gets shredded easily. Waaay too easily. Before, it was reserved only to few champions like Nasus and Yorick. Now any AP champions or an AD assassin can three shot towers. Makes no damn sense for a comeback perspective. I know they want to shorten out games and pubstomps. But damn.

Yuumi must be deleted from the game.

Boys pls abuse yuumi in high elo in inflate her winrate over 50. So her attach can be removed😂

bring back lucian mid uwu game kinda lost all early agressive midlaners. Syndra lucian azir all gone.

I love how even riot forgets ASol is a transcendent god, who hates being called a dragon and makes him into low skilled one just to abuse dragon theme for average player to buy new skins. Beautiful company.

i still hate playing jg. one counter jungle or invade from the enemy and the game is already over. I refuse to play jg and jg mains are insane.

@doffy5394

Жыл бұрын

There are many ways to play around that, just git gud

This guys terrible at explaining the minion change, essentially minions run to your tower faster then slow down once they hit the lane again. This allows you more time if you were to get dove because your wave would be there a lot faster than their second wave.

No. That was easy.

Where y'all talk about how ranged champs can stat check melee champs in melee range?!?!?

@Obzerver

Жыл бұрын

Millio: 560 hp, 26 armor, 30 mr leona: 640 hp, 47 armor, 32 mr Taliyah: 550 hp, 18 armor, 30 mr Yone: 620 hp, 30 armor, 32 mr Teemo: 598 hp, 24 armor, 30 mr Renekton: 660 hp, 35 armor, 32 mr

@Sean-fz8if

Жыл бұрын

What ranged champ are you talking about? The only one I can *maybe* think of is tristana and she’s basically an assassin

@19oz

Жыл бұрын

@@Sean-fz8if i mean i play singed top so my champ loses hard to lots of ranged champs even if they walk into the bush ontop of me and just fight me in the bush, champs like jayce just 1 shot you lvl 1 while the poison does like 15 dps its actually a joke. but singed is just exceptionally bad against ranged champs i understand that because i have no shields dashes or sustain, but champs like varus and neeko and jayce and stuff deal so much dmg so quickly that even if they face check you early game you still just lose until lvl 6.

When we talk about mains most of us mean people who can play the champion at a high level. For example. Nobody considers a 10k yasuo player in silver a true yasuo main. If he had mastered the champion he wouldn't be silver. I can understand the "first time affects the winrate" argument for champions like yasuo and riven. But it is not the same for other community favorites like Shaco. Almost nobody first times this champion the majority of shaco players have been playing the champion for a long time and can get to low plat high diamond range with it easily. The problem is that they are affecting the winrate of the champion and riot thinks its strong when its weak. So they nerf it. Repeat that for many years and you get to the state of shaco today when he is practically a cannon minion that has no agency on the outcome of the game after 20 minutes. Now what happens when a high diamond shaco player gets back to the game after a long time of not playing and realising that the champion that he enjoys playing is the reason he loses. He either swaps into another champion and gets back to diamond as I did and then gets bored of the game again. Or he quits the game again because he has no fun playing it and losing while playing almost perfectly because his champion is dogshit. So yeah. In some champions, otps affect the winrate greatly. If shaco was not played exclusively by plat+ otps his winrate would not be 48%. It would propably be near the 40% range.

@throwaway11111

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I dont understand. The majority of players (around 90%) is bronze to gold, so they make up most of the ranked games played. Checking Shacos winrate in silver on various sites yields me a result of about almost 49%. Not above 50%, sure, but such is the case with many junglers in the same skill bracket. Choice of champion really isnt going to be why someone is "stuck" below master. Weve had extreme cases of low winrates such as Yuumi after her nerfs before the update, but thats really not a common thing.

@Obzerver

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When we talk about mains most of us mean people who can play the champion at a high level. For example. Nobody considers a 10k yasuo player in grandmaster a true yasuo main. If he had mastered the champion he wouldn't be grandmaster.

@yelsu3358

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he literally told you that he looked at the data and Katarina was the only champion whose winrate was meaningfully affected by mastery. You're just saying shit based off of your emotions and assuming it's true. The skill level argument is extremely easy to disprove, just go look at Shacos winrate in plat+ and you can see that he isn't much better. tl;dr you're emotional and you're wrong

@Antixandros

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@@yelsu3358 He said he looked at the data of all champions and found that only katarina's is affected? I thought I heard that he hasn't looked everything up and he is doing this as a side project in his spare time and he has not looked at all champions. He mentioned katarina and yasuo as examples of champions he has looked at. He even said at one point that nobody of their analysts has been involved in anything of the sort.

@Antixandros

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@@yelsu3358 Who first times shaco in ranked? Champion is barely played anymore unless its an otp.

Please ask him about why they keep yasuo in the game when maining that champ prevents players from ever getting coochie, contributing to low birth rates.😊

@fivefourtwo4498

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💀bruh you didn't have to do 'em like that

Just remove mythic system, it added nothing good, just limited people.

yumi nila is not balanced

@tomhislop3955

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Unless your against a really weak early lane e.g Ezreal+Sona, Yuumi is terrible to play with as Nilah

@grantsheep2774

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@@tomhislop3955 no that's exacly the problem u need to shut them down early with like lucian milio or cait morg cuz they will scale way faster than u snowball out of control if left unchecked (not that this is possible to shut down a fed nila)

2 hours of him explaining to me that ksante is meant to be a tank that one shots XD, what a bullshit of an interview

No, its one of the most unbalanced seasons ever. Jungle and mid have way too much impact, tanks are disgusting and adcs are garbage. I play all 4 roles i mentioned, 2 roles per account.

@RA-LT

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Adcs are strong af with the new items wtf u on about??

@666Kaca

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@@RA-LT guess thats why they are nerfing jungle and top next patch LOL. Even phreak said adcs have very low agency in the game this season, guess you have better data than riot

@RA-LT

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@@666Kaca being weak and having low agency aren't synonyms. You're a delusional adc main 😂

I really love the podcast but I really hate your podcast titles. They are more clickbait then everything else. For example today „Is League balanced“ - you and I know that a game should never be balanced.

Point n click CC is not good for the game. It does more collateral damage than good. If you cant hit anyone, just gid gud. Thats it. If champs dash too much, too often then nerf that. Same goes with Yuumi. She is bad design. Period. If you want to have tutorial, have it as separate mode, not a fkin champ butchering the game for others.

@user-du8vj9xb3o

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based delete annie

how does this guy phroxon compares annies point and click stun with syndra stun?!?!? thats the problem with the game and this people work IN riot... (still much better than phreak though)

@MrJoergerbomb

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I think you misheard Lissandra as Syndra

@lascronicasdelpendejo8694

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@@MrJoergerbomb i hope so XD