We're back! Thanks for the patience ladies and gents - you can expect regular uploads for the foreseeable future. ~WellRestedRyanF9

@shafiqh6061

5 жыл бұрын

Love it. We were getting withdrawals Team!

@shabadabadoo4326

5 жыл бұрын

i literally commented on another video just a day or two ago that we missed you. Welcome back.

@YA-ee9zf

5 жыл бұрын

we missed you x

@kazager11

5 жыл бұрын

I was suffering withdrawal, so much so I found and watched your valedictorian speech.

@darwinpayette1563

5 жыл бұрын

Glad to see your back, I was just thinking you'd become a west coast bum😜

"Fortnine Advanced Research Center for Equipment (FARCE)" well played, sir.

@woutvleugels1424

4 жыл бұрын

I thought is said "fortnite", i guessed i was just too old to get the joke

@principal7819

3 жыл бұрын

Reminds me of Top Gear - and that's a bloody amazing compliment.

@mac243877

3 жыл бұрын

lol

"Because the millimeter is a unit of length, I checked." Had me dying at the airport 😂

@dr.doppeldecker3832

4 жыл бұрын

To comprehend that the millimeter is a unit of length, actually is an impressive achievement for an u.s. citizen:)

@alexfinn7989

4 жыл бұрын

Yes haha

@veiledallegory

4 жыл бұрын

Dr. Ziegler he’s Canadian!

@smac4749

4 жыл бұрын

Yep, that’s the kind of scientific, educational insight we want! 😂 As always though, a funny and informative video.👍

@gregp103

4 жыл бұрын

You should have bought flight insurance.

The issue that I’ve always had with the concept of Gore-Tex-esque fabric design is that if one is riding (or walking, for that matter) in the rain, the outside atmosphere (that is, humidity outside of the jacket) is near or equal to 100%. That stated, there is no outside “draw” for the humidity inside the jacket. In short, there can be no flow of moisture through the fabric unless the outside humidity is less than that inside the jacket. It follows that the greater the difference in humidity (i.e. outside vs. inside) the better the outflow. It follows that Gore-Tex (and all) will exhaust sweat on a dry day just fine; on a moist day - ain’t gonna happen.

@timjohnson1199

Жыл бұрын

I know. But, as I always say "cold or wet, not both". I guess on a rainy day I'm happy to be not soaked but warm.

@Jone952

5 ай бұрын

snow

I literally had to look twice at the notification to believe it was really Fortnine!

@ProjectRedfoot

5 жыл бұрын

4real lol

@julian-estrada

5 жыл бұрын

I could not believe it myself!

@LTVoyager

5 жыл бұрын

I hope it was a good vacation and not due to something bad.

@kingbradley8058

5 жыл бұрын

I thought it was a Fortnite video being recommended for me for some reason

See @revzilla ? This is how you make a comparison video.

@karamlevi

5 жыл бұрын

Oren B yep. Zilla just hucks gear while revealing nothing of usage ability or much quality control. After a bad helmet from zilla they tossed me the manu # n told me Nicely to kick bricks. Why sell a helmet with lots of leaks n complaints if your vetting product? Customer loyalty lost . I may buy again from them but not last Sunday $400+ to another company:-D

Two anecdotal personal experiences with this kind of garment. 1) Way back in 1995 I purchased a lightweight shell for general outdoor use, like walking the dogs. It is (I still have it) a Columbia brand product and cost approx $200 back then. They use some Columbia version of water/vapor fabric that at the time was considered close to GoreTex. On a muggy and damp day, wearing layers including a knit sweater, a long tromp on the trail would develop enough perspiration that I'd want the wide back vent across the shoulders to be open, also the slash vents on the front. Here is the big surprise. within two years of buying it, one of my dogs broke through the ice and it was on a river. The dog (Golden retriever) was paddling in all directions trying to get out, dunking under a few times. Cutting it short, I could either walk away or stay and watch; either way he was going to disappear a final time under the ice. I knew I had to hustle or I'd be in the Monday news as the idiot that drowned trying to save a stupid dog. I did not want to be that guy. That's humiliating. The rescue was a safe success, never letting go of the timbers. I fully expected I now had to deal with the effects of hypothermia and act accordingly. To my total surprise, all of my clothing under the shell was completely dry. For sure I thought I'd be soaked to the bone. So from the neck down to mid thigh was dry and warm. i.e. my core was dry. I guess being submerged, water pressured the garment against me and it "sealed" itself. Waterproof enough for me. Over the years the waterproofing has degraded and I apply third party treatments. 2) I bought an Olympia motorcycle rain jacket for $120 for a trip from Ontario to Cape Breton. The worst day was 11 hours on the highway from border to border of New Brunswick. Doing 100 to 120 km/h most of the way in really REALLY heavy rain, I was completely dry under that thing. I poured a few ounces of water out of each boot at the end but from cuffs to collar, cozy cruising. It really helped keep my body temperature in a good place.

As a mountaineer who also sold sporting goods for 6 years, I can attest that GoreTex is king. Trust me when I say I really wanted some other promising brands to work because of the overpriced GoreTex. Not to mention as a company they a bullies. But nobody has come close to the balance of waterproof and breath ability. Sure Gordon fisherman yellows are far more waterproof and soft shell NorthFace is way more breathable but living in the NW if I get caught in ugly weather GoreTex products win. Also as a note when the outer fabric of any jacket become soaked breath ability Is crap in everything, it’s why I always recommend put zips no matter the jacket.

@conradbielicki774

3 жыл бұрын

great point about breathability when wet - which is why i always take a rubber or other impermiable shell with vents as opposed to breathable fabric. Even on the bike I stay dry with vents as long as they're facing down

@gunplaytv

2 жыл бұрын

Check out Futurelight from TNF. I think you'll find that's the only thing that's coming close

@ceecrb1

2 жыл бұрын

As someone who sold a LOT of equipment to mountaineers. Trust me, gore is not king, its numer 2 but with better marketing and market saturation. E-vent is the stuff we staff in technical outdoor sports shops all order for ourselevs from manufacturers rather than use the gore products off the shelf. Goretex is just a stretched synthetic fabric with holes in it that through convection, moisture will leave and liquids are blocked. E-vent is the same execpt more advanced, the holes are conical so actively wick liquids through them (small part of cone to skin). Surface tension makes the moisture spread out and actively push itself out of the garment. Trust me.. try an e-vent product (if you can find one), you'll never go back.

@erueru2014

2 жыл бұрын

@@gunplaytv I am an authorized retailer of TNF and I can tell you that Futurelight is all marketing bullshit, I was so hyped when they came out with it, they claimed it to be just as waterproof as Goretex but up to 3 times more breathable, and it feels a lot softer than those cringly Goretex jackets. When I go biking in my Impendor Futurelight jacket I get just as sweaty as I do in a Goretex jacket with the underarm zippers closed, and the Furturelight jackets dont have underarm zippers. As for waterproffnes, TNF refuses to give any stats on it, but from personal experience the Impendor jacket and the L5 pants gets soaked in about half an hour of light rain. TNF have changed the description on most of their Furturelight products from 100% water proof to "light resistance against moisture" which to me sounds like clever legal bullcrap. When I go into the mountains (northern Scandinavia) I bring my Goretex jacket and pants or something with E-vent, as those WILL keep you dry. EDIT: the new Furturefleece from TNF is really awesome though, the L2 Futurefleece is my new favorite by a large margin.

@scratchy996

2 жыл бұрын

I did not sell Gore-tex, but I had three pairs of Gore-tex shoes and they were garbage. It was embarrassing when on hikes people in cheap Decathlon shoes had dry feet, and I had wet feet with shoes three times the price. So I guess it's my fault I fell for their marketing.

Fabulous work guys - appreciate the effort you put into this - what I call a real real-world test......glad to see you back too!

@FortNine

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks buddy! Good to be back. ~RF9

@nathanboeger9329

5 жыл бұрын

You two should collaborate on one some time.

@svensupermen

5 жыл бұрын

I work as a product researcher / designer but not yet in motorcycle garment. But this would be a perfect review to have, great quality and the diy test makes it real! Keep up the good work from the Netherlands!

@nagualdesign

5 жыл бұрын

Haha! It was a helpful video but definitely not what you could sensibly call a "real world test" - unless you plan on making high-pressure water balloons rather that wearing your jacket in the rain. 😜

@thedanyesful

4 жыл бұрын

@@nagualdesign compared to relying on the manufacturer's spec it's definitely a real world test.

It’s 2 AM here in the Philippines. I don’t own a bike. But I still keep coming back to this channel for the awesome quality content. Welcome back!

@janlan1313

5 жыл бұрын

Same XD

@Asiandynamo

5 жыл бұрын

Pek pek

@Raykazen

5 жыл бұрын

@Joey Mantka why couldn't he say that ? It 100% fits the context, grow up man.

@garri.almighty

5 жыл бұрын

@Joey Mantka a pleasant day to you my child. A couple of thoughts: 1. I did not say I was Filipino. I only said I currently live in the Philippines. 2. Ryan is from Canada and majority of his reviews, tips and products he reviews is sold in Canada and/or in the US. This means his target demographic is Canadian and/or American motorcycle riders not Asians most especially not Filipinos. 3. Now that I have established his target demographic (see point 2), I would like to point how much I very much appreciate his content even though I am not part of his target audience. Even if I cannot completely relate to his content because I myself do not own a bike (at least not yet) I still come back for the quality of the videos he publishes. As what my good friend ​ Clément Péau said my post 100% fits the context. And to answer your question, (as of time of this writing) 192 people care. :)

@alexandreaubry5808

5 жыл бұрын

@@garri.almighty Hey Garri, I am also in PH, not Filipino and not owning a bike yet, also fully aware that I am not a part of the target. However, as I am learning how to ride and about to purchase, I must say that I am enjoying watching this guy's videos as much as I am learning from it. I can say I support you !

Very informative. Thanks. Will keep that info in mind when shopping for motorcycle gear.

@wifelikecow

3 жыл бұрын

Great channel my guy. Keep on it with the good DIY content.

@Twallrion

2 жыл бұрын

Just curious. What kind of methhead uses a inch wide cilinder and measures the height in mm

1st time watching your content. Loved the wit and excellent presentation! Thanks.

I've been waiting 15 years for a video like this, except more for hiking gear. This was great, thanks for making it.

@juhojalonen3046

2 жыл бұрын

@@lmlm2500 Wow! *winks and walks out*

Dainese's D-Dry membrane should totally have been called Drynase.

@FortNine

5 жыл бұрын

Amen. ~RF9

@Jin-Ro

5 жыл бұрын

How the hell did the Dainese marketing bods miss that one.

@timmasonguitar

5 жыл бұрын

@@Jin-Roaybe because it sounds like something to do with the nose :)

@MotoGPfan3987

5 жыл бұрын

Rory Mag Drainese

@0fg4

5 жыл бұрын

Drynarse

Amazing video, as always! Small advice as a data analyst about the chart at the end, it's very good but it would be much easier and instinctive to understand and to explain using a bubble chart with for instance the breathability on the x axis, the waterproofness on the y axis and the price as the size of the bubble. This way, you can say that everything in the bottom left quarter is proper shit, top right quarter is amazing, bottom right is good if you want breathability over waterproofness and top left if you prefer waterproofness over breathability. Price bubble area will tell you the value for money and how much GoreTex is a rip off in one glance. Or easier, replace the bubble size for price with different colours for different price ranges (green to red maybe), much easier to draw. But anyway, that's just a small improvement idea, amazing videos... All of them are incredible.

Fantastic work Ryan! I always expected - and experienced! - my Gore Tex stuff to "guarantee to keep my dry" only from the outside; from the inside, it was more like a sauna... It's so nice to have this hunch verified by a lab test! Thanks for all the innovative thinking - and executing - of these thoughtful experiments. It's a joy learning from you! (And I say that as a teacher...).

Finally! Welcome to 2019 F9 !

@nuttenglotzer007

5 жыл бұрын

He's still alive!

We need more F9 videos, all the time.

@julian-estrada

5 жыл бұрын

Moar!!!

What a brilliant way of making this so simple to understand! Kudos Ryan!

Wow, you won me with this. Thank you and congratulations on that fantastic work. My absolute respect!

watch at the 1:30 mark as they "photoshop" a second 'm' into the chalkboard to show it is 1500mm vs the 1500m that he wrote. Love it. Awesome.chalkboard

@onlytiesto1

3 жыл бұрын

howwwwwww

@Stratocasterhead51

3 жыл бұрын

Just saw that :p

@uytouytoo9944

3 жыл бұрын

are you alien? how did u see it?=))

@ayushgupta3991

3 жыл бұрын

hahaha... excellent catch :D

@karpenterken1

3 жыл бұрын

WTH is a chockboard? LOL

Great to see you back feels like a lifetime ago since last video.

Just saw the video about liners. Gor-tex is the best. I have very expensive Gor-tex lined Bates tactical boots. I tested them through Denver winters, lots of snow and deep puddles and my feet were always warm and dry. Gor-tex products are always going to be more expensive because it does what they advertise. Very good quality video.

Hey Ryan Thanks for yet another excellent review. Clear and concise and useful, as always. Keep up the good work.

Thank God you are back! I was just stalking Y'all

I love how scientific this was! Keep up the good work!

This video is so useful for anyone who go outside, not just motorcyclists. It also tickles the physicist in me (my physics education ceased after HKALE, but this video reminds me of the classes in college) , I love how scientific it is and the data for us to make comparisons and decisions

I'm quite impressed by how well these tests were done!

Great consumer advice.

Welcome back FortNine, you guys really do have the best motorcycle content on the internet. Keep up the amazing work!

no way he actually just covered everything I read about in piles of articles (not quite) and geeking out about for the past couple days!!!!!!! Stellar freaking video!

Just accidentally stumbled up this video, and I usually never comment but I gotta say the editing and general way the video is put together is so satisfying! I like how you use clear and concise terminology and make everything easy to understand. Well done man, well done!

Finally, some numbers and proper comparison between brands. Thanks, F9!

Wow! You worked your butt off on that one buddy! Great helpful information. Thank you.

This is awesome! Please do it again comparing all the different types of Gore-Tex

I so rarely see such a good humor in a such an informative video series. Love the show, guys!

Riding year round in the cold wet PNW, I have Gore-Tex gear and yes, it works and is completely worth it!

@AbigailPoirier

5 жыл бұрын

Riding year round in the hot humid southeast, I have Frogg Toggs and yes, they mostly work and that's all I need. In the summer, which lasts approximately 9 months, getting rained on is often a relief, so me and my friends don't even bother with rain gear. In the winter, the rain isn't heavy enough to get through the Toggs. I like how small they pack up, too. The biggest plus is how COOL I look while wearing them. Not. Would definitely invest in better gear if I lived farther north, though! One of the coldest rides I've ever been on was in Ontario in May. It was in the 40's (Fahrenheit) and pouring for hours. Frogg Toggs were not equal to the challenge. My feet actually went numb from being so cold. That's the first and only time that's ever happened to me.

@hafizlemot

5 жыл бұрын

Well, actually riding in Indonesia with hot climate and rainy season with frequent moonsoon, i have a gore tex lined glove and it works beautifully under a really hard rain, but for jacket and pants nothing beats the good ol' PVC jacket 😂

@anonymouse2573

5 жыл бұрын

Im up in the NE, thinking gortext is a good idea after last year.. about half of my commutes were in the rain to some degree.. such a drag. Having to wash the bike most days is one thing, being wet is a whole nother

@biggus6633

5 жыл бұрын

Chris Ofsthun I wear these Gore-Tex hiking boots and they’ve been through hell. I wear them all year for work in the out doors. I do about 8 hours Monday-Friday and I average 5 miles a day. Some days I do 10-15 miles yet they are comfy as hell. I even wear them in all sorts of conditions. Hot and cold days, rainy and dry days. All sorts of terrains including dry chaparral trails, wet grass, and sandy, muddy and rocky trails and they have not failed me yet. I once had to fix some irrigation pipes in a flooded are and was there for about 30 minutes and my feet still felt dry. They costed me about $300 and I’ve had them since 2016 and they are heading towards the fourth year. I did not take care of the boot though. I didn’t clean them (except the sole when I stepped on dog shit) or take care of the leather and what not. The leather is all cracked now the sole is slightly coming off the boot. I’m going to see if I can get it repaired. But man I LOVE my Gore-Tex boots. I think I’m going to buy another one and really take care of those. I bet they would last a lifetime well taken cared of. I love Gore-Tex and I’m going to look into more products that use Gore-Tex because to me it’s worth it and it does it all!!!

@human1513

4 жыл бұрын

PNW? Some where on this planet I assume.

Another awesome video F9!

Well, I finally subscribed. You have made so many useful videos, and you present them very well. I don't even ride anymore thanks to an injury printing the sale of my dream Moto years back, but I don't think I'll ever stop caring about this stuff.

What a great video! I love them. Love you are from Canada as well! I live in the lower mainland, so it’s great to hear which brands have better waterproofing

As a self declared very sweaty bloke this test was fantastic! "Boil in the bag" sweaty waterproofs are the bane of my life! This test is invaluable to me as I prioritise breathability over outright waterproof-ness everytime. I am pleased that Scott came out top as well as I have a traditional very nice hide jacket that I have owned since 1988 and it's still worn regularly.

Doesn't matter that you're late, informative as ever.

Thank you sincerely! This is what we all need. Real would no BS tests that can actually be useful to the consumer.

I've been using Gore-Tex garments since the mid-1980s, and can vouch that it is waterproof, but barely breathable, leaving you drenched in your own sweat when the outside or inside (like when you exercise) temperature goes up. The constant testing of and testimony by many users over the years bears this out. The membranes all have to be bonded (glued) to an outer fabric, permanently plugging some of those pores, and the outer fabric needs to be treated with a coating which causes water to bead up, further diminishing breathability. If the outside fabric is not treated, or if the treatment gets badly soiled, the water will form into a solid "sheet" cross the face of the fabric. Your body slowly leaks vapor, it doesn't "push" it out. If it did, you would be able to inflate a garbage bag if you were to wear one sealed up around you with only your head sticking out. 😁 The moisture inside cannot diffuse through a solid sheet of water. On to the inside: Human sweat contains water, salt, and oils, among other things. The salts and oils can contaminate Gore's membrane and actually ATTRACT water from the outside through the membrane. To avoid this, Gore either uses an internal fabric to shield the membrane, or coats it with a sweat-proof (also waterproof!!) treatment. I have heard that this has been polyurethane in the past, which gives the inside of the fabric a sheen. I owned one such jacket for exactly three days and returned it to REI because it felt like a plastic bag against my skin on a weekend hike. Most Gore-Tex garments these days have a "scrim" bonded to the inside of the garment, which gives a more pleasant sensation where it touches the skin. All of these coating and bondings further reduce the breathability of the garment, which is noted in the test results here. One side note: Gore-Tex garments must be regularly cleaned according to their specific instructions, with specific cleansing agents, to remain waterproof and breathable. The outer treatment, called a "durable, water-repellant", or, "DWR" must be revitalized from time to time. In short, to maintain that very slight (I would say imperceptible) breathability, maintenance, requiring time and personal expense, are necessary. When cared for properly, one might get several or many seasons of weather protection from Gore-Tex garments, depending upon use, abuse, and care, or lack thereof. People may praise the breathability of waterproof garments. I will lay money upon the probability that: A) They must defend their choice to spend boatloads of money on the hopes of remaining sweat-free in the pouring rain, or: B) All of their ventilation options are in use and it's neither raining hard nor warm out.

@jaygopinath1694

Жыл бұрын

Sympatex>gortex and gortex is extremely bad for the environment sympatex destroys gortex in every way 🇩🇪 for yer

@gmy33

Жыл бұрын

I always wondered if real waterproof plastic like material . With heapd of smart vent and like rooftile system overlap would work ... .. shure a loose poncho is a bit like that .. not good in winds .. i just dont like when the water does not fall of the jacket but only if its treated with stuf that pollutes the enviroment anyways ...

I think it would be a more effective test if mechanical strength wasn't a factor, given the sizeable area under pressure with your test setup. The additional force would stretch the fabric more, and reduce the waterproofing capability. Also, I think you would get much less mechanical failure (rupturing) if you maintained the 1 square inch of testing area (e.g., smaller pipe like 3/4" with OD of ~1.05" which gives you just under one - OD because as the fabric inevitably stretches under pressure it will come away from the pipe and the pressure will be applied to the entire profile of the pipe). Since you have such a large pipe (2.5" PVC, 3" PVC? Area of that profile is 6.4-9.6 square inches, plus the 2" wide strip between the end of the pipe and the clamp. That would introduce an additional 18-22 square inches for a total of ~24.5-31.5 square inches of area under pressure. Considering the original test only applied pressure to one square inch of fabric, the total force is Pressure * Area = 15PSI * 1 square inch = 15lbs. Your test would similarly have (24.5-31.5)*15lbs = 367.5-472.5lbs of force on that fabric (unless I made some error somewhere, which is likely). With that additional force, it's not a very scientific test, and it's no wonder that the fabric ruptured.

@giuseppebonatici7169

5 жыл бұрын

yep. It's not the cleanest setup. I suspect that the real test has some sort of metal mesh to avoid stretching and to be able to calculate the real pressure per square in or meter. but this experiment is fine. I feel that is more realistic than a hyper controlled environment. And thus, more useful for the common folk.

@HaJoSchatz

5 жыл бұрын

Exactly the same thought here, I see this test as a fail. Unfortunately.

@cobbler88

4 жыл бұрын

To me it's even more simple. How much pressure does your average rainstorm assert? If it's only 10 psi, is there really any practical difference between a 15 psi material and a 30 psi material?

@zakofrx

4 жыл бұрын

@@cobbler88 he was trying to measure ass to pressure and knee to ground pressure.. I have worn Gortex skiing and sailing and their would be all sorts of pressure depending on what I was doing over the actual weather.

@cobbler88

4 жыл бұрын

@@zakofrx That would probably be apparent to more people if he hadn't seemed primarily focused on jackets. But the root of my statement stands. We probably need a real-world baseline against which to compare the cheaper or less-optimal performing options. Basically, maybe a few more T's needed to be crossed in this one.

I just discovered your channel. I love the amount of effort you put into your vids. Great consumer advice!

I have watched a few of your vids and think they are entertaining and provide information which provides a good basis for people to make a more informed decision on which products they should spend their money on. Only came across your channel today, may well watch more of your content. Keep up the good work👍

Honestly the best and most scientific of reviews delivered in an accessible way. Bravo!

YES IVE BEEN BINGE WATCHING YOUR OLD VIDEOS WAITING!!!!

Well WELCOME BACK finally! Good to see ya

Dude this is awesome! Love how you reviewed this! Thanks!

Great vid. I am now into upgrading my gear and this video will help me choose right and stay dry on my commute.

As someone who motorcycles in the winter, I can tell you that Gore-Tex is the ONLY thing that works in serious conditions.

@sterlingmalloy8849

4 жыл бұрын

Been riding around an atv for a few days, my Patagonia goretex shell is just as good if not better then my insulated coveralls

@diamondflaw

4 жыл бұрын

I'm not daring enough to motorcycle in winter with the weather we get here (North Idaho).... but I do ski way faster than is advisable in sketchy wet weather, and I concur on Gore-Tex for staying dry even when repeatedly abraded against wet snow at high velocity.

@JW-pz9xp

3 жыл бұрын

@Nelson Kaiser Have you got the internet? You need never wonder about a simple matter of fact ever again. You're welcome.

@Krabsism

3 жыл бұрын

@@59jalex how can somebody actually freeze in Australia?

@59jalex

3 жыл бұрын

@@Krabsism I suppose it's possible up in the high country of NSW?

Not sure why you didn't include a control for the breathability test. Why not leave a cup in there with no cover?

@ayookusanya5437

4 жыл бұрын

Good scientific point but not relevant for these quickie tests.

@sorayaimperial

4 жыл бұрын

It would absorb ambient water vapour, which composes 0,01% of our atmosphere, far faster than what is inside the bin with a cover, so it doesn't "control" anything, because our skin isn't usually absorbing ambient water like a dissecant does, nor is that what the jacket is being used for. Your control sample would make a lot of sense if we were talking about how much vapor gets INSIDE the jacket; this is pertinent, for example, in Nomex fabric for firefighters to use - it is far more resistant to flames than to vapour and you can get seriously injured by either water evaporating on the surface or vapour around you (trust me, it freaking burns). Resistance to vapour getting inside a Nomex Jacket could be controlled by dissecant exposed to said vapour; good Nomex jackets would need to absorb far far less than the uncovered sample. A more controlled option would be to cover it with some other fabric whose breathability is known (for being either very good or very bad), such as a cotton or linen tshirt, and put it with the other cups to compare.

@rosemaryus-ct6151

4 жыл бұрын

@@ayookusanya5437 thanks; appreciation for ur insight is included in my comment to soraya.

@rosemaryus-ct6151

4 жыл бұрын

@@sorayaimperial reminds me of the time i was sequestered in the ladies' room and one girl casually asked her friend, 'i wonder why toilet paper floats then sinks?' feeling somewhat like the wizard of oz behind the curtain, i explained specific gravity, how it relates to dry paper floating and wet paper sinking and the extrapolation of how displaced water volume allows heavy objects like boats to float and makes boats full of water sink. [my apologies to naval staff on SHIPS.] the girls were speechless. then they laughed. SO ayo gets the award for cliff notes; soraya gets the award for credible encyclopedic entry. thanks to both. we all appreciate having our questions answered.

@Kawiturbo750

4 жыл бұрын

20 years ago at 100 mph rain water did start to seep through my 100% Gore-Tex lineman's jacket.

I love these test videos you do. I am a strong proponent of Gore-Tex in my boots and pants. Still love my Rev’It jacket though not so much for waterproofing but for overall comfort and fit. Keep the videos coming!

Such a well made video. You guys rock. Happy new year!

Buddy below made a great comment. Standing in the rain vs riding a motorcycle in the rain vs riding a bicycle vs hiking are all different things. Each coat would be specific to a certain task. Dainese looks pretty well rounded though....I like that option....I'll take note for future when considering Goretex or not.....

It would have been really interesting to include OutDry in this comparison.

Wow! That was incredibly well done! Thanks for sharing 👍

Great video. I've worn my Frogg Toggs twice. Once in a South Dakota driving rainstorm on my motorcycle and standing in a Casper, Wyoming freezing rain for 8+ hours. Stayed perfectly dry on both occasions. Real world tests.

I click LIKE just cause there is a new upload, then I watch.

Know that feeling when you just found a good new channel? I do.

So much fun and so informative! Subscribed on the basis of having watched the Chain Lube video first and this after. Both videos shared. You Receive Eshkalar's seal of approval.

This is one of the best and most useful reviews ever. Kudos!

I do enjoy watching marketing Bull being cut through. Thanks for a great video.

You're back!!!!

@kevindavies5978

5 жыл бұрын

I think your the first comment

One of my favorite channels on KZread right here.

I was researching goretex prior to a new snow sports jacket purchase and this helped a lot. Thanks!

I'd be curious to see how this test changes after the garment/fabric goes through normal wear/abrasion, and maybe a couple of washes.

I thought you'd been abducted by aliens. Welcome back Ryan! Rgds from S Africa Clive

@mattbott9492

5 жыл бұрын

+1 Clive regards from SA

Nice information. I'm glad you finally mentioned seams. That "seems" to be the most common weak spot on jackets.

Wow, great presentation with a very clear conclusion . Thanks.

Why am I drunkenly planning my PCT hike tonight?

The problem is, the tests were developed by marketing departments and aren't very relevant to real-life usage. What we really want to know is how much the garment breathes when the surface repellent has worn, the outer layer has wetted out, and the atmosphere is warm and humid. In those conditions, you ain't going to get much breathability. My experience is with hiking, not biking, and for active use no breathable garment is going to keep up with your sweat. Many of the smarter and more experienced users are emphasising mechanical venting more than breathable fabrics. For biking, you have the issue of water driving into your garment at high speed, but are producing less sweat, so the priorities may be different.

@davidheywood4082

4 жыл бұрын

I was testing my gore-tex jacket over the last week in the Swedish mountains, and I still ended up getting wet inside because the jacket couldn't keep up with my sweat. No matter the conditions i'm always sweaty AF with a jacket or without. Over the week it was raining on and off and while the jacket kept out the rain for a while, the outer layer ended up getting overly soaked, and my body heat was still cranking. On this day however it was raining pretty hard for 30 min constantly. Most of the water was around the seams even though they have that extra seal on them. I don't think I will ever find the perfect jacket.

@slicedpage

4 жыл бұрын

Tullochgorum You are right of course. Study conditions and practical conditions can be miles apart although I did learn a lot from this video. In your opinion though what jacket would you recommend for real life ?

@tullochgorum6323

4 жыл бұрын

@@slicedpage Not a biker, so can't comment on that. For hiking, my solution is a good layering system, and a well vented silnylon poncho jacket I made for myself. It's worn over the pack, so there's good air circulation. But it's quite tailored so it doesn't flap. The only similar thing on the market is the Packa Jacket, which some people like a lot.

@slicedpage

4 жыл бұрын

@@tullochgorum6323 thank you

@silverstar2k11

4 жыл бұрын

Don't forget that its very important what kind of fabric you wear under your jacket. If you're not wearing anything that guides the vapor from your skin to your jacket (i.e. cotton) the whole point of breathable membrans in your jacket is gone.

Incredible review, so comprehensive and precise.

Great reviews, good info, good and useful comparisons, and simply the most entertaining channel to bring these contents across to the audience. Good job and continue like this.... independent matter oriented!

I have been wearing a Scott jacket for ages now. I've never had a leak while riding, even in super bad weather. I can also confirm it being extremely breathable (if inner warmth-layer is removed). I can most definitely recommend it for any average rider. sorry i don't know the model or whatever :D

Bro how the hell did you manage to fade another m in at 1:30 props to your editing!

@supernoodles908

5 жыл бұрын

Fade another video on top of the old clip

@GhastlyDerp

5 жыл бұрын

It's just basic text on video.

@thomaswarren2699

4 жыл бұрын

I don't understand

thank you very much for doing these tests!

Brilliant video, as always. Your channel is essential for any rider. Cheers!!

Fortnine vids r a sign of spring... glad ur bak!

thanks youtube algorithm. that was interesting.

Thank you for the great video! I'm in the search for waterproof jacket and it helped a lot.

Watched the whole thing and I don't even ride in the rain. A+ quality videos guys, keep them coming!!

Great vid as usual! I do wonder about the test method though. The increasing PSI stretched and expanded the materials like a balloon in some cases. I dont feel that's a fair representation of how these materials function in the wild.

Ahhhhhhhhhhh why were you gone for so long I missed you

Amazing production value, such high quality! I wish you guys made videos on other things (testing outdoor equipment)al!

This was a great test and just a great video! Well done!

Please don’t leave us again Ryan. Our rations were incredibly low.

Get military gore Tex used , you can always re- waterproof it, and you can get it cheap. I seen old bus camo/ desert camo 100$ for top and bottom sometimes well under 100$ check surplus Or Craigslist/ fb marketbplace around any military base.

@chrisryan3445

5 жыл бұрын

another option is police gear too, French police issue jackets are full laminate Goretex for about £50 - £75. I think Fortnine have covered similar in the past - going for ski gear gets you similar spec to motorcycle gear without the high price (because apparently motorcyclists are rich :D ). I was running military Goretex boots for a few years on my commute, held up well enough and comfy off the bike as well as on.

@jonnywalker8471

5 жыл бұрын

My dumbass turned in all my extra Gortex and cold weather gear when I got out. I wish I would of kept a few.

@CallMeJackWagon

5 жыл бұрын

Am I mistaken that Gortex (the fabric) is what is water proof and breathable - not a coating on the fabrix - you dont "re-waterproof" Gortex.... If you add a coating to waterproof its no longer effective as a breathable material

@paule5812

5 жыл бұрын

Scott Strickland what he means is after long use even the Gortex will start to lose it’s water resistance and using a silicone spray like 3M will put new life into the garment while still allowing it to breathe and have the water bead off

@CallMeJackWagon

5 жыл бұрын

Paul E I knew that's what he meant and my point remains. It's no longer breathable after adding a silicone to the fabric. That's my ignorant understanding anyway. You're clogging those pores with the coating when you do that.

That was fantastic you put a lot of effort into this congratulations

great technical analysis, Ryan. ty

My summer 2 layer Helly Hansen has never soaked thru. Even on the wettest and windiest day on Vancouver island, picking mushrooms all day. And it's 8 yrs old.

@paulsallee4889

4 жыл бұрын

That's magical....mushrooms I hope.

@jackvanderhyde8828

4 жыл бұрын

@@paulsallee4889 chanterelles and pine shrooms

Thank gawd, needed my FortNine fix! :D

Wooww just woww!! This is exactly the review I need! Now I know which jacket Im about to buy

so dainese d-dry looks like the best compromise. as always, content quality and production value of these videos are unmatched

The DWR coating is still responsible for shedding most of the water as well as keeping the pours unblocked so as to allow water vapor to escape from the inside on Goretex-like fabrics. in addition cold waterproof membranes have a tough time not letting the vapor condense on the membrane. I might suggest testing the ability of any particular garment to shed water (water beading up and running off and leaving the pours unblocked to allow transpiration). Also test the membranes laminated to a standard type of fabric. This will give a better comparison of the head to head performance of the membrane not the inherent differences in fabrics. Lastly, any testing should include warm vapor on one side and freezing temperatures on the other, to get a better indication of the permeability in situations likely to be experience in the real world. As far as getting the most from your Goretex-like garment, Use powder detergents and stay way from oil (to avoid contamination of the pours). When the DWR coating wears out, it can temporarily be revived by putting the garment in a very hot dryer. Failing that Scotch Guard or its industrial equivalents can used.

@algebraindomain

5 жыл бұрын

^ this guy peer reviews

@BubbafromSapperton

4 жыл бұрын

Pores, pores, pores, pores, pores...

Frog Toggs will literally cook you alive. I put some on when I was in a pinch once and I sweat like I never sweat before.

@jokari69

4 жыл бұрын

literally ? You type pretty well for someone who has been cooked :-)

@Blashkyrk

4 жыл бұрын

dah...he's a replicant dude! He have watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhäuser Gate!

Well Done Sir! An excellent piece of analysis.

I loved this! Please if you can, do more of this. Test brands and their promises!