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@Yui2Aku

4 ай бұрын

Don't worry, it made sense lmao. We love references to Greek mythology

@WarsunGames

4 ай бұрын

The Raiden Shogun isn't gay she has a son.

@stellarmelody2784

4 ай бұрын

4:49 god of freedom, contract, eternity, wisdom, justice, war, charity or love??

@SolarLight-wc8py

4 ай бұрын

@@WarsunGamesI know but let the shippers enjoy their head canon, okay?

@mariabasile9961

4 ай бұрын

​@@WarsunGamesRegardless of whether your first statement is true or false. The second statement is completely illogical amd irrelevant. There are many ways that gay people can have kids;such as surrogacy and adoption. And in the case of Raiden shogun, her "son" is an artificial construct, and there's no evidence to suggest that a puppets' creation involved normal sexual reproduction. At most it may have involved the use of Raiden's genetic material. Also, by that logic, the shogun is both her and her daughter.

E you gotta stop cuz this amount of cooking should be illegal

@Plan_Freddy

4 ай бұрын

E should open a restaurant already

@ColieSilo

4 ай бұрын

How is this 10 hours old when the video is 2

@velvetdemise6

4 ай бұрын

Xiangling levels of cookery

@SolarLight-wc8py

4 ай бұрын

This didn't prove anything. Like yeah it is based on Gnosticism and stuff but nothing proves that genshin is anti religious

@poco_arigatto

4 ай бұрын

How is this "1day ago" while the is 17 hours????

I’ve always thought that Genshin was extremely critical of religion, how flawed the archons and other “gods” in the game are, unlike portrayals of gods in modern religion being perfect and without flaws. Their gnosis doesn’t really grant them powers either. It just connects them to celestia. And the portrayal of celestia as the most divine being, and the hints of how f*cked up celestia seems to be is all extremely interesting.

@Suited_Nat

4 ай бұрын

I agree!

@piereandreturner2818

4 ай бұрын

It's not that they're critical of religion. The Genshin religion is essentially based on a combination of Chinese belief systems and ancient mythology. Like, do you know how Zeus became the King of God? Have you heard about Lei Gong, the God of Thunder in Chinese folk religion and Taoism, who is tasked by the Jade Emperor to punish humans guilty of secret crimes and evil spirits who harm human beings, and his story of mistakenly killing an innocent woman? There's also Buddhism, with a lot of demons turned gods. There's Dakini-ten, who is a demon-turned goddess of bountiful harvest in Japanese Buddhism. There's also Guizimo (shén) or Kishimojin, who is a female demon of misery and unhappiness towards children and parents but later becomes a protector god of children and mother in both Chinese and Japanese Buddhism.

@piereandreturner2818

4 ай бұрын

From what I know, God being all perfect and omnipotence without any flawed is an idea unique to Abrahamic religion.

@kotarouinugami1745

4 ай бұрын

The gnosis is complicated. As a relic of the Third Descender, it does have powers of its own. And it looks like it connects Archons to the Throne of their element in Celestia. But a lot of godlike things Archons do, they do without the Gnosis. It seems Venti is the only one who really depended on his Gnosis. While that fight between Raiden Ei and Orobashi was done without the Gnosis. Ei is just that good at martial arts. And she probably was really angry about Orobashi eating one of her friends.

@kyuiis

3 ай бұрын

Then again, the gods we meet are named after the Ars Goetia Demons. So are they really “Gods”?

each of e's videos make me further believe that she was an ex hoyo dev and as revenge shes leaking the plot of genshin

@decidueyefan3844

4 ай бұрын

new headcanon unlocked

@SolarLight-wc8py

4 ай бұрын

Head canon is spilling out too much you gotta hold it.

@The_Real_Prinzessin

4 ай бұрын

no, yeah i do think you're right.

@katsucandy

4 ай бұрын

e astral projected to the writers' work room and read their lore bible

@starpeep5769

4 ай бұрын

She wanted one of her ships to just get married and they fired herrr😭😭😭😭

Bro cooked, served, ate, and left no crumbs

"Humans are capable on their own" And then we remember how random npcs just tremble in front of a single slime and wail for help............

@rushalias8511

3 ай бұрын

Let's not forget that sometimes when left alone, humans do more harm than good

@kaitogirldraws

3 ай бұрын

@@rushalias8511 Absolutely, just look at the sumeru world quest......

@rushalias8511

3 ай бұрын

@kaitogirldraws I mean ...almost all quests even archon quests have dastardly humans in then.

@silverhawkscape2677

2 ай бұрын

Dont forget the Implication Khearian likely caused a Disaster so bad 500 year ago they were effectively erased from Existence. Thing was. kheanriah was Ignored by the Archons and Celestia so they were effectuvely free from them...

**looks at how many times I have put religious themes into my fanfictions** Yep, this is gonna be good

@eeeeeeee57478

4 ай бұрын

Real

@catdownthestreet

4 ай бұрын

Drop the fics, I'll read them... _religiously_

@ShelbyLikesStuff

4 ай бұрын

@@catdownthestreet the most genuine apologies… I value my little dignity

@catdownthestreet

4 ай бұрын

@@ShelbyLikesStuff figured you'd say that, no worries lol

@ShelbyLikesStuff

4 ай бұрын

@@catdownthestreet thank you for understanding the pain of someone who write fanfiction and posts it on a site where the stuff is either brilliant and could pass as a decently made novel or is so bad that it cannot even be generated by AI (if you didn’t figure it out I’m an AO3 author, I have a one shot that heavily implies that a character is corrupt and like a cult leader. I also have a very early in progress where the title directly references the name of a Bible verse that was meant be the actual name instead of the main character of the fanfiction’s name. I had the thought “I get I’m Christian but I’m not that Christian… would I get cancelled for this?” so now I’m bordering on keeping the title as is or making it directly quote that verse. Like “If you’re wondering where the name look at a Christian Bible and look for the verse John 3:33!” which makes me laugh too much! SORRY FOR GETTING OFF TOPIC PRETENT LIKE THIS SECTION ISN’T HERE AND IT’LL SOUND KINDA COHERENT!) which is amusing to say the least! But thank you for understanding!

I agree with a lot of your points, but I want to say that while Genshin takes so many inspirations from diverse set of cultures and ancient religions, most of them from the West (i.e. Gnosticism), Genshin is still made by the Chinese and East Asians have a different perspective and understanding on Gods and religion. Sure, the game has borrowed cultures, folklores, and ancient religious stories for naming their characters and creating plot lines, but as you have said, the God figures are not all-knowing and all-powerful. That's because the idea of a God being all-knowing and all-powerful figure that imposes rules and promises to save the people if they are following the said God is a very Western perspective on divinity and religion. In the major Asian religions, their Gods do not lead people, instead the people see their Gods as an example that they may follow. That is why in Asia, spirituality revolves around self-reflection and the goal of reaching enlightenment. It is very intrapersonal compared to the interpersonal values of Western religions. We see this theme a lot of plot lines in Genshin, especially from the Archons who would either question what they stand for (venti, zhongli, ei) or encounter a challenge against what they stand for (nahida and furina), and that involves a lot of reflection upon one's values and beliefs. I hope I am coherent in this comment. It is 5am and I tried hard to remember all the points I learned from my World Religions and Mythology & Folklore courses.

@arnowisp6244

4 ай бұрын

Exactly.

@catdownthestreet

4 ай бұрын

Oh that's such a cool and interesting take. I feel like there's more to it but your 5am rambling is so fascinating and I love that you also study mythology and folklore! I'm gonna ponder this a bit for my own theorycrafting purposes

@piereandreturner2818

4 ай бұрын

Yeah, I agree with you. If you just look at the many deities in Chinese worship, you'll realize how flawed they are, like Lei Gong, the Chinese God of Thunder in Chinese folk religion and Taoism, whose duty it is to punish humans guilty of secret crimes and evil spirits who harm human beings. In one story, he punished an innocent woman to death. It was said that the Jade Emperor was furious that he wrongly killed an innocent person again. The Jade Emperor revived the woman he just wrongly killed as the lightning goddess, and as his consort, his punishment is to take care of her properly while she will oversee and help him punish others. That woman, Dianmu, will shine lightning using her special mirror so that Leigong will be able to see where he needs to direct his thunder and won't kill an innocent person again. There's also Buddhism with a lot of demon-turned-gods like Dakini-ten, who is a demon-turned goddess of bountiful harvest in Japanese Buddhism. There's also Guizimo (shén) or Kishimojin, who is often recognized as a female demon of misery and unhappiness towards children and parents but later becomes a protector deity of children and a mother in both Chinese and Japanese Buddhism.

YK HOW YOU SAID "either 7 or 12" 7 is the number of archons, but isn't the number of fatui harbingers 12???? They're not portrayed as gods in the story, but some of them have LITERALLY tried to turn into a god.

@emery120

4 ай бұрын

Yes they are twelve, the 11 Harbigers plus The Director of the Harbingers (number 0)!

@Hinoirocks

4 ай бұрын

So, one of the big things about gnosticism is that things emanate thoroughout creation In similar ways. Its how even yaldabaoth's creations have some spark of divinity in them. So it makes sense to have the fatui as a sort of inverse archon hood. Of course, they could've deliberately done that. As above, so below.

@Angie_lol

4 ай бұрын

Numbers are like one of the few things that’s so important, no. 3, 4, 7, 11, 12 are very important My fav is that no. 4 since it’s a bad luck number in china, but the traveler is the 4th descender, in the 4th samsara cycle in teyvat, so its possible the traveler is going to be the reason the 4th cycle is going to be no more and will be the final outsider to be considered a “descender”

@SolarLight-wc8py

4 ай бұрын

@@Angie_lol good theory! I never noticed!

@Lotan_

4 ай бұрын

@@Angie_lol Flashbacks to that one Melusine who says she sees "a monster ready to swallow the world" when she looks at the Traveller.

There also seems to be a theme in Liyue(and maybe other nations idk) of tradition and progressiveness. It seems to settle that you should respect tradition while also welcome progressiveness. Keqing is the prime example of this, going from strictly thing they don’t need Gods or Adepti at all to holding respect and admiration towards them. Xingqiu upholds a dying martial art form while he also struggles with being an heir to his family’s long standing business and secretly writes light novels. Chongyun, Yunjin, and Hu Tao are young and talented people who hold up traditions. Zhongli himself has witnessed all of Liyue’s history and talks much about it all while still contently living and welcoming modern day Liyue.

@catdownthestreet

4 ай бұрын

Oh that's fascinating. I'll keep an eye out for more relating to that theme.

@gingervald8601

4 ай бұрын

Yeah Genshin is really big on showing the connection between religion and culture. While it questions the authority of religion the game doesn't have any issue with the culture that forms around religions. Jean in Mondstat knows Barabatos is a drunken mess of a bard, but still offers prayers to him anyways. Venti's values are deeply woven into the culture and traditions of Mondstat and that's treated as a positive. Over in Sumeru the first thing they do to make us dislike the grand Sage is that they're suppressing a religious festival. The game really seems to get that for most people religion is a community and cultural touchstone more than it's a belief system.

@silverhawkscape2677

2 ай бұрын

Correction. They hold up Traditions while keeping up with the times.

We can take a look at what Nabu Malikata(the Goddess of Flowers) said to King Deshret. (Text from Wilting Feast of the "Flower of Paradise Lost" artifact). "You seek but to chain the winds. Upon the tombstone of divinity shall humanity become the god of gods." "Such a carefree dream was certain to be unmade. In ruins where lies are sundered, humanity will become the king of kings."

@ziebus904

4 ай бұрын

I was waiting for this line

@catdownthestreet

4 ай бұрын

Oop, that's so cool. The Flower of Paradise Lost artifact set is such a huge lore drop. Also considering that we know artifacts are the crystalization of memories found in the Ley Lines, it's quite possible that those are literally the memories of the Goddess of Flowers herself.

this is so ashikai core, ie. well researched and gripping analysis. (highest compliment)

@ArgoBargo

4 ай бұрын

I want them to collab so bad

@oifelix2371

4 ай бұрын

E and ashikai collab when????

@catdownthestreet

4 ай бұрын

Ergh I totally agree with you guys. That would be so cool

I'm surprised that you didn't talk about visions and the idea that they're only given to those with the potential to challenge Celestia

@catdownthestreet

4 ай бұрын

Oh? Didn't know that. Could you tell me where you heard that from? I don't mind if it's a fan theory or something mentioned in lore. Also, somewhere in the lore the fan theory that Visions are, well, the vision of Celestia through which they watch humanity, is confirmed. I think it's mentioned in a loading screen line and expanded on in Nahida's voicelines.

@Yue_mariin00

4 ай бұрын

actually celestia benefits from the vision holders remember? they're getting something back for each vision holder, that's why they're handing them out. Otherwise they would not be powering up the peoople who could "challenge" them

@sagebuttercrunch

4 ай бұрын

That's what I meant though I might not have fraised it the right way

@dellahcarroway477

4 ай бұрын

I was waiting for that too but it prob another video on its own XD

@klee8846

4 ай бұрын

​@@catdownthestreetin the genshin impact manga, when Venessa ascended to Celestia, it's inside is like a panopticon. A panopticon is a prison with a surveillance tower in the middle allowing for the warden to watch everyone in the prison. So it is theorized that visions are granted by Celestia to keep close watch at the people with potential to overthrow Celestia. This is also backed up by the gods like Ei that didnt know why there is no Electro Visions granted during the Sakoku Decree. The visions also act as a limiter. You don't need to pursue higher forms of knowledge/existence cause you will rely on your vision. It is also confirmed through adeptis that it's possible to gain powers without the aid of the gods (ex: Xianyun, Xiao, Shenhe, etc.) This is why even though Yakshas and Adeptis are powerful, they are still granted a vision. They are only granted visions to stop them from exceeding mortality. It is further confirmed that visions, and gnoses are surveillance to celestia. This is why Focalors have to destroy the throne of the Hydro Archon to sever that link so that Neuvillette will gain back his powers and undo the curse of the Fontainians through his sovereignty, so that the people of Fontaine won't die.

Be like Ei: Gay and unable to cope

@alexoceanmeow

4 ай бұрын

Probably why I like Ei so much is this lol. She's just like me for real (except I run nothing lmao)

@Shinoot

4 ай бұрын

Mood

@SolarLight-wc8py

4 ай бұрын

Not canon tag BTW*

@Salvage5681

4 ай бұрын

@@SolarLight-wc8pyHoyoverse literally can't make it canon because of China's homophobic censorship laws, hinting and subtext is as far as they can go

@no-kx6ld

4 ай бұрын

Be like Venti: Gay and able to cope plus Femboy

5:16 singular is gnosis, plural is gnoses, also gnoses enhance the archons power and connects them with celestia, they do not give the archons their power. edit) it has been confirmed by hoyoverse that all of their games are connected to each other

@quortazan2914

4 ай бұрын

archons don't have power from themself but from dragons

@Tera_ExiceTance

3 ай бұрын

@@quortazan2914 while yes, most of the archons power comes from the dragons authorities, they also have a baseline power, which is what they used in the archon war before the authorities were awarded to the seven.

@erdenesaikhanamgalanhyiag8351

2 ай бұрын

@@quortazan2914 even without the dragons power they all individually powerful enough to be a national threat

As a Christian I love Genshin Impact, I'm even working on a speedpaint/commentary series where i tackle each Archon, their ideal, and how the relate back to God Almighty. Venti's freedom and God's Free will, as well as how Venti is tied to Moses with being a prophet/storyteller. Zhongli's contracts and the covenants and promises God makes. Ei's eternity and how God is not easily understood or known and hiw he has long term plans. Nahida's wisdom and the wisdom and knowledge if God, Nahida is also very self sacrificial and is very loving of her people despite how they cast her away a lot like how God is always there for us. And Furina and Focalor is literally Jesus

@luxray575

4 ай бұрын

Wow that's a really interesting way to see it. I'm Christian too and I loved these references on Furina's archon quest. The other ones I didn't notice but you putting it like this makes sense too

@Paimon_food853

4 ай бұрын

I'm not Christian but I used to be one. I go to a Catholic school so I was always brought up with religious education, and while it doesn't appeal to me much I fascinate alot on the religious themes of genshin but the Sumeru and Fontaine quest specifically, in the beginning lyney mentions people born with "sin" and how they will be washed away. Now havent we heard this story before? Yes, yes we have. The prophecy is similar to that of Noahs Ark when God washed away all the sinful people leaving Noah and his family only. Now the prophecy that Lyney tells us sounds more disastrous than how the npc we talk to shortly after in which the npc sees it as some sort of thing that once its happened. Its happened and he willingly accepts this fate with open arms. His perspective as well is similar to Darwins Theory of evolution and that the people of Fontaine once lived in water and belonged there but they soon started to evolve and have blood vessels and other body functions that require them to live on land instead. Some also see the water rising as just a natural phenomenon and nothing more and that the prophecy isn't much to worry about because it seems easily dismissed and not like a secured type of fate for them. Apologies I just ranted all of that and I just started Fontaine quest so I'm acc pretty hyped wekjfnkjeafhkshdkfjdfhskj😅

@Paimon_food853

4 ай бұрын

Sorry if that doesn't make any sense I get carried away when I ramble 😭

@silverhawkscape2677

2 ай бұрын

​@@Paimon_food853Umm. No. The Oceanids did not evolve the Ability to walk on Land. The god Egeria literally gave them the powers and Ability to be able to Live on land and was punished for it as well as her Children. The people who saw the flood as a Natural Phenomenon end up having the terror of their lives when it was Shown they will Dissolve like what happened to Poisson.

@silverhawkscape2677

2 ай бұрын

​@@Paimon_food853"Soon started to evolve" Egeria in the Corner who was Punished for literally giving the Oceanids the power to maintain a Form tgat can walk on land. 😢

they're not gonna like this one😭

@Slayyyaphine

4 ай бұрын

Who's they?

@finthecat9373

4 ай бұрын

@@Slayyyaphine religious people, I assume

@amanita.shroomly

4 ай бұрын

​@@Slayyyaphinethe homophobes, they often use religion as their reason for their hatred.

@Furina_Neuvi

4 ай бұрын

Who is thay ?

@blackswanxkafkatruther

4 ай бұрын

@@Furina_Neuvi "is genshin impact anti-RELIGION" take a guess

I just wanted to say that archons don't need theyr gnosis to be considered as archons since we learn from foclor that archons are placed on thrones and when that throne is destroyed than that means that they're won't be any more × archons

Ashikai has a really good, really well researched video on this. I'm sure you'll like her approach and thoughts on this topic!

@simsalabim00

4 ай бұрын

What's the video's title?

@Kanrawastaken

4 ай бұрын

@simsalabim00 I rewatched several in search for it, turns out it was several series she made. Pretty much all her videos, even the old ones, are absolutely worth the watch. I'm a huge nerd for mythologies and religions across history and cultures, and her videos are always incredibly detailed and beautifully researched with sources in the description. Even I learned so many new things in topics I considered myself a kinda expert

@Kanrawastaken

4 ай бұрын

@@simsalabim00 Especially those about the Archons, demon gods and gnosi are heavy on that topic

@fefedusts

4 ай бұрын

i don't remember the specific video, but there was one that expanded on how kind deshret aimed to use forbidden knowledge against celestia as it had higher "authority" (also a related tangent on pneuma ousia), and he was inspired by the dragon king. honestly, watch any and all videos that seem interesting, they're all good.

@goldpurpleflower

3 ай бұрын

Wow :o​@@Kanrawastaken

10:50 It was actually confirmed by devs a long time ago! Hoyoverse has this thing called Honkaiverse, which is a multiversum where all of their games sit in. It mainly focuses on Honaki series (Honkai Gakuen 1 and 2, Honkai Impact 3rd and Honkai Star Rail). The thing is, Genshin was supposed to be named Honkai 4, but due to some law stuff I do not understand they could not do it at that time so they've changed it to Genshin Impact. Back in 2020 ish, around the launch of Genshin, one of the devs confirmed that Genshin is also in the Honkaiverse, hence it is connected to all of Honkai series. We can also see Dvalin at some point in Honkai Impact 3rd main plot teehee. Btw funfact - games outside of Honkai franchise are also in the Honkaiverse, although they are not as important. Take Tears of Themis of example - the game's characters are literally characters from a bestseller at Bellobog. Pela literally has them on her phone case.

there is also this theory where the traveller power is derivative of the faith that people have on them, so basically we as player get stronger bc ppl are starting to putting their faith on this guy ik, not an known god just some guy that helps everyone, the traveller represents the will and faith of all people of teyvat and i think thats so cool

@MaxJey2

4 ай бұрын

The existence of hydro traveler would disprove that theory.

@VictorHugo-od8wx

4 ай бұрын

@@MaxJey2 why

@SolarLight-wc8py

4 ай бұрын

@@MaxJey2 how?

@bbysiea

4 ай бұрын

ashikai reference?

@kotarouinugami1745

4 ай бұрын

@@VictorHugo-od8wx ​ @SolarLight-wc8py Basically, Hydro version of Traveler is the latest one, and also considered the weakest in terms of gameplay. Hydro Traveler throws hitpoints around and needs to gather them like all Fontainians, and they don't have much to show for it. Also, building the Traveler as a healer is quite hard. Maybe it's possible if they cooperate with Neuvillette, as they share those orbs they drop on the ground, so Neuvillette can generate the orbs, and Traveler can use them to heal the party. But the worst part is that no matter what you do, you need to waste valuable combat time trying to gather the orbs.

SO SO EXCITED!! I love these videos I hope you never stop making them, just in general not even only about genshin

You NEED to talk to about the Aeons from Honkai Star Rail , their lore GOES CRAZY!!

You genuinely could make a 10 hour video recapping ALL the lore we know thusfar and I would EAT it UP. It's so nice to listen to your voice ;-; I love Archon and Heavenly principles lore

in greek 'gnosis' is 'gnosis'... you read the adjective for it (gnostikos) and said that's the noun, its even in the article excerpt you put on screen!

genshn about to become the next "attack and dethrone god" meme. i'd have to check, but i think Ei's wiping out Orobashi was the sacrifice. which is to say, Orobashi might've made a show of resistance, but like many of the dragons, took on that role to preserve their land.

This was such a great video! Please keep up the great work!!! I would love more discussions on this and the other things on your channel

Love the presentation of this video! And yeah I agree with most of your takes, especially with Focalors *deceiving* the Heavenly Principles it put the nail in the coffin that the actual uprising has started now. some minor corrections and/or remarks that don't really affect anything you said, but still: 1) Catholicism *is* Christianity, arguably (one of) its oldest form(s). I know you most likely have an American background in which Protestantism or the Evangelical group is considered 'real' Christianity, but... nah, they're really all different sects under the grander umbrella. 2) The Gnos*e*s (that's the plural, not Gnos*i* weirdly enough) are the 'proof' that an Archon is an Archon, but only enhances an Archon's already existing power. 3) Ei's situation was even worse, she also mourned all her dead friends of which roughly half she had to kill or mortally wound *herself* 4) The Heavenly Principles sent down the nails to prevent the Forbidden Knowledge from completely destroying all life on Teyvat. But still, yup, no regard for the people that lived around the planned striking zones so a dick move. 5) Orobashi sacrificed himself *by* putting himself into a position to get executed by Ei because he basically declared war on the Shogunate. He forced his own death, thus a sacrifice. (afterwards though, Ei allowed the people of Watatsumi to still worship Orobashi, real queen shit imo) 6) In one of the Sumeru Desert world quests we do find out that Celestia and the Archons tried to prevent *anyone* from getting destroyed by the Abyssal explosions of power, it's just that Khaenri'ah was already too far gone.

@silverhawkscape2677

2 ай бұрын

Umm. Given the effects of Forbidden knowledge on People. Those people were already as good as dead. When faced with an Existential treat like forbidden knowledge, taking drastic actions not out of the question. Worst still if the people infected with forbidden knowledge are contaminated and so have to be removed regardless.

Dont they have inspirations from an real life belief, gnosticism?

@Demopans5990

4 ай бұрын

Yep

E cooked so much she ended word hunger

@catdownthestreet

4 ай бұрын

Hehe, word hunger (not a jab at you, I just thought the typo was hilarious)

They do a lot of religious things, so i'm exited and curious

Hey! So something i noticed that i think connects to the idea of the age of humanity, each nation seems to have a mock-archon or rather, a human that leads the nation and is similar to the archon Mondstadt; (Anemo): Venti - Anemo Archon Jean - Acting Grand Master (Anemo) Liyue; (Geo): Zhongli - Geo Archon Ningguang - Head of the Liyue Qixing (Geo) Inazuma; (Electro): Ei - Electro Archon Yae Miko (or Kujou Sara not sure) - Head of the Grand Narukami shrine / Head of the Tenryou Commission (Both Electro) Sumeru; (Dendro): Nahida - Dendro Archon Alhaitham - *Acting* Grand Sage (Dendro) Fontaine; (Hydro): Not really sure which is which here between Neuivllette and Furina, depends on how you spin it but you get the idea. There's no way this trend is a coincidence, right?

@catdownthestreet

4 ай бұрын

That's really interesting! I think my brain half-baked a similar thought but you really hit the hammer on the nail perfectly. Great eye for detail!

The day everyone gets together to fight celestia will be legendary

The quality of these vids is just *chefs kiss* and I absolutely adore your voice and speaking pattern. True delight every time. Also spitting facts.

Love this video, thank you so much for the perspective on how divinity is portrayed in Genshin! It's very interesting to see how Hyv tackles divinity especially in comparison between their games like the Archons of Genshin vs the Aeons of HSR. Really loved this video

Okay, so I've been cooking up my own theories lately, and that of course involves a lot of digging through lore. Something I've noticed a lot of people misunderstanding is what exactly happened 500 years ago during the cataclysm. Let me explain... There are a few things related to Khaenri'ah that we know for sure happened around the same time the cataclysm happened. One, the nation was destroyed. Two, Rhinedottir- known as "Gold" at the time- either created or summoned the Abyssal creatures like the Riftwolves. This could've been in response to or the cause of the destruction of Khaenri'ah. Also, it's more likely that she created them, as can be seen in the descriptions of certain items and creatures. Three, the Heavenly Principles stepped in to stop the destruction of the other nations, which may have been the final nail in the coffin for Khaenri'ah as a nation. And finally, four, two different curses were placed on the Khaenri'ahns. The first only affected pure-blooded Khaenri'ahns, giving them immortality but not protection from erosion over the years. There are some possible side effects to this curse- like corruption of the body, for example. The second affected the rest of Khaenri'ah, turning the people into monsters with no semblance of humanity left in them. It was basically an instant-erosion and monsterification bundle. Something we know for sure is that people from Khaenri'ah are unreliable narrators. The gods aren't much better, but my point is, we cannot know for sure whether the curse of immortality was from the gods or the Abyss. Personally, I think Clothar was full of it and it was actually the result of tampering with the Abyss that brought the curse and their destruction upon them. But you're free to draw your own conclusions on the matter. All I'm saying is, from what we know, it is extremely unlikely that the gods placed the curse on Khaenri'ah after destroying the nation. They probably didn't even destroy Khaenri'ah at all until its meddling with the Abyss became a danger to the prosperity of the rest of Teyvat. Also, if you watch one very specific theorist's video on the matter, you might've heard of the idea that Celestia actually tried to save Khaenri'ah through the curse, but it failed due to Abyssal corruption and led to some becoming mindless monsters and others becoming immortal, both eternally tortured by their mistakes and erosion. If Celestia really did place the curse on Khaenri'ahns, that theory would make a lot of sense. After all, do you remember how several of the Archons gained their gnosi? It was because of their love and well-wishes for humanity, not their power. Greater Lord Rukkhadevata and Barbatos are excellent examples of this! After all, one didn't kill any gods at all despite being fully capable of it, and the other slept right through the war. Feel free to correct me on any of this if it's wrong. I just wanted to clarify some things about the cataclysm, as well as provide some possibilities for what could've happened. It still works with your ideas though, E. Even if Celestia was trying to save Khaenri'ah as well as protect the other nations through the destruction of the nation and the curse, they still failed on both ends. Teyvat is still suffering the consequences of the Abyss and Khaenri'ah's mistakes. Not to mention the Celestial Nails... yikes on that one. One thing is certain: there is no such thing as perfectly good or completely evil in Genshin. Everything falls into a grey area... except for Dottore. That man has no excuse 💀

@catdownthestreet

4 ай бұрын

I forgot to mention one thing: I think you're giving Celestia too much credit. The Heavenly Principles seem to be trying to destroy and protect Teyvat at the same time. They chose the Archons based on who would care for humanity the best, but then don't seem to care if the Archons step down and stop doing their duties as gods. They attempt to protect Teyvat from outside forces like Descenders, but then they force Descenders like the Twins to stay on the continent/planet anyway. They stop potential threats to the safety and stability of Teyvat (which includes threats to themselves because they maintain the world and its- cough cough- principles), but then let harmful things like Abyssal creatures and forbidden knowledge run rampant and harm their precious humans. Not to mention the times they destroyed entire ecosystems with their Celestial Nails. The Chasm, the Great Red Sands, and Dragonspine would be completely safe and inhabitable if they hadn't, y'know, dropped incredibly destructive pillars on them and royally screwed up the Ley Lines. Not to mention they unintentionally(?) started the Archon War, even though the point of handing out the gnosi was not to cause war but to find suitable protectors for Teyvat's nations. Just... the Heavenly Principles have no clue what they're doing. That's very apparent. One minute they're trying to save everyone, the next they're actively destroying the harmony they seem so reverent of. I bet if you ask anyone in Teyvat what they think of the Heavenly Principles and Celestia, they'll say something like "The gods are mysterious to us because their will is impossible to understand by mortals." Y'know, kinda like what hyperreligious people say when you ask them why their deity/deities don't do anything to prevent bad things from happening to humans. Another thing that makes Genshin a game that is critical of religion in general. Don't you think?

@catdownthestreet

4 ай бұрын

Also, you're not wrong, the Heavenly Principles are the Demiurge of Teyvat. But remember how you described the Demiurge of Gnosticism? A blundering buffoon. That's exactly what the Principles are. They're incompetent.

Thanks for this one E ! I'd read about Genshin and Gnosticism before but it's such a complex topic and you made it fun and accessible to many people. I honestly love that Genshin's writing is built over this humanist message and this amazing lore.

the tsaritsa's got a point

Thank you so much for this video. It made me think about a lot of stuff and how some moments might be escalated in the future. Kinda opens the curtains to what this whole story is about. Again thank you so much

This has to be one of my FAVORITE videos in Genshin Impact and this explained so much on the lore is😭❤ it was amazing!

This is the best of discussions I have partake in, it's such an interesting take on the story and lore of Genshin that it just seems to connect all very well. I truly want to say how much enlightened I do feel about all of this and that, thank you E for creating such a well-written , immersive and good summary of what has all happened in the story. If all of this does end up tying the knot of what the game is about the 'Truth of this world' then I dare say it's an amazing lesson and story take that a lot of us needed to be reminded off and I would truly love to see it all unravel till the end. My passion of understanding Genshin story has increased and your character explanation through your videos thank you so much.

Go humanity ✊ THE JUMPSCARE IN THE END HELP

I’m only a few minutes into the video, but I was reading…I think it was “The Mondstadt Tower” book from the archive, and that definitely goes along with the video topic. It was a lot like the plot of Disney’s version of The Hunchback of Notre Dame and highlighted the corruption in religion and aristocracy. Absolute power corrupts absolutely.

@catdownthestreet

4 ай бұрын

Oh! I need to think about that line. You have a point.

@silverhawkscape2677

2 ай бұрын

And Mondstad is literally the most Faithful People so far we've seen despite no seeing Barbatos.

a video collecting all the different religious allusions and references found in each regions religion to real world faiths would be awesome!! im a world views student and would personally find that video a joy to watch!

@welkin7321

4 ай бұрын

it would also allow conversation about lesser known religions that may have ties to genshin like shinto, zoroastrianism, and faewicca

E!!! I loved this video very much, and youve opened my eyes even more to the religious context of the game. I hope to see more videos like this if you feel so inclined

E you COOKED SO HARD I LOVE IT!!! PLEASE DO MORE

OMG! YAY, the queen themselves decided to grace us again with BEUTIFUL VIDEOS, (btw, loving the makeup.)

I Need you to talk more about genshin deep lore You are so good at explaining stuff!!!!! Another great video B)

Absolutely! Love your vlogs! Keep up the good work!🤗

This was very interesting! The fact that the archons (AND PAIMON) are named after demons is something that has been haunting me from the begining, i'm very curious to see where this is going (and also what the hell paimon actually is). Also, since you seem to like history i think it would be very interesting to talk about all the origins and inspirations for the nations sometime. I mean, aside from the obvious ones we all know about all the nations have a lot of other references to different places, cultures and time periods from the real world, like some characters in mondstadt having names of nordic origin, tsurumi island having references to the ainu tribe, the chasm apparently being based on mongolia, fontaine having some references to italy and england, etc etc

@catdownthestreet

4 ай бұрын

Oh that's so cool! I knew the nations were never solely based on one real life culture but I didn't realize there were direct references to smaller tribes and obscure nations within the larger ones. How interesting! Also, would you like to hear some of what I managed to figure out about Paimon? Since you mentioned being excited to learn what Paimon is. I'm sure it's nothing you haven't seen in other theories before, but I do have a lot of information I think you might find fascinating. :)

@Shinoot

4 ай бұрын

Oooh sure, i would love to hear it!! I've heard a lot of very different theories about paimon and i haven't made up my mind on what to believe yet haha

@catdownthestreet

4 ай бұрын

@@Shinoot Just so you know I'm working on making a quick overview of Paimon lore, but it's gonna take a bit to finish without making it too long. I'll keep you updated :)

two points I feel are often overlooked: 1) who is the real Genshin and why? 2) when will we get the title drop (queue dramatic music)?

@mndy129

4 ай бұрын

We got the title drop at the end of Mondstadt AQ, just not in English Allogene = Genshin

@gierosajie9357

4 ай бұрын

Like what the other reply said, Venti did a title drop in the prologue archon quest, but y'know your first question made me think about how genshin also means something like "original/primordial god" and that the 1st descender is called the Primordial One. Like, whose impact is the title REALLY about - humanity or the usurper or both? Who has the greater impact on the world? that kinda thing

@fefedusts

4 ай бұрын

already got it- primodial.

@kotarouinugami1745

4 ай бұрын

@@gierosajie9357 I say it's the impact of Allogenes. Because we do see their impact, while the Primordial One hides in the annals of forgotten history.

I love the chat falling into cooking stories

E you cooked so much!!! I fr got goosebumps

I literally had the same thoughts and just didn't know how to connect them! Thank you!

Interesting! Can’t wait to see what you’re gonna cook! c:

Hey E I just wanted to say I love ur videos and your very pretty also can u do something about Genshins neurodivergent coding?

@leymons1236

4 ай бұрын

Yes yes yes pleaseee this would be so good (If alhaitham isn’t mentioned in depth I will riot)

@Queerqueen1234

3 ай бұрын

Well I mean I think everyone should get an equal amount of time for neurodivergent coding breakdown.

amazing video, loved every bit of it ❤

saw this video and immediately thought about that comment i left, so happy it led to an actual video!!!

DAMN THAT WAS SO GOOD MY BRAIN IS WELL FED and now i have lots to think and ponder abt

@catdownthestreet

4 ай бұрын

do share your thinking and pondering please

This might be a stretch, and this goes against some other theories regarding visions, but maybe, expanding on this theory that the story of genshin is about humans realising that they are more than what the heavenly principles wants them to think, visions are the physical manifestations of this realisation. Visions are something that people with immense passion and determination receive, mostly after achieving a great feat, so maybe visions are the physical manifestation of humans “realising their own power”. All humans are technically capable of receiving a vision, and visions give the wielders control over one of the seven elements, elements that have been a part of Teyvat since the sovereign days. A gift from the creators themselves, to acknowledge that they realised they’re as, if now more, powerful than celestia These might just be some insane ramblings on my part, but I think it’s cool to think about visions like this!

@catdownthestreet

4 ай бұрын

That's such an interesting theory! It makes me wonder if the Heavenly Principles actually want humans to reach enlightenment on their own, but have to step in when their attempts to reach it cause harm to other humans. Take for example the destruction of Khaenri'ah, which was more by their own doing because they were tampering with the natural order through using the power of the Abyss, which led to the creation of certain creatures that nearly destroyed parts of Teyvat and caused the cataclysm. The gods stepped in to stop it, from what we can tell. Also, forbidden knowledge may not be the enlightenment humanity is supposed to reach, hence its destructive nature. Celestia may be bad at its job but they most certainly did not intend for most of the harm that they caused for humanity, else why would they select archons based on their love and goodwill for humanity? (Venti slept through the Archon War and Greater Lord Rukkhadevata didn't participate in it at all, hence why I know this is true over the more common belief that the strongest of all the gods were chosen. If that were the case, some of the current or previous archons would not have been given a gnosis at all.) This does not mean that Celestia hasn't intentionally caused harm- just look at Dragonspine. Did an entire ecosystem need to be destroyed in order to save the rest of humanity? Did Sal Vindagnir even deserve that destruction? Who knows.

I really love this video because in most theories about genshin always returns the concept of ghosticism. Understanding the stories behind ghosticism helped me understand the game in a way.

NAHHH I GOT CHILLS AT THE END 10/10

Great, great video. Truly learned a lot

I love the enkanomiya music

I love this kind of videos too, so thanks! It was very fun.

WE ARE TUNING INNN this my type of analysis

Interesting video, it was alot and I got most of it, but I am no leaping scholar with aims to make a youtube channel. Thanks for making this I would love to see more!

Not nearly as unhinged as I expected from the title (then again, I watch Ashikai) but great theory. Given the stuff in the lore, it does make sense and I love the plausibility of it.

The way you delve into the deep deep depths of genshin and like so many topics its connected to is so cool if you ever started focusing on like lorecrafting like plotting genshins future lore it would be OVER for any other lore content creator youd get sued by hyv for predicting their entire storyline Like this video was more focused on its own like lore and deep dive is more focused on genshins lore itself rather than like connecting it to other topics( those videos are very cool too tho!!! I related to the trans coding of wanderer so much) and its so cool because you really get into the DEPTHS of genshins lore and connections

@ryn.x1933

4 ай бұрын

I yapped didnt i 😔

@catlin3949

4 ай бұрын

@@ryn.x1933you cooked!!

@catdownthestreet

4 ай бұрын

​@@ryn.x1933 nahh that's the point of commenting, I had fun reading your yapping

OMG.OMG.OMG /POS E YOURE LITERALLY A GENIUS !!!!! All,of this makes TOO much sense, ur videos are so fucking good they're emaking love this game even more

5:17 The plural form of gnosis is gnoses (pronounced “no seas”) just like other words ending in “sis” such as stasis’s plural form being stases. The “I” plural is used for some words ending in “us” such as cactus to cacti or radius to radii.

I’ve always gotten the impression that Genshin is more critical of divinity than it is of religion. One thing I’ve always found interesting is the Church of Barbatos, and -to put it bluntly- it’s irrelevance. In all of Genshin, it’s the closest thing there is to modern-day religion (this might just be because Mondstadt is based on western Europe and Chrisianity just happens to be the most prevalant religion). The fact that they have that and just kinda don’t do anything with in has always made me think that Genshin isn’t too concerned with the social aspect of religious organizations, but instead with the very concept of divinity and how we conceive of it.

@CommieBukkakie

4 ай бұрын

That being said, I think there’s definitely something there in regards to the implications of those themes, and how that maps out when applied to religion. The whole idea of challenging the legitimacy of the supreme authority and attempting to seize that divinity is basically what got Lucifer kicked out of heaven. Also, these themes do apply to any kind of heirarchy, and just about every religion (certainly the mainstream ones) are inherently hierarchical, so you know there’s that too.

I don't play Genshin but this info is juicy goodness for my gnostic based campaign in DND. Thanks girl!

I love these kinds of videos! ❤

i love this types of videos sm

I love thinking about genshin through its religious viewpoint. it does, however, make me curious how they're gonna represent a character like istaroth, who seems to keep breaking the celestia standard 🤔🤔loved the video!!!

absolutely devoured this one as per usual ✨ a bit of a side note that stuck out to me during the celestia portion of the video was the mention of how they try to limit and control the spread of knowledge due to the power it holds - PERFECT nod to the tree of the knowledge of good and evil in christianity, but also got me thinking not just about gnoses, but also visions. there have been theories floating around for a while about visions being bestowed not actually as a blessing meant to harness one's power, like we're led to believe, but actually as a means to control or repress that power in those deemed ambitious enough to seek truth AND powerful enough to potentially uncover it. no idea at this point if those theories will be proven true, but it wouldnt surprise me if celestia viewed powerful citizens as threats to their rule, just as much as they do the archons. another key note: celestia tasking the archons to fight for their place in teyvat and granting divinity to the successful seven is the most PERFECT way to not only control the strong, but also use the strong to wipe out the week, thus leaving every archon that remains and poses a threat to celestia under its watchful eye. for those with supposedly "heavenly" principles, they sure are devious in that regard...... but that's just a theory. a game --

10:45 btw E !! About the Honkaiverse theory, if we use the imaginary tree theory as a basis actually every HoYo's games we already know are a part of the same universe it's not a multiverse , which is a common misconception because of mistranslation... Each games is a "world", from the imaginary tree's pov it's a "leaf", composed of their own planets systems, etc... AND the Astral Espress's purpose is actually to travel between worlds, again from the imaginary tree's pov that means it can travel along a branch to find others leafs...(like the Travellers in Genshin impact !) So I had a theory that the Travellers might have known the Astral Espress but since they were flying at the beginning of the game i could be wrong... But ! Considering everything is in the same universe (and when genshin and star rail respectively released) maybe one day we'll get in Teyvat with the Astral Espress. or... maybe Celestia is stopping anyone to get into their world to protect the one thing that can rule it... the stellaron !! That's right the stellaron, that orange cube and you know where we last saw that in genshin, at the very beginning of the game the Unknown God used it to "seal" one Traveller with red cube. (with btw look like it's Honkai 3rd but iIdon't have any idea what it points to i'm not caught up in Honkai impact 3rd lore...) and maybe the source of the powers of the Travellers is actually the stellaron, hence why Aether's color scheme weirdly match with it... maybe they travel between worlds to get stellarons, but idk why they would, but that thing could explain why they adapt so well to Teyvat (meaning being able to use elemental powers without gnosis) but yeah that's all for my theory 🤠

12:10 Even if there were twelve of them, there was also twelve archons in Genshin. Each nation apart from Mondstadt and Liyue had two archons (so ten in total), and then we add Barbaros and Morax. Coincidence?

You know this was a really good video and makes you think. I don't believe at all that the Sustainer/Celestia are doing things maliciously for one BIG main reason. The Honkai, we know that Teyvat is on the Imaginary Tree not a bubble world in the Sea of Quanta. So it follows, where is the Honkai? Since Honkai and honkai energy are a universal "law" amongst all worlds on said tree. Or Is the reason why Celestia destroyed Khaenri'ah is they were advancing to a point that the Honkai would've started noticing Teyvat. Cause technological advancement is a trigger for the honkai to start manifesting. What if Celestia is somehow shielding or obscuring Teyvat from it? We will just have to wait till later to see how Hoyo is going to end this part of Genshin while also connecting it to the larger Hoyoverse.

I honestly feel like it’s the totally opposite, you can tell there’s minor peaks of representation of religion in every region. For example, Fontaine and Mondstadt could represent Christianity/Catholicism. Furina/Focalor represents Jesus as He sacrificed Himself for our sins and He walks on water. Neurvillette is kinda like God the Father as He forgave our sins because Jesus was the sacrifice, not to mention He’s also know as a justice and merciful Father. Mondstadt has that church, Barbatoes had angel wings, there’s nuns, and so much more. That’s just an example. It’s obvious Genshin was inspired by religion

@magekazin

4 ай бұрын

exactly my thoughts as well. Furina/Focalor/Neurbillette, you hit it right on the head. Definitely parallel to Christianity.

@PeruvianPotato

4 ай бұрын

Spot on with this take. I'm Catholic myself but the religious references were rather obvious when playing and despite being not explicitly based on any given faith, it's pretty obvious to connect two and two together

@DreamyAileen

3 ай бұрын

drawing inspiration from real-world religions for fantasy-counterpart religions doesn't necessarily make Genshin as a work not anti-religion. The game's consistent theme of portraying gods as flawed at best (the Archons) or outright evil at worst (Celestia) very much implies anti-religion and to a lesser extent anti-authoritarian messaging

@PeruvianPotato

3 ай бұрын

@@DreamyAileen So you're just going to ignore the entirety of Sumeru and Fontaine. Nice. By the way, the game is primarily based on gnosticism with mostly _minor_ influences on Eastern faiths.

@magekazin

3 ай бұрын

@@DreamyAileen Wow you could be more wrong. Venti flaws in all is shown to be there helping when his nation needed him. Zhongli helped build a strong nation that could stand on its own and now continues to watch over it from the sidelines. Raiden was suffering from immense grief and made some bad choices ok sure, but is now trying to make things better. There is no more benevolent god then Nahida. And Focalor literally gave up her life to save the lives of her entire nation.

Part of the reason I love genshin so much is how much lore they draw from a variety of real world religions. A loooooot of terminology got borrowed from gnosticism, which actually lines up pretty well with Teyvat's pre-creation story of Before Sun and Moon.

As someone that looks for religion references in half my content and us planning on making a tesis relation to it in IR i gotta see this

E dropping the hardest bars video to video like it’s nothing

One thing to note is that the negative side-effects you were attributing to the nails was actually due to Forbidden Knowledge. It actually is bad for Teyvat/the Human Realm and the nails do help neutralize it, so that complicates things a bit. Celestia might be pricks, but they might also be trying to save Teyvat from outside forces, as well. Khaenri'ans might've been in their rights to reject the Gods, but there's also the suggestion that they were also naive, and so they may have done something to justify their demise. Signs point to a series of complicated situations.

@arnowisp6244

4 ай бұрын

Exactly. Despite Kheanria can be seen as Victims. They werent portrayed as Innocent Either. One of the Oldest lore drops about them were the Field Tillers and how Warlike the meaning behind the name was.

videos like this are just such an eye opener on how intresting Genshin really is. Thank you so much E for making videos as such 🫶🏼 P.S: Would litreally DIE for a video on how each region is depicted with different religion

(Commenting while watching the vid) I find it so interesting how SO MANY gods in genshin have demon names, except the 7 + Paimon, all ancient Liyue gods do too , not to forget Decarabia too and I’m probably forgetting some I’ve . Ive been kinda obsessed with this too

As a muslim can i just say that Gnosticism is low-key serving. Like, "The true divinity is within us all along." Making self-empowerment so straight-forward kinda slaps✨

@wiswc

13 күн бұрын

There is nothing divine about humans, the only special about us is our intelligence and even that we severely misuse.

i also find it interesting how every archon has praised humanity in some way, saying how they all might have had something that they didn't. nahida praised their curiosity, creativity and emotional connection ei praised their ambitions and them looking forward to the future and their progression as a species zhongli praised how independent they are not needing a god venti with their freedom and expression and egeria and focalors sacrificing everything to save all of humanity and focalors last words saying how much she loved humanity and how special it was, and praising furina for being a human

@wiswc

13 күн бұрын

It's almost like the story is written by humans or something and that humans love to praise themselves

@sunfish8644

13 күн бұрын

@wiswc not always Sometimes humans just hate humans

this was soo good tysm

E finally gave matpat an answer, plural of gnosis is gnosi(eye) 🙇‍♀️💜 Other religions are so interesting, so thanks for being an unofficial teacher 💔 as a Christian(☝️🤓) it’s now my duty to love this video more then I usually would 🙇‍♀️💜

Nooooooooooo not the Zhongli mousepad jumpscare 😭😭😭

You made me start cooking but I dont know the recipe, just listen, what if the sinner on albreich quest is a fragment of the third or nibelung?

Hey love your content with my whole heart I also really like your ideas but I also heard on mistake you said that Hephaestus was born from a Athena but he was born from Hera who wanted to show Zeus that she didn’t need him.❤❤❤

I'm not 100% sure about your explanation of what a Gnosis is and how it works, what you said 5:50 "to activate their [the Archon's] legitimate divinity and connect them to Celestia" - the first part is what the Divine Thrones do, not the Gnoses (that do the second part), and yeah, they're two separate things and I'm still unsure how they work together. I will explain how I understood it because I got confused at the end of Fontaine about this exact same thing so I had to re-read a couple things. At the end of Fontaine Neuvilette gains back his full Dragon Sovereign powers, but he doesn't have them because of the Hydro Gnosis since he gave it away to Arlecchino. He gained back his full powers because Focalors destroyed the Divine Throne and gave back the Authority over the land to Neuvilette. So, the Divine Throne is the symbol or the concept of the Archon position as the Authority of the land. It can be destroyed if Archon's "divinity" is destroyed, as in Focalors, the separated "divine" part of the Archon. The Divine Throne is this thing/concept that Celestia has imposed on every region, and when an Archon is chosen they become one with it, so that's how the Throne got destroyed - because Focalors destroyed her divinity that was fused together with it. Then what are the Gnoses and what are they for? They are parts of the Third Descender and they harvest the elemental powers of the Dragon Sovereigns, and they resonate directly with Celestia. Archons can use the elements without it, so it's not what they're for. Giving up or having your Gnosis taken away does not mean giving up your Divine Throne: Ei, Venti and Nahida are proof of this, they're still Archons of their regions and they still have the Authority over them. Who's the most interesting here is Zhongli, who seems to both have given away his Gnosis AND have left his Throne vacant, because Azhdaha said he can sense that he's "no longer the Geo Archon" and because he can't create Mora anymore (although it's unclear if it's the Gnosis power or the Throne power, so maybe I'm off here). Although Akasha was created with the power of Dendro Gnosis, so creating Mora might be in the same category, but Azhdaha's remark still makes room for speculation on the Throne itself. Can it be left vacant or can it only be given from previous Archon to the next one? Also, it was implied in Scaramouche battle that the Archon War was fought over the possession of the Gnoses, so they might be Symbols of Authority created by Celestia, but they do not hold that Authority by themselves - the Thrones do. So it might have been "win the Gnosis - win the Divine Throne" type of Celestial deal back in the Archon War. So despite being an older game concept, Gnoses are still more mysterious than the Divine Throne that was only introduced recently. Again, this is only my understanding, but what is 100% certain is that The Devine Throne and the Gnosis are two separate things and they're not as connected with each other as you'd assume. Also obligatory EN is my second language so I'm hoping this huge rant is at least coherent.

@anhelaanhela4996

4 ай бұрын

Oh yeah....the rest of what you said about the Gnoses goes here also. Idk my mental capacity is drained now, you get it lol.

@anhelaanhela4996

4 ай бұрын

About Orobaxi: he basically unalived himself by jumping on Ei's sword. He pretended to attack Yashiori to conquer it for Enkanomiyans who were hungry and wanted fertile land, but it was just a good excuse for him to unsubscribe from Teyvat so that Enkanomiyans don't question why he did it and didn't find that book in the pursuit of the truth and didn't curse and doom themselves like he did. So he did it to save them. Orobaxi d13d for our sins, he's my Archon fr, Enka story and location are my favorite in Genshin.

@kotarouinugami1745

4 ай бұрын

We don't know if Zhongli can't create mora anymore. He sure retired from being a glorified money-printing machine, but he created the first Mora before he won the Archon War, and will probably be able to create Mora even if somebody else takes his place as an Archon. It is entirely possible that he just refuses to create Mora, because he lives as a normal person now, and normal people don't create Mora. Azdaha's opinion is more solid argument, though. Azdaha has no reason to be able to sense a Gnosis, but every reason to be able to sense Throne/Authority. P.S. English is my second language too, and I think your English is pretty good. No complaints from my side.

Loved the video just a correction on the greek (source= I'm greek). gnosis=γνωσις (ancient Greek)=knowledge (=γνώση or gnosi in modern Greek). Gnostikos=knowledgeable or related to knowledge. Also, plural of gnosis is gnoseis (=γνώσεις, both in ancient and modern Greek), which is pronounced exactly like singular gnosis, so as it's not a Latin word, plural gnosis is still pronounced like gnosis.

this was so interesting broo

Oooo I’m excited

i think the gods and their respective elements and ideals have another side to them. I do think each god might also coincide with one of the seven deadly sins, I haven't quite figured out fully who goes with which, but it's also an interesting thought.

I wanna add 3 facts that prove your point about humanity being actually more powerful and a true threat to Celestia 1. It's basically confirmed that Celestia is hella scared of humans to understand the true nature of this world, it's clearly depicted and told in various story entries and especially murales that Celestia and humanity where first in harmony, but as humanity progressed and evolved, becoming less and less dependable from the Gods, they started having doubts and then openly question divine authority and what happened to those civilization? First they were abandoned and then they got obliterated, Celestia throw down they're divine nails erasing countless of life: We have actually seen many of these civilisation ( Dragon spine, tsurumi island, the Sumerian desert, the chasm and probably we'll soon find out another nail in fountain) 2. The power of elemental mastery that people get to use is not of celestial origin but of dragons'. Let's analyse it,we know that the one controlling the elements in teyvat and the one who first ruled the land were DRAGONS, the power of elements is of dragonic origin. We than know thanks to skirk that the Gnosi, that are artifacts that contain high amount of elemental energy and seem to be the source of the archons enormous power itself, was used to channel the dragon authority so that Celestia could use it. That's said we know that humans are capable of obtaining a vision (that are of dragon origins, with the hydro and anemo traveler is highly implied that they are mimicking dragons combat stile and not the archons) when they have a strong desire; vision allow human to do the impossible and humans with vision can actually beat up gods if they want ( see ningguang, Childe or kazuha like girl they are not real???) And apparently Celestia is aware of the human potential, hence 3. Thanks to Renè notes+ Vanessa story we know that getting a vision isn't really that great because you get bounded with the fate of the world = Celestia recognise you and we we have seen what happened to Vanessa when she ascended. She didn't found any paradise but the manga shows us something more like a jail??? So in conclusion, Celestia is aware of humans energy and potential, they fear humanity, hence they both oppressed the one who tried to question and rise up and controlled the other one with the archons (fake gods) making them believe to be weaker than the celestial authority so that they can continue to rule and gather their elemental power for currently unknown reasons

@wiswc

13 күн бұрын

None of the characters you mentioned have beaten any being close to the heavenly principles, and kazuha did not beat anyone, he blocked an attack. Celestia fears forbidden knowledge, which is not the power of humans.