The Pros and Cons of Every Motorcycle Engine Type
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RyanF9 shares what he loves and hates about Single Cylinder motorbike engines, versus V-Twins, Inline Twins, Boxer Twins, Triples, Screamers, Six Bangers and V4s.
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The only guy who can explain mechanical engineering like a social relationship.
@xnihilo1044
Жыл бұрын
Agreed. Just wish I could tell The Wife what I'm thinking compared to previous GFs. No way in hell I'm going down that road.
@PoisonStore
Жыл бұрын
@@xnihilo1044 if your present wife was your previous GF, then the only downside is the added cost of maintenance. Can teoritically be replaced but could be more expensive to do so and goes very rough as you kept your balace check for the added bonus you wish to set aside. (Please read this with ryan voice in your head)
@i_am_terom4810
Жыл бұрын
Is there anyone explaining social relations like mechanical engineering? Might be useful for ... A friend
@Daniel-dj7fh
Жыл бұрын
I think we're still very far away from mechanical engineering here.
@pietrolofria2100
Жыл бұрын
For real. I wish this kid was in my engineering study group 20 years ago.,
15 mins of FortNine is all a motorcyclist needs… ❤
@philippe7057
Жыл бұрын
And a motorbike …
@hermask815
Жыл бұрын
I enjoy this channel being mostly a public transport, bicyclist pedestrian.
@therwfer
Жыл бұрын
This motorcyclist needs more. He needs a motorcycle.
@sterlingroberts6240
Жыл бұрын
Well, maybe a bike.
@_Bryant.R
Жыл бұрын
@@sterlingroberts6240 multiple bikes.
Your production values are incredible. Matches with your vibe too. Love it. I’ve always ridden singles or twins. Riding a single right now around Pakistan and it’s doing the job well.
@grimmywizard
8 ай бұрын
My Bhai Karl is a motorhead as well. Namaste homie!
@AK-in3qm
7 ай бұрын
Bro is prolly riding a CD100
@bhushanjain2294
7 ай бұрын
CD 100 is the first bike that i rode
@KarlRock
7 ай бұрын
@@AK-in3qm Honda CB150. It’s more comfortable. But it barely handles mountain passes. It was great overall though.
@AK-in3qm
7 ай бұрын
@@KarlRock that's a great bike. I own a CB hornet 160
I’ve watched this video a dozen times and I believe he nails it at the end. The inline 6 is the point of diminishing return, thus leaving the inline 4 as the best configuration when all pros and cons are considered. This is probably why I like them so much. “However”… the type of motorcycle you choose is a personal preference. If I see you on the road, you’ll get a wave from me, no matter how many cylinders you’ve got.
@rylandpeters8982
3 ай бұрын
he said V4 actually not inline
@philburke1902
2 ай бұрын
Don't bother with your little wave. Just ride. No virtue signals needed.
@tadcranky6746
2 ай бұрын
I’ll wave back because I’m not a pr!ck
@jimthompson717
2 ай бұрын
I wave. Harley riders don't wave, because they would like crash.
@crc0889
2 ай бұрын
I wave as long at everyone on a bike bigger than a 125 cos you have to have SOME standards
There's another big advantage to a boxer engine, a 50% reduction in lower leg injuries in crashes. Those cylinders sticking out inadvertently provide some nice legs shielding
@Markbell73
9 ай бұрын
Yes, your legs will be nicely intact. And easy to shovel into the black bag. Because the rest of you was pulverized. You really thought you could outrun the last and Ultimate of the V8 Interceptors, did ya Toe Cutter?
@Markbell73
9 ай бұрын
Best scene in a movie ever. And that's whether you're a car nut, a motorcycle nut, or just an adrenaline fueled gearhead who likes it all. "She sucks nitro!" "600 horsepower through the wheels!" "The Blower man, the Blower!" Yes, you can hear the engine in your head. You're welcomed!
@maartenk7513
9 ай бұрын
True, BMW boxers land on de cilinder protectors and the side panniers.
@redblack8414
9 ай бұрын
@@mnurfirman9839 Just brilliant.
@guabiru
8 ай бұрын
protected and tanned legs
I have been fortunate enough to ride an online 6 once in my life. This was almost 20 years ago. I have never forgotten the experience. No other bike engine has ever come close. The way it delivers power is not like any other engine. Also the sound, straight pipe v twins are nothing more than a novelty when what your riding sounds like a literal formula 1 car from the 80s.
@donaldclinton1975
8 ай бұрын
Agree. Rode a CBX and that thing would really sing.
@mcross320
8 ай бұрын
Plus the feel of a large crank and small pistons was smooth and solid. An engine that begged to to used!@@donaldclinton1975
@BigAl53750
3 ай бұрын
I don’t LIKE the sound of a Formula 1 engine and I never have. Idling is bad enough, but at max revs, I’d rather have a beehive in my helmet! The idea that 7,000rpm is SLOW is the most ludicrous nonsense I’ve ever heard! The Vincent V-twins managed to achieve 120-150mph (depending on which one you’re on) at 6,000rpm in top gear. I don’t care whether it’s a car or a motorcycle, screaming engines are just bloody annoying. Like a mosquito in your ear at night.
@SludgedB
3 ай бұрын
That first sentence 😂
@bigd5899
Ай бұрын
@@BigAl53750 7000 rpm is kinda slow though these days. Nothing is making serious power with a redline like that unless its got a lot of displacement but then you end up with a bulky 200 pound engine which also sucks. Even the yamaha vmax where they didnt give a shit and gave it a 240 pound 1.7 liter revs to like 10.
I cant believe the BMW K1600 wasn't mentioned under the inline 6 section, one of my favorite engines of all time. 165 horse and its so smooth you could forget it was running if you had earplugs in, it looks like an old man bike but it will do wheelies at 75 MPH.
Man, it’s unbelievable how entertaining and easy to understand you can explain complex and difficult themes! Unbeatable quality of your videos 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
@babboon5764
Жыл бұрын
*I was just about to say that* 🙄 Looks like quite a lot of us agree with you too Hey! If FortNine does request wonder if there's any chance of the new superclean 2Strokes getting covered?
Ryan, your ability to take complex engineering and put it in layman's terms is unparalleled. Thanks for another fantastic videeo.
@tbqhwyf
Жыл бұрын
Ryan is an engineer himself!
@bikerbobcat
Жыл бұрын
Seriously. This is the level of communication I aspire to with my HVAC customers.
@nomad5176
Жыл бұрын
He is also good in making different kind of engine sounds.
So Moto Guzzi came up with the 45 degree HORIZONTAL V twin and for the first time in the entire history of the internal combustion engine, the world experienced perfect mechanical harmony. I am so glad to finally discover why I feel so happy every time I ride mine. Mystery of a lifetime solved.
@ericmandolesi9590
3 ай бұрын
Carlo Guzzi built the "ducati" L-shaped 90 deg V engine in the 50s, far before Ducati. Also he built a 8cylinders engine for racing, the fastest for that era (1955), on a bike named, iconicaly, V8 .
@Airtroops83
2 ай бұрын
The one on the mondello? I almost bought that bike but there was something really off about the engine that I just really hated. I've ridden bikes for 2 decades, and have always driven manual cars.. I havent stalled any vehicle for years, but I stalled that thing 4 times on the (admitedly long) test ride I took it for. The gear box was really clunky too, so I ended up not going for it even though I went into it with my heart really set on it. Absolutely gorgeous machine, but.. well like I said, something about it was just off
@ericmandolesi9590
2 ай бұрын
@@Airtroops83 are you talking about the V100 Mandello (2022)? I don't know, never tried it. To be honest I do love old bikes, the new ones are just a little bit to BMW designed properly. My little custom is 41 years old and never gave me a problem. Don't have much experience with recent models, but as said, I like old bikes.
@alwatson187
26 күн бұрын
I love my Guzzi as well and hate to be a nitpicker, but it's a 90 degree V, Harley is 45
@jamesfairmind2247
26 күн бұрын
@@alwatson187 Quite right, that is what I meant, I don't know why I said 45 degrees! I am a bit geometrically dyslectic!
As someone that’s owned Thumpers. Parallel twins, Vtwins , in-line 4’s and a V4. I think you nailed it! The VFR is the only bike I haven’t been able to get rid of. There’s just something I love about that motor…. The V4 is a great feeling motor and ride.
@XcelentTom.
4 ай бұрын
I completely agree. My second motorcycle is a VFR800F. It feels like a mistake striking gold so soon. Last year I did 13 testrides on all kinds of engines shown here. None came close to the V4 feeling, perhaps maybe the CP4. But that feels so wide.
@joelbrittenour8197
3 ай бұрын
Also honda made production v-4's first.@@XcelentTom.
GOAT CONTENT
@motoryzen
Жыл бұрын
Wtf? This is a motorcycle content involved channel...no animals were involved including goats.
@regisbagas784
Жыл бұрын
@@motoryzen GOAT is an abbreviation of: the Greatest of All Time
@motoryzen
Жыл бұрын
@@regisbagas784 ah..ok..makes sense.
@glifwsatti
Жыл бұрын
@@motoryzen millennials right?
@YyouTTubeE
Жыл бұрын
@@regisbagas784 GOAT means sheep
As a V4 rider, i approve this message. In seriousness though, this is the rare channel that makes consistently great content. Thanks
@JimmyTheBear
Жыл бұрын
i ride a 18 RSV4, amazing sound and power what v4 do you ride mate?
@yourwifesboyfriend6081
Жыл бұрын
@@JimmyTheBearThe RSV4 and Tuono have the best sounding motors of any bike. If only they weren’t so damn expensive!
@JimmyTheBear
Жыл бұрын
@@yourwifesboyfriend6081 I got it's for £12k GBP and for the track tech you get it's a steal.
@Opisthocoelicaudia2
Жыл бұрын
Have an ‘85 magna v65. Older?Yes. V4 perfection? Absolutely.
@iVisionX01
Жыл бұрын
I came after riding a VFR.
The sheer presence Ryan has is probably why no one notices misspelled horsepower in the formula.
@FortNine
Жыл бұрын
I spelled it wright. ~RF9
@pradhyudh
Жыл бұрын
U should always host in your channel,i hate the other guy
@apenneukende
Жыл бұрын
@@pradhyudh take it easy, boy.
@waterski32off
Жыл бұрын
@@FortNine Brothel humour 🤪
@kilian9448
Жыл бұрын
@@pradhyudh disagreed, I like both
Had a Harley, loved that V twin. Got a GT750J Suzuki and love that engine. I think I just love piston engines of all types.
@williamsenisi517
3 ай бұрын
Love my 2-stroke Water-cooled triple!
The early parallel twins ( mostly british ) were true parallel twins as the pistons rose and fell together. The 180 degree 'parallel twins' came later with the Japanese built motorcycles. A completely different sound and different vibration characteristics. Anyone who has ridden an old Triumph or BSA will know about the vibes and of course Norton rubber mounted their motors. The plus for a true parallel twin is more power but more vibration whereas the 180 degree ( so called ) parallel twin sounds ghastly and produces less power but is smoother. Nowadays the manufacturing process of so called parallel twins has evolved into a 270 degree crank- basically a V twin in parallel twin format which sounds cool, produces decent power and less vibe with balancer shafts fitted. The 270 crank was originally adopted by Australian racers who took a bolted up Triumph 6T crankshaft and basically undid the bolts on the flywheel to offset the crank 300 degree and then the modern Hinckley ( so called Triumph) factory adopted this idea which is now widely used. So there you have, many variations on the one true parallel twin.
Aside from an extremely comprehensive and understandable explanation of complex matters, I must point out one thing that makes your videos perfect - your speech. Highly intelligent, accurate, and funny. Music to my ears. Thank you, sir, for such amazing content!
@cascadian19
Жыл бұрын
Hear hear
@DUBZslayZOMBIES
Жыл бұрын
its like nails on a chalkboard to me.
@N269
11 ай бұрын
@@DUBZslayZOMBIES you can always turn off the volume and read the subtitles?
@M3ntalbug
6 ай бұрын
And highly intelligible! As a non native speaker, I appreciate that a lot.
Few channels on KZread can produce enough high quality content to enjoy the badge of "Never Disappoints" this is one of them, very very high at the top. Keep'em coming please.
Might be the best video i've ever seen on KZread... Entertaining, educational, and I feel like my knowledge of Physics, Maths, Engineering, and Economics have all been elevated immensely in 15 minutes. Bravo sir.
Best channel for people who love intricate details....really appreciate your content...so satisfying and leaves with a feeling of increased insight about the bike
My old university lecturer could tune a CBX so well, the test was to stand a 50 pence piece (UK) on it's side on top of the rocker cover, and the coin wouldn't move with the bike being revved to the red line, then he knew his job was done. It's a stunning engine, and he was an incredible man.
@FortNine
Жыл бұрын
Six cylinders are ticket machines! I had a straight six beemer for a while and there was zero haptic feedback that I was breaking the speed limit. Side note: this excuse doesn't hold up with police officers. ~RF9
@devisionhun
Жыл бұрын
@@FortNine the k1600 is both too expensive and way-WAY too powerful for me 😅 I now just admire them a bit more ❤
@mikes2381
Жыл бұрын
The sound of the CBX is utterly Amazing as well.
@cliff8675
Жыл бұрын
@@FortNine Ticket machines? Yes. But gloriously fun if you can convince your right wrist to behave in moderation.
@rvolberg
Жыл бұрын
I have owned two BMW K1600 GT’s (currently on my second one) and they are unbelievable engines with turbine like smoothness and phenomenal torque bands packaged in an incredible chassis. Feel like Ryan could have noted this… That there is a modern straight six that is an incredible experience to ride. Expensive though!!
I dont even have a motorcycle but i can appreciate how much effort Fortnine puts in each video. Very high quality stuff and entertaining.
@Daisudori
Жыл бұрын
same for me I watch all of em. One of the best on youtube.
@schofferbrothers3559
Жыл бұрын
Which isn't much because most theoretical points he makes is not true in the real world.
@holladiewaldfee212
Жыл бұрын
@@schofferbrothers3559 provide some details pls. what's not true and why?
Thanks for explanation, just bought VFR 800 2011, and already in love with V4 engine. What a feeling, the sound, the power and feel. Just perfect.
I know everything he talked about BUT I enjoyed every minute of it. Complex & difficult stuff (for a novice) well explained and beautifully packaged. I must watch more of his stuff . . .
I can barely imagine what a huge amount of time and work has been dedicated behind the scenes for every chapter. You've got a talent to explain hard to learn and harder to explain concepts in a truly simple way, and every presentation has been refined to perfection in order not to exceed the minimum extension required. SIMPLY AWESOME Ryan&Co. Greetings from Spain.
@FavioEnMoto
Жыл бұрын
Muy buena descripción, perfecta 👌
@user-h8k4jcxmfr
Жыл бұрын
I've watched some Fortnine videos (and have enjoyed them very much) but on this one the production was simply another level!
@Chrisnuzzo76
Жыл бұрын
Except he never men😢tioned the motor used by the most winning racer in history, the cross plane crank inline 4 of Valentino Rossi's Yamaha. That's unexceptable to not even mention it. The most unique motor there is.
You should do a video about tire pressure... why the manual recommendation is what it is, why people that race like to use a lower psi, why some people say that you should use a lower psi on the front than on the rear and vice versa... It's one of the motorcycle related topic that generates a lot of divergent opinions.
@FixingWithFriends
Жыл бұрын
That would be good to know. Probably one of those things that also has a lot of anecdotes and misinformation from over the years.
@dirtysquatch7036
Жыл бұрын
Dave moss tuning covered tire pressure
@renceileto1776
Жыл бұрын
Up for this
@badcommentbot8349
Жыл бұрын
Snore !
@81722Les
Жыл бұрын
Lol. Doode, just make your own content 😅
Production value and the simple yet clear explanation here is top notch. Very impressive video
Didn't realize my first bike in high school - 1993 Honda VFR750F - was such a special beast.
This 10 years ago would be a mainstream weekly show on every main TV channel, Off the Charts. ❤
I love all engines and I have owned nearly every type of engine. But I believe, at least once, every rider should experience an inline 4. It is pure magic to both the ears and soul. Downshifting twice, hamfisting the throttle, hearing the rpms sing to 9k+ as the front end lightens and you pass 3 cars on a back twisty road....is something every single rider should experience, even if only once. It is pure magic.
@x-man5056
10 ай бұрын
True. My first new bike was a Honda 350four. Ran harder than any 350 at the time (72ish), light and nimble, very smooth. I have a 270 twin now, the one he didn't explain. It's seems very smooth but not like an inline 4 cyl.
@SuperAdventureR1301
10 ай бұрын
The torque of a powerful V-twin is personally my favorite, but riding my friends S1000RR was just so obscenely smooth while overtaking at 250kmh+. No effort at all to get to that speed, and feels like your gliding through the air. I think the perfect pairing would be a V-twin for street and city riding, and an I4 for the country roads and race tracks.
@HighGear7445
10 ай бұрын
The only 1 cylinder I personally owned and liked was a 2 stroke, 4stroke singles sound like a single cyl lawn mower. I've had 2,3,and 4 cyl.also. I like the power pulses of a twin best. My 4's were likable with load exhausts. My 3 cylinder was a rocket 3 2300cc it with a more open exhaust sounds a bit like a diesel. I have a youtube on that .
@SzybkiPolonezGSI
10 ай бұрын
I have both 4 line 600cc yamaha fz6 and KTM 350cc 4 strone 1 cylinder. I love how different they are and how 4 line is the beast on street and KTM off road. Each type has its own destiny.
@x-man5056
10 ай бұрын
@@SzybkiPolonezGSI Makes perfect sense to me.
Thanks for mentioning the VFR. I had two, and now I know why I loved them so much!
Unbelievable content and delivery. Perfection. Well done.
Additional benefits of a single cylinder that I enjoy are the often significant weight savings and the ability to make narrow motorcycles so one can tuck their knees in closer to the bike.
@cangaroojack
7 ай бұрын
Also sound! A lot of people don't like it, but for me the deep regoular rumbling of a big thumper is just the best
@ronaldoleon48
6 ай бұрын
Sounds like a potato in my opinion 🤢
@cangaroojack
6 ай бұрын
@@ronaldoleon48 which engine sounds do you like?
@cypobos
6 ай бұрын
i ride a ktm 390 duke, and that low weight and not too thick profile feel lovely.
@jimii7357
5 ай бұрын
never heard of 2 strokes?@@ronaldoleon48
Guzzi turned the v-Twin sideways, solving both the length issue and the cooling problem (sticking the cylinders out into the airstream). Can't believe this wasn't mentioned, at least in passing, since those are the two "weaknesses" mentioned of that particular layout.
@tonypezzolo9432
Жыл бұрын
Same thought
@chickenleg675
Жыл бұрын
I was waiting for this too.
@gregorypenniston7742
Жыл бұрын
@@chickenleg675 Yep.
@WarriorsPhoto
Жыл бұрын
I thought that too. Probably because of video length. 😮😅
@CjHAnderson
Жыл бұрын
Couldn't agree more! It's also a design that has been in mass production for longer than the 6 or v4 layout (and is still in production).
Had the pleasure of fixing up 1994 Honda Magna 750 with the v4 for a buddy and it's definitely my all time favorite cruiser bike, it has the sound and feel of a sport bike when giving it the beans but it's also super comfortable for long rides, low on inherit vibrations, and has a fairly nimble feel to it for being a bigger bike. Will definitely be buying one soon since marketplace prices are dipping because of the winter season coming around!
@PedalStrapped
6 ай бұрын
I just picked up a 1999 Honda Magna and I got to agree its an absolutely charming motorcycle that doesnt need to be a big bike to move like one. Biggest complaint is the brakes and lack of tire selection but for under $3000 in perfect mechanical condition, It's got a lot more character than a lot of cruisers made during the last two decades for the sake of "staying in the market" by the manufactureres.
@markthompson7983
6 ай бұрын
Before you buy a Magna, consider the inherent cost. No other bike will ever measure up if you consider the comfort, power and speed combination. Since 1987 when I traded in my 650 Nighthawk for the "Super Magna", I have only owned Magnas( 4 at this point, one got hit, sold one for money and one, the wife wanted me alive to raise the kid). Sure, I've had fun riding friends inline 4 sport bikes. They are great stop light to stop light, but comfort, not so much; as well as living out some Easy Rider fantasy on a Harley, but speed and handling, haha. I've always come back to the "Mag" as my ride. So the current problem, what to do about the crappy brakes? The solution, figure out how upgrade the brakes on a $3500 used bike; or patiently wait.......for Honda to come out with a New Magna. I have chose to wait. Good Luck!
To this day. For me? The best video you guys ever did. Style and substance. Science and emotion. Explanation without tedium. Absolutely perfick.
A whole day of engine design & mechanics class in 15 minutes. Superbly done indeed!! By far the best MC channel on KZread.
So glad that you're releasing videos more frequently. Great work by the way! Favorite channel on KZread by far.
@bobirwin1028
Жыл бұрын
Yes, but who was the Ryan Impersonator in the last video? I was afraid that Ryan had sold the channel and that the April 1 Cheese and Wine video was not just an April Fool's joke, but was actaully a warning. Glad to see Ryan back in front of the camera.
@thatoneguyfromsweden
Жыл бұрын
@@bobirwin1028 The channel is doing really well. Eventually all businesses need to expand. New talent lets Ryan focus on other stuff and results in more videos for us all. I think that guy did a fine job. I'm sure the signature humor of Ryan will eventually rub off on the new guy or reflect on the script. No one is perfect right off the bat though. Looking forward to a bright Fortnine future ✊️
I really like all of your videos so far and as much as you prefer the v4, i'm happy that motorcycles aren't just about numbers and efficiency. I somehow appreciate all the variation that exists.
@WanderingDad
8 ай бұрын
Agreed. Motorcycles are as much about the internal journey as the external.
I can’t tell you how amazing I find this. I’ve watched it twice and it is so much good information in such a small package. Good job
This video has taught me more about motorcycle engines than my 20 years of experience in the motorcycle industry. Excellent video... 👌👌
This is a masterclass in presenting sufficient and juicy information with the right amount of entertainment to keep it from being boring. This is the first time I giggled watching a video on different engine configuration.
Fine work, Fortnine! Thank you very much.
I am gonna say it. This video is good enough and popular enough to merit a part 2 for the rest of the engines. Thank you fir the content ❤❤❤
Ryan did say he left some out, but he could have easily added a two second blurb on BMW’s wonderful inline six, the K1600 (I have two). Maybe six cylinders are unicorns in Canada, but boxer 6’s are plentiful here in the states, a la GoldWing since 1988. I do agree on the V-4. I have a Motus MST-R and a V4S Ducati Multistrada. Very engaging powerplants.
@FortNine
Жыл бұрын
Two K1600s, a Motus and a V4S? Please tell me you live somewhere near the border Bryan, that's an enviable collection! ~RF9
@Radioactivety
Жыл бұрын
I was thinking the same about the bmw k1600 and goldwings. I live in EU and there are plenty of bmw k1600 over here...
@billspinner6092
Жыл бұрын
Another voice in support of the K16 inline six, I also have two of those bikes. And also have an MST-R, which is probably the most engaging bike I've ever owned.
@warwickadams3946
Жыл бұрын
there was a good reason the K1600 was the international bike of the year when they were introduced...
@waynebrissette9459
Жыл бұрын
@@warwickadams3946 : the only downside to the K1600 was heft. I liked everything about my GTL except the weight.
As the owner of a '85 Magna VF500, I was selfishly waiting for the V4 praise. Never getting rid of that bike and can't wait to take her out this weekend for the first ride of the season ❤️
@connorjones1485
Жыл бұрын
Just took out my ‘83 venture for her first ride of the year last night. 80s Japanese bikes sure are hard to beat. So many great bikes.
@FortNine
Жыл бұрын
I've been trying to get a Magna v. Madura video together for a while now. Phenomenally interesting bikes, but kinda hard to find. ~RF9
@SAB-iq1kp
Жыл бұрын
@@FortNine easy to find in europe. Also its really easy to find a honda vfr1200x crosstourer 😀
@jlco
Жыл бұрын
@@FortNine Can't offer to go to Canada, but if you ever find yourself on the east side of the States wanting to make the Magna half of that video, let me know...
@mattsawat4317
Жыл бұрын
@@FortNine I've got a 1985 V45 Magna in Calgary I ride with only 6000kms on it, not sure if that would interest.
Absolutely impressive conveyance of knowledge! Great production. Clear passion! Love all your videos man!
Very interesting episode. Nice, unbiased presentation of the majority of engine designs with their pros & cons. 👍
I have ridden V-twins and for the last 30 years Boxer (BMW). I am an old fart, and not interested in dragging my knee around corners. I prefer the massive torque that pulls me out of a corner smartly and enough horsepower to blow any acura off the road on a straight line run (proven empirically). I understand the young preferring the screamers. I would too if I were 40 years younger. Each bike engine, as you said, has its appeal and its eveil "twin". Great video. Thank you.
@mediocreman2
11 ай бұрын
I would sure hope a motorcycle could beat an SUV.
@FixingWithFriends
11 ай бұрын
I would take any well designed engine, as long as it's in a cruiser. (Which is also the only reason I haven't bought a Zero)
@RDJ1SS
10 ай бұрын
Wanted a boxer ever since BMW brought out the R9T, I just liked the way it looked
@jerbear7952
9 ай бұрын
If you really want to convince me I'm going to need to borrow your bike.
I have a boxer. I'll see myself out. That inline six sound is amazing. Reminds me of 90's Formula 1 motors. Thank you for the great video.
@JonR_1138
Жыл бұрын
I love my Goldwing.
@xPablo1376
Жыл бұрын
I feel personally attacked
@NONO-hz4vo
Жыл бұрын
Did Melissa Aa steal your comment? Looks like a bot is hijacking peoples comments.
@sssxxxttt
Жыл бұрын
Also a boxer aficionado. There's a reason Jaguars and BMWs are popular cars. But for even torque cycling or an electric drive train beats all
@ryanking4559
Жыл бұрын
Boxer boy here too.... They are just too cool for school...
Clean, simplified unboring explanatory seminar. I loved it.
I've always been a single cylinder rider as I tend to do some off road with a little bit on tarmac. Also as a beginner mechanic, a single is very easy to manage and as you say, can't hide too many issues under the skin. Did have a quick ride of a relative's Ducati Multistrada V4 and that was a scary and special experience. The power and the cost had me on edge but it was so smooth and civilised.
The most logical explanation I’ve ever seen. But even after this explanation, I can’t shake my love for the triples, they sound like nothing else and have a great balance of power and torque. ST3 Here I come 😅
@roscoeskipper7846
Жыл бұрын
You do know the Ducati ST3 isn’t a triple, right?
@aviduke
Жыл бұрын
triumph street triple
@_sneer_
Жыл бұрын
Ducati ST3? A l-twin?
@MrSlacker250
Жыл бұрын
Ryan saying triples are full of vibration is funny to me given how many owners of Triumph Tigers (myself included) say it's the smoothest engine and motorcycle they've ever ridden....
@wallacegrommet9343
Жыл бұрын
My boat has a three cylinder inline diesel engine, only one liter, and at full revs it sounds like a happy god singing
The tiny sounds and sound effects are always so funny and much appreciated. Thank you, Ryan + Co! :D
As an absolute mechanical amateur (read = total ignoramus), but motorcycle enthusiast, I find your videos to be intoxicatingly simple, straight-forward, and endlessly fascinating. Please keep uploading these for the great unwashed. I need to go figure out which end of the screwdriver to use now...
I could watch this again and again for its educational and humour content. Absolutely fantastic.
Best motorcycle channel in KZread, mixing knowledge, entertainment and recording/editting skills. Awesome as always my Canadian fellows!!
@scratastic1
Жыл бұрын
I'll up that and claim best motorcycle media ever
@youtubeaccount5153
Жыл бұрын
Have you seen his cooking video? Best general channel on KZread. Period. 😂😂😂
@Norte92
Жыл бұрын
@@youtubeaccount5153 yes I have! hahaha Wouldn't miss it for anything!
What a great video. Great Lighting Great Sound Effecs Great Cinematic shots LOVED IT
Man I'm glad this channel is still makin' bangers.
Boxers are not DUMB, they are iconic! 🤣 Thanks for another superb video. The depth of knowledge that you provide is much appreciated.
@brianm5637
Жыл бұрын
They are dumb and iconic. It’s easy to appreciate them after a long day on the bike eating up highway miles, probably not so great on the track.
@davelowets
Жыл бұрын
They are dumb, unless you like dragging your jugs on the ground around spirited corners.
@tina11ys
Жыл бұрын
Sounds like a subaru fanboy😂
@Savantjazzcollective
Жыл бұрын
@@tina11ys or Porsche fanboy, but they are the best Idea for cruising. Imo
@FixingWithFriends
Жыл бұрын
I like a flat-6, but that asymmetrical cylinder keeps me up at night (it's 3AM).
0:00 - Intro 0:14 - Single Cylinder 2:28 - V-Twins 4:39 - Inline Twins 6:12 - Boxer Twins 7:37 - Inline Triple 9:15 - Inline Four (Screamers) 11:15 - Inline Six 12:20 - V4's 12:45 - Conclusion 14:40 - Outro
@AuRowe
Жыл бұрын
Thanks. Commenting for reference to this
@analyticalhabitrails9857
Жыл бұрын
Thank as well.
@basedbane787
Жыл бұрын
Thanks king
@josephschultz
Жыл бұрын
many thanks but you forget to add the Whorespower reference at 8:37 Have I been mispronouncing it wrong my whole life🤔😓 Love FortNine's humor along with real knowledge
@vishwanathstorm
Жыл бұрын
Thank you for this
Real nice explanations of the pros and cons of engine designs, including an easy to understand reason for the 2nd imbalance of 4 cyl engines🙂
I won't argue with your well informed analysis; but, i just love the sound and feel of my parallel twin.
Your videos are a gift to the motorcycle community and beyond. Please never stop making content!!
“Boxers are stupid”. *Refuses to elaborate* -RF9 Brother 😂😂😂 thank you for the content as usual!
@Brgnalf81
Жыл бұрын
He did elaborate. Wide and in a bike it can scrape the road. Simple, useless.
@thomasxl200
Жыл бұрын
@@Brgnalf81 on the old Airheads you scraped the pegs first at a pretty solid 45 degree angle (unless you modified the suspension) but you look at monstrosities like the R18 and wonder what the hell BMW were thinking... I love my big boxer though, the old racers I've met on my journey would showcase their scraped valve covers as a badge of pride and always had some wild stories.
@Brgnalf81
Жыл бұрын
@@thomasxl200 nah, my cylinders are still young and haven't sagged. Keine Hänge-Titten.
@citylumberjack9169
Жыл бұрын
@@thomasxl200 Yeah, the R18 has basically no lean angle. But even my R1200C will lean SOME ... not like a sports bike assuredly, but enough to outcorner any other typical cruiser or standard around.
@explorationsevo
Жыл бұрын
as the owner of the bike in the video... i can confirm... they are stupid! haha, but I love the boxer all the same!
This is honestly peak youtube content. Super high quality video.
Brother u r the only one person in the world that i know who is unique and have vast knowledge about motorcycle.. Love u from heart
I’ve had a couple of BMW RT’s which of course have the boxer twin. If you’re scraping those cylinders in a corner, you’re dragging your pannier and you should be on a track not the road. Boxers are odd looking, I’ll admit, but their low center of gravity and exposed heads for maintenance still make it one of my favorites.
@OnPointFirearms
Жыл бұрын
Exposed heads for maintenance is a huge pro.
@benjabin6729
Жыл бұрын
They're my favourite too. not for any reason in particular i just think it's neat
@SuperSnallygaster
Жыл бұрын
Love the boxer in my GS. Makes perfect sense on that bike.
@redbull8661
Жыл бұрын
I agree, I have thought about switching to the K1600 though.
@joeshmoe7967
Жыл бұрын
I don't ride one, but do ride with guys that own them. They bang corners pretty good all day. Plenty enough clearance for robust riding, no doubt. - Cheers
After riding a new K1600 with it’s inline-6, I can totally see how it’s perfection if it wasn’t so wide. Top-tier content as usual!
@Fred-eg9sx
Жыл бұрын
I got the K1600 over the goldwing precisely because of its width. It blocks the wind off my legs when I ride in Canadian winter.
@nelsonphilip4520
Жыл бұрын
The K-1600 is a tour de force. It is noteworthy that BMW seemingly went backwards with the development of the air-cooled boxer type R-18 series.
@Lianpe98
Жыл бұрын
are there any motorcycles with a VR6?
@RogerGoltz
Жыл бұрын
According to BMW, the K1600 engine is only 2.6 inches wider than the 4 in the K1300. I did by one and they are awesome.
@BlackRiverRider
Жыл бұрын
Yeah it’s width really didn’t bother me, but I could see how it would for some people. I personally like their boxer engines the most because of the lower center of gravity and those things are ridiculously wide haha.
that was great Bart! V4's all the way! wish there were more of them commercially available, best motor I ever experienced.
Brilliant, quality content man. Appreciate you.
I think vibration in most motorbike engines is overstated, I’ve owned singles, fours and triples that had little or no intrusive vibration.😊
@djj2343
11 ай бұрын
You don't ride the engine you feel it .. what you don't know won't hurt ! This is what happens when KZread owns your life .
@OfficialChrissums
9 ай бұрын
I ride a shadow 600 which is a notoriously rumbly V-Twin bike. Its small HP and 4 gear setup makes it shake like a paint shaker between 120-140 km/h and then it smoothes out once it tops off at 150. Absolutely bizarre ride but it has a really ramshackle vintage feel that you dont get much on Hondas because they tend to be so smoothly built. Makes long distance riding feel like a workout which you will either like or hate depending on how modern and smooth you like your bike to feel.
@TrevorAchtymichuk-kb3vb
8 ай бұрын
Lol well maybe your hand are numb usually lol nice comment im trying to to judge your lack of thinking
@TrevorAchtymichuk-kb3vb
8 ай бұрын
Hands*
@mishlen4325
8 ай бұрын
I used to own yamaha mt03 660 single cylinder, that thing sounded like a jackhammer and sure felt like one too, I was getting numb butt on any ride longer than 1 hour
Well, i have the exact 3 cylinder bike shown here. And i can say, the xsr900 and the cp3 deserved more love. This engines are really the sweet spot for street nowadays. It has torque down low like a v twin, and explodes high with horsepower over 9000rpm, like 4 banger. It's scary fast, but not enough to make you nervous and lose track of space. And shits aside, sound like a gt3rs at high rpm... I know it's unbalanced, but it puts a smile on my face. Every. Single. Ride. As far as i'm concerned, the CP3 is good, very good.
@someguyontheinternet7165
10 ай бұрын
The CP3 is a masterpiece. Hooligans who want spontaneous speed think they want in-line 4’s because they’re race track fast, but on the street they require a couple downshifts which create a delay that sucks away satisfaction. They’re a thrilling engine architecture but not a playful one. The CP3 by contrast acts like an already spooled up in-line 4 at every rpm. It just wants to go and lets you be an impulsive idiot and romp around having the absolute most fun possible at any given moment. If instant gratification is a drug then the CP3 is dealing the good stuff. It might not be perfect or the most impressive on a spec sheet but it’s the most fun engine I’ve come across on two wheels.
@cosmic_gate476
9 ай бұрын
I agree lol you can't beat having the sound of a 6 cylinder car on a bike...except it revs to 10k+
@HeavenAintClose
9 ай бұрын
The XSR is gorgeous. I wish Yamaha sold more bikes with the heritage style blue they used on it. As opposed to the 'Icon Blue' my MT has.
@thomasheer825
9 ай бұрын
Had a K75RT BMW and it was smooth as hell and lasted forever with only routine maint. Sold it to a buddy and he also rode the hell out of it and it is still going, with over 200k on the clock. Found that it was not that uncommon to see one of these make 500k before needing any major repairs. Yes I screwed up by letting it go.
@davidwales9657
8 ай бұрын
3 cyls got ripped off in this video. My 675 street triple is glorious
Great job at keeping us gearheads captivated 100 percent of the time with fantastic info
I had the single, inline 4, triple and are now at the V2, they’re all great. That was a good video!
This is by far one of your best. Brought back some memories too, majored in Automotive Engineering way back, but they never summarized it this well and in such a short period of time. Bravo! 👏👏👏
@johnalogue9832
Жыл бұрын
These sorts of comments (are one of many factors that) make me genuinely doubt the university system
@bmxannouncer
Жыл бұрын
I totally agree with Pierre. I learned so much from this video and I effing love Ryan F9 🤘🏼🔥
An old BMW R bike was what I learned to ride on, and work on engines with. Boxers will always have a place in my garage.
@explorationsevo
Жыл бұрын
hell yeah I love the way they build power and revs... fun at any speed!
@SenorGato237
Жыл бұрын
@@explorationsevo They may not be objectively the best, but how many people ride objectively?
To a perfect video an explanation of single cylinder maximum piston diameter. However probably the best video i've ever seen on engine basics specs. My genuine compliments to you FortNine team.
This channel is just perfect. Quality content, amazing production and a lot of dad jokes. Big fan from Brazil!
@galerinha
Ай бұрын
Queria que tivesse alguém desse estilo no brasil. Mas só temos vlogers e canais de notícias sensacionalistas e cheio de clickbaits.
Moto Guzzi's way of doing a vee engine is pretty elegant. A very simple air cooled engine without cooling issues, cornering clearance issues like a boxer, or packaging problems.
@lnk4328
Жыл бұрын
Indian never gets credit for inventing this design. The Indian 841 was developed for WWII desert warfare in 1941, but lost out to the Jeep.
@chrissunde1104
Жыл бұрын
I agree, the Guzzi design is an elegant solution for packaging, cooling, weight distribution and cornering clearance.
@lauriepullman3873
Жыл бұрын
It introduces a nasty thing called angular momentum to the equation without really solving anything but the space issue. Transverse Vs like to turn one way more than the other and want to lean left or right under power and braking.
@michaelreid2329
Жыл бұрын
As do Beemers. I had one of the little 650s and it was a pig to ride in heavy traffic. Blipping the throttle whilst lane splitting was an unmitigated disaster.
@lauriepullman3873
Жыл бұрын
@@michaelreid2329 Oh yeah. Anything where the crank is in line with frame will be like that.
i love the boxer engines. it's the low centre of gravity and the feeling when you go around a curve
I can always count on RyanF9 to explain mechanical topics in such an entertaining AND educational way. Thank you!
14: 09 . . . "Boxers are dumb." OMG, I almost spit my coffee. Classic Ryan.
I think you forgot the most obvious benefit of singles. Their low weight, which is much more benefitial in dirtbikes than high weight high power engines. Also, i think your DR 650 sounded pretty sick. Great video anyway, excellent explanations as always. Thanks!
@Julko88
11 ай бұрын
Also like the single behave and sound. Love mine bmw 650 bang bang bang on a secondary type of road on the mountain scenery. But pain in the left hand because of cluch is also what need to be liked ;D
@jclark1693
11 ай бұрын
Having owned singles and small twins, I have to say that’s also a benefit to the parallel twin in small engine applications, and it’s easier to get a small twin to rev higher allowing it to make good power for its size…but only high up in the rev range. So singles are great for torque in a small application and twins are good for HP.
I'm loving the increased frequency of posts. Intrigued on your thoughts about the Guzzi longitudinal V-Twin.- It solves the problem of the Boxer's width and the V-twin's space/heat issue.
@williamdinisco8081
Жыл бұрын
Yeah I was anticipating something about the CX500/CX650 family
@aussiebloke609
Жыл бұрын
I wonder how torque reaction affects things. Does the lean angle change much depending on whether you're accelerating or decelerating?
@killorbytes
Жыл бұрын
@@aussiebloke609 Are you referring to lean angle of the bike when accel/decel?
@rslover65
Жыл бұрын
@@aussiebloke609 I rode a cx500 all through college. I can't say it had any real effect on lean angle.
@aussiebloke609
Жыл бұрын
@@rslover65 Thanks, mate. I've never ridden a CX, but one hears stories, especially about the CX500 turbo. 👍
The transitions, audio, cinematography, editing, EVERYTHING about this channel is fucking TOP TIER. Literally better than big budget corporation productions. Unreal bro.
I absolutely love the steller variety of bikes on this channel.
I've ridden bikes with all the engine types you talked about. V-twins will always be my favorite due to their low end tourque and sound. Glad there's a motor for everyone to call their favorite.
FortNine's content has never failed to be interesting, arguably the best motorcycle content creator in my opinion just for the sheer unadulterated amount of knowledge he drops in such short amounts of time. And the fact that he can make what some would argue to be dry information so palatable is incredible.
@redblack8414
10 ай бұрын
I totally agree.
@tomtemple69
9 ай бұрын
No one matches the cinematography in fortnine videos(not this one specifically)
@markvandermeulen1612
6 ай бұрын
Peak information density
@12:12 as someone that's whole collection is v4s with the exception of my race bike, I appreciate you covering them
That is some amazing insight into engines. Brilliant content!!!
As an owner of an RE Bullet 500 (single), a Ural Gear-up (boxer) and a tiger 1200 (triple) -- I must say I love the unique character of these bikes. As an fellow engineer - I embrace their imperfections!
Somehow F9's editing keeps getting better. You guys are a bottomless well of creativity. This subject would've made for an extremely stale video on any other channel.
@esmokah
Жыл бұрын
I appreciate the f9 crew for putting out these videos. They make my whole day.
This was the best explanation of types of engines in a motorcycle, very easily explained
fantastic video, thanks for that !
I asked for a DR650, I got a DR650. I asked for Ryan's Return, He returned. Best. Channel. Ever.
Boxer: fueled by the tears of engineers 😂 brilliant as always
@citylumberjack9169
Жыл бұрын
As an engineer who rides an R1200C ... yes, yes they are.
@kevinmobile
Жыл бұрын
@@citylumberjack9169 Also if you compare a boxer of the same capacity to say an in-line 4, I would argue that punchy low down torque in every-day riding is arguably more desirable.
Great content mate, keep it up :)
You are the best. Explanation is so easy to understand.❤❤❤🎉🎉
Always enjoy Ryan and the F9 videos. “Boxers are dumb”, I enjoy my BMW R18, limited cornering clearance, 800+ lbs and all!
@redblack8414
10 ай бұрын
BMW R 18. Great bike.
@TheGr3atMilenko
9 ай бұрын
I have a 1250 GSA and I've never come close to scraping. If I'm leaning that far, I'm probably falling over. Not everyone is trying to get into a yoga pose and drag knee around the track. For me, it's the right combination of power and torque. Love my GSA
@ThiefOfNavarre
8 ай бұрын
But when you get off it you can admire how pretty it is. Never short of comments I bet!