I very much appreciate each of these uploads. I come not to reinforce my preconceived ideals but to learn alternative points of view to expand my horizons.

Best way for God to get rid of evil problem would be to create evil and suffering as a pleasurable and rewarding experience.

I created light and form darkness, I create good and form evil, I God do all these things. Isaiah 45:7

@realistic.optimist

3 жыл бұрын

Bob somehow thinks there is a ruler for measuring God. God is laughing at him. A human trying to comprehend God is analogous to teaching calculus to an amoeba.

Yes, evil is necessary. Without evil, there can be no 'good'. It's too bad Alan Watts is no longer alive, as he would make a great CTT interviewee. If you read his book "The Book" he explains how every "thing" needs its opposite, in order to exist. Think about it, how would we know good without evil? Beauty without ugliness, etc.

@Yameen200

2 жыл бұрын

ahh the old ying yang theodicy, but do we really need such excessive evils to know beauty from ugly, cold from hot, bad from good ? Further a being who lets animals suffer and babies get raped and all these injustices and mental health problems etc would you really be in love with such a being ?

Circumstances in life or according to where we were born or what culture we grew up in, help shape/ causes our reality and decisions.

There is no Good... There is no Evil.... What is evil for one , is good for other... There is only Chance..

One thing I know : Man can't do good without knowing what's evil. So without evil, good wouldn't exist.

I think the Subject is like asking one's self; what is a mature question in light of this subject, or how can one live forever by simply shifting thru time and space....the quest for answers never ends, but we must pursue and continue some things forever......a never ending pursuit...One has to see the Glory in the whole Eternal concept, respectfully....and we still won't understand; of course that's my opinion.

EXCELLENT!!! I was beginning to think he’d never reach a conclusion. As to the astonishing depth of evil, have we forgotten the equally rich blessings this world has to offer? Yes, for some more than others. But who are we to judge? Players on a stage....... be kind.

God made it necessary so he can come and play the hero.

The wonderings in the questions were truly insightful. The discussions Walter mentioned were thoughts not easily expressed. And does the end truly justified the means with all the sins and evils of the journey in life? Which Robert mentioned. Seemingly the host is like me still searching for the meaning in God's life on earth

I really can't explain this mystery. My mind performs the following steps: 1) Define what we mean by "god." 2) Assume this kind of god exists. 3) Define what we mean by evil. 4) Assume this type of evil exists. 5) Assume this kind of god creates/allows this kind of evil. 6) Press "skip" and delete steps 1-5

@moses777exodus

2 жыл бұрын

The "physical world/universe" exists, in large part, due to duality and the interaction and balance of these opposing forces. Light - Dark; North - South, Positive - Negative; Right - Wrong, On - Off, Yin - Yang, 1 - 0, Day - Night, Order - Disorder, Good - Evil, Up - Down, True - False, Male - Female, Hot - Cold, Wave - Particle, etc. is observed to be interwoven within the fabric of the "physical world/universe". Thus, the existence of Good would of necessity require the existence of Evil in the physical world/universe, and vice versa. Moreover, the scientifically confirmed property of duality in the physical world/universe does not preclude the existence of a Prime Observer/Cause.

Something not often noticed...Singapore has largely eliminated evil. There are three parts to her elimination of evil: 1) Super smart people managed to create a giga economy to virtually eliminate poverty that might arise from lack of work and resources 2) clever social programs that incentivise savings and increase of net worth. 3) lots of rules along the lines of so-called "broken windows" theory that prevents small problems from festering into larger problems. Outside of Asia many don't know that with regard to Singaporean rules, Japanese jokingly call Singapore "N. Korea with lights". Singapore is a creation from Confucian Chinese with input from Hindus, Christians and S. Asian Muslims.

I love closer to truth.

When evils became powerful, god needs to do the actions

@johnbrzykcy3076

3 жыл бұрын

But I think humans also have a responsibility ( moral duty? ) to fight evil when we see it.

There’s an even more fundamental question than the question of evil; that question is: Why did God create anything at all? God has the Attribute of being perfect. “Perfect” comes from the Latin “per”, meaning “through”, and the past participle of the Latin “facere”, which means “to make”. God is perfect, that is, God is made “all the way through”; He is complete unto Himself, just as we mean when we say, “Don’t add anything more because it’s perfect the way it is.” A perfect God needs nothing. So, why did God create anything? If God is indeed perfect, then the act of creation is an unnecessary act, but God can’t do anything that’s unnecessary. So, is God perfect or not? Only after answering the question of “Why did a perfect God create anything at all?” can one start to address the question of why is there evil in God’s creation. In addressing that question, one must begin with the concept that God also has the Attribute of being omniscient --- knowing all things, past, present, and future. If no evil existed prior to God creating something, and if God is omniscient and knows that if He creates anything, especially free-willed creatures, evil will come into existence, then God is responsible for allowing evil --- natural evil, as well as evil done by free-willed creatures --- to come into existence because creating anything at all was unnecessary for a perfect God Who needs nothing. So, let’s begin with: Why did a perfect God Who needs nothing create anything at all?

@ferdinandkraft857

3 жыл бұрын

Exactly. Creation presupposes an imperfection, a void that must be filled.

Is there evil in heaven? God's after life? If there is, what's the point? Why bother with an after life at all? If there isn't, what's the point of THIS realm? Why not just go direct to the after life realm in the first place and dispense from this flawed, evil realm?

@agroforestryconsultancyroz3157

2 жыл бұрын

What about the theory of human, evil, good compare to bullet, case, gunpowder. The good must be more powerfull to be released. Evil is bad, yet it is necessary to reach heaven if you compare its glory with the distance of the target of the bullet. You can't throw it that far.

@darioinfini

2 жыл бұрын

@@agroforestryconsultancyroz3157 No idea what you said but nice theory.

When bad things happen to good people Rabbi Harold Kushner

Is the concept of Good Vs evil a legitimate one in the natural world??

@freedommascot

3 жыл бұрын

@Bill Norris Right-not legitimate. There exists only potentiality, to include stabilizing, reinforcing patterns that persist through time and space. I’m so tired of the these anthropocentric views of reality!

@Ploskkky

3 жыл бұрын

@Bill Norris. That is a much more interesting question. Theism is the most bankrupt idea humans ever came up with anyway..

@thinkislamcheckmychannel

3 жыл бұрын

Are you presupposing a purely material world?

@Arunava_Gupta

3 жыл бұрын

Bill, in a purely material world, there is nothing called "good" and nothing called "bad". This is because here personalities are merely matter and matter is inherently neither good nor bad.

@Bill..N

3 жыл бұрын

@@thinkislamcheckmychannel Philosophical NATURALISM is the assumption friend.

One distinction all of these different perspectives fail to make - though it is somewhat implied - is that there is a difference between evil and suffering. Suffering can be a result of evil but is not inherently evil in of itself. Surely, for some who do evil, it may give them (at least outwardly or on the surface) great pleasure, even as their evil actions cause great suffering to others. Likewise, suffering can be a choice (or not) that - as with Job, for example - leads to a good. In any case, it would’ve been rewarding to hear from an Eastern philosophical perspective on this topic as Buddhism, for example, has a very different approach to the topic.

In some ways the more we search for the truth, we become further from the truth!✌😎

First, I want to say that this is my favorite show by far. Thank you so much for this. I must add, however, the theists here struggle to give anything more than convoluted rationalizations to defend the indéfendable. Evil, as opposed to natural bad, like natural catastrophes, involves intent-whether mislead or purposeful. It has nothing to do with the misnomer “natural evil”, which I admit, made me smile. I’m amazed at the disingenuous gymnastics exercised by theists here. There is no logical excuse to justify evil in any of the arguments put forward here, excusing an all-loving and all-powerful God. If there are any, please let me know. Fair warning, I would first check ones epistemology before offering an argument... because that will be my point of reference.

@cliveadams7629

2 жыл бұрын

None of it makes any sense. If there's a reason for evil then how come heaven is perfect with no evil or harm? Why not just cut out the incredibly brief (compared to eternity) life on a thoroughly imperfect earth with no real assurance that any aspect of religion is actually correct so there's no guarantee of the outcome and go straight to paradise? They don't think it through these people but then their speil is not aimed at anyone who does think.

@vincentdeporter3140

2 жыл бұрын

@@cliveadams7629 actually, heaven was never perfect. According to the Bible, Satan was already planing to pervert the first couple while in heaven... hence the resulting fallen Angel's later. Nobody ever exposes this, pointing out that the original sin was from humans... the serpent had intent that predates the fall of mankind. Not that I believe in any of it-but as an ex- bible teacher, I can point out the inconsistencies.

@thebacons5943

2 жыл бұрын

With all due respect, your comment is like a germ trying to explain to human being why it cannot exist (although the gulf between yourself and God is infinitely greater)

@dennyworthington6641

Жыл бұрын

Firstly, there's no god. It's estimated that H. sapiens have conjured some 1000 gods over the millennia. There's no reason to believe in any of them. Secondly, I agree with you regarding the mental gymnastics of the theists -- it's actually embarrassing at times. But few people in the comments section, including yourself, seem to realize that the idea of good and bad (evil) is simply a human construct. Good and bad are meaningless qualities outside of human existence. The universe (or nature) is amoral and indifferent to the plight of all living creatures. Nature is not good, nature is not bad, nature just is. This whole idea of "natural evil" is simply nonsense. Is it evil when an earthquake kills thousands of people and animals? Of course not, the earth is a dynamic planet; stuff happens. Is it evil when the trachoma virus causes a human to go blind? Of course not. It's simply part of the virus's natural cycle, and this behavior helps it transmit its genetic material to the next generation, that's all that matters.

@imaking235

11 ай бұрын

⁠@@cliveadams7629Because earth is pretty much God’s way of filtering out the non believers from the true believers. If God wanted to create perfectly obedient robots then yes, earth would be pointless. Animals/ nature wasn’t enough; in his planning process before creating anything he pretty much just wanted one thing: sentient, intelligent, species with free will, that are like him, to choose him 100%. Thats why the idea of “faith” is pretty much the whole point. Believing without seeing is much more appealing to him than believing with seeing; and i dont blame him, think about it, if you were rich and you were to try to find from a group of 10 women to be your wife and 9/10 of these women knew of of your wealth but all 10 of them told you they loved you and wanted to be with you forever, who would you choose? Thats why earth is necessary, its a place where his existence is questioned because he doesn’t reveal himself physically (like you hiding your wealth from the 10 women) but thats how he gets what he’s always wanted, people that truly choose him 100%.

God created evil, allows evil, ergo God is evil.

It's like all living beings and God, we're in this good universe thing together. But some creatures are rocking our boat. You know what to do good earthlings, don't be afraid to get your hands dirty when necessary.

Why can't we simply dispose of the notion of God being all-knowing, all-powerful and all-good? I think we are granting too much to the creator of this world, if such a creator exists. When we ourselves are able to create simulated worlds with characters who can experience real evil themselves, they too will ask the same questions about their creator. And the answer will be mostly obvious - because we creators could do no better. And that is problem enough.

Big fan of the channel! I imagine it’s been explained before but I’m a bit late to the party so forgive my ignorance - why are all videos in this series 26:47 in length?

.. Strange question! Is evil necessary? The answer is obvious is it not? Good could not exist without evil! If you have any belief that we are here for a reason then that reason is surely to be tested, (not necessarily to be judged on our performance). It wouldn't be much of a challenge if there were no negative forces to try to overcome.

@pon2oon

3 жыл бұрын

That's depressing.

If evil is necessary in "God's world", then perhaps it also necessary in Heaven. If evil is not necessary in Heaven, then it shows that God can do anything he likes. He could have designed the world without evil quite easily. And God said, "Let everything be good" and everything was good and he saw that it was good !

One issue they did not raise here is the idea of defining "evil". In other words, if there is not a God then how can we call anything "evil". If the strong kill and eat the weak, so what? By what standard is that "evil". If by genetic accident someone is born with painful defects, how can you say the is "evil"? If there is no God, whatever way the universe has happened to be (by chance) then that is simply the way things are. How could anyone say that anything including pain or suffering is "evil". So in that sense, the question of "If there is a God, how can there be evil?" becomes unanswerable without God.

@Yameen200

2 жыл бұрын

so that just makes it worse. Are you willing to say god is evil for letting these sufferings occur ?

Just like light and darkness, truth and lies we have good and evil. God and evil is the way you carry yourself in life.

I think we need a bigger picture approach. Simply, we call bonding and order "good", and chaos and repulsion "evil". Yet they are all needed because, without chaos and repulsion you have stagnation and stultification. "Good" is just the balancing of these dynamics in our local vicinity. The universe is 13.8b years old. It will continue producing stars for another trillion years. So our reality is very young. A baby, at about 100th of its lifespan. Generally, youthful entities are more chaotic and less balanced than matured ones. So suffering is inevitable for the young. However, suffering may be either overcome or rendered manageable in the far future by "matured life" (which would be post-biological by that time). If God exists, its perspective could be summarised as, "You need to crack eggs to make an omelette".

The basic problem here is that evil has not been defined.

@RickMacDonald19

Жыл бұрын

Evil: Any Conscious Intelligence that takes pleasure in causing and/or witnessing the suffering of others.

@dennyworthington6641

7 ай бұрын

@@RickMacDonald19 ....and what is natural evil?"

@RickMacDonald19

7 ай бұрын

@@dennyworthington6641 First, I don't believe in natural evil, that is to say that I believe the more accurate term would be Natural Suffering. If God created a cyclical evolving universe, one that appears to work through a process of creation and destruction then suffering is inevitable. In addition, suffering is relative, and what is excessive to one may be tolerable to another depending on many factors, such as the overall outcome or Teleology.

@dennyworthington6641

7 ай бұрын

@@RickMacDonald19 Yes, the idea of "natural evil" is nonsensical. And I certainly can't argue against the fact of natural suffering --- since all creatures that have ever lived have suffered to some extent in one form or another. I would, however, take issue with your definition of evil as being "Any Conscious Intelligence that takes pleasure in the suffering of others." (When you say conscious intelligence I hope you're not referring to a god.) Humans are the only intelligently conscious creatures in the known universe that purposely cause injury or suffering to other creatures. You can call this evil, if you like, but it adds nothing to the discussion. The concept of good and bad (evil) is simply a human construct. It has no meaning outside of human existence. The universe (or nature) is amoral and indifferent to the plight of all living creatures. I believe that Spinoza, the great 17th century Dutch philosopher, got it right: God is the universe and there is nothing outside of the universe. This is also Einstein's god. Spinoza and Einstein, two of the greatest minds that evolution ever fashioned, came the "Closest to Truth" of anyone who's ever lived.

@RickMacDonald19

7 ай бұрын

@@dennyworthington6641 I would call God conscious intelligence but I'm not suggesting, nor do I believe that God takes pleasure in any manner relating to the suffering of others. I also believe Spinoza's Pantheist viewpoint makes the most sense, or the Panentheist which is quite similar. Also, I think I am contributing to the conversation as I responded to the original statement claiming the problem is with the definition of evil.

the rabbi had one of the most lasting impressions on me, the theodicies are all pointless if they come into conflict with moral responsibility of the agent. So really the only theodicy that works is the free will theodicy, unsurprisingly it happens to be the least consoling. A theodicy is supposed to explain rationally the existence of evil, and not console us emotionally. The consolation must come from the concept of justice in an afterlife. This still doesn't sit well with me when I see unimaginable suffering and evil in the world, like starving babies, what is the point of that? There has to be more to the creation of the world than just "free will" of agents, the best answer I could find is that the world and existence in itself is the process of God creating himself out of nothing.

@Yameen200

2 жыл бұрын

The problem of evil hinges on the afterlife but it still makes no sense. if i torture you on monday and give you bliss on friday does that make me all loving and good. Can you love me ? How does god compensate starving kids in the afterlife ? By giving them eternal feasts of best food ? I fail to see how this makes up for their actual pain that he let happen.

@hansfrankfurter2903

2 жыл бұрын

@@Yameen200 I don't know, but what I do know is that without the concept of God or something like it, we suffer even more, so it seems liek there is something to it. There are 2 problems with the POE, one is the logical issue. And that one is easy to deal with...God could require freedom simply because without freedom good and evil would be meaningless. Of course the issue now is how much freedom, and why? That's a question I haven't resolved yet. The 2nd problem is the emotional issue. Alot of the theodicies that seem to give us solace like "greater good" or "he deserved it"...etc seem to contradict the desire to stop evil, because now it is accounted for and no reason to stop it. But the idea of some kind of afterlife, some sense of divine justice seems to partially calm us down, without completely accounting for evil, which doesn't take away our moral intuition to go stop it.

@Yameen200

2 жыл бұрын

@@hansfrankfurter2903 nobody disputes the logical problem coz its pointless. The world could be in a world apocalypse where whole of cilivisation has collapsed into savages and ppl would say god has good reasons for allowing this. Well theres plenty of objections to the theodicies dont know if u aware of them. None of them solve the problem. They only say well maybe theres a higher plan after all but ....

@hansfrankfurter2903

2 жыл бұрын

@@Yameen200 My whole point is that the theodicies don't work except the free will theodicy. That takes care mostly of the logical part. Which logically explains why evil exists. The emotional part, is taken care of by the concept of afterlife justice.

@thebacons5943

2 жыл бұрын

He put it so well. Theodicies should justify God, not evil… likewise, evil is irrational and carries no inherent value. It is through belief in God that we can be delivered from the evil that all of can agree does exist

For the people who strongly believe an evils, then after dead will be more important

What I find lacking in the discussion (and I must say I'm not familiar with the show before this episode) is other theological perspectives. It only looks at the Jewish/Christian view of what god is and what evil is. I find this lack limiting for a deep look into the why of evil and of god's relationship to it. I don't know how eastern religious philosophies see evil but I do believe if a complete understanding of it from a theological view is to be enlightened, it is necessary.

This universe is awesome a perfect space in every respect, if not for four riders of apocalypse representing everything that is wrong with it. Imagine a life where you can't ever get old, sick, crippled or die, evil would became meaningless, perhaps only slightly annoying concept. There are also evil things done right in this existence, like why we can't transmute elements at will, control infinite amounts of energy, time travel or travel without movement, so anybody could shape this universe any way he like, but what would be the fun in that? Worst evil of all is we can't became like God, if he exist, he should treat his pets better.

The Uncaused/Unmoved Mover is the Source of all.

I love this man bcz he's a deep thinker

@realistic.optimist

3 жыл бұрын

No, he thinks he is.

@jackmann679

3 жыл бұрын

He is a one of the deepest thinkers.

The problem of "natural evil" in the presence of a loving God can be defended by considering life as a temporary phase in a larger divine plan. If one assumes that this earthly existence is transitory, then premature death or unjust suffering could be seen as part of a broader, unfolding plan that incorporates randomness. Human free will, an integral aspect of moral freedom, allows for choices that may lead to both positive and negative consequences. Additionally, the natural laws governing physics and chemistry introduce an element of randomness, which can result in events causing suffering. From this perspective, the unpredictability in the natural order doesn't necessarily challenge God's love but rather reflects the inherent randomness in a world shaped by physical laws. The temporary nature of life implies that the suffering and injustices experienced here are part of a finite existence. In a broader context, one might argue that God's justice extends beyond this temporary realm, and individuals may find ultimate resolution or redemption in an afterlife. Ultimately, this viewpoint asserts that God's overarching plan accommodates the complexities of human free will, the randomness of natural laws, and the temporary nature of life, suggesting that a loving and just resolution may transcend the challenges faced during our earthly existence.

Human intention and action is implicit in the word evil. Natural disasters and illness are not evil - that should be kept in mind during these discussions.

What an insult to our intelligence! So, Heidi Klauss, who was raped, tortured for many years by her father, his offspring with her, equally suffering. Her constantly beseeching God, yet her calls went unanswered so that what, she may have an even more special place in heaven? It's an inmoral, absolute insult.

@thinkislamcheckmychannel

3 жыл бұрын

Stupid Limiting statements. There are many more options but you need a touch of intelligence or honesty. Your loaded fallacy question are stupid. Sorry.

@ezbody

3 жыл бұрын

@@thinkislamcheckmychannel There is only one option -- NATURAL REALITY. We could easily trace all kinds of evil back to its origin, and every single time we would find a perfectly natural, scientific explanation. It only becomes a problem when there is an attempt to fit the so called "perfect creator" into our utterly imperfect Universe. And this imaginary problem -- the problem of evil -- is itself a harmful side effect of an Ignorant religious mentality, it causes its supporters to engage in blaming some imaginary forces/entities/beings, to rationalize, justify or explain away the various kinds of suffering in this world, instead of acting rationally and work on eliminating as much of suffering as possible.

@thinkislamcheckmychannel

3 жыл бұрын

@@ezbody Shallow rambling

@thebacons5943

2 жыл бұрын

Don’t overestimate our significance in the universe…

I'd say, regarding the Argument from Logic, that: (1) an Entity such as an all-powerful God---who is said to have lived vastly longer than we---must be comparatively more intelligent than are we; and (2) such an Entity might have motives for doing things which are vastly different than we have for the things It undertakes to do. Accordingly, God's reasons for having allowed evil until now to exist might be God: (1a) isn't really all-powerful, or (1b) isn't all-good; (2) doesn't exist to allow or forbid it; (3) has given us the capacity to choose good from evil (rather than program us like robots to only do good); even, by extension: (4) given us free will so as to choose those whom He will ultimately enable to live in a future world wherein only those who've chosen to do good will be able to do so perfectly, w/o being programmed to do so. I, personally, like the fourth possibility. Think of it as a way of filtering out people who choose evil. (Wouldn't you do the same if you were God?) You choose which sounds best, most logical.

An interesting quote on this: "The pairs of opposites alternate and consciousness would hold to the light and annihilate the dark. But from the simultaneous standpoint of the Self in eternity the light and dark colours blend into a harmony whose total effect is so much more splendid than light, or life, or goodness known simply by themselves in the successive order, that the utterly incomparable beauty of the vision makes the most hideous evil experienced in time infinitely worth while.... In our present state of consciousness we are standing, as it were, with our eyes right against the painting, so that we only see one small meaningless patch of colour at a time. But in our eternal state we stand with the whole canvas in view. From this standpoint evil is not evil as we now know it, it is shadow harmonizing with light. We can only guess dimly at the perfection of artistry that is need to harmonize such shadows... The human mind in extremis cannot be expected to think in accord with the infinite understanding of God." The Supreme Identity by Alan Watts

"Is Evil Necessary in God's World?" That is easy: Evil is only necessary in an evil god's world.

I do not believe in God and I never will. However, at one time I thought that all of humanity would be better off in the long run when we have both goodness and evil in this world. I think that all of us as a species are stronger by having this conflict. I would also prefer to re-define evil. To me, evil is limited to lifeforms that intentionally harm lifeforms. As to the difference between my definition of evil and the current standard definition of evil, I don't consider these items evil but rather lessons that we(as a species) have not learned yet. For example, a very young child dying from cancer. Most people would call this an evil. I would rather consider this a lesson that we have not learned yet. This lesson "not learned yet" would be how to put an end to cancer or how to prevent cancer.

ask Nietzsche about that question, he was "beyond good and evil", where the higher good, the higher health is bound to destruction 😉

@neffetSnnamremmiZ

3 жыл бұрын

@@doplardom ask Nietzsche about that question: if evil is necessary for god. Nietzsche was "beyond good and evil", he brought us higher health and good for the price or costs of destruction. So he knew about himself, that he is the most terrible person and same time most charitary person. The higher good is bound to destruction. If "god" would arrive today, everything would be "burned". ✌️

Evil is an actual existence which shows at least evil is possible. But possible things are not have to be actualized. Things could been otherwise. So back to this question, why evil after all in this world?By a byproduct for preserving human freedom?So permits evil. Or by God's intention for actualizing evil in order to some further purposes? So intents and requires evil. What kind of further purposes? The meaning of Evil just like we talk about the meaning of suffering? Maybe we learn a lot from suffering. Or suffering is just a indicator of our lack of freedom as buddhist believe? We suffer because we made it without freedom.

I'm to lazy and unmotivated to fight evil in this life, but i will wake up early and work hard over entire day in eternal afterlife, because than morals will matter and i don't think Heavens will need much maintenance efforts anyway.

I have no trouble understanding man-made evil. I struggle with the Christian depiction of evil as personified by the devil… either way, I do believe in evil and pray that God delivers us from it

God hates evil, if evil is necessary it's because this life is a test ...

"They muddy the water, to make it seem deep." F.N.

Best show on KZread! By the way you can't have up without down.

@Gielderst

3 жыл бұрын

I like your statement. How can there be only good without evil to differentiate it from. I'm not very religious. But i do believe in God. And i think God works in mysterious ways. Which are most likely not meant to be u derstood.

@SamoaVsEverybody814

5 ай бұрын

Yes, but you CAN have reality without neither. Reality is a series of random, chaotic events. Good/Evil are conscious inventions of the human mind.

@bakedcreations8985

5 ай бұрын

@@SamoaVsEverybody814 I'm sure you know the true nature of reality 😁

@SamoaVsEverybody814

5 ай бұрын

@@bakedcreations8985 It's obviously my opinion, but it's where the evidence points. Your theory however has zero basis in what we do know.

@bakedcreations8985

5 ай бұрын

@@SamoaVsEverybody814 yes guru☺️🤣😂

I don’t know. Since there is no god and there can’t possibly be one-the very idea of god is an absurdity-it’s impossible to answer the question-in fact, the question is non-sensible

i think life is circle of events and actions , evil and goodness are part of this circle and both are relative things , meaning what is evil for me can benefit you and vice versa so eliminating any one of them will disturb the flow of this circle so disturbing whole life and the whole point of creating a life . it is like existence of both of them is a must for life to go on .

This is like asking if 'left arm necessary to have'. If Evil is not there, how would you know what Good is?

Thank you!

You can make things so much simpler for yourself if you struggle to resolve the fact of evil, however you define that which is most likely as suffering, by simply removing god from that struggle, and stick with what you can observe. Since you cannot observe god, consider it a speculation, and therefore removable. Once you do that you will find that there is no conflict. Some problems are really that easy to resolve.

depends upon which God we are talking about

I'm a Thiest and a Christian but I don't bye the argument that God is totally free I think that God is constrained and limited in many ways if not creation makes no sense at all.

Great video 📹 👍 evil is a product of imperfect

The physical world / universe exists, in large part, due to duality and the interaction and balance of these opposing / complementary forces. Light - Dark; North - South, Positive - Negative; Right - Wrong, On - Off, Yin - Yang, 1 - 0, Day - Night, Order - Disorder, Good - Evil, Up - Down, True - False, Hot - Cold, Wave - Particle, etc. is observed to be interwoven within the fabric of the "physical world/universe". Thus, the existence of Good would of necessity require the existence of Evil in the physical world / universe, and vice versa. Moreover, the scientifically confirmed property of duality in the physical world / universe would seem to indicate, through the inherent laws that govern it, the existence of a Prime Observer / Cause."

Without 'struggle of life', there would be NO physical and spiritual development/evolution. There would be no Ego, which is absolutely necessary for survival. The old time machine movie (1960), everybody is sitting in the garden, and a woman is drowning, nobody goes to help her, because there is no need, everything is taken care of. Paradise, no hunger, no disease, no old age, no need to work, etc... Basically, a farm for meat, which is what it was( A perfect example of why socialism or communism, does not work)

@tothesciencemobile4707

3 жыл бұрын

If the absence of struggle is to be seen as a negative then what is one to make of heaven (where, presumably, the notion of soul building thru struggle would be absent [especially when newborns 'die' and get into heaven scot-free])?

Please do a video on NDE..

Our Consciousness is aware of good and bad even if we don't believe in God or Satan and we are capable of doing both depending on our feelings and emotions like how happy or bitter and angry we are.

Another theodicy: If one accepts the common belief that God is omnipotent, then one must accept that God must have intimate first hand knowledge of all possible outcomes leading from Alpha to Omega, to fulfill the definition of omnipotence.

God's growing actual goodness, which brings about nature and humanity created potential goodness through free will, itself grows out of God's fullness in divine being.

Evil is a consequence of freewill and ignorance Giving up freewill for God's will, is final state of Nirvana

@ferdinandkraft857

3 жыл бұрын

You can't give up free will. Even if you are doing somebody else's will, you're doing it at your own will. And you can stop anytime.

@cvsree

3 жыл бұрын

@@ferdinandkraft857 that's true until we have thoughts, since thoughts effect our will. But, when thoughts are stilled, we see God's will and can let go of ego

Nature is not evil, nature is a law of physics which includes random occurrences

@DreGotHandz

2 жыл бұрын

Animals eat each other alive, why aren't they all plant eating animals

Evil exists so, there is no God. But then, where does goodness come from?

The greatest gift a creator can bestow upon its creations is free will. If you give free will to creatures, they are going to screw up. EVERBODY makes mistakes. Evil is a value judgment. Mistakes are made by everyone, that's how we learn. This sounds whiny to me.

@ferdinandkraft857

3 жыл бұрын

The problem is that innocent people are subject to evil from others.

@nothanksnoname7567

3 жыл бұрын

@@ferdinandkraft857 So are innocent antelope. Pick a creature, and it most likely has predators that want to rip it apart for sustenance and/or sport.

@ferdinandkraft857

3 жыл бұрын

@@nothanksnoname7567 Exactly. That's why the idea of a benevolent God is contradictory.

Evil interferes Man’s Free Will i and evil influence Man’s Right and power to choose.

Or may be, initially there is neither evil nor good, and humanity is created to define it?

@johnbrzykcy3076

3 жыл бұрын

That's an interesting idea.

@godofleverege1829

3 жыл бұрын

Nope evil exists in gods knowledge there is always that wisdom in his mind

This is a fallen world.. a corrupt world.. we chose to rebel rather than trust our creator in the garden! He allows it because we chose it!

@ferdinandkraft857

3 жыл бұрын

I didn't choose it.

Of course I'm not sure. I used to be religious myself, and have always sought answers, but I am not willing to not question everything. I am curious if theres a possibility of god creating the universe because that's what god does while simultaneously fully understanding the probabilities. Just like we create because that's our nature. Just like our actions and decisions have an endless amount of probabilities, so does the universe which may be in accordance with the nature of god, and has an endless amount of probabilities as well. So evil is a natural probability within the spectrum of human possibilities base on human decision, and is a natural consequence of creating something with probabilities. As far as natural disasters, that may be another possibility within the probabilities incurred when creating a universe. So the intention may be for good in that our nature is to do good, but we have the possibility of being bad because our nature and its probabilities are set in motion. This kind of is along the lines of deism, but why would a being want to make you so dependent that you cant walk on your own 2 feet.

@mazen1010

3 жыл бұрын

Without darkness all the different shades and colors of light will not appear.

The "physical world/universe" exists, in large part, due to duality and the interaction and balance of these opposing forces. Light - Dark; North - South, Positive - Negative; Right - Wrong, On - Off, Yin - Yang, 1 - 0, Day - Night, Order - Disorder, Good - Evil, Up - Down, True - False, Male - Female, Hot - Cold, Wave - Particle, etc. is observed to be interwoven within the fabric of the "physical world/universe". Thus, the existence of Good would of necessity require the existence of Evil in the physical world/universe, and vice versa. Moreover, the scientifically confirmed property of duality in the physical world/universe does not preclude the existence of a Prime Observer/Cause.

I struggle to reconcile the Genesis account with the science of evolution. Genesis says that all was paradise until man sinned. The evidence says, There was never a paradise.

@johnbrzykcy3076

3 жыл бұрын

What evidence denies a "paradise"?

@randomblueguy

3 жыл бұрын

@John Brzykcy What evidence denies that Zeus is right now controlling all thunder across the globe?

@johnbrzykcy3076

3 жыл бұрын

@@randomblueguy I don't know. In fact, I can't deny or verify that Zeus is right now, or ever did, control all thunder across the globe ( or across the street ). Are you a big fan of Zeus?

@norcal_faithful775

3 жыл бұрын

My hypothesis is that when modern consciousness emerged around 70k years ago we first perceived our animalistic behavior and thus became man. This also coincides with a bottleneck in human populations worldwide where our species was nearly wiped out. My belief is that the extreme survival behaviors we had to adopt (cannibalism, incest, etc.) to survive permanently changed us. The pressures of extreme survival led to development of a mind that can rationalize itself and justify its actions. We have a genetic form of ptsd and it is the reason we are the way we are.

@johnbrzykcy3076

3 жыл бұрын

@@norcal_faithful775 Very interesting idea.

It's a short walk between theodicy and a sanatorium.

Presumably, God hasn't got free will. He cannot sin.

So basically theists would like us to believe that for their god, the end justifies the means. So evil is fine as it leads to somr greater good. Yet they present no proof for the claim. At the same time they find it appalling for people to justify means with an end. This is inconsistent, you cannot have a cake and eat it. If the end justifies the means then god is immoral. Otherwise he's evil by allowing so much evil. Either way no point in believing in such a being.

@FortYeah

3 жыл бұрын

Evil only exists in man's view. Just like beauty, north, cold or left. But in God's perspective, there would be no right, no left, no high, no low, and no good and no evil. But because of our limited mode of perception (our inherent dualism according to Eastern philosophy), not only we can't realize that we are not seperated from God - I'd prefer to use uncreated consciousness - , we also can't realize that we are sparkles of God ourselves. It is a too short and simple résumé of Buddhism but a coherent one, coherent because it reconciliates the problem of evil with the existence of an uncreated consciousness that isn't subjected to dualism - otherwise it wouldn't be uncreated -, without a beginning and without an end; outside the space/time we take for granted.

Evil is absolutely unintended and unnecessary. Although God created everything that is a creation, which evil is not, he does not rule over an evil world or a world of evil. Someone else does. God will remove all evil in the very near future after and when important universal issues involving spirits and mankind are settled.

I ask why evil exists too, evil rips through this world like a plague.

In one way which may be naive is looking back in history at warfare which concerns horror, and evil yet that evil is responsible for most, or at least many technological advances, which have created good

Yin and yang. One is not without the other.

According to islamic philosophy, absolute evil does not exist, evil is just absense of good, evil is relative concept

Would be nice to hear Rabbi Mannus Friedman perspective ....I'm sure his in Brooklyn......The guy i think is got deeper understand....or is it??????

for what reason god exist? came to existence with the begining of the universe or before?

Natural evil was caused by the fall. We don't realize how evil our disobedience to God is. We all deserve hell and any disaster we face on earth pales in comparison to that people will face in hell

Why would animals suffer because of the sin of Eve? That does not make sense

The problem of evil requires mitigating factors. I think there are three important ones. First, for there to be life, the potential for evil is necessary. Second, free will is a good thing so bad things can happen. Third, and I think decisive is the question of who suffers? In a Divine Idealism and Aspect Monism it is literally God who lives each life and suffers. God chose to take on finite existence and live. This also means that God both causes evil and feels its effects as well as causing the good and feeling those effects. dlcommunion.org/%20the-problem-of-evil/

To complete the picture, one should include eastern philosophies - Hindu, Buddhist, etc.

@Arunava_Gupta

3 жыл бұрын

True. This program is a little bit deficient in that respect.

@melgross

3 жыл бұрын

It’s too much to include. This is from a western viewpoint. There are channels that take it from an eastern viewpoint that don’t include western viewpoints. Pick your poison. I think that all theistic viewpoints are nonsense. Equally.

@Arunava_Gupta

3 жыл бұрын

@@melgross Why so? Curious to know.

@natmirmira8329

3 жыл бұрын

As the quest is for getting closer to the truth, and truth can lie anywhere, it is important to consider all views.

@Arunava_Gupta

3 жыл бұрын

@@natmirmira8329 Absolutely. I agree completely. Very fine comment.

Which god? Last count there were 6,000

Asking the wrong question. Evil and good do not exist. Its subjective and the universe doesn't care for what your opinion of evil is.

Is the Bible the word of God? In my opinion, words of God may be peppered and interspersed through out, but it isn't his finale, definitive word. Nor can you trust all the things attributed to God, and some words alleged to have come out of his own mouth. However, in the Bible, God is quoted as saying that indeed it was he who created evil from the beginning, thusly taking full credit or responsibility for it. This can be found in at least two places, in two or three different books. One is in proverbs, the other is somewhere in the book of Isaiah.

Evil is not necessary for nature and humanity which have potential goodness from being created by God who has growing actual goodness; and existence of evil during the development of nature and humanity falling short of God's growing actual goodness is not as catastrophic as made out to be. Possible that there is more evil than needs to be when we make evil out to be more dire than it is and then in trying to correct or mitigate evil we overdo it and in the process visit even more evil upon ourselves and nature.

Why didn't Robert ask Swinburne about natural evil?

God did not create evil. God does not desire that conscious personalities suffer torture. However, the conscious personalities themselves fall into matter (out of their own free will) becoming attracted to matter and neglecting God which makes them forget their own indestructible, eternal, blissful natures and yearn for union, as it were, with matter. And it is this union with matter of the conscious personality that produces pain and affliction in the latter (alongwith of course pleasure). Devotion to God makes us realize our own divine, blissful nature and provides unlimited joy and is the only way out of the sorrow of material existence. Once the path of pure joyful devotion to God is embraced by the conscious personality, he, in due course, becomes enlightened and, after death, never again falls into painful matter. This is because his consciousness has now become (permanently) rooted in the spiritual rather than the material.

Thank God plants don't feel pain.

@Kaldronicprime

3 жыл бұрын

Joshua Adam Stith AKA KZread Librarian you don’t know that for sure because you can’t communicate with plants to confirm your assumption.

@joshuaadamstithakayoutubel2490

3 жыл бұрын

@@Kaldronicprime Yeah, all I know is that humans don't need anesthesia during brain surgery (after the skin is penetrated [not sure why it doesn't still hurt]).

Leibniz’s Theodicy talks about this. I’m sure internet atheists don’t know about it, as they generally do not know anything about philosophy.

@ldsaunders8021

3 жыл бұрын

I'm an atheist, and I am on the internet. I also enjoy philosophy. However, I definitely know the type of atheist you are referring to because they constantly claim I am a closet theist when I disagree with them. They are often as irrational as a flat-Earther.

@Darksaga28

3 жыл бұрын

LD Saunders glad to hear that. Really, I don’t want to convince anyone, I just want to have a nice discussion about these topics. (I’m a classical theist, no religion).

@ldsaunders8021

3 жыл бұрын

@@Darksaga28 I also enjoy intelligent discussions, but it's hard to have one on social media, since people seem overly concerned with being popular within a group. While I am an atheist, I am not an anti-theist and understand there are a number of valid reasons why a person may be religious and/or a theist --- like trying to find meaning in life.

@johnbrzykcy3076

3 жыл бұрын

@@ldsaunders8021 I like your observations. I agree 100% although I'm a questioning christian.

@ldsaunders8021

3 жыл бұрын

@@johnbrzykcy3076 Thanks for your comment. There is nothing wrong with being a questioning Christian. I think the problems start when people no longer have questions.

It’s a quality control thing

The only argument that would favor the theistic position in this case is that God's ways are higher than our ways. The problem is if there is a God how would one determine this?