Loot boxes need to go. And, yes, they are addictive. I don't mind micro purchases if, and only if, you know what you are getting.

@gorgonsmith7.8bviews1dayag3

Жыл бұрын

I dont care

Also glad to see gamespot focusing on this type of stuff.

@dhani08

Жыл бұрын

Yes...

Yes absolutely. Its predatory by design.

This series just keeps getting better and better. Very well done guys!

@christophermorris5971

Жыл бұрын

Thank you!

Thank you for doing this video because I think this asks a very important question and more people should be interested in reaserching if loot boxes should be banned.

Thank you for doing this series guys!

That video was even better than the last one, keep ‘em coming! LOOTBOXES are a very big problem

Yeah, loot boxes is gambling. Such gaming damnation.

More content like this please!

I think games need to make it easier to get coins in game rather then have to spend Hella money to purchase coins and then while doing that make the looting system harder to get rarer things while also making it easier to get coins or more coins from playing the game basically actually reward the players that put in hard work playing without spending money to get the good things

@robertogonzalez1907

Жыл бұрын

That’s why I find Halo 5’s loot box system to be one of the better systems. You’re able to get everything in the game by earning it, and that itself doesn’t take all that long to do.

When I was 14 I played a lot of csgo. My friend was opening lootboxes and won a knife. I wanted one so badly that I also started to buy keys and open lootboxes to try and get a knife. After a week I lost about $150. What stopped me from buying more keys? I ran out of saved money. If I had more I would have spent it. I never even ended up getting the knife. There should be more regulations on these lootboxes. Another child may get more addicted than I was.

Bungie was smart in not adding lootboxes but instead added in game engrams.

@Maxtraxv3

Жыл бұрын

you mean loot boxes?

@maebusgaming7913

Жыл бұрын

@@Maxtraxv3 that's was the point sush

@DrMordin

Жыл бұрын

You cannot purchase the loot box engrams, you can only earn them in game. It's turned into a store with microtransactions, and the loot box is a chance at those items earned in game. While they have also given players a way to purchase items in the store with a currency also earned in game called bright dust.

Only game devs would want them to stay, but players need to stop expecting new stuff all the time and start looking at enjoying older things

This video needs to be shown to the government around the world so the game industry to improve if that doesn't work we have to unionization so we can protest refuse to play games with loot boxes microtransactions season passes and battle passes in $70 games so that we are cattle for investors and companies want thier stock to up we are not slaves we are people who want to be free

@muzamilnabinadroo

Жыл бұрын

Government is made of politicians who are the real disease of this world but yeah unionization can be a good thing.

@ambronxx

Жыл бұрын

Season passes and battle passes are good ngl, but buying loot boxes that does not promise you 100% what you’re gonna get is some else. Cod was a huge example. Glad they are no longer looking into that anymore.

@the_yeegineer

Жыл бұрын

Ye

@EST84x

Жыл бұрын

What?

@the_yeegineer

Жыл бұрын

Basically, loot boxes bad

It's been time for loot boxes to go for 5 years now.

Simple answer: YES

It was time when the plague started 😑 I also put some blame on Gaming media ign and Gamespot for not helping nip this practice in the bud when reviewing these games that tried to abuse the systems in the first place. You guys gave these games good to high scores regardless of how the core community felt about this .

@XBMxBama

Жыл бұрын

Bingo

@christophermorris5971

Жыл бұрын

I understand what you're saying, but I don't think that's largely true. There are numerous articles, and videos on this channel which are incredibly critical of loot boxes for exactly this reason, including the likes of FIFA and Battlefront 2. To use SWBF2 as an example, the review gave it 6/10 and specifically calls out the loot box and microtransaction systems in the multiplayer modes, there's a whole 12 minute video about the controversy surrounding the loot boxes in the community, and a video where we detail how little you get for $100. Last year's FIFA review called out Ultimate Team for being pay-to-win, as it has done for years. It might vary among the staff but I don't think it's fair to say we've never been critical of loot boxes or games that have them.

I played a Kabam game and heard stories of other players doing desperate things to remain competitive. One player admitted they were failing to pay his mortgage and was scared when someone knocks at the door as it could be the bank trying to foreclose on them Others running up mad CC debt. There was also a belief the game itself was inserting "their own" players on a server within unlimited coins to push the existing whales to outspend them so they can remain top dog on that server. In the end the game turned into "you spend $50k+ to play at a high level, or you spend your time building an account for the whales to crush. I just stopped playing them all together. I am fine with spending, but when you need to go pass $100 a month then you might need to consider this game will have a short life as players will continuously quit and those that spend huge money will rule a dead server.

Mtx,lootboxes,fomo, daily quests, "it's just cosmetics",I wonder if people that only play online mp games still know what it is to be rewarded properly in a game... such a sad and bleak future , luckily there are still good games here and there from time to time

Overwatch had loot boxes that were so easy to get for free that if you didnt have your skins you had to be either extremely unlucky or you just didn't play the game. And now they're getting rid of them in favor of a shop. So now instead of playing the game for a chance at good stuff, and over time collecting everything(no repeat drops) now you have to pay or no content, they'd have to have a pretty robust battlepass to make up for that.

Short answer, yes they need to go. Between loot boxes & battle passes in paid games, they are ruining gaming since they are building games around that instead of building a game to either have a great story or great Gameplay

Mainly,regulating it does not imply in efficiently reduce the harm of loot boxes. Thankfully,the market trend is to change the loot boxes design into something alike battle passes,just like Call Of Duty did (a mechanic that,in most cases,does not alter the gameplay for those whom not buy it,mainly by adding cosmetics,which pactically does no harm for this population,making a neutral-win relationship). If we compare the number of games with predatory pay to win lootboxes,like Battlefront II between 2016 and 2022,we can see a crescendo-decrescendo shaped graphic,which reaches it peak between the beggining 2017 and the end of 2018.

rocket league had a great loot box system before they changed it. you received crates from playing the game which you could open with a $1 key. what made the system so great is that the community added value to crates which allowed players to trade them for items and/or keys. basically you could get all the crate cosmetics if you didn't want your crates and were willing to trade them. this allowed whales the option to pay for everything through crate gambling while the people that didn't want to spend money could exchange their crates for the items they wanted.

@Xboxiscrunchy

Жыл бұрын

This sounds like a free to play + loot box model with extra steps.

The question answers itself. Yes.

Not a fan of loot boxes, but I'm curious to hear opinions: If loot boxes / in-game currencies were really cheap, do you think people would mind as much?

@Nova-nz1zu

Жыл бұрын

Not at all lol. If they made things easier to get then suddenly the problem goes away!

People need to dissuade themselves of the lie that is microtransactions. They are not funding the continued development of a game, they are a means of generating additional profit for the publisher and shareholders. Not a single cent of revenue earned via loot boxes or the sale of MTX ever gets into the pockets of game devs, their salary and funding is secured long before a games launch.

In laymen's terms: yes, yes, yes, yes, YES!

Great country we live in, where gambling (Sorry I mean rewards systems) can be in children's games, and we have to worry about getting credit card bills for $10,000+ for "loot boxes", hoping the bank will reverse the transactions.

If it has loot boxes I don't see it as a valuable usage of my time...

loot boxes are fine when they're bought through earnable ingame currencies

Microtransactions in general can cause some pretty big problems, even when you know exactly what you are getting. Also I have seen many "micro" transactions that cost more than $5 a pop, even more than $10. At what point do microtransactions stop being micro? I spent probably close to $90 on a mobile game once before I realized what was happening and I could have bought nearly 2 launch price console games for the same amount. What had I been spending that money on in game? To unlock puzzle pieces or shards to unlock a cool character. The unfortunate bit being that even after unlocking him, there would be more grinding and lootboxes or transactions needed to get him fully leveled up. I quit playing the game entirely.

Its worse than a casino in some cases, some games like Elder Scrolls Online have loot boxes with 0,4%(i think) chance of getting a cool mount and NOTHING to guarantee you even after paying 10k $ that you will get one of those mounts let alone the specific one you want, no pity system no NOTHING (and even pity systems are in absolutely no way an excuse)

Yes loot boxes need to go. Its like diablo 2's mechanic....but now you gotta pay for the drop. Its not new and its addictive and its manipulative.

I mean, it's painfully obvious. Now we just need ppl to care

Not watched the video yet But yes

Yes, and also randomised booster packs like pokemon and yugioh cards too. It is also gambling and almost never worth the money when compared to the second hand market. All people do it for us the experience of opening up a pack aka the gambling experience

It's been time

But it's also been happening for years like football cards

Need to ban Gacha systems to then because that’s what loot boxes are changing too

Always has been

I think games like Rainbow six siege do it very well. Its pretty easy to get free packs and you dont really feel that you need to buy something (atleast me)

Is all loot / random chance in a game bad or just when you have to pay for it?

@frank8917

Жыл бұрын

The second one There are examples of games with good loot boxes Like Monster hunter world, the loot boxes are actually the monsters you hunt, kind of

it was time 20 years ago but publicity websites like gamespot had to cater to the big developers just to stay afloat

Thinking 🤔 1) It is interesting that there is no B role shown from apex Legends. 2) Giving little link talk about trading cards is a mistake. We have had trading cards for much longer in our societies and is apart of a child’s life much sooner at a regular rate. The gotcha machines of Pokémon and LoL dolls is in the hands of kids before they even know how to use a controller. 3) We do not know the chicken to the egg aspect of loot box to gambling. This is why research and Parents taking control of children is important

I would like loot boxes and micro transactions gone. The peer pressure thing is certainly real. If you see another gamer showing off better gear, you want the same. The problem is the fact we’re in an “instant gratification” society. We want things right now with minimal effort. So gamers might be willing to spend real money. However, like gambling, it can be addictive and you might never be satisfied.

@alexoike5381

Жыл бұрын

Perfectly said.👍🏾

Yes, so much so that any developer / publisher should be severely and retroactivity punished for every instance of loot box implementation.

Yes.

It appears to me that the problem is not loot boxes themselves, but the ability to purchase them along side earning them in game. To that, I say game developers are not responsible for your weak will, lack of self control, or unawareness of what your kids are purchasing online.

@Thaibiohazard123

Жыл бұрын

That's the thing though. Most of these lootbox games prey upon youngsters. Huge chunk of their income comes from underaged player. And you cannot expect most kids to have self control as much as adults do. It's the reason why they don't let kids and teenagers into the casino. If it's an adult, yeah sure, the person themselves is to blame too. What we should talk about here is 'Does lootboxes count as gambling?' -- If so, then there should be strict age restriction at the very least.

@Nova-nz1zu

Жыл бұрын

@@Thaibiohazard123 But again that falls upon the parent to be aware of what their children are purchasing with their money online. Being attentive to that is their responsibility

@Thaibiohazard123

Жыл бұрын

@@Nova-nz1zu Gambling can become an addiction. Addiction is more problematic to solve. Being attentive of what they purchase wouldn't cut it, even when they're not allowed to buy all that much, because some kids cannot be responsible for themselves nor possess critical thinking, it becomes really difficult to control and possibly result in worse reaction, like lashing out, stealing from their parents or others, or once they become adult, they spend money irresponsibly on these stuff which is very much more harder to change course. Though it doesn't happen to everyone. It certainly happens to some. I've had experience with people with addiction whether gambling or drugs since they were young. Problem is you'll never know when it starts. But once it starts, it's not as easy to deal with as one may think. It's like saying we should allow kids to play in the casino, and it falls upon the parents to control them. That wouldn't work. Better to just restrict it to some extend.

@Nova-nz1zu

Жыл бұрын

@@Thaibiohazard123 Casino is entirely different because unlike casino, these games are offering a free alternative. You simply have to just play the game. If a parent feels that their kid is at risk for becoming addicted to the gambling element of purchased loot boxes, it may be time for them as a parent to limit their kids screen time and get them outside rather than game developers playing nanny. Massive multi million dollar corporations can't be expected to limit a product that most of their player base (myself included) enjoy over newer more expensive systems like a battle pass, simply because a smaller portion of their players weren't taught self control.

@Thaibiohazard123

Жыл бұрын

@@Nova-nz1zu You can apply the same logic to casino. Why should multi-billion industry have to play nanny if their parents can't keep them out of gambling addiction? Everybody loves it. Let the kids have fun too! Throw in some 'Free 100 chips Friday'. So it's safe for kids now. If something happens, it's their parent's fault. See, when you say "most player base enjoy", you're talking about underaged kids, since it is factually less popular among older player. If the system was truly enjoyable, it wouldn't have been only popular among people who haven't fully matured. There's a reason why it works better on youngster. It relies on their immaturity to survive. I'm not saying they should remove it entirely. Age restriction seems fair enough. It's pretty much an alternative form of parent limiting their kids and be responsible to society as a whole. So I don't see why not. It doesn't affect you neither. If you're an adult, that is?

Its not that deep they should just make it so its not accessible to kids. Its not about loot boxes, games in general that have purchasable skins or dlcs cause the same effect. Look at fortnite for example they have a huge fanbase that are all if not mostly kids or teens. Just make it so if you wanna purchase something the adult has to verify it via two step verification. Lastly the "loot boxes" should be rewards for gameplay and not purchasable. Also Rainbow Six Siege & Overwatch 1 do loot boxes the right way, you earn them through gameplay and in siege you can even purchase them with ingame credits. Of course you can buy them but its pointless none of the skins go away there just seasonal and R6 skins can just be gotten through ingame credit.

Just ban micro transactions in general, make things fun again so that you have to earn what you want by unlocking it and completing a task, Versus reaching into your wallet

@dazzaMusic

Жыл бұрын

Not going to happen it’s the reason why these companies are so successful

@kevingame3198

Жыл бұрын

@@dazzaMusic But he’s right there should be government regulations because the reason why companies are so successful was because investors want to see infinite growth for their profits

@dazzaMusic

Жыл бұрын

@@kevingame3198 Loot Boxes yes micro transactions as a whole no because as long as you can see what you’re buying the government can’t do anything about it.

@blumcole

Жыл бұрын

I’m ok with mtx. Its a way for companies to make more money and for people with less time or who don’t care to spend some money. Whatever. I’m not ok with not knowing what you buy.

@kevingame3198

Жыл бұрын

@@blumcole It should only existing free to play games like League of Legends but not acceptable and $70 jeans like Gran Turismo seven or pushes the micro transactions to pay to win like Diablo immortal They’re doing this to target minority of people who can spend hundreds of thousands of dollars whales

6:07 If I remember correctly, the amount of credits gained through loot boxes was very low, so you was never enticed to buy loot boxes to unlock the heroes (only to unlock starcards,) as most credits came from challenges and it would have probably been faster to just play the game and get credits that way than it would be from lootboxes I agree with your point but I just thought clear some stuff up.

V4 online is Ripping kids off with loot boxes and doing any upgrade is like 10% $$$ out the door

I mean what’s the difference between buying Pokémon cards or trading cards in general. Overall it’s the parents responsibility.

ban or illegalize all in game purchases that are not dlc

EXCUSE ME! IT'S SURPRISE MECHANICS!

This is why they are banned in my country...

Years to late, GameSpot has persisted in giving these games high scores and failed to criticize for years

Yes and DLC too cause they sell unfinished games 🎮

Loot boxes need to go since companies around it have a legit lack of innovations in player progression

If you can argue that the games will not turn you into a monster and going into a killing spreed, you can also argue that games will not turn you into an addict to gambling. And if you say that loot boxes can target the most vulnerable to become addicted to gambling, you can also say that violence in the games can help those vulnerable to become violent. You can not simply justify one and not the other. Loot boxes need to go ...that's a given, but with that same measurement something needs to be done with violence...no? I don't have a problem with loot boxes, cause I don't partake in loot boxes, but I am not part of the demographic the loot boxes are created for, I am not a violent individual, I am not inclined to violence, I do not like FPS shooters, but who's to tell what other might experience when playing Doom for instance?

@christophermorris5971

Жыл бұрын

I understand your point, but those things are not at all alike, because 20 years of research has failed to prove any sort of robust link between video games and violence. Violent video games are not based on psychological mechanisms designed to encourage violence. Loot boxes, however, are based on psychological principles that are specifically designed to compel people to engage with them in a reckless and compulsive manner. The same principles that underpin slot machines. We know this because developers say so themselves.

@SteveNaranjo

Жыл бұрын

@@christophermorris5971 probably I failed at making my point across since English is not my native language, but my point is if one is to agree that loot boxes practices could edge some small portion of the population (those with tendencies to gamble) to gamble, by the same measurement one have to agree that exposition to violence could edge some small portion of the population (those with tendencies to violence) to violence. Or at least will desensitized said individuals to violence by repetition. Normalizing one or the other is wrong, difference is ... EA, Activision, etc etc sees a profitable venue in gambling while not in violence, therefore they do research in gambling to target that exploitable demographic.

So I just played games that don’t have them or play XBX360 games

@the_yeegineer

Жыл бұрын

Thx but I have Xbox one x so no

@the_yeegineer

Жыл бұрын

Srry

Loot-boxes are ok if the only way to gain them is to play the game, paying for anything after you just dished out 40/50 big ones on a game is a big no no

@Nova-nz1zu

Жыл бұрын

I agree 100%. If the problem is people getting addicted to spending money on loot boxes, that's their individual problem. Game developers aren't responsible for peoples lack of self control. Having the alternative to earn them by just playing the game is perfectly fine.

@TheBicycleRepairman2

Жыл бұрын

@@Nova-nz1zu you do realise why most western countries have banned sigaret adds i hope? The world is more complicated than "it's on them". 100% free will doesn't exist. Else advertisements wouldn't work.

@mademedothis424

Жыл бұрын

This is just one of the ways the conversation about this is very inaccurate and not too rigorous. Unpaid lootboxes are in every RPG. Loot boxes are how... well, loot is done in every game. What people are complaining about is monetized loot boxes. Shiny Pokemon are a loot box. And yes, as the video briefly mentions but glosses over, there is no meaningful difference between a monetized loot box and, say, a pack of Pokemon cards or Magic cards. Despite what the video says that is the main point of reference for the mechanics. There are more ways in which this conversation is not very good, including the equivalence of "regulating" and "banning" (loot boxes shouldn't be "banned" in the way gambling isn't "banned", this is a conversation about age ratings, first and foremost). I genuinely hate how bad the discourse about this is. Developers aren't talking about it openly, researchers are, frankly, not doing a geat job and regulators are, just like back in the day with violence, looking for a cheap win. This conversation should be so much better, more effective and more sensible than it is.

@Nova-nz1zu

Жыл бұрын

@@mademedothis424 Monetized loot boxes are an option though, not a requirement. Again it completely falls on the individual whether or not they decide to spend money on a system that offers a free alternative because it is just that, their DECISION. I just don't see how that falls on developers who have offered a free alternative in most instances. A majority of the time, the rewards you earn are merely cosmetic, not game enhancing items which makes this debacle less of an issue on the system itself and more of an issue on the individual. Developers should not have to manipulate a system that has worked for them simply because of the minority who haven't been taught self control.

@mademedothis424

Жыл бұрын

@@Nova-nz1zu Fair enough. That's why I think this is an age ratings problem more than anything else. A lot of people are hostile about these because they don't like the mechanics, which is fine, but won't be fixed by regulation. The practical issue here is letting parents and vulnerable people know what is in the game and giving them the tools to make an informed choice.

Yes please!!!!

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Loot boxes are gambling as long as they have a chance of something. that is the main drivers of casinos on weak people. Loot boxes have no space in gaming.

@Nova-nz1zu

Жыл бұрын

Neither do weak people

saved my life

they should obviously be illegal, especially for people under age.

I’d welcome ban on loot boxes. i’ve stopped playing mobile games because of it

Sounds like gamebolt

why is this even a question, ban them ... or just do what Warframe does.. with theirs. give players a cosmetic item that they can earn with in game effort. or just spent money on that particular item. jeez.

Real Casino has real money if you win big you get big... Not with lootbox.. Even with the rarest 10star legendary loot.. What do you get? Bragging rights.. Yep

@Bozinian

Жыл бұрын

Your gambling money for a reward regardless if the prize is more money or a prized skin its still gambling ..... dunce?

If we ban loot boxed we need to also ban booster packs from card games like Pokemon, Yugioh, Digimon and others. Every booster pack is a loot crate.

I love loot boxe

Loot boxes= pay for a chance to win

I got a question for y’all in the comments which is worse a lot box / supply drop system or wasting 30-40$ on a skin

@Bozinian

Жыл бұрын

They cant justify charging 30/40 for a skin

Kiddy Casinos

"Mammoth" 54 pages?

@christophermorris5971

Жыл бұрын

Hahaha, fair comment. The text is pretty small though.

This is such a 2018 video.

In Islam, buying and selling something that is not clear is prohibited.

@dhani08

Жыл бұрын

it's called gharar

@dhani08

Жыл бұрын

The word gharar means uncertainty, hazards, or risk.

It’s not gonna happen so let’s talk about it

Or just don't give kids your credit card info so they can't waste it on stuff like loot boxes

@marchedbus9882

Жыл бұрын

Most parents are unaware of the harm of loot boxes or parental control tools.

@SkillOp

Жыл бұрын

not really the main issue tho right? because once they are old enough to get their own the damage have already been done right?

@comodorogalante8951

Жыл бұрын

The video says about this same argument u made here and refute it, don’t be lazy man with your argumentations

@ezioaltairac

Жыл бұрын

Parents give their six year olds M rated/PEGI 18 games despite the warning on the front label. They obviously can’t be bothered to do more research than that :l.

@AA-sw5pb

Жыл бұрын

@@marchedbus9882 yeah but you would think people would have common sense to not give their young child their credit card info. Like if you give your kid your credit card then act suprised when they waste money that's on you

first

for kids in a mature game ?? also what about pokemon cards??

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Noooo. I need the new Fortnite skin!

I love loot boxes AS A REWARD. I loathe when you can buy them or are required to get them to play properly.

They should never have existed in the first place.

Hey you want to pay to win that your problem not mine. Ill just grind like the old days

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Keep loot boxes but make them only give skins

@deathtrooper2048

Жыл бұрын

That's what most of them do

@Doi-

Жыл бұрын

@@deathtrooper2048 not all sadly

@TheBicycleRepairman2

Жыл бұрын

That's not the answer. Overwatch's limited time event lootboxes where incredibly manipulative and predatory.

@Doi-

Жыл бұрын

@@TheBicycleRepairman2 same with siege but thats up to an individual's self control, first 2 months of a game and i probably put 300 into it, my fault not anyone elses, and I'd do it again, and again, and again any chance i can.

@TheBicycleRepairman2

Жыл бұрын

@@Doi- if you can afford it, unwise but not extremely harmful. Though you can't say you weren't at least partly manipulated by psychological techniques. Gambling is not a rational action. And people who's lives could be ruined by doing this should be at least somewhat protected before they ruin both their own lives and those around them. Free will is a nice catchphrase, but doesn't excist the way you think it does. You are always influenced by outside forces and stimuli.

Should've been banned back in 2020

Lootboxes are not a problem but a consequence of a monetary system.

No father

If parents let their kids gamble, that’s on them. Why kids have access to spending freely online will never make sense to me.

*YES BAN THE LOOTBOXES I PAYED FOR THE GAME I DON'T WANT TO PAY FOR THE CUTE FURRY SKIN*

Most of the games with lootboxes aren't made for kids and it's closer to opening up a pack of pokemon cards for the chance of getting the card that you want

Lol kids can’t gamble anyway since they don’t even have money unless you’re a negligent parent who leaves your wallet out

Whoever's reading this, i pray that whatever you're going through gets better and whatever you're struggling with or worrying about is going to be fine and that everyone has a fantastic day! Amen

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