I didn't mean for the video to end up being 15 minutes, but it just sort of kept on going. My bad. Let me know your guesses for the new DLC Character announcement tomorrow!

@nnemmesiss

4 жыл бұрын

Don't worry about it, I could listen to you for hours lol

@harrym3673

4 жыл бұрын

Steve

@cereal7591

4 жыл бұрын

Oooh, the next DLC character, I'm guessing... Actually you know what? I'm more interested in potential Kirby buffs. I don't want to get my hopes up, but c'mon! Mah boi Kirby deserves them and is about damn time!

@gearsoftime9375

4 жыл бұрын

Waluigi

@benplum5278

4 жыл бұрын

It’s definitely not going to happen, but I really want either waddle dee or hollow knight

That moment you realise Ganon's dair is faster than Kirby's 0_0

@Liam-ly1rr

4 жыл бұрын

Wait.. ganon dair comes out faster than kirby's?

@Account-1536

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah it’s frame 16 לאם ליבוביץ

@penzfgc8009

4 жыл бұрын

lmaooooo

@karlcossaboon7072

4 жыл бұрын

@@Liam-ly1rr watch the video He showed every single aerial that is slower than kirby's dair Notice how there is only about 15 of them Considering that there is about 400 aerials in the game since each character has 5 aerials... Thats REALLY slow

@GSFigure

4 жыл бұрын

Lmaooooo -@@penzfgc8009 2020

Funny how a new patch is coming soon, so this video could become outdated...

@Juggleboy

4 жыл бұрын

Might as well get it out now before it's completely unusable!

@isaacsmith3998

4 жыл бұрын

Tbh, I don't think they'll improve this move. It's very viable at elite smash level, which is what they balance for.

@Luigiofthegods

4 жыл бұрын

#BringBackFrameCanceling

@16ktsgamma

4 жыл бұрын

Kirby Down Air buff here we come.

@juanalvarado4723

4 жыл бұрын

Hopefully

This covered basically every point I could think of. Extremely good analysis! (and thanks for the shoutout!) I really like how you approach this kind of discussion.

This was a much better explanation than "dair sucks."

Oh, look, it's me! I also made the DAir advantage doc, and to briefly explain the "opponent's position matters" thing: The numbers listed in the Landing DAir portion of the doc are the absolute minimum advantage we can get. However, if the opponent lands, we get some extra, inconsistent advantage. Take Bowser for example: if he didn't land, he'd only be +1. Although he is forced to land, hitting the final hit before the landing hit and/or the Bowser SDIing down means our minimum advantage when he lands is +3, 1 frame off UTilt. Some characters are never forced to land and that number will always apply. As a side note, the way the multi-hits send certain characters can make the landing hit just... miss? One of the worst offenders in my experience is Captain Falcon. It has to do with their hurt animation and hurtbox shifting, but it's overall just kind of weird that this is another problem on top of its many others.

@ROYEWITHNOE

4 жыл бұрын

No subs i guess I’ll sub :)

[11:30] Ah, I remember atiedebee. After the video, they came over to the Kirby discord to speak their mind, but then we started lecturing them on the uselessness of dair and they soon became one of us. Glad to see that some of us are open to arguments, unlike some people that just don't listen to other points.

@Juggleboy

4 жыл бұрын

Wow, truly a feel good story for the ages! I felt kinda bad using them as an example. But they had 55 likes on their comment, so that meant that a lot of people also feel the same way

@staticchimera44

4 жыл бұрын

@@Juggleboy That's understandable. To be fair, I'm surprised so many people agreed with the whole dair > fsmash thing anyway.

@TrueLimeyhoney

4 жыл бұрын

I was skeptical after that video, but man this video was so well put together that it countered any argument I could have, so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ I guess I agree now.

@RoboSparkle

4 жыл бұрын

@@staticchimera44 dair > fsmash works really well against the CPUs in World of Light. Depends on your frame of reference I guess?

@MrShifty1

4 жыл бұрын

@RoboSparkle Hammer Flip works in World Of Light

Dair is too slow (frame 18 start up). If it were faster, it'd be one of his best moves. It's great for catching certain recoveries, and randomly clanks with things that most people don't expect it to. Nair may be a better general edge guard tool, but Dair can be used to drag he opponent down for an early stock by stringing multiple Dairs together (this is pretty character specific though). It's "combos" most of which aren't technically true, but some of them are pretty close to true, and they are easier to perform than comboing off of his other aerials (at least for me.) Overall, It's far from his best move, but I also think it's significantly more useful than his worst (probably hammer flip). It seems more of a middle of the pack move that has just solidified itself as a part of Kirby's identity in my opinion, so people form strong opinions about it. And for those that are curious, Kirby's best move is 100% squish kick (that's the official name of his down tilt) The move is dope.

@Nathan-yu7cu

4 жыл бұрын

Also if the spike killed earlier than 99999%

@Endershock1678

4 жыл бұрын

Oh no contest it's squish kick.

@cag_0k642

4 жыл бұрын

Jack Surine That is the most adorable name for a move ever

@chukwuemekaacho9507

4 жыл бұрын

One time stringed a bunch of Dairs together but got too greedy and went for on last Dair then I fast fell and then I hear game look who won and it showed little Mac 55%

@kwayke9

4 жыл бұрын

Make it frame 9 and Kirby jumps 15 spots

Give it less startup (maybe around frame 15), make the spike stronger (spike hitbox deals more damage with no compensation on knockback), and give it less landing lag (12 or 13 frames). There will probably be a lot of people claiming this is unnecessary, but I do very much agree that this is quite possibly the most overrated move in Ultimate. It's definitely not as bad as hammer in my opinion, but it’s still a definite contender for his worst move.

@djdrizzy9139

4 жыл бұрын

Make it frame 11-12, then add everything else you said. Imagine the combos man, we'll have real foot loops!

@chesslo2158

4 жыл бұрын

Frame 11 would still be mediocre for aerials, make it frame 8

@djdrizzy9139

4 жыл бұрын

@@chesslo2158 Not really in this case. Frame 11 isn't that slow for this kind of move; it'll be a lingering hit box that will lead into massive pillar combos onstage and excellent pressure offstage. Frame 11 is pretty fair all things considered. (But if course I'd like it to be even faster than that, but remember 64 dair?)

@chesslo2158

4 жыл бұрын

DJ Drizzy remember the spike doesn’t kill until 120%+ Then again it might mess with some combos, but I feel like a stronger spike might have more potential offstage

@lazykirby57

4 жыл бұрын

@@chesslo2158 by kill do you mean completely KO? If so then you really don't need an instant kill. Characters like mario or marth when hit with kirbys d-air at around 70 can be sent low enough so their up b doesn't make it. Also because of Kirby's multiple jumps, you can keep hitting them until they can't recover. It works for me.

Can I argue that killing someone with it his a hard disrespect

@Astraaaaaaaaaaa

4 жыл бұрын

Winning with kirby when they use a good character is disrespectful

@lazykirby57

4 жыл бұрын

@@Astraaaaaaaaaaa I always wonder how top tier mains feel, knowing they lost to the worst character

@chesslo2158

4 жыл бұрын

LazyKirby57 If someone thinks Kirby is the worst then I’ll be baffled, he still needs buffs but there’s literally no way he’s absolutely the worst

@lazykirby57

4 жыл бұрын

@@chesslo2158 Almost every tier list video has. Him in dead last, if not, second to last place. I wouldn't be surprised if he was considered to be the worst character by the fandom. As bad as mac is in the air, his ground game makes up for that. Kirbys pros just barley balance out his cons, if at all.

@chesslo2158

4 жыл бұрын

LazyKirby57 Mr. R and Glutonny put him in C tier and Dabuz puts him as the second-best bottom tier in their most recent tier lists, ESAM puts him as the best 4.0 character. I’d have to disagree by a fair amount since his results are more impressive than some of the low and even mid tier characters (Brawler, Swordfighter, Dorf, Puff, K. Rool). He’s one of the only characters in the game that can be used to legitimately fight Palutena, which is why Komota beat Jumpsteady (the latter is probably the best Palu player in SoCal). Aside from her, he can also do well against Fox, Lucina, space animals, Ness, and Wii Fit. His crouch is surprisingly strong and his defensive/ground game is equally as strong because of his fast frame data and moves that chain fluently. As for Mac his ground game is excellent as well but having a nonexistent air game means his flaws will overpower him. Even his ground game has issues (short range and vulnerable to combos due to his fast falling speed). Ganon has an air game. Corrin has one. K. Rool as well. Every character except Mac can at least function in one way or more in the air. I’m quite surprised that people don’t put Dorf as the worst tbh.

Dang bro U had me at Frame 18 I thought it was a LOT faster than that I haven't touched kirby or played against a kirby for a while But man hes even worse than I thought he was...

@chesslo2158

4 жыл бұрын

Karl Cossaboon Just because a move is not useful doesn’t necessarily mean a character is bad Would I say Squirtle’s up smash makes him a bad character?

@majic144p

4 жыл бұрын

I mean, Kirby isn't..un-viable but, he sure as hell isn't top tier

@chesslo2158

4 жыл бұрын

Mina L exactly Kirby might need buffs but that’s going too far if one would say he’s worse than his smash 4 counterpart

@NZsaltz

4 жыл бұрын

@@chesslo2158 Yeah, but basically almost everyone was buffed. Compared to other characters, he's bad.

@chesslo2158

4 жыл бұрын

Noah Saltz Which is not the case. His buffs in 6.0.0 were pretty huge, which in turn, greatly improved his results. Yeah they’re not great, but those are more impressive than some of the low and even mid tier characters. Literally everything (except down air and maybe his grabs) he had in Smash 4, he got better at. Fsmash has more range and KO power. Inhale, neutral/up air are hella lot more useful. His MU spread is better. His playerbase isn’t as reliant on a few specific players. His results are superior. Some characters “improved” haven’t gotten the degree of success Kirby has gotten. Ganon, Swordfighter, Brawler - gimme one notable result they had last month.

This is my favorite smash ultimate video. Super Liked and Favorited!

I think a big reason why people tend to gravitate towards kirby's dair is because it's a multihit. Multihits tend to be overused for whatever reason by newer players (ness fair, yoshi dair, etc) even when they really aren't that useful compared to the character's other options.

@entity-hp3xw

4 жыл бұрын

I guess it just feels satisfying. It tricks you into thinking you do more damage or have the opponent under your control. Even now I love hearing the sound of rapid slappery.

@krillissue

4 жыл бұрын

*RAPID SLAPPERY*

@cre6144

4 жыл бұрын

@@dubiouslittlecreature908 true, but the characters definitely have better options than those in most circumstances

@anthonywashington2469

4 жыл бұрын

But Ness fair is one is his best moves...

@marcogarcia7944

4 жыл бұрын

Cre ness fair is pretty good so is yoshi,s dair the reason kirby dair is bad is because of the startup lag

Kirby's dair is my favorite casual move since the people I play against cannot handle multi-hits that well and it always follows up with u-tilt

2:15 Up-B spammers goes into the step between the two imo

@skeletonskeleton9010

4 жыл бұрын

Same with Game and Watch

@Meuhy

4 жыл бұрын

@@skeletonskeleton9010 Game and watch up b is one of his best option out of shield and can get you out of disadvantage for free, so it's common to see people using it over and over even at high level play.

@skeletonskeleton9010

4 жыл бұрын

@@Meuhy I know, I am one.

@Meuhy

4 жыл бұрын

@@skeletonskeleton9010 I was just trying to say that it's not the same with game and watch. Up b is not an intermediate level bad habit/gimmick that only works on people that don't know how to deal with it, it's just good.

@karlcossaboon7072

4 жыл бұрын

@@skeletonskeleton9010 no that's like 4 steps later Cuz that move is frame 3 out of sheild That's the quickest out of sheild option in the game... Its MAD good

I'm glad you made this video. Captured my feelings for the move perfectly. I understand that people in Kirbycord were trying to fight the misinfo but it felt like it made it worse when only the bad points are mentioned. Good stuff.

that dair comes out after a short cinematic intro

So you could say DAIR wouldn’t FAIR well in competitive play

@lolthecapes8761

4 жыл бұрын

Leave this chat

@local_catgirl3344

4 жыл бұрын

it's a bit of a DAIR-ING move if you ask me

@temp1326

4 жыл бұрын

ok Mario

@danieldavid3766

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah, and if you DAIR to use NAIR, then it would FAIR much better since the move's frame data is more BAIR-able. I'm not sorry

@hobbes9631

4 жыл бұрын

I like this guy

Great time to mention this, I was just starting to finish up my video and this is great to see you cover

Me, comboing dair into dair: *This is the epitome of skill*

so. What I’m forming is that hammer is clearly worse with all of this laid out LOL

@dddmemaybe

4 жыл бұрын

hammer is bad. but fully charged it kills like a Hero critical f-smash lol. So it barely makes up for being useless by killing at ~55% against standard weight. Fully charged it has 8 invulnerable frames and 8 super armor frames as well during the release of the move.

@xxmegagallade47

4 жыл бұрын

dddmemaybe i know I’m knit picking but it’s only 6 frames of super armor

@dddmemaybe

4 жыл бұрын

@@xxmegagallade47 oh I thought I read 8

@HopperDragon

4 жыл бұрын

@@dddmemaybe It's not comparable to a hero crit fsmash when you have to stand around charging it for an hour before letting it rip. Nobody in the world above the age of 6 has ever been hit by a fully charged hammer flip.

@dddmemaybe

4 жыл бұрын

@@HopperDragon yea but what if he waits lol. It's bad, but it does its bad job well at obliterating you if the cosmos allow it.

and then, 6 months later, you made a combo video entirely about dair

"When you first pick up the controller, and you discover Kirbys Down-B. At first it seems BUSTED" Damn why do you gotta call me out like that, my first main was Kirby and all I used was Down-B 😭

@Juggleboy

4 жыл бұрын

Hey, I was in the same boat. No shame!

@hodihoden

4 жыл бұрын

everybody was once in this boat

@karlcossaboon7072

4 жыл бұрын

Bro If u are a kirby fan who hasn't ever played smash bros And u pick up smash bros And dont start doing this ( and play better than doing that )... Then you are the next MKLeo Literally everyone did this lmao I had 1000 battles in smash 4 and still did this I diddnt know any moves that weren't specials existed that entire time... Everyone did this

@MidnightUmbra

4 жыл бұрын

@@karlcossaboon7072 bro If you come across a comment thats clearly a joke And dont realize its a joke Then youre the next Beavis and Butthead Theres no reason to be rude

@MidnightUmbra

4 жыл бұрын

I know everyone did this that was literally the whole point of the quote

Thank you for making this video it single-handedly and the argument between me and my cousin on what his best move was

Kirby dair is great in the sense that yoshi dair is good, its very good at reading players who are setting up landing aerials. So if you read an ike approaching with fh because he wants to land with nair, you do a preemptive fh dair and now you have a big punish

@miniyodadude6604

4 жыл бұрын

But once again fair or bair is a better option

"Kirby's Dair is his worst move." Mockrock: "... no."

I feel educated. I shall use this knowledge to my advantage!

wow, a 15 minute video on a single move, i like dis

As soon as the rock was mentioned, it hit me why, haha. Good vid, appreciated a more indepth explanation why.

Great video, I'll be sure to send people here instead of explaining this problem myself from now on.

Full Kirby move tierlist coming soon?

@Juggleboy

4 жыл бұрын

I actually put one out back in july! The buffs to kirby in 6.0 changed it a little bit, basically bumping up nair a tier or two, and up air one tier up, jab up a few spots, and inhale up a few spots. Those moves also indirectly caused down air to probably get bumped down a little bit.

@DavidKyokushin

4 жыл бұрын

@@Juggleboy Ooh interesting, imma check it out thanks!

Thank you for making this video. I didn't really understand why that was his worst move and the fact that the Kirby discord just said "dair sucks. moving on" and didn't really explain why it was his worst move (at least from what PJiggles showed us) lead to most people (myself included) to believe they were just trolling. This explains it well although I still think that Hammer flip is worse.

When pjiggles said that kirby's worst move is Dair I was like "wait what the fuck"

That comment arguing about samus jab is also incorrect lol Anyone who doesn’t play samus in this game always says jab is the worst move in her kit because it doesn’t combo, but the thing is, jab1 has less lag on it than a majority of other jabs in the game. This makes it a remarkable interruption tool that lets her poke and run, or poke and see how the opponent reacts much better than anyone else’s jab. If they try to jab you in between, you can jump over to cross up bair, or you can run back and pivot grab. Since it’s her quickest grounded option, it’s crucial for her. Homing missiles on the other hand sucks ass. Everything PJiggles mentioned applies. Sure they “apply pressure” but most projectiles are intended to make the opponent move away or combo into other things. Homing missiles, with their terrible turning radius, high lag, and the ability to swat them out of the sky for free, don’t really make the opponent move. Hell most of the time they don’t need to move out of the way to avoid them, the missiles just miss them anyway lmao. Homing missiles have 3 uses really, for some slight cover when recovering, and for covering certain platforms at certain angles, and for baiting out reflectors before shooting a charge shot at the reflected missile to blow through it because they’re that weak. That’s about it. Jab legit has more usability. However, in SOME matchups homing missiles are kind of useful

@c_weir753

4 жыл бұрын

I completely agree I use jab way more than homing missile. And there is no sound argument for jab 1 being bad maybe jab 2

@petery6432

4 жыл бұрын

@@c_weir753 Arguing that jab 2 is her worst move makes perfect sense because multi-jab was Sheik's worst move and jab 3 was Ryu, Ken, and Terry's worst move.

7:38 I remember my days of f smash out of shield, those were simpler times

I like how you explained this for casual and advanced players

7:09 I don’t know why but your voice sounded so feminine when you said using it on stage

@ssbuaaron3077

4 жыл бұрын

Cracking up lmao

@squatcopper

4 жыл бұрын

He fronted his tongue too much and created a "gay S" for a second lol. Happens to the best of us

@Juggleboy

4 жыл бұрын

​@@squatcopper On a usual recording session I get like 5 of these. I edit most of them out where I can, but some slip through. I have no idea why it happens so much

Could I just say that this video is very well made and thought out and also that you could probably use dair as a mixup since it comes out so much later than his other aireals.

@analyticalj8687

4 жыл бұрын

Lasagevev0 While that is true, i think dair is too telegraphed to be used as a mix up

It might not be Kirby’s best move, but it’s for sure an amazing dair. Most daris don’t combo, and has a way smaller hitbox. The move is also super easy to use off stage, and can be used multiple times (and Kirby can go deep af off stage). For characters with linear recoveries (alot), you can literally cheese people at 0. This is even the case at top level Kirby play, competitive wise.

The length was mostly necessary. Also, thank you.

Even Mii swordfighter's dair is better. Comes about 4 frames faster, stays out for 20 frames, is bigger and I believe has more hitlag making it more useful to edge guard. All of that for only 4 more frames of ending lag

@rensaito9009

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah but who uses swordfighter ;)

@monoko1234

4 жыл бұрын

@@rensaito9009 Someone that trying to main over 10 character. (me) applies to any other Miis. (still me)

@rensaito9009

4 жыл бұрын

@@monoko1234 rip

@rensaito9009

4 жыл бұрын

@@monoko1234 try to main top/high mid tiers bro, like luigi peach or fun characters like mario

@monoko1234

4 жыл бұрын

@@rensaito9009 Some of my mains are Yoshi, PKMN Trainer and Bowser. So I already did it.

The basic gist I’m getting is that dair is a good move that would be much more appreciated on another character. Very comprehensive, though a quick overview of how hammer and stone compare might’ve been good for people to draw their own conclusions about that. I had to dip into the Kirbycord to confirm what people were saying about hammer in the comments, and I think that a lot of people would be too stubborn to do that. From an non-kirby player’s perspective, I gravitate towards stone as the best of the three. Dair might be a lifesaver in some matchups, but stone seems like it’d be more a more consistent punish tool against all sorts of predictable recoveries, making it a bit more general use- I’ll take one free heavy hit on a recovering opponent over something potentially nasty but inconsistent, especially at high percents or against characters that don’t want to recover high. Not to mention you could use it offstage when recovering high yourself... Hammer at ledge seems like it could be potentially really fun even if it’s not necessary. You could theoretically base your playstyle around getting your opponents offstage and killing them stupid early at ledge, if you’re confident with your hard reads. That seems more valuable in the right hands than dair as well, being totally honest.

@PrincessYaura

2 жыл бұрын

Tbh stone is great for mind games because you can cancel out, people get underneath, and then you can do it agaib

Dair isn't brilliant. But Kirby's worst move is a tossup between Falcon Punch and Rollout

@Keeby.

4 жыл бұрын

na falcon punch and warlock punch

@Simon-hs7ik

3 жыл бұрын

@@Keeby. warlock punch is crazy shield break punish

@Keeby.

3 жыл бұрын

@@Simon-hs7ik so is kirbys side b

@Simon-hs7ik

3 жыл бұрын

@@Keeby. kill at 0 vs kill at 15 plus if you have warlock punch you'll never use side B for punish

@Keeby.

3 жыл бұрын

@@Simon-hs7ik kirbys inhale is literally better then warlock punch if youre trying to argue warlock punch is good you havent played smash comp

Great video

What's funny is I clicked on this video remembering the PJiggles video.

Kirby's d-air spike for me usually is good for gimping bad recoveries, and sometimes combos.

Great video, I knew dair wasn't all that amazing, but I didn't knew it was that underwhelming either, and nair is better than I thought.

I didn't know it was frame 18 that makes so much more sense why its considered bad. I still find hammer flip to be a lot worse considering how it has zero uses and dair is good for gimping bad recoveries and recoveries without a hitbox.

Nice explanation bro

I mean, I’m still gonna use it

I still think stone is worse as a move Hammer has its uses and a surprising amount of people will get hit by it

@dddmemaybe

4 жыл бұрын

But vertical recoveries man. In some instances stone is free damage like Bowser using flames at ledge on some characters, but on others it makes them not have a vertical recovery past 100%.

@atomicwiththreeos

4 жыл бұрын

dddmemaybe Fair point, and I’ve changed my opinion lol

I absolutely appreciated the longer video, and I absolutely wanted more in-depth analysis and I will die on that hill. Thank you SO much for this video! I will have to check out SK's videos as well. I would have liked a list of matchups that Kirby can and can't edgeguard easily with Dair, but I guess I'll have to find that out in the field! I have 6.2 million GSP with Kirby, and you are the reason why.

Kirby main that relies on dair here. Happy to say I’ll be trying things from this vid to improve

I get it, the tiny sparrow was undercover to witness kirby to go down 🙀

If we wanna make Kirby stronger, making his meteor knockback stronger, and making it faster overall is a decent way to buff It could also get an updated hitbox to help it more

i just use it because i like the sound kirby makes when you do it

They seriously just need to shave off several frames of startup, or making it way stronger so it makes sense to be that slow. There's NO reason it should be as slow as it is, especially for a lightweight like Kirby.

3:16 this gets worse the longer you look at it

So no one from the discord justified their reason? They just said dair’s bad huh

@chesslo2158

4 жыл бұрын

SuperCheezpuff They did it’s just that you don’t see their explanation in some of the replies to them. In the meantime here’s a link that will link you to everything useful about Kirby. They ain’t trolling. discordapp.com/invite/pNdppAu

Before the reveal as to why Kirby mains consider D-Air his worst move I was just guessing on why it would be that way and my only real guess was the startup since it ain't that fast

You forgot to add that the hitadvantage is inconsistent. Depending on when you land you can lose / gain around 2 frames if advantage. Atleast that's what I heard in the Kirby cord. A lot of the combos can also be escaped by SDI'ing up. Sorry for misinforming some people about the f smash thing it always worked for me so I thought it was true. Anyways great video xd

The air comes out of the narrow part of the Gust Bellows.

@Juggleboy

4 жыл бұрын

You're right. i didnt even notice!

So i get why dair sucks. I dont understand why hammer is better.

@Richadkimchi

4 жыл бұрын

@Healer Philantrophe woah does it reach below for drop down aerials from ledge?

@lazykirby57

4 жыл бұрын

@Healer Philantrophe ok but heres this. Legit every character (maybe not Incineroar) has a projectile attack or move that outranges hammer. How the hell are you gonna get it to hit without dumb luck?

Btw I wouldn’t mention Lucas dair because honestly it’s for a different purpose- Comboing It leads into combos, drags offstage, and for early kill Lucas actually does have a good spike move, his bair.

1:28 now we have a new meme: surprised Kirby face

Can we just talk about the landing hitbox leading to funny shenanigans? That hitbox can lead to a (not true) grab follow-up or ftilt. I still think that is useful in a mindgame, to challenge your oponento to be above you and then start juggling or to make them wait in the ground and going for a safer on shield option for the grab punish. I still think is one of the best of Kirby moves but for a casual player that I am, up-b is unfairly broken if used well xD

Now, what would be a good way to buff the move? I'd shave off a few frames of start up (from frame 18 > frame 14 or 15) and grant more priority and/or invincibility on his feet.

I feel so called out but I use other moves to I just start out with a little dair to grab to fair

Kirb dair ride is now a thing puyo

Kirby's worst move is Jigglypuff's copy ability.

@chesslo2158

4 жыл бұрын

Bepis Kirby inhaling another Kirby?

@rainwilson4036

4 жыл бұрын

And inhailing king dedede or wario those are probably the four worst

@chesslo2158

4 жыл бұрын

@@rainwilson4036 Dedede's inhale = good against gordos, also more range Wario's chomp can heal upon landing the move

@rainwilson4036

4 жыл бұрын

I meant at least cool like they are all swallowing people

@shattermelon496

4 жыл бұрын

@@rainwilson4036 Chomp is a kill move and Dedede inhale is a reflector

At the point in my Kirby play where I place it smack dab in the middle of his moves in viability. I think it’s better then all of his specials but his worst normal, unless against someone with a average or worse recovery because then I don’t really care if it doesn’t spike that well, they’re still dead or in a position where I can just do it again to them.

An interesting thing about this video is that it builds off of the Kirby mains’ comments in PJiggles video of how it’s not that bad but the rest of kirby’s kit can do anything dair can do but better, it’s just the video explains it more=(0

Good lord 15 mins for one mive

any chance you could make a video for like. a guide to playing kirby that insn't just spamming dair and down b? I think that would be very helpful for stopping new players from falling into traps like these

I gotta agree, this video is pretty spot on. But let's be real: unless you play for glory or E-sports, Kirby wouldn't be the same without it. If you ask me, landing kirbys down air perfectly is the most satisfying thing ever, and that's why I recently started maining it.

Holy shit my comment is in there Also I changed my mind about dair since I joined the Kirby cord

I remember my friend spamming Yoshi's Down-B when starting the game lol

There's a lot of misinformation, negation, and lack of sigh in the smash bros community, for example; a bunch of people think bowser's a bad character, even going as far as mocking m2k for saying he's a high tier, but then leoN switched to bowser and jumped from top 200th to top 20 in the ladder in less than 3 months. And easily 3-0'ing a lot of people (including Leffen), he even takes games from MkLeo easily -because the character is ridiculously strong. And yet people still say bowser is a low tier

maybe its bad for comp but i love it

Compared to nair you can cross up shields with dair since nair is over if you block the first hit. 7:20 ofc you're just gonna get punished if you land right in-front of their shield. They probably made it slow because you can dair like 4 times offstage w/o landing.

Me before watching this video: I like using down air. Me after watching this video: I don't like using down air. Just give Kirby actual moves from his series pls.

I’m still sad that Kirby’s hamer got nerfed so hard after brawl :(

I love using this in advantage or to get an easy shield poke

Kirby dair is very good on vertical wall stages such as Kalos Stadium and Yoshi Story. It can get easy early kills with dair that works even at high tier characters such as Mario, Greninja, Inkling and Chrom as long as they are directly below you. But other than that, dair is very unsafe and not worth it to use on stage.

“Down air is bad” JeJaJeJa is typing…

Can you do a video on kirbys down b lol. I hate that move competitively. If it came out a couple frames faster,broke shields, had more armor on startup, it’d be better. Theres so many times ive read the hell out of people with down b just for it to come out too slow and get beat out on startup. Yeah that might be my fault but i think down b needs a power or frame buff. I would like to hear your opinion

rup the mewtwo who got hit by down b because of tail hitbox

Remember terrible moves doesn’t mean useless

I fucking love Kirby’s d’air

I love this move's jank lmao

While it isn't directly buffed, I think 8.0 helped dair a bit with the Dair Ride

Haven't seen video, but it's literally impossible to even imagine kirby's down air being "good", it's been getting nerfed from game to game, now in a really deppressing state, where you're guaranteed punished if you got shielded, you can't confirm to footstool offstage, knockback offstage is sooo low even at mid-high %s, only true combos with stuff frame 4 or less (mostly ftilt, utilt), getting the autocancel confirm into dsmash/usmash is hella hard to land and prob getting sword'd

@DarkSoul979

4 жыл бұрын

now that i have seen it, yes i agree with your points, just good to gimp bad-recovery characters, in ground pretty outclassed by other stuff like weak nair

Um hello juggle boy.i just want to say that watching ur kirby videos... brought me from 127,000 GSP all the way to 1,012,345 GSP.thanks a lot😁😋😀🤣

Kirby be copying abilities by sucking people and Jigglypuff is copying Kirby’s down air

Awwwwwwww..... I totally was not expecting my name to show up at the end of the video..🥺😥😥 thanks juggleboy! Sincerely, One of your biggest fans.. -Jessie M. aka. Spartantroop aka. Umaro . . . Ps. Kirby's crocs at the end of the video.. 😁👌🏽

Amazing combo starter, and decent edge guard, lets move on to why we hate side B with a burning passion

in other words, Nair is the new Dair

Thanks for the video. Dair is really not a good move I never understood why people online often go for it

Ness, and Ice climbers my favorite heavys.

@mauricegaming353

4 жыл бұрын

I know he said on average! OK!

What does kirby have to change : change his dair with the melee hammer but as x-axis. Is this a better useg?