Certainly a confidence booster to see the evidence. Thanks for being so thorough. The verbal detail makes the point when the rest of us cannot be onsite to see what you do.

Great video. We've been installing yalls kits lately and they are very well designed and I know people feel better having them as well

Very good video. Means a lot that you put your own truck on the line. I sleep better since it was installed on my truck. Thank you.

@SSfueled

2 жыл бұрын

You're welcome!

Been on the fence about ordering this for months now, after seeing this video, I just placed my order. Thanks for the good info!

@SSfueled

Жыл бұрын

Thank you!

Great video, I am sold! Will put one on my ‘18!

Just installed this on a 2017 great product! Everything was plug and play

@SSfueled

4 ай бұрын

Thank you!

Great video. Thanks to @PowerStroke Tech Talk w/ARod for putting me on to this system.

@benniebenson7131

2 жыл бұрын

So if there is a failure an you tell us exactly what needs to be done. An instruction to hand to a service tech could save ALOT of bantering and potentially minimize repair Bill's.

@SSfueled

2 жыл бұрын

@@benniebenson7131 Great idea. We should add that to the tail end of the installation instructions. All of the metal will be restricted to the pump and the return line up to the filter. Since a new filter will be installed, there is no need to replace any lines. Just replace the pump and filter, and the new filter will catch any residual metal left in the return line. It wouldn't hurt to flush the return line so that you're starting fresh.

Glad it worked like you designed!

Nice Work on the field testing! im glad I have a S&S bypass kit !

@SSfueled

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you for your business!

Can’t wait to install mine!

@SSfueled

Жыл бұрын

Thank you! Keep an eye out for an install video that we will be publishing soon.

Already paid PSE to install mine hopfully they arrive at the shop soon so Ill have it installed in the next week or so

Just purchased a stock 2012 F250. This kit and a high idle kit are the first upgrades getting installed

@SSfueled

Жыл бұрын

Thank you!

Spent a few hours and installed mine last week on my 2020!

@SSfueled

Жыл бұрын

Thank you!

Great video and addition to Part 1 of real-world use the DPK solution. Are there any pressure differences with addition of the Gen 2.1 kit on supply or return sides? Would you recommend use of your DPK with other vendor primary/secondary fuel filtration solutions (HSM)? Keep up the great products, this on the list of "To-Do's" for my '17 F350.

@SSfueled

2 жыл бұрын

Without getting too much into the technical weeds, Gen2.1 DPK does not alter flow volume or pressure on the supply side. Return pressure is variable depending on DRV (pressure regulator on the rail) operation, and fuel consumption. The Gen2.1 return filter increases the average by 1-2 psi, but not enough to affect operation whatsoever. Improved filtration on the supply side is never a bad idea, yet we're fairly confident in the stock Motorcraft fuel filters. Coming from an OE fuel system and engine development background, our engineers are aware of extensive resources put into filtration R&D. We're looking forward to earning your business!

Great Video Pt 1 & 2. You've engineered a wonderful system, I'm amazed Ford doesn't implement it on Production. On a real situation with a failed CP4, what is recommended to replace, or even better use your improved DCR Pump. Replace the S&S ByPass Kit (for peace of mind) & Pump... anything else?

@SSfueled

10 ай бұрын

Thank you. If a CP4 failure happens with a Gen2.1 DPK installed, the pump and return filter will need to be replaced. It's a good idea to flush the return line so that you will not get a false reading from the new return filter.

Lov it

I tell customers who buy these trucks used to tow it home and don’t drive it 1 mile until it has a kit of some sort installed to prevent damage to fuel systems from cp4 failure. I don’t know whether this kit is better than the others but we have retrofitted 29 trucks with these. The only problem is that our kits came with the old Racor 23303-2 filters which are impossible to find. Sure wish I didn’t have to buy 29 filter head upgrade kits. Difficult sell to that fleet customer.

@SSfueled

Жыл бұрын

That is wise advice, for sure. Based on the amount of fuel lab and real world testing done, we are confident that our kit prevents fuel system disaster from a CP4 failure. Our opinion may be biased, but we think it's the best kit available and if we felt it was lacking, we would change it. Unfortunately, you are now dealing with fallout of us making changes. We truly thought that the Racor filter with the clear bowl was the best option when designing the Gen2 kit. We purposely selected US-made filters in hopes that supply would not be an issue. That was not the case and we were forced to switch to the Gen2.1 spin-on design. We appreciate you choosing S&S and can also understand your frustration in being forced into an upgrade so soon. This is why we are selling the Gen2.1 Filter Head Upgrade at 1/2 price ($60) for the 2022 calendar year. We agree that a $60 replacement filter is a hard sell when your fleet customer is expecting $30, yet after that initial $60 to upgrade, subsequent filter changes will be $15 give or take. We are taking a loss on half-off filter head upgrades, but we feel it's the best way to ease the transition into the new design.

@mybananasareout

Жыл бұрын

@@SSfueled Look man let me put it to you this way. That customer Paid me almost $40k to add 29 of your kits. The cost of the filters were $25. Now you have retrofitted those kits with a GIANT ALUMINUM HOCKEY PUCK with your logo that the 10, not 2 micron filter screws in to. These aren’t CARB approved. We got by with the old design because smog technicians couldn’t tell it wasn’t stock. Any technician will Identify the new filter head as aftermarket. It will fail the visual. So now we are faced with getting a Smog referee to okay these or ripping all your kits out and replacing them with your competitor’s kit. Best case scenario I spend $1800 on your stupid retrofit kit and pay a tech 15 hours at $45 an hour to install them. Mind you this is after doing the leg work (on your behalf) with CA. The customer wanted bypass kits installed I made the mistake of choosing yours.

I dont own a ford, nor do i know anything about the terms of cp4 and injectors, but i love the science behind it. Its badass. Yes i do run s&s injectors in my duramax and a 12 mil cp3. So i follow along with you guys. So is the pump housing itself rebuildable after the cam is damaged? Obviously the buckets and rollers are trash, but does it leave the housing intact to be reserviced?

@SSfueled

2 жыл бұрын

Technically, the aluminum case could be rebuilt with new heads, but we are not aware of Bosch selling the component parts. A new CP4 is not that expensive and it's best just to replace it. Thank you for your business!

The sad part is that no one knows hardly abt the CP4. Seen CP4 trucks lasting 280-300k on stock stuff. All depends on servicing. I have friends w 6.7s & they have no idea. Fords little 🤑maker.

I'm curious about the micron rating of the return filter. it's my understanding that it's not quite as fine a rating as the original filter on the Gen 2 kit with the clear bowl?? I'm just curious if you have verified on that truck whether anything got past that return filter and into the tank??

@SSfueled

2 жыл бұрын

Great question. The previous Racor filter had a 2 micron rating, but they would not give us the efficiency rating to go along with that. The Donaldson filter rating is 9 micron at 99% efficiency. Before making the change we failed a CP4 on our test bench to collect a debris sample to send to a lab to determine the particle size. The data from our debris sample shows that 10% of the particles are under 4.83 micron, 50% are under 20.3 micron, and 90% are under 80.5 micron. We also sent both filters to an independent lab to get the actual filtration data for the filters. We'll be publishing a full report on our website, but to quickly summarize, the Racor is better in the 4 micron area where there are very few particles, and the Donaldson has a higher efficiency from 7 micron and up, which accounts for 83% of the debris in our sample. That's a very long-winded answer to your first question, mainly to show that we did our homework before making a change. The answer to the second question is easy. We took a sample from the factory fuel filter housing on our test truck and did not see any metal debris. The fuel was amazingly clean for a 6-year-old fuel tank. We'll post a photo on our social media channels. Thank you for asking the questions that matter, and the ones we can answer with confidence.

I know about the cp3 conversion but, I was wondering if there is a "prevention kit" for an lml duramax?

@SSfueled

2 жыл бұрын

Unfortunately, developing a bypass kit for the LML is more of a challenge due to slight differences in the pump. We're not closing the door on it, but it would be much more expensive, and at that point upgrading to a CP3 may justify the extra cost. A CP3 conversion is the ultimate solution that will not let you down. ssdiesel.com/product/lml-cp3-conversions/

Can that filter be added to the SPE DPK? While it has a Screen, the finer stuff is going to be in the OEM filters, and adding your filter will be the icing on the prevention cake. The screen is good for checking, but the filter is better for getting all the junk.

@SSfueled

2 жыл бұрын

We're not sure how the SPE kit intercepts the return line out of the pump. Our Gen2.1 return filter assembly uses the same factory quick connections to splice into the factory return. If those connectors are still intact, then you could install our return filter.

@acdii

2 жыл бұрын

@@SSfueled I looked at the picture of your filter, if the clip on factory end (left hose, inlet side) can be rotated 180* it will work with the SPE outlet.

@shanesmx

Жыл бұрын

Did it work with the spe outlet ?

I would be more comfortable with the 2 micron filter. Is there a downside, or any fuel restriction doing so?

@SSfueled

29 күн бұрын

We recommend using the Donaldson filter that comes with the kit. We have thoroughly tested it in our fuel lab and in real world scenarios. There could be smaller micron options out there that may not restrict the return flow, but we cannot test them all. We chose Donaldson based on an reliable supply chain and great filtration performance. Also keep the efficiency rating of the filter in mind. The 9-micron rating of the Donaldson filter is at 99.5% efficiency. When the micron rating gets smaller, so does the efficiency. The Donaldson filter has a 4-micron rating at 94.7% efficiency. Considering that red blood cells are within the 5-7 micron size range, we have complete confidence in the filter we chose for this kit to capture any harmful debris.

Can you retro fit this kit to fit a duramax. Or what kit would y’all install on a 2015 Chevy duramax ?

@SSfueled

Жыл бұрын

Unfortunately, the LML CP4 is slightly different than the Ford 6.7. The LML has a gear pump on the CP4, which makes it very difficult to reroute the fuel flow. We prefer to focus on the best solution for the LML, which is a CP3 Conversion.

After a pump failure with this kit do you recommend cleaning lines going to the filter?

@SSfueled

2 жыл бұрын

Great question. It is not needed. The new return filter will catch any residual metal. Replace the pump and return filter, and then get back to driving.

@SSfueled Will you be developing similar DPK's for the LML Duramax and the 19-20 6.7 Cummins?

@SSfueled

Жыл бұрын

Due to differences in the LML and Cummins CP4 variants, mainly the gear pump, it would be very challenging to design a DPK that will work with those CP4s. It is possible, but would be much more complicated, and the cost would start to approach that of a CP3 conversion. At that point, most people would choose to pay extra to have a pump that will not fail. The benefit of the DPK is the low cost, but that would not be the case if we designed one for the LML and 19-20 Cummins.

@ldw300

Жыл бұрын

@@SSfueled Ah, I forgot about the gear pump. Thanks for helping me understand!

i love how this system works!! BUT my main question is, if it really does work, do you provide a 100% satisfaction guarantee that this will prevent it or you will pay for the injector that has been damaged is caused by the metal that got passed through your kit? if yes then im down for it.

@SSfueled

Жыл бұрын

We would love to have your business, yet we cannot warranty a fuel system that we did not sell. We know our kit works, we have testimonials that our kit works, and we've proved that our kit works by sacrificing our own truck. When it comes to fuel system failures, we've learned to never say never, but it would require a blip in physics for our kit to not work. In that case, we would refund the cost of the kit. The biggest challenge in offering to replace the entire fuel system (that would have been trashed without our kit installed) is how can we determine when the kit was installed? Not saying that you would do this, but how can we prevent someone from installing our kit as the pump is on it's way out, hoping that it's not too late, or just buying a kit after the failure. We understand your skepticism; we have been hearing reports of Disaster Prevention Kits not working, only to find out it was made by someone else. We are the creators of the THE Disaster Prevention Kit, and many others have since copied us. We can't speak for the copies, but ours works. If it doesn't, we'll give a full refund for the kit.

Wow awesome you have sold me on it , the only question I have is if the cp4 fails with this kit installed all you need is a new cp4 pump?

@SSfueled

2 жыл бұрын

A new CP4 and a new return filter. S&S dealers stock them , and they can be found at most auto parts stores. Donaldson P550943.

@dirtpicasso

2 жыл бұрын

@@SSfueled that's awesome , thank you for the reply and all the hard work figuring it out. You all rock

@handyvan3422

Жыл бұрын

those donaldson filters are on most construction equipment and trucks, they can be found pretty much anywhere lol

I have the first generation DPK and added the clear bowl return kit when it became available. Is the first generation kit going to give me the same protection as this last generation kit with the spin-on filter?

@SSfueled

2 жыл бұрын

The original DPK will give you better protection than not having anything, but it has the potential to allow some metal to pass on to your FCA if the return screen clogs up completely. The split off point is right at the pump and if the the return circuit gets clogged, there will be no flow through the pump, and it's possible for the pumping pulses inside the case to push contaminated fuel back through the split off that is about 1" from the case. We have only seen this a few times out of thousands sold, but it is possible. With that said, the vast majority of metal is directed out of the return. We addressed this in our Gen2 kit by making the split off 25 inches from the pump.

@charlesschultz4420

2 жыл бұрын

@@SSfueled Since I already have the return fuel filter kit added what would I have to change out to go to the newer version kit? I know I had to splice into the fuel line to install the first gen kit so would probably have to go back with a new line but is retrofitting the latest kit possible if I did that?

How often would you recommend to change the filter on this kit.

@SSfueled

2 жыл бұрын

We recommend changing it the same time you change your stock fuel filter, unless you suspect a CP4 failure. Cutting the filter is the best way to determine, but you could also unscrew the filter and look for metal on the ported metal ring that surrounds the threaded portion.

@SS, why is the CP4 timing critical and CP3 not? Does it have to do with two vs three pumping assys?

@SSfueled

2 жыл бұрын

You hit the nail right on the head. An 8-cylinder engine fires an injector 8 times per revolution. A CP4 has 4 pumping pulses per revolution. There is a slight drop in rail pressure every time an injector fires and a slight increase in rail pressure when a plunger pumps. The OEs prefer to time the pumping pulses to offset the injector pulses to have the least effect on rail pressure for improved fuel metering accuracy. A CP3 has 3 pumping pluses per revolution, which cannot be timed with 8 injector pulses per revolution. It's our opinion that CP4 timing is not that critical, other than to hit stringent emissions standards.

@kbdesignz5808

2 жыл бұрын

@@SSfueled awesome, I figured as it wasn't fully divisible. I'll send you guys a follow up email. also I'll be ordering my new filter assy soon, so I have it in stock here.

Other than the filter housing / filter between the Gen 2.1 and Gen 2 is there any difference? Can I upgrade my Gen 2 with just the housing or am I still good to go? TIA!

@SSfueled

Жыл бұрын

The only difference between the Gen2 and Gen2.1 is the filter housing. You are still protected with the Gen2. We offer a Gen2.1 filter head upgrade that is just the billet filter head, quick connects, rubber isolators, and Donaldson filter. It will drop right into your existing kit. We really liked the clear bowl of the Gen2, but supply issues forced us to make a change. The Gen2.1 version uses readily available and less-expensive spin on filters. Thank you for choosing S&S!

@it426

Жыл бұрын

@@SSfueled Perfect! Thank you for the quick reply!

Does the 2022 6.7 ford need a disaster pre kit?

@SSfueled

2 ай бұрын

In our opinion, any Super Duty can use the protection in case of a failure. We've seen failures on the new pumps with pinned buckets/lifters.

How much are the filters?

@SSfueled

Жыл бұрын

Price on the Donaldson P550943 fuel filter varies depending on the seller, but $15-$20 is a good price range. Most S&S dealers stock them, but they are also available at any place that sells Donaldson. We wanted to make sure the Gen2.1 return filters would be easy to get, unlike the Gen2 Racor filters.

Now for science remove the DPK, destroy another CP4 then see how long you can drive 😂

@SSfueled

2 жыл бұрын

Good point! Every experiment needs a control, but that one would hurt.

@handyvan3422

Жыл бұрын

lol we all know how that ends $$$$ $ $...

Will this product void the warranty?

@SSfueled

Жыл бұрын

Great question. We wish we could claim that it will not void the warranty, but that is entirely up to Ford. If anything, Ford should encourage it because it reduces their warranty cost by saving the expensive parts. We've had feedback both ways. Many customers have reported that their warranty was honored.

@markdanford1910

Жыл бұрын

@@SSfueled you would think they would like to see them in use. Saves cost for them.

@jeffreysidden1832

11 ай бұрын

It's My understanding modification like this kit would/should be covered under the Magnuson-Foss Act.

My question is say you’ve got the latest kit, or any really, and your CP4 fails. Aside from the obvious, what’s needed to be replaced? Just the filters and the lines and clean the mounts or would you need an entirely new DPK?? PS I was just told diesel mechanics are seeing fuel system failures WITH the knockoffs of your kits installed. So go with the S&S and not a copy!!

@SSfueled

Жыл бұрын

Great question. You will only need to replace the return filter and the CP4 at minimum. You can flush the DPK lines for good measure, but it's not required. The return filter will catch any debris. Thank you!

@KendrasEdge757

Жыл бұрын

@@SSfueled oh ok nice. Appreciate that. My ford extended warranty just ended on my 2015 F250 so figure I might as well spend $400 to save thousands. You’d think the manufacturers would step up, oh wait who am I kiddin. Thanks for S&S!!

That's so frustrating that y'all are using the Donaldson filters

@SSfueled

Жыл бұрын

We can see how it's frustrating to be forced into a Gen2.1 upgrade when you just need to change your Gen2 return filter. Switching to the spin-on Donaldson filter was a necessary change due to Racor not being able to supply our demand. After months of back-ordered kits all waiting on Racor filters, we were forced to redesign the return filter assembly around a readily-available spin on filter. We chose Donaldson based on good supply and performance. We didn't just take their word for it, we tested the effectiveness on our pump bench before making the change. It's possible to use other spin on filters, but the Donaldson P550943 is what we have validated, and what we recommend. In an effort to ease the frustration of customers having to switch to the Gen2.1 version, we are offering the Gen2.1 Filter Head Upgrade at a 50% discount for the remainder of 2022, which makes it $60. At that price point, we are taking a loss, but we feel it's the right thing to do. We appreciate your business.

@rvadventures

Жыл бұрын

@@SSfueled it's not for that reason, we own a landscape company in Florida and use to buy direct from Donaldson and they refused to refund us on a order they still haven't shipped 1 year ago, so is there another filter other than Donaldson filters? You'll see a bunch of issues with Donaldson

@SSfueled

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the clarification. We sure hope to not have any issues with Donaldson. We have not tested any other spin on filters. You could cross over to another brand, but be sure the micron and efficiency ratings are the same.