Is it possible ever to be free of self-centred activity? Is there a real self? | J. Krishnamurti

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Brockwood Park 1979 - Question #1 from Question and Answer Meeting #1
'Is it possible ever to be free of self-centred activity? Is there a real self apart from the self-created image?'
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  • @lepakshi123
    @lepakshi1233 жыл бұрын

    Only honest and genuine man ever I came across in the realm of so called spiritual leaders. Didn’t know him until KZread had showed his talk in recommended videos in the year around 2013 I guess.

  • @rajasekaran1874

    @rajasekaran1874

    2 жыл бұрын

    I feel the same J.K is a real human being.

  • @thattaikrishnan5523

    @thattaikrishnan5523

    Жыл бұрын

    What u gained, because he is addressing the entire human race.

  • @kevziro

    @kevziro

    Жыл бұрын

    There are many honest and genuine people. I don’t think you have explored many of them.

  • @imthere2141

    @imthere2141

    Жыл бұрын

    I feel the same, it was so hard to find someone... who... if isn't profiting on your sorrow, has really gone threw the all absurd thing. :'- ) !

  • @imthere2141

    @imthere2141

    Жыл бұрын

    Is "SEE MY SOUL " irony then? I guess so. In my personal research from Krishnamurti's talk, i read that soul, "ANIMA" in latin, comes from greek "ANEMOS", which only meat "WIND", and was therefore not MY..., and didn't actually mean anything, just silent passive sensitiveness.

  • @josephcobb6228
    @josephcobb62282 жыл бұрын

    "your own perceptions set you free."

  • @Vishalsingh-nt8sw
    @Vishalsingh-nt8sw3 жыл бұрын

    JK can't be referred by a friend or a family, he needs to be discovered like a Truth. Love you Sir, listening to you itself is a meditation. Makes me so calm and happy.

  • @whybye7572

    @whybye7572

    2 жыл бұрын

    Jk said you cannot have light from another so while you listen to jk, you would accept his words as knowledge and then you are conditioned with knowledge. Plz sir see all this. See the main point.

  • @rajesh1618

    @rajesh1618

    Жыл бұрын

    You are 100% right.for I feel so.What a person are you!!!

  • @dkozz1
    @dkozz1 Жыл бұрын

    His words here is like a flower. As it opens its beauty unfolds.

  • @blacknblue7912
    @blacknblue79125 жыл бұрын

    0:19 A legend was born again.

  • @zoetele123
    @zoetele1234 жыл бұрын

    I wish I never saw a video of this man, but I can't stop listening to him. I'm sad, happy, but wiser than before discovering the real me.

  • @AshokMishra-zn9sr

    @AshokMishra-zn9sr

    4 жыл бұрын

    How one can comment when he see him image less

  • @saucemasterflex

    @saucemasterflex

    3 жыл бұрын

    The real you will find hapiness. If you havent found hapiness then you still haven’t found the real you. Keep looking buddy, don’t give up.

  • @dnt000

    @dnt000

    3 жыл бұрын

    You are the universe yourself, everything more than that is your imagination, created by thought, the self. I am happy that you found answers.

  • @samyaknagrale358

    @samyaknagrale358

    3 жыл бұрын

    Me too

  • @summer12151

    @summer12151

    3 жыл бұрын

    What's the real you ?

  • @brocklesnar2922
    @brocklesnar29224 ай бұрын

    I LOVE You my dear Jiddu krishnamurti ❤❤🎉🎉😊😊😊

  • @yopueelin7300
    @yopueelin73004 жыл бұрын

    “Your own perception sets you free.”

  • @frankbruno8556
    @frankbruno85562 жыл бұрын

    This is one of the clearest presentations of Krishnaji. Every word resounds in beauty and freedom.

  • @Alexandra-to9rb
    @Alexandra-to9rb6 жыл бұрын

    Thank you we all my hart J. Krisnamurti.

  • @RaviPp521114
    @RaviPp5211148 жыл бұрын

    The comments already appeared on the teaching, is worthy of pondering. In this sifting of essence, we feel that there are real seekers of the actual, so, here I too am indebted to the official channel. Let me thank you profoundly sirs !

  • @amanmishra6617
    @amanmishra66173 жыл бұрын

    Who is here in 2021 listening to all his videos?

  • @purohitchintan66

    @purohitchintan66

    3 жыл бұрын

    Me

  • @johnmoss3810

    @johnmoss3810

    2 жыл бұрын

    👊👍

  • @Youareunique_like_me_Sarab
    @Youareunique_like_me_Sarab3 жыл бұрын

    The self is pure, not contaminated by our labels or images. We need the drive to pursue the truth, that the self is the truth. Rest(outside situation) is a sweet illusion.

  • @-lunte.

    @-lunte.

    2 жыл бұрын

    the moment we use the word self to describe that which is beyond the self, it is still the self (an image)

  • @yashshah5903
    @yashshah59036 жыл бұрын

    Love you JK.

  • @tommathew7684
    @tommathew76845 жыл бұрын

    To avoid the self/ego, we must free ourselves from the known. Krishnamurti

  • @philcorfield403
    @philcorfield4039 жыл бұрын

    To be free of attachment. To possessions, reputation, relationships etc.... It seems that for any of us to be free, means that we must also be free from attachment? The speaker said, "When you see that one of the major factors of the self is attachment and you see what it does in the world..."If you see the truth of attachment then that very truth is so; it is actual. Then you're free from it. Your own perception sets you free.... will you do it?" It rings true to me.

  • @edzardpiltz6348

    @edzardpiltz6348

    5 жыл бұрын

    The self is the attachment. And the the resistance, which is attachment to not wanting. 😘

  • @thattaikrishnan5523

    @thattaikrishnan5523

    4 жыл бұрын

    You have commented on k¹ messages. That means you have commented on k's messages but if you have actually understood k's messages then there won't be anything comments.

  • @thattaikrishnan5523

    @thattaikrishnan5523

    4 жыл бұрын

    Read as any comments

  • @zan7838

    @zan7838

    3 жыл бұрын

    lmao cant relate.

  • @prasadmulupuri8714
    @prasadmulupuri87145 жыл бұрын

    Nobody, to my knowledge, has delineated self and its multifarious manifestations and mischiefs the way K has done.

  • @johnsouza001

    @johnsouza001

    4 жыл бұрын

    The whole path of Buddhism is No Self or Emptiness !!! What J K says, is what buddhist practitioners practice on 4 seals.

  • @graphstyle

    @graphstyle

    4 жыл бұрын

    Raj Barry far from my friend, very far from.

  • @nlnchary

    @nlnchary

    24 күн бұрын

    person becomes nihilistic and irresponsible towards own wife and responsible towards other wife. such behaviour cause trouble to him. since speaker isnt in an institution he did it.

  • @kolarglimpse6384
    @kolarglimpse63842 жыл бұрын

    Whole world wants to fallow his words.

  • @Rajat-qo7ot
    @Rajat-qo7ot4 жыл бұрын

    His way of talking is not for everyone,he is not a guru of masses. He can only be understood by a few and if you are understanding his essence you are quite lucky and blessed

  • @shalukapadia6209

    @shalukapadia6209

    4 жыл бұрын

    ABhishek UPadhyay You are right Abhishek, but I would say this is for all the human beings, some may have known it before but some will gonna hear it first time but those true word if anybody will hear, would be working as a magical experience for the listener. If somebody is listening to it, that means somebody has initiated the process of transformation by listening those magical words.

  • @rishabhsen84

    @rishabhsen84

    4 жыл бұрын

    Aren't u strengthening the self, discussed in video, to be recognised by girls i guess.

  • @zan7838

    @zan7838

    3 жыл бұрын

    how am i to determine if i am lucky LOL

  • @Aadityakumar00
    @Aadityakumar00 Жыл бұрын

    Legends are here to watch j Krishnamurthy first video😂😂

  • @pramodjondhale381
    @pramodjondhale3819 ай бұрын

    Have seen this video several times. But I never ever heard this kind of talk by anyone else .. He is supra genius.. Just by listening to this you are enlightened instantaneously.. Something out this world..

  • @tageschance5501
    @tageschance55013 жыл бұрын

    You say, the only way to be free of that center within is to love without motive- every moment of life. Then I’m free, finally ❤️🕊

  • @pramodjondhale381

    @pramodjondhale381

    9 ай бұрын

    The moment you realised that you are happy then you are already unhappy..

  • @BetAgain2
    @BetAgain22 жыл бұрын

    Self is a bag of lifeless past incoherent experiences causing only conflict and confusion. Being free from past, the known, demolishes self.

  • @brianchamberlin6724
    @brianchamberlin672410 жыл бұрын

    Namaste to justin bieber. We all thank you for sending us all here.

  • @rajasekaran1874
    @rajasekaran18742 жыл бұрын

    J.K the man of highest intelligence!

  • @gameofthrones5655
    @gameofthrones5655Ай бұрын

    ❤love this clear light here❤

  • @adityarajchauhan7949
    @adityarajchauhan79494 жыл бұрын

    When sense of responsibility arises , it arises as sense of responsibility for oneself , hence self remerges , simply there is no freedom from self , only union of self with everything.

  • @nodifangproductions546

    @nodifangproductions546

    2 жыл бұрын

    beautiful

  • @joginderanand7618

    @joginderanand7618

    Жыл бұрын

    We have accepted self as a reality There is no think er with out thought Attention perceives In pure perception no center is formed One realises that self is a bundle of memories This requires alert attention

  • @cecileqwertyuiop098
    @cecileqwertyuiop0985 жыл бұрын

    message understood ! we're doing it

  • @jinyoungyi209
    @jinyoungyi2093 жыл бұрын

    Thank you for all human being's love & wisdom.

  • @bandugupta58
    @bandugupta584 жыл бұрын

    Jiddu is absolutely awesome!

  • @seamustackney995
    @seamustackney9952 жыл бұрын

    Lovely honest man

  • @bhupendratomar4575
    @bhupendratomar45752 жыл бұрын

    Thank you so much

  • @madhiazhaganranjith5112
    @madhiazhaganranjith51123 жыл бұрын

    Ego driven only to find ego is false

  • @thattaikrishnan5523
    @thattaikrishnan55233 жыл бұрын

    Free from everything. Now and now is always now. Is it possible. I have done gone through. The tragedy is thought always. We are taken away by thought process.

  • @clodhopper-dodo

    @clodhopper-dodo

    2 жыл бұрын

    "We" are Not taken away by the thought process. The 'we' itself' is a thought . 'we' can never understand that 'we' is a thought unless the observer is above the level of thought. How can it happen? Ans: Only when there is no observer in the observation. There is only observation without the 'we' - the observer

  • @emaho8210
    @emaho82102 жыл бұрын

    Thank you 🙏🏻 💕

  • @Manuel-zz1nz
    @Manuel-zz1nz3 жыл бұрын

    Wonderful

  • @cricketabstract3099
    @cricketabstract30994 жыл бұрын

    Thank you sir

  • @rohitsingh-tm2si
    @rohitsingh-tm2si2 жыл бұрын

    listening to you ...like a real motive

  • @manoliochodechunto1412
    @manoliochodechunto14129 жыл бұрын

    Thanks broa!

  • @kamesh7818
    @kamesh78184 жыл бұрын

    Thank you.

  • @allpointstoone4346
    @allpointstoone43464 жыл бұрын

    Great

  • @premanesbit
    @premanesbit8 жыл бұрын

    Where there is so called "self"(ego) there must be conflict. More you try to get rid of it, more you are strengthening it. Is it possible to detach oneself from everything? From your own experience, from your own "life". Will you do it? Yes, you can. Then you will dissolve yourself into the Heart of God and realize that you live forever.

  • @yogeshthite5653

    @yogeshthite5653

    5 жыл бұрын

    Then you attached to concept of God. We have habit to take resort something.

  • @thattaikrishnan5523

    @thattaikrishnan5523

    3 жыл бұрын

    But thought process dominated. We never be able to remain in the consciousness state. This fight goes on.

  • @dabeezkneez8716

    @dabeezkneez8716

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@dekz8 and is 'forever' not in time?

  • @ramangottumukkala7371

    @ramangottumukkala7371

    2 жыл бұрын

    Brilliant ! Thank you

  • @ramdhiwakarseetharaman5989
    @ramdhiwakarseetharaman5989 Жыл бұрын

    If I can fully take in just this video in, I can be free from a lot of suffering. 🙏

  • @yogithashetty2587
    @yogithashetty25873 жыл бұрын

    Thank you so much for bringing this to us 🙏

  • @faisalalishah6311

    @faisalalishah6311

    Жыл бұрын

    Me 2

  • @tommathew7684
    @tommathew76845 жыл бұрын

    The "me" is operating all the time.

  • @espritvacant1761
    @espritvacant17615 жыл бұрын

    ❤😍🙇🍀🌞K. le plus logique des humains que je connaisse😚😘❤

  • @SrikanthIyerTheMariner
    @SrikanthIyerTheMariner2 жыл бұрын

    I think "Wow I have understood the amazing words from JK " and my ego pats itself on its back. Back to square one.

  • @rajmars

    @rajmars

    2 жыл бұрын

    I dont think you have understood. You are still identifying yourself with the tag in your second name

  • @misha1200
    @misha12005 жыл бұрын

    Imagine there's no countries It isn't hard to do Nothing to kill or die for And no religion too...

  • @moon5darkness

    @moon5darkness

    5 жыл бұрын

    Michael Kotov like living as animals in jungle with no laws or regulations?

  • @vinayrash

    @vinayrash

    5 жыл бұрын

    @@moon5darkness Animals have no brain

  • @moon5darkness

    @moon5darkness

    5 жыл бұрын

    Technically they do

  • @gevanlappido1304

    @gevanlappido1304

    5 жыл бұрын

    Micheal you may want to check out the talks by Yuval Noah Harari on the positive sides on nationalism. Having countries and the belief to be connected to people who I don't even know is not only bad but also have many good aspects which helps to live peacefuly together

  • @gevanlappido1304

    @gevanlappido1304

    4 жыл бұрын

    @Abdulrahman Al-Anazi I feel it does relate to. Seeing the bad side of nation/patriotism or for example money is easy. And there are many examples of its destructive power. So strong that it is easy to forget that it has light and good sides as well. It let us cooperate in great numbers without knowing everyone personally. Do you know the person generating your electricity or your ambulance driver or store clerk? He only does it since he get paid and a nation build roads. People carrying for people they've never met and never will. It also can be used to hate people you've never met. But I don't feel it is the fault of nations or religion per se. Yuval gives a bigger picture to understand better 😊

  • @solomit1
    @solomit17 жыл бұрын

    Your own perception will set you free

  • @pillettadoinswartsh4974

    @pillettadoinswartsh4974

    6 жыл бұрын

    not if it maintains its own status quo

  • @solomit1

    @solomit1

    6 жыл бұрын

    Yes i agree perception will only set you free if you come to the understanding that JK talks about

  • @davejung52
    @davejung522 жыл бұрын

    What a powerful lecture.

  • @thattaikrishnan5523
    @thattaikrishnan55234 жыл бұрын

    Is it possible to be aware of everything at a glance. If it is possible then it is awareness. If not the mind is caught in a particular pattern and there is repeating of thinking.

  • @super7ace
    @super7ace17 күн бұрын

    It doesn't mean we have to shrink/narrow our senses & mind.

  • @CliffBarz
    @CliffBarz3 жыл бұрын

    Leggo my Ego

  • @tommathew7684
    @tommathew76845 жыл бұрын

    This is the thesis of "The Godfather" series.

  • @madarauchiha8459

    @madarauchiha8459

    2 жыл бұрын

    Explain

  • @tommathew7684
    @tommathew76845 жыл бұрын

    You, me, I..... leads to economic and social conflict.

  • @_XY_
    @_XY_2 жыл бұрын

    👏👏

  • @preethikrao
    @preethikrao2 жыл бұрын

    🙏🙏🙏

  • @Olga8888
    @Olga8888 Жыл бұрын

  • @julianal.573
    @julianal.573 Жыл бұрын

    💐

  • @AnthonyHoward-ru8su
    @AnthonyHoward-ru8su Жыл бұрын

    The self is an idea

  • @kartikg.kartikg
    @kartikg.kartikg2 жыл бұрын

    13:05 the soul of the video

  • @vidyaranyavijayapura1121
    @vidyaranyavijayapura11215 жыл бұрын

    It is false sense of security that drives one to myself. If that false shield is thrown out as first step then it may be possible to get rid of this

  • @K-BAAP
    @K-BAAP Жыл бұрын

    And he have recorded for that as well.

  • @_XY_
    @_XY_2 жыл бұрын

    Krishnamurti knows the Matrix

  • @अनकर
    @अनकर10 ай бұрын

    👍🏻

  • @momocita77
    @momocita7711 ай бұрын

    Fasting day today 💚🙏

  • @sarvgrover
    @sarvgrover4 жыл бұрын

    Me or I culprit. Attatchment is the problem.No division, no conflict

  • @gnpantulu1919
    @gnpantulu19194 жыл бұрын

    " Sometimes " I feel Mr JK. suggests us to be adumant or hard to the human psychology . But how could He , be a seeker of the Truth , without Self ?

  • @Yeshua-Ben-YAHO
    @Yeshua-Ben-YAHO Жыл бұрын

    Look at the center with your inner eye, without judging just look at it with closed eyes, and he will vanish away. Destroyed, you are the body of the divine.

  • @srikantramasubban3777
    @srikantramasubban3777 Жыл бұрын

    Non attachment & emerging of responsibility

  • @asharanikamble6594
    @asharanikamble65942 жыл бұрын

    Actual spiritual human being😊🙏 infact he is God,,☺️

  • @mayanpictures3000
    @mayanpictures30002 жыл бұрын

    Stay with K, he’ll show you what’s going on with you

  • @cmanjularao9833
    @cmanjularao98333 жыл бұрын

    K.....❤️

  • @truthseeker4491
    @truthseeker44914 жыл бұрын

    Attachments= self....

  • @zainabalnakeeb2748
    @zainabalnakeeb27484 жыл бұрын

    I am really trying to understand but I feel like I am lost

  • @nangotoman9429

    @nangotoman9429

    3 жыл бұрын

    And how you're doing by now? Did you keep trying?

  • @ericnicholson870
    @ericnicholson8706 жыл бұрын

    I was probably there in 1979 listening to this. He is a spiritual iconoclast. I stick to zazen these days! Listening to K may start people off on a spiritual path but in the end it a 'lot of words'

  • @livinglife3352

    @livinglife3352

    5 жыл бұрын

    did you observe self is disappear

  • @prasadmulupuri8714

    @prasadmulupuri8714

    5 жыл бұрын

    i feel the other way. Others are mere words and opinions.

  • @andypoudel6377

    @andypoudel6377

    4 жыл бұрын

    When one does not see the facts it becomes bunch of words not the other way around.

  • @livinglife3352
    @livinglife33523 жыл бұрын

    Sensitizing ourselves with expressing greatness of words/someone is also another form/kind of self. Human is much much complicated on earth.

  • @andrewwellesley8747
    @andrewwellesley87474 жыл бұрын

    We have his words but up to us what do with it.

  • @duncantoms
    @duncantoms11 жыл бұрын

    justin bieber sent me here and i'm glad he did

  • @himanshiteesha3224

    @himanshiteesha3224

    6 жыл бұрын

    Duncan Toms how?

  • @kevinbk6028

    @kevinbk6028

    3 жыл бұрын

    Himanshi teesha in his dreams

  • @livinglife3352
    @livinglife33525 жыл бұрын

    Is it like listen to heart instead of me(self) and act upon or react?

  • @ff_hao

    @ff_hao

    5 жыл бұрын

    to be aware of the whole relationship of all. and with that follows pure compassion.

  • @srikotiaryan8888
    @srikotiaryan88885 жыл бұрын

    damnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn

  • @anitapaul230
    @anitapaul2302 жыл бұрын

    To be able to perform action doesn't it mean that there is at least tiny bit of identification needed?

  • @_XY_
    @_XY_2 жыл бұрын

    How to unplug from the Matrix

  • @artofjourney
    @artofjourney10 ай бұрын

    Brain attached to objects as an image because your cosmic begins has not absorbed into the physical state that the brain has created in your mind and therefore cannot process information from the outside without any input

  • @nicolasaronmoralesobreke9316
    @nicolasaronmoralesobreke9316 Жыл бұрын

    nunca lo doblaran o al menos meterle sup en español ?

  • @RosePetals888
    @RosePetals88810 жыл бұрын

    his teachings seem to me very similar to Roberto Assagioli's Psychosynthesis..?

  • @metricmoo

    @metricmoo

    10 жыл бұрын

    Bieber's?

  • @gyan1791

    @gyan1791

    5 жыл бұрын

    Or Roberto internalized and added from K

  • @raghurampotturi
    @raghurampotturi4 жыл бұрын

    Though he is Great speaker and perfectly told about self... Surprised to see he did not understand the eastern /indian approach of same thing. And many times he pointed that few particular approaches r incorrect which indicates he did not understood the depth of Buddhism/ Advaita vedanta. Here he asks to think.. eastern approaches says think and if u cannot think then here are another ways like Bhakti /meditation etc..

  • @netgalactic

    @netgalactic

    4 жыл бұрын

    //particular approaches r incorrect which indicates he did not understood the depth of Buddhism/ Advaita vedanta. // Which is totally wrong of you. He has mastered Buddhism and all of the Vedic including the Upanishda during his leanings with the Theosophical Society. But he never utters a word about it. But he has understood the true meaning of the freedom which you may have not! Do more research on him and make a judgement about a man of that caliber! You have proven your level of understanding with that, sorry.

  • @mocifear4598
    @mocifear45983 жыл бұрын

    This mans energy is not right, he talks a lot of nothing, we are bound by our attachment to this world, this is the human condition, we do need to learn true realities, which will help us look in as an observer, but we can not detach the self, the self is the means to observe and learn, without it you create a psychopath! So his teaching is dangerous, we need to learn to be contented and be an observer looking in, this perception is good for looking at the higher perceptive, ego is important so is fear and love these emotions help us navigate in our world, our goal is to keep it all in balance, that’s the great mystery!

  • @masonart4950
    @masonart49502 жыл бұрын

    Here's my problem with his philosophy.... If I were to make no effort and just be myself, what if I am a murderer? A thief? No effort, no trying, means being exactly who you are right now amd following every impulse. And we are full of sin.

  • @nicbarth3838

    @nicbarth3838

    2 жыл бұрын

    oh ya I agree with you for sure, although I think he meant it towards the audience, hehe murderers well you could say that they are full of self since they couldn't give up wanting to murder, although?! like you were saying its directly because they don't think enough about others a spontaneous empathy that doesn't stretch as it comes from your own perceptions of self in having awareness of ones emotional state, kinda autosignosia which may impede perspective taking, although this kind of empathy can be learned as a result it will generate a once diminished percept of self state thats created with more nuance, or greater affect. I think it is both that self is inflated in desire hence impulse control problem and diminished in spontaneous and possibly understanding as it comes from muted foundation. hope this helps

  • @unikrator

    @unikrator

    Жыл бұрын

    Hello, MasonArt. You pose a good question. The following is my comment to the best of my understanding of J. Krishnamurti sayings on "effort". Do not take my response as representing his teachings; that is something you have to engage on your own. So, respectfully, here goes: If you are a murderer/thief ("mt" for short for this discussion), any effort to change means the mt is still the actor. No matter what effort the mt makes, the mt actually is perpetuating himself/herself/itself. The actor/effort-maker and the act/effort are inseparable. So, effort continues or pre-supposes the existence of the effort-maker, so to speak. But, consider: What if effort is non -existent? You indicated that if you make no effort, you are what you are (an mt). Consider the opposite: If no effort is, (if the mt is not acting/"efforting" or no effort of any kind is made at all), who or what is there - since the mt is absent? The mt cannot be where it does not make nor generate no effort. So, what is there, then? We can say that the mt "IS NOT", or 'no effort' does not allow any actor to arise. Be clear, too - that 'no effort' is NOT from any 'effort' by an actor. Rather that 'no effort' is an outcomet of awareness of the nature of effort. One cannot make a state of 'no effort' come about directly...trying directly would ironically involve effort, wouldn't it? No, 'no effort' is cessation that comes from being aware (beyond just knowing) of the nature of 'effort' and 'no effort'. Hope you continuing questioning and coming upon realizations on your own. I do NOT wish you good luck on your journey. Unnecessary for what faces you. Go it alone. So, in the truest sense, 'no effort' ceases the continuation of the actor, and thereby his continuing state and 'muschief' (as K is fond of referencing to the misdeeds, confusion, etc. we engage in...your so called 'sin'). And, what state/being comes when you make no effort? Roughly, it's nameless because it is what you've not come across before. It is nothing familiar. (And it will NOT be an 'experience'...that's another discussion.) All these you are free to delve into, apart from my discussion.

  • @sanekabc
    @sanekabc7 жыл бұрын

    He says that where there is division there must be conflict. I don't get that point. I am a Greek. Do I automatically have a conflict with a Frenchman? I am not the tree and I have no quarrel with the tree. Can someone elaborate?

  • @ChaoticaExtreme

    @ChaoticaExtreme

    7 жыл бұрын

    Conflict and division has nothing to do with anything like this. If it did, there would be constant conflict with every other we come into contact with. This is why different types of ego exist. 'Self' is not created. It is planted at birth. It is not possible to remove it, nor even be free of it. All that can be done is to try and be the best one can. It takes constant effort, or 'mindfulness' as it's called. The true inner will always burst through though at the first sign of emotional disturbance. As an example, it is JK's ego that makes him behave the way he does. He is being his self, just talking in this video. He is attached to what he believes. Detachment means what it says. It is not a creation of the self, nor even by any kind of notion of a higher self that is the true 'you'. It is bestowed. Nothing has any affect on it, nothing overcomes it. All this reference to other nations, marriage and such is meaningless. Such is just material thinking. True detachment means all other members of humanity mean the same to you, Full stop. Forget belongings and anything else you heard. Nothing else need be said.

  • @ChaoticaExtreme

    @ChaoticaExtreme

    7 жыл бұрын

    Bornix Nyine It is far more basic than that. It comes down to individuals that one doesn't even know. Never met, no matter what wrongdoings they may have done. Would you feel the same way about a mass murderer as you do your own family members fx? This is the true meaning of detatchment. Unconditional is the associated word. For all JK's wise words, he still spoke often in material terms. I do not use the description of 'higher self'. I am a human being that is here to represent the 'interests' of something that cannot be described. A proxy. That is all.

  • @ChaoticaExtreme

    @ChaoticaExtreme

    7 жыл бұрын

    Bornix Nyine Course it's Ok. We're just kicking things about. However... What you are saying is not based on your own truth. Not your own thoughts.You are quoting theosophy. Blavatsky etc. Blavatsky makes no sense to me. Leadbeater was involved with JK. Leadbeater spoke of Kundalini. He knew nothing of it. Even JK doesn't agree with Leadbeater on the subject. Such material is of no value to anyone. How can that possibly be part of a discussion on anything except what others have stated. Where does that involve the realities of what 'higher self' is? You state that you are God incarnate? How do you support that?

  • @ChaoticaExtreme

    @ChaoticaExtreme

    7 жыл бұрын

    Bornix Nyine "If we knew everything and therefore our own truth, there wud be no need for learning from any1. Naturally this is not the case" That's just according to you though. One doesn't need to know everything. If you have no own truths, how do you know what you learn is relevant? Truthful? Blavatsky's words obviously mean more to you than mine. Is it because the person is a well known? A celebrity? "This divine spark is the same for you and all life but you need to investigate the matter further to clearly understand it." Now you are telling me I don't understand. I already understand it. It is not the same for me. When I die, It's finished. A new body will replace this one and my 'Soul' will continue to evolve. I am but a vehicle. God incarnate I am not. You can't place that on me since you already stated you are still learning. I ask you again.. How do you know? Are you not aware that one's own truth comes from within? Do you have no doubts at all about the things people tell you? Obviously, where these big names are concerned you don't, but you should. I can listen to who I like, but the final choice of whether I accept the words is mine.

  • @ChaoticaExtreme

    @ChaoticaExtreme

    7 жыл бұрын

    Bornix Nyine "u shud not be prejudiced with my learning from Blavatsky or theosophy at large" I haven't. You have done so to me instead by telling me what I am, and how wrong I am on several occasions. I only asked rellevant questions regarding your own claims, and the belief that you follow, in an attempt to see where you come from. All claims I made were in regard to myself only. You can't, or won't answer anything I ask you, but refer to your group of people instead. "keen on wat the soul is and wat it is not" The soul is indescribable to me. JK doesn't even believe in the existance of one. Nor God either, yet you say he is one of your teacher group. JK also makes a point about not copying others words. So you see that you come across as confused to me? Yet you try to tell me how it is. Sorry if you felt uncomfortable but that's the way it is when one wants the truth. If you're done, then OK. Take care.x

  • @Prashanttt70
    @Prashanttt705 ай бұрын

    Anyone in 2024😂

  • @johnq3000
    @johnq300010 жыл бұрын

    Lol JB sent me here too

  • @19grand

    @19grand

    8 жыл бұрын

    How?

  • @mohicanmowl

    @mohicanmowl

    6 жыл бұрын

    Hopefully you won't back lol

  • @rohitsharma1285
    @rohitsharma12852 жыл бұрын

    15:15 😂😂😂😂 bruh

  • @jeremyseligson2220
    @jeremyseligson22205 жыл бұрын

    You left out that which speaks feels etc, that is the self. You did not id a center but a miasma - at least at the start

  • @sanekabc
    @sanekabc3 жыл бұрын

    Well, we carry on with the status quo because you have given us nothing to work with other than to see why making an effort is counterproductive. Most people will not see beyond this paradox. But if you do then it has been done. Not you have done it. I know you see this problem, this conundrum K. Yet, you make it sound like it is my fault that I carry on with the status quo.

  • @seamustackney995

    @seamustackney995

    2 жыл бұрын

    It's not your fault .it is the same for us all.look at the misery that was put into us Gods education society it was all bull but now we know our problems that is in some sense is liberating.b wishes

  • @sanekabc
    @sanekabc3 жыл бұрын

    Will you do it? But without effort, which is a paradox. lol

  • @cutyoursoul4398

    @cutyoursoul4398

    3 жыл бұрын

    it's a paradox only for the mind. dropping the self is effortless, actually is more an effort to keep it hahahaha

  • @VitaminM1

    @VitaminM1

    Жыл бұрын

    His context is be natural

  • @Yogakshema_vahamyaham
    @Yogakshema_vahamyaham3 жыл бұрын

    Is attachment to justice and equality wrong?

  • @nangotoman9429

    @nangotoman9429

    3 жыл бұрын

    Not "wrong" maybe is "not the way". Attachment is forcing, is conflict. Don´t analize, don´t rationalize it. Let it grow naturally from inside, without YOU thinking about it, let it flow, let it be, naturally. Don't think about it, just feel it, live it. It's the purest way

  • @cutyoursoul4398

    @cutyoursoul4398

    3 жыл бұрын

    Is not about wrong or right. It's beyond. ANY attachment is the "problem". Attachment create ego

  • @Rajat-qo7ot
    @Rajat-qo7ot4 жыл бұрын

    To understand him completely a person must have an IQ of Einstein or more

  • @Shubham88664

    @Shubham88664

    4 жыл бұрын

    True

  • @zan7838

    @zan7838

    3 жыл бұрын

    lol

  • @cutyoursoul4398

    @cutyoursoul4398

    3 жыл бұрын

    consciousness has nothing to do with mind intelligence

  • @dabeezkneez8716

    @dabeezkneez8716

    3 жыл бұрын

    Probably More🤣🤣🤣

  • @phantasma669
    @phantasma6693 жыл бұрын

    So krishnamurti proposes to become now buddhas. Without any effort... Others spent 10 lifetimes in practice to achieve it. Impossible. You can only start from the center to overcome it with effort.

  • @nangotoman9429

    @nangotoman9429

    3 жыл бұрын

    Because one tends to rationalize everything, to think and overthink. Just accept it, live it, let it flow. Stop fighting against it, stop searching, that's conflict. Just accept it and feel it. It sounds simple, it seems complicated, but once understood it is simple again.

  • @user-rv7ge7gz3s
    @user-rv7ge7gz3s6 ай бұрын

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