This gets interesting when some game devs enable DLSS as an antialiasing solution (DLAA) while retaining the native render resolution.

@LuchsYT

Жыл бұрын

The Finals enabled DLAA for its beta and it looked incredible

@lexsanderz

Жыл бұрын

don't wait for developers to learn the nvidia sdk. Instead you can use the project dlss tweaks to enable DLAA into any game with the nvidia dll.

@winebartender6653

Жыл бұрын

Yup, dlaa looks really really good with native (what I use with Hogwarts legacy )with a 27" 1440p monitor. I found dlss quality looks quite bad in Hogwarts, noticeably softer and blurrier, especially indoors. I did not realize it was possible to enable on your own for any game with dlss, will have to try that in other games.

@SweatyFeetGirl

Жыл бұрын

Dlaa looks absolutely horrible to me...

@znoozaros

Жыл бұрын

@@SweatyFeetGirl Too soft on lower resolutions, unlike msaa which works great

This is really a test of bad anti-alias has become in games. So much that resolution scaling becomes the only means of avoiding shimmering jaggies.

@quantumsage4008

Жыл бұрын

havent played that many modern games recently but good lord war thunder has a really bad problem with anti aliasing. Its so bad, SSAA is mandatory. Even with that, theres so much noise you will have a real hard time spotting enemies. TAA helps too but certain texture still blinks though its not as bad as it was previously. You have to sacrifice so much performance

@CC-vv2ne

Жыл бұрын

@@quantumsage4008 TAA is worst thing to happen to games, every single TAA implementation makes images noticebly blurry

@Dyils

Жыл бұрын

@@CC-vv2ne So add sharpness, what's the issue? You seen TAA in R6 with a bit of sharpness (right under the TAA)? It looks CRYSTAL CRISP. It's AMAZING. I wish all games had such good anti-aliasing and sharpness.

@jeanmartin7166

Жыл бұрын

@@Dyils Ubisoft is usually among the best technically. It would be like saying DX12 has not been a severe issue because WD Legion managed to make dx12 running better than dx11. TAA is usually badly implemented, R6 isn't a proof that most games could achieve the same thing.

@DanielOfRussia

Жыл бұрын

@@CC-vv2ne FH5 is the one example I can think of where TAA looks way better than even MSAA. But it is more of an outlier

Guys, I'm shocked by the scale of the work done. Thanks a lot. I would also like to see a comparison of DLAA with other AAs in native resolution

@jeanmartin7166

Жыл бұрын

DLAA would also removed the "bad AA implementation" bias when comparing native to upscaling methods

@bluesharpie9744

Жыл бұрын

DLDSR 1.78x +DLSS Quality (1.78x * 0.444% = about 80% the amount of native pixels) is a close contender to DLAA with similar ±performance in case DLAA is not available (although there now seem to be mods to hack it in). In my experience DLAA tends to ghost quite a bit on around edges

@jeanmartin7166

Жыл бұрын

@@bluesharpie9744 I tried dldsr 2.25 for Death Stranding director's cut and it wasn't good. Not as bad as TAA alone but still a lot behind DLSS alone. PS: it's only one game in 1080p, I have test every game

@teddyholiday8038

Жыл бұрын

DLAA will always be better

Awesome information. This channel has been especially hitting it out of the park with valuable and hard to find information. I know these videos are a ton of work, and I'm hoping others can appreciate and find this content as helpful and useful as I do.

@drek9k2

Жыл бұрын

Yeah for real, and these guys are truly independent and not willing to shine a turd. Like it'd be funny watching them seeing a GTX 1630 in action for the cost. It confuses me because I think they're pretty much fair, and rightfully slammed teh 6500XT as being a garbage product, yet lots of butthurt fanboys had to cope about what seemed like blatantly obvious common sense to me 8gb was not enough. I'm confused by techpowerup though it says a 6500XT performs the same as a 5500XT? Why really?? Funny because mostly AMD was the best brand last gen, except that one stinking turd. I automatically expect Gamersnexus and Hardware Unboxed to be utterly unswayed by corporate bullshit artists.

@vmafarah9473

Жыл бұрын

Meanwhile Lius techtips uses 1/20th of the effort to make a video, but includes some hand held camera movements, some gpu dropping, some sponsourshots, some jokes .

You have to disable then re-enable AA in Death Stranding Directors Cut edition each time you launch the game, otherwise it'll be without AA, even though in the graphics menu it says it's on. The standard Death Stranding didn't had this issue.

@Keivz

Жыл бұрын

Wow, great observation. Doesn’t change the overall result but the devil is in the details.

Жыл бұрын

Who fucking plays walking simulator!!

@BE3R-LF94

Жыл бұрын

I knew something was wrong with the results. I played the standard edition of DS a few months ago and thought the TAA implementation was actually good. And I played at 1080P!

@starcultiniser

Жыл бұрын

@ people without legs?

@ShadeKill

Жыл бұрын

@@starcultiniser Imagining it, is its own journey

I will never understand why the DLSS or FSR files are not updated... there are really big differences in quality and it's not a big job for the DEVs. but the result is all the greater.

@NostalgicMem0ries

Жыл бұрын

what you mean updated? to lastest versions or implemented in other games?

@DavidFregoli

Жыл бұрын

you can't just boot the game and test a couple scenes to verify it works correctly, there might be a specific area or shader that doesn't play well with it, it's not that straight forward

@muchvibrant

Жыл бұрын

@@DavidFregoli I agree but I personally use the latest DLSS version with the games that support DLSS but are stuck with older version (eg. RDR2 ) and the game looks native with more fps. DLSS 2.5.1 or any 3.x.x looks so good

@lexsanderz

Жыл бұрын

As a developer, it comes to : there is no ticket for that. Anyway, the nvidia SDK states that the dll is drop-in replaceable and that is a major feature of their sdk. Even have an update function you can call but nobody ever does.

@muchvibrant

Жыл бұрын

@@TechTusiast Also dont get confused, NVIDIA DLSS DLL 3.1.11 is not DLSS 3 which we know.. Its DLSS 2 only but with version name 3.1.11

Unbelievable content. Need to continue to showcase games relative performance between DLSS, fsr and native twice per year to keep up with the updates and new games coming out.

6:40 ummm what is happening when it pans down on the spiderman brick wall with DLSS? It is hitching badly and looks so glitchy. If I saw that in game, I would immediately turn off whatever is causing it (so DLSS). Why wasn’t this incredibly obvious artifact mentioned? Am I confused here and missed you addressing it? Thx

would love to see DLDSR together with DLSS added at some point in the future, i often use both together at 1440p and it further reduces flickering/aliasing.

@8Paul7

Жыл бұрын

Yeah I play on 1080p plasma and the picture is just perfect when using DLDSR and DLSS quality combo.

@Dionyzos

Жыл бұрын

I love DLDSR even at 4K. It performs even better than native and looks significantly better in most titles.

@Lollakuk

Жыл бұрын

@@8Paul7 so you DLDSR it to 4K then do DLSS performance on it or?

@impc8265

Жыл бұрын

@@Lollakuk you can't dldsr to 4k on a 1080 screen, but yes the idea is correct

@Lollakuk

Жыл бұрын

@@impc8265 you definitely can. I have DSRd to 2160p on my 1080p monitor.

Very well done balanced comparison! Thanks for the timely update on where we are at with the technologies.

Can we take a second to talk about the jumpy vertical scroll at the end of spiderman using dlss. Is that an actual thing? Or trouble during editing/encoding?

Thank you for all your effort in producing these comparison videos it is much appreciated

I noticed that some DLSS version give you heavy ghosting. If i notice this in a new released game I replace the DLSS file with 2.5.0 or 2.5.1 version.

@Napoleonic_S

Жыл бұрын

Where to get those dlss files?

@conyo985

Жыл бұрын

I like those versions too! It's gives the sharpest and the least ghosting image.

@jemborg

Жыл бұрын

Latest is 3.1.11, why not use that?

@mylliah7648

Жыл бұрын

I use the 3.1.11 dll with DLSSTweaks to change the preset to C (preset used in 2.5.1). So it's even better than 2.5.1!

@Shendue

Жыл бұрын

@@jemborg Precisely for the reason stated, duh. "Some DLSS versions give you heavy ghosting"

I honestly just assumed going into this video that Native > DLSS and FSR in terms of quality, so it was pretty interesting to see how it resolved some issues with some games like DS. Great video!

@dante19890

Жыл бұрын

That's not always the case sometimes dlss 2 will have better image Integrity than native

@razoo911

Жыл бұрын

in fact its true from this video you can see the only thing that fsr and dlss do better is antialiasing

@uhurunuru6609

Жыл бұрын

Well you assumed correctly, because Tim makes a common mistake, Native > Upscaling (ANY), but DLAA > AA (ANY), because all AA is trying to imitate DOWNscaling. Render @ 8k, Display @ 4k gives you the best AA you can get, at cost of huge performance hit, and every AA ever invented tries to mimic this taxing AA method, without high FPS hit. DLAA is training the AI on Downscaling, to do better AA, without upscaling the render. So all this video shows is what we already know DLAA is "Better than any other AA. This is worst video Tim has ever made, especially as we can now force DLAA, in any game that has DLSS support (How? See my other posts in these comments).

Thanks for that. Did you guys plan to do some recent AA comparison ? (Including dldsr)

I love videos like this, GREAT JOB! i strongly hope develops will be updating their upscalers

I think you should consider testing more games with manually updated DLL file for the lastest version of DLSS. Since as you said, just by updating its version can change the result from worse than Native to match or even better, so I wonder if this is a trend across the board, and since this is a comparison of DLSS vs Native, I think it's fair to use the best and lastest version of it, since it can be manually done by users for free, not depending on games developers to implement. If the results are indeed positive for all, then it's gonna be truly a game-changing technology, since it'd be a truly free, stable and noticeable performance boost toggle that comes at no cost, and might even improve visual, simply a much better solution than overclocking since it's not dependent on silicone lottery.

@foxpants

Жыл бұрын

Couldn't agree more

Some other channels could learn from your image quality. Always sharp and clear 4k. Probably the best looking channel I watch. Why do other channels not look this good? Lol. Keep it up!

@Sal3600

Жыл бұрын

Biased. They're all the same.

I'm interested in how the particles are being rendered at different resolutions. The example of the particles in the air in The last of us for example, is the issue that the lower resoltution render before upscaling, simply renders less particles therefore this is an expected outcome, or is the DLSS algorithm smoothing out some of the particles? I would be very cool if you were able to ask the game dev's some questions about how they find working with DLSS versus Native resolution.

@VectorGaming4080

10 ай бұрын

The game engine is likely only creating so many particles for a given internal rendering resolution. This is why setting the correct LOD bias is so important for DLSS and developers need to make sure that they allow DLSS to sample higher quality assets than what their internal resolution would have if it were native.

Great content. Thanks for enourmous effort put into this video. Please keep up the great work. I learn a lot from your content.

24 games, that's a lot of work) great job, Tim!

DLSS has a wonderful effect on surfaces that get shimmering lighting/shading or shimmering/bubbling screen space reflections that is pretty common on games of the last 3 years, my guess is that the temporal effect of it smooths it out, in sometitles it's very obvious like Cyberpunk 2077 where this kind of shimmering appears on a lot of surfaces. I guess theoretically a good TAA setting would be able to do the same, but it would have to be able to understand know what kinds of objects it should do it to, or it would cause ghosting... i guess this is where DLSS comes in, since the machine learning can make it understand what parts should reasonably not be shimmering... and modern 3.1 dlss is very low in noticeable ghosting anyway... also now with dlsstweaks which is a fabulous tool, and now it even comes with a UI program for people who might feel intimdated by editing the text files directly. With this, you can set your own internal resolutions... i've been playing around with it a lot... most games can run on really weird internal resolutions, like rendering at 3:2 3240x2160, which i've tried for 4k, so it is DLAA vertically, and DLSS horizontally... in games where you would need just a bit more performance with dlss but you are not satisfied with the "quality" option... or in games where you want something in between the available settings. I hope in the future this can be baked in as a slider in games, so that instead of having a number of options "quality, balanced, performance and ultra performance", you can just have a slider from full internal 1x resolution (DLAA) down to even below the ultra performance (x0.333333) level... I've had great use of this tool to max out for example The Last Of Us Part 1, so that I can set a resolution just high enough to look very close to native (so above the DLSS quality setting, which is x0.6666667) but still fitting within my VRAM limitations for a certain set of settings, that i wouldn't have been able to do if i ran it at native. DLSS really saves the day and i've tried using FSR and XeSS to see if they are any better in any game, but i haven't yet found any case where they look better. Having gone over to 4k tv for gaming and content viewing recently, I wouldn't even be able to run a lot of the games i like in 4k without dlss, it's really the main thing that would keep me from thinking of going over to AMD cards if i was looking for a new graphics card now.

What is outro song name? Artist name doesn’t pop anything up on Spotify or KZread and Shazam isn’t working

TSR in fornite is set to recommended and it's set to 72%, What is the resoultion is rendering and upscaling to? Any help would be greatly appreciated

Maybe instead of or in addition to further optimizing DLSS and FSR image quality, maybe developers should just spend more time properly fixing the native rendering in many cases... Basically every single time DLSS was better, it wasn't because it was so good, but because native TAA just was so bad. We have seen that before with stuff like AMD's CAS which seemed to work just a lot better than what ever developers built themselves...

@cromefire_

Жыл бұрын

@@jkahgdkjhafgsd it does absolutely not, not even on a 4K monitor

@cromefire_

Жыл бұрын

@@jkahgdkjhafgsd Even on a 140ppi monitor jagged edges looks worse than everything, I'd rather take bad TAA that flickers a lot, but it's better than literally everything looking absolutely awful... If you want something good, look at something like SOTTRs SMAA + TAA implementations. They are expensive, but it works wonders, not a lot of flickering and other artifacts, just plain solid.

@normaalewoon6740

10 ай бұрын

No anti aliasing is almost perfect during movement, it absolutely slams the clarity of even dlaa. Aliasing patterns are a problem because the pixels are only rasterized in the centers, which is pretty wasteful. It's better to rasterize random locations inside the pixels, which also randomizes the aliasing patterns and makes them a lot smoother in real time. To improve the clarity even further, foveated supersampling/downsampling is needed, on top of backlight strobing/black frame insertion and eye movement compensated motion blur, which make 100 hz look and feel like 1000 hz in a non destructive way

@coaltrain2299

10 ай бұрын

@@jkahgdkjhafgsd dlaa

That native image instability and flickering bothers me a lot once I notice it and DLSS Quality fixes it in most cases so I'm using it almost all the time. To me that looks better than native TAA and I can't notice the ghosting tbh + less power draw and lower temps with better performance so its a win-win for me. Even on my lowly 29" 2560x1080 ultrawide Quality mode looks good enough to me, usually I manually update the DLSS dll with the 2.5.1 version tho I'm yet to check the newer versions.

Love the content! Keep up the good work! 💪🏻

Anyone know where Shadow of The Tomb raider would probably fall into? Been trying to figure out how to best achieve a consistent 60fps at 4K, I have everything maxed with AA at SMAAT2x. It is consistent about 80% of the time, but when it slows it sort of sucks (by the way I don't have a monitor i use my TCL75Q825 so gsync and all that other fancy stuff is not an option, I always use regular vertical sync). If I set the internal resolution scaler to about 85% it will be basically perfect, but I was wondering with this game I'd be just better off with DLSS set to Quality mode.

@kevinerbs2778

Ай бұрын

Turn off the SMAAT2X you trying to up sample resolutions to 16K with that setting for AA. You really don't need any AA at 4K, you would need a magnifying glass to even see any difference.

I would love if you tested DLSS balanced also. Would be nice to know whether it would be a good tradeoff or whether it in general is something to be avoided.

@paulcox2447

7 ай бұрын

Depends on your starting resolution. At 4k balanced works well. 2k it's ok. 1080p I'd stick to quality

That edition was "helpful-just-in-time". Getting these days frustrated with DLSS stuttering and lacking quality in FlightSim you mentioning the cpu limitation as deal breaker was very helpful. Enjoying the scenery low and slow with a real-life viewing distance means to run the simulation in a CPU limit more often then not. Your confirmation of the title looking much better in Native Res will have serious implications: the 7800X3d has to come to rescue. 😄💙PS: Regarding VRAM, the title (even in Mid Textures) uses more then 12GB ded. in dense areas.... the 3070 wasnt long in my system! Thanks

@GentlyUsedFrog

Жыл бұрын

than*

How do you tell what version of DLSS a game is running? Does the Nvidia performance overlay (Alt+R) show that?

@praetorxyn

Жыл бұрын

@@fjjwfp7819 Yeah, I knew that, but that would be a massive pain to do on a per game basis, so I was hoping there was a way to just display the version somewhere.

Is it true this only works for 16:9 resolutions ? Ultrawide resolutions aren't supported ?

I'm super surprised how close it is. My mind doesn't want to believe it can be this close while giving so much better performance... To the point I keep forgetting it. Brain just doesn't want to get the picture, it doesn't fit with my expectations. Thanks for such patience diving deep into these topics! Making these questions as close to objective, and best explained as possible. Super amazing work taking something like subjective visual quality in upscaling, and digesting it into something nigh objective! Your commentary about what game devs should do is also super concise and actionable. If I could give a gold star award to your channel, I would. I'm having to seriously consider donating or subscribing on Patreon, even though that's something I rarely (just about never) do. Thank you again for your tremendous efforts over the years. Gamers can be so much more informed now than any time I can recall in history. And it's due to dedicated reviewers such as yourselves.

@Sal3600

Жыл бұрын

Disable taa and dlss and fsr doesn't stand a chance when compared to native.

@dante19890

Жыл бұрын

​​@@Sal3600 incorrect. If u play native without TAA, DLSS will actually have a better image stability

@AnuragCrafts

22 күн бұрын

​@@dante19890Why would you even do that lol. TAA has a very slight performance hit which is not even noticeable.

@dante19890

21 күн бұрын

@@AnuragCrafts A lot of old school pc gamers hate TAA and just run native resolution with no image treatment or AA

@AnuragCrafts

21 күн бұрын

@@dante19890 Better add sharpening from control panel or sharpening reshade or any mod for that particular game. It should be fine.

I'd love to see something like that for 1080p. Is it crap or is it any good?

@KanakaBhaswaraPrabhata

Жыл бұрын

it is good.

@vladvah77

Жыл бұрын

@@KanakaBhaswaraPrabhata Old DLSS was crap, but 2.5.0.+ is very good.

Im interest about the Wattage used in all modes as well in times like we have today. Hope we can see a bit more information as well in the modes. Thx anyway for the good work :)

Do I have to upgrade something to change my dlss version?

Another use case for these upscalling techniques is to reduce the workload and power consumption on your graphics card. If it looks the same to you, just enable it.

@eternalbeing3339

Жыл бұрын

It increases the cpu usage though. Some people shouldn't if they are using ancient hardware.

@Jonatan606

Жыл бұрын

​@Eternal Being33 A GPU consumes more power than CPU. You can also combine it with frame generation which will give it breathing room.

I’ve felt that native is the only true sense of what a gpu can do, but I can’t tell the difference in SOME scenarios. If I’m in the middle of a game, I’d say there’s only certain things like the fence and things flickering that would get on my nerves. So it seems like it’ll end up being a game by game thing for me as to whether or not I’d use the tech or just play with native rendering.

@gozutheDJ

Жыл бұрын

in terms of judging how performant a card is, 100% native. in terms of playing and enjoying a game, whatever looks best to you.

@dante19890

Жыл бұрын

Why would u sacrifice performance if you can't tell the difference anyway.

@benfowler2127

Жыл бұрын

@@dante19890 I am basing my statement on what I see in the video. I haven’t yet compared them for myself in the games I play. I tend to play in native res without the frame generation on anyways. The one time I tried it, it wasn’t impressive to me, so I haven’t bothered since. Also, with whatever extra processing youtube does to these videos, and depending on the screen someone is watching on, it can be difficult to tell if I’m seeing things the same way. Especially since “seeing 4k” on a tablet vs a monitor or tv is dependent on those devices. What I should do is watch this video again on the pc and monitor I’d be gaming on. And I did say “SOME” scenarios. Not all. There’s a clear difference in many of the examples he showed.

@dante19890

Жыл бұрын

@@benfowler2127 ye but either way its gonna be a little better, same or a little worse depending on the DLSS version and the game, but you are getting a huge performance boost so its a instant net win no matter how u look at it.

@sito3539

Жыл бұрын

Problem is it's not just fences, it's bloom, rain, depth of field, air particles, god rays, wide color gamuts, OLED contrast, etc. on top of increased latency. There're lots of things AI can't do, and it certainly can't do native graphics better, just TAA better, when TAA is bad. Hitman in the rain being the worst offender here, even when DLSS is technically better as an AA solution it makes lighting look awful.

I'm new to this all upscalling stuff, but how come CPU limits performance with DLSS? Isn't it done on the separate GPU... modules?

*Doesn't the NVIDIA NGX updating thing update the DLSS files automatically at driver level?*

Great video ! People need to remember that DLSS / FSR / XeSS "ADD" performance with much better FPS. Which mean much better frametime and input lag that lead to smoother gameplay. When you can pull 30-40fps on native 4K/1440p/1080p in games you play and you can turn on DLSS to get much better fps or even stable 60fps that should be no brainer to turn on based on the 24 game comparison. With DLSS is edging closer to native in quality mode, FSR and XeSS catching up just mean better for costumer. The real problem just like the video point out, that new games release (hogwarts, deadspace, deathstranding, last of us) in native have much worse anti aliasing method implemented on their game in NATIVE. This feels the norm now that need more attention that developer making unoptimized game like when you can pull 14gb VRAM on the last of us just LOOKING AT A WALL.

@DavidFregoli

Жыл бұрын

I'd say it's a no brainer on Ties and DLSS wins. on Native+ it's the best tradeoff to get some performance, while on Native++ and Native+++ games you activate it only if you absolutely need, and potentially test lowering the quality settings first

@flintfrommother3gaming

Жыл бұрын

VRAM is reserved, it doesn't matter if you look at a wall or look at a very filled place

@Jakiyyyyy

Жыл бұрын

VRAM already loaded as soon as you started the game, it dozen matter if you just staring at a wall or having intense gunfights.

@naturesown4489

Жыл бұрын

You should see the native without TAA - you'll see jaggies everywhere and there will be shimmering on all the edges. There's a reason games use TAA....

The dragon neon sign on Hitman is losing a lot of brightness and bloom compared to native. The ~1-2 pixel wide neon information is lost and thus doesn't produce the light it was supposed to. That's pretty impactfull in my opinion. It's completely extinguished/muted on FSR. This is something that will be noticed a lot in Cyberpunk, where 1-2 pixel elements (neon signs again) have to convey bright, contrasted information and is further enhanced by bloom post processing.

@MichaOstrowski

Жыл бұрын

The intensity of bloom is, sadly, often related to the native resolution, so when that drops, you get less bloom...

@monotoneone

Жыл бұрын

Yes, lighting effects take a hit when using upscaling. This is why I ran Death Stranding at native despite the shimmering, the lights look "wrong" when using DLSS. The more bloom light sources have the more it is noticeable. Neon lights often look like LED lights with DLSS.

@juanblanco7898

Жыл бұрын

There's a gamma shift and overal loss in color accuracy when scaling is performed, which is to be expected due to obvious reasons. And sadly this is not a problem most people, be it developers or consumers, are concerned about. Or what is actually sad is that I'm definitely not one of them as I'm very sensitive to such things.

@gozutheDJ

Жыл бұрын

good call i didnt even notice that.

@gozutheDJ

Жыл бұрын

@@juanblanco7898 you can't adjust gamma settings in game?

What's up with the weird stuttering with DLSS as the camera pans down at 6:43?

Tim/HUB, thank you for this analysis. Question: Should we simply update all DLSS2 DLLs (in games with DLSS2) with the latest available DLSS2 DLL? Is there a downside?? And what about issues like bird trails in RDR2 even in latest DLSS DLL version? I couldn't get a satisfactory result in RDR2 4K Max (using 4090) using the latest DLSS2 3.x DLL. There were still bird trails and the texture quality was just not on par with Native in some scenes (side by side comparisons of images).

@lexsanderz

Жыл бұрын

I use DLAA in that title and thought it looked great. Maybe I just can't see so many artifacts. Preset F.

@L0rd_0f_War

Жыл бұрын

@@lexsanderz I haven't tried DLAA in any game yet, which I believe requires a third party tool to enable (in most games). I'll check it out at some point.

In some games I honestly prefer 4K native without any temporal AA/ similar techniques . FSR, DLSS and TAA when poorly implemented show lots of ghosting and shimmering which is super annoying

@prman9984

Жыл бұрын

In most games.

@DavidFregoli

Жыл бұрын

yes that's the point of the video

@chrisvicera6696

Жыл бұрын

@@DavidFregoli No he compares native with the best AA which is typically TAA, if you actually listened to the video lmao

@DadGamingLtd

Жыл бұрын

It bothers me that taa has become the goto AA technique. I realize it takes a lot less power than smaa, but it consistently looks like ass. Luckily, you can turn it off in most games.

@Edinburghdreams

Жыл бұрын

Glad to see people are waking up to TAA looking like garbage.

22:10 While in theory automatic updates sounds good, as a developer - in practice, we never want to release an untested update. In normal development cycle (and most of the cases), after releasing version 1.0 active development stops and we move to a support phase - where we do not add any new features and focus only on fixing bug and glitches. Most of the developers move to another projects (which may be even DLC for that game, but that also count as a different project) and since there is less human resources, you can't just constantly update such an important library like DLSS (important since it directly affects visuals of the game). If something worked before it's not guaranteed that it will still work after update - e.g. there may be a particle effect at a waterfall which after update starts producing ugly artifacts, QA may not catch this (mostly due to reduced resources), but gamers surely will - that's a big risk. Risk which can be avoided by not updating that library.

@jemborg

Жыл бұрын

It helps if you make a backup of the original dll before you update... in case it looks worse.

@Vantrakter

Жыл бұрын

That sounds pretty logical. And yet if upscaling techniques are being employed by more and more games and gamers and the version of the upscaling library directly affects the enjoyment of the game, it seems logical for a project management to allocate resources to keeping it updated after release, or at least evaluate an update some time after release. I'm not sure one visual glitch in a waterfall matters if the rest of the game looks better and is slightly faster than before.

@deviouslaw

Жыл бұрын

Outdated thinking

@jeanmartin7166

Жыл бұрын

If the result is better in 99% of the cases: Why not just always update and let the tested version as an option by default ? In many games, you can chose which version of dlss/fsr you want in the game settings. Players would probably love to see some minors updates after release. Especially when it doesn't require a heavy DL.

this is a really cool idea but did you test the native 4k without taa. because although native 4k taa might give the best image quality. if it needs taa to do that. is it possible that nvidia or amds anti aliasing is good enough to compensate for all the trickery it's using to modify the image.

If going for performance instead of using DLSS/FSR to downscale and enhance how about lowering the resolution and upping the settings?

IMO when testing native using post-process TAA (temporal anti-alising) is not showing native at its best, TAA when compared to DLSS or FSR, lacks a sharpening filter, it slightly blurs the image instead and worse creates artifacts that wouldn't exist with no AA. MSAA (multi-sampling anti-alising) would be the best AA option to use for native, when comparing image quality, but unfortunately, modern games have no MSAA support at all and forcing it on the drivers, only works for older D3d9 (direct X 9) games and that is a real tragedy to me. You can of course, still use SSAA (super sampling anti-alising) in any game, by just rendering it at a higher resolution than the one you display at, and that has the best image quality of all but also destroys performance.

incredible result for DLSS lets be honest, just being a tie to native would have been incredibly impressive but to pull wins out the bag on multiple occasions, wow.

Thank you for the content. I would be really interested in seeing some game engine upscalers included for comparison, i.e. many of the games you tested have an in game render resolution slider - it would be really interesting to how they compare to DLSS. In particular because you can use that render resolution slider to hit a pretty exact desired FPS.

this video is the reason i cant decide what gpu to buy 4070 ti or 7900 xt for 1440p?

You know, I had been playing newer games with DLSS quality activated at 4K and 1440p with my 4090 and 3080 respectively, as they came as default. They looked fine. However, a few days ago I went back to native and I was surprised by how much crisper everything looked.

@beachslap7359

Жыл бұрын

Well, it's a trade-off. You easily get used to less crispy image, but the smoothness makes up for it and once that extra smoothness is gone you IMMEDIATELY notice it.

@sebastien3648

Жыл бұрын

because AA sucks, when no AA (TAA, dLAA, DLSS) games look way sharper... but sadly these day you are forced to have at least taa in like 90% of games.. even thought at 4K i would personnaly rather have the slight shimmering than the smoothness.. basically thiscomparison is between TAA and DLSS/fsr, native doesn't mean s*** anymore..

@valrond

Жыл бұрын

@@beachslap7359 I'm already getting well over 60 fps. I don't care if I get 80 or 120.

@TheReferrer72

Жыл бұрын

@@sebastien3648Suck? You mean look sharper when you take a screen shot and look at the resulting image for 5 minutes? Graphics in games are brilliant.

@Terepin64

Жыл бұрын

@@cptnsx Calm your tits. I wrote "to mitigate", not "to fix".

In my personal experience I noticed that the newer DLAA anit-aliasing algorithm works incredibly well with solving flickering issues and making the image look high res. I think this test shows that the Nvidia AA algorithm on DLSS handles scenes much better than TAA for example hence why DLSS looks better than native in many cases. I wonder if we will ever get a test comparing DLSS with DLAA. DLAA native scenes should theoretically be better than DLSS.

@1GTX1

Жыл бұрын

Last of Us and Marvel's Spiderman look amazing even on a 24 inch 1080p screen with DLAA. If every game looked like that, 1080p resolution wouldn't be a problem.

Great video, thanks for the hard work! Got one question, why is DLSS and FSR creating totally blurry image in Warzone 2? Running 4090 at 1440p. Thanks for the insight!

@CriticalPotato

Жыл бұрын

Sounds like you lack enough VRAM for the settings you are running and the textures fail to load in as a result. Watch your VRAM usage and lower settings until you are not at your VRAM limit. Watch HUB's video on the 3070 vs RX 6800, specifically the Forspoken part to see an example of it.

@CZ_Aesthetic

Жыл бұрын

@@CriticalPotato are you sure about that? Im running 4090 at 1440p UW.

It would be nice to know the distance from the screen where the shimmering effect is still present and the monitor size. So if you are playing 2m from the screen, the shimmering might not be as pronounced as playing from 1m etc.

@scarletspidernz

Жыл бұрын

if you're playing 1-2m from your screen then you're most likely playing console or on a TV, minute details won't matter as much. Most people play 30-60cm from their monitor. Unless what you're asking is if in the console experience can you see the shimmer?

@aquilaromilda4822

Жыл бұрын

@@scarletspidernz Not really talking about console. The idea is from where on does the shimmering become less pronounced? 30 cm from 40"? 60 cm from 32"? Zooming in 3x-5x is not what most players play as well, but it is a nice showcase of where you see the shimmers. So from where does the shimmering become unplayable? I play about 80cm - 1.2m away from my 32"monitor on PC. For competitive gaming or FPS I understand the need to be closer, but for single player titles like Hogwarts Legacy where aim is assisted?

My takeaway from this is I can’t really tell the difference so I can just go for fps ❤

@kilmor3151

Жыл бұрын

Yea with DLSS. Good luck not being able to tell the difference FSR2.

@Verpal

Жыл бұрын

@@kilmor3151 FSR 2 is pretty good on 4K, I think its okay to use it for 4K quality, below that I am not sure.

@LeegallyBliindLOL

Жыл бұрын

@@Verpal heavily depends on the game. Unusable in RE4 for me.

@anuzahyder7185

Жыл бұрын

Bro fsr suc*s. I use nvidia but most of the times i prefer native over dlss q especially in cyberpunk. 80% of the time i wud go with native n 20% of the time i wud go with dlss quality. Never fsr it is horrible

always update dlss to the newest version and test if its better. most of the time it will have great improvement in image quality (there are exceptions though)

When hes staying "Stability" are we speaking about anti aliasing flickering? because it seems rather confusing talking about stability because its often associated with camera/display shaking.

In Hitman 3, are you sure it´s still regular DLSS and noT FakeGeneration? Or why does it look like high speed comets are hailing down insted of just looking like boring rain?

I have a theory about some of your test data, for Spider-Man for example. I wonder if the game engine and texture packs are only optimized and designed for 1080p and 2160p. So when the game renders natively at 1440p, it’s just using something like a checkerboard technique to up the image to 1440p, whereas DLSS can upscale to 1440p from 1080p (quality mode) using its magical mathematical algorithms, which would also explain why the native 4K presentations were better than DLSS upscaling from 1440p, because the game engine already adjusted the image from 1080p to 1440p prior to DLSS then upscaling from 1440p to 2160p, which could explain why in Spider-Man and last of us, 4K native was so much better in it’s fine details then DLSS/FSR but native 1440p was much closer to DLSS/FSR. 🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️ maybe this is something to look at in certain games, do certain resolutions offer up certain pros/cons and do some of those go away with certain DLSS/FSR settings ?? Is this just a DLSS/FSR issue, or is it also a possible game engine issue? Do some developers just not take the time to properly develop 1440p textures and details, which would make the DLSS quality mode using an already less optimized image ??

Reading the comments, it would seem many haven't actually watched the video???

@solarstrike33

Жыл бұрын

Mudslinging…mudslinging everywhere…

Can we play a competitive fps with dlss 2 frame generation? Are the games responsive?

Do u think asus strix g15rx6800m 12 gb is good 1440p laptop and future prove than msi katana rtx 4060 8gb or msi gp76 rtx3070 8gb i’m trying to see which is better for me to get

When I have performance left… I tend to do this trick… DLDSR 2.25x + DLSS Quality… I play on a 4K monitor, so the game would be rendered at 6K and DLSS Quality would make the game render internally at 4K and upscale to 6K… This makes the image look a lot sharper and better than regular 4K actually! Even on 6K Performance mode (which renders internally at 1620p), it usually looks almost like native 4K and lots of times even better than it by a bit.

@shockwav3xx

Жыл бұрын

What is DLDSR?

@lonerprofile

Жыл бұрын

It's called supersampling, also be used in video/anime industry. Render video at 4k and downscale to 1080p or 8k downscale to 4k, that's why you see those studio use 8k/12k high end camera.

@elaiswaifu5459

Жыл бұрын

@@shockwav3xx opposite of upscaling… It downscales the game instead, this gives a sharper and crisper image than native.

@Dionyzos

Жыл бұрын

I often use 1.78x which already looks great

@shanroxalot5354

Жыл бұрын

@@Dionyzos Thats what I am wondering is it better to do 1.78x with Quality or 2.25x with Balanced/Performance etc..

The reason I stuck with Nvidia last year was due to DLSS, not too bothered over Raytracing, just DLSS. I use a 50 inch 4k TV and my old 2060 super using DLSS got stable 60fps at 1440p. My 3070ti on Dying light 2 gets stable 60fps at 4k using DLSS. Only thing I don't like is the vram only 8gig on 3070ti, Nvidia messed up with vram.

@eternalbeing3339

Жыл бұрын

8gb is fine if you dont max out the textures.

@vladvah77

Жыл бұрын

Well, the RTX 3070/Ti is a 1440p video card, so 8 GB VRAM is exactly what you need.

@wertyuiopasd6281

2 ай бұрын

​@@eternalbeing3339Cope

@wertyuiopasd6281

2 ай бұрын

​@@vladvah77Fanboys should stay silent.

Very interesting video and comparisons. Would have liked some info on Cyberpunk as well though :)

Hey Can you review the brand new Koorui 24E3? Its IPS 165hz at a surprising price. Can you check it out?

I used DLSS when first playing Cyberpunk on a 1080p ultrawide. Set a higher resolution than my panel and balanced it so it would render natively at the resolution of my panel; My panel would then downscale the higher game resolution image back to its native resolution. This gave me more distance clarity and a bit more stable image in Cyberpunk (that a month after release of CP, was before DLAA was an official thing in the driver or the game).

@kiburikikiam

Жыл бұрын

so you're basically using dldsr.

@adriankoch964

Жыл бұрын

@@kiburikikiam before that was part of the driver, yes.

This just makes me hope that AMD eventually releases a version of FSR that utilizes AI to enhance the quality of the image similar to DLSS. Perhaps it might only work on newer AMD gpus, and would otherwise revert back to normal FSR. But knowing AMD it will also work on any gpu capable of utilizing tensor ML cores. That would be the true "DLSS Killer"

Is DLSS or FSR worth using in competitive online shooters, especially in Battle Royales? I havbe concern about increased input lag

@OrjonZ

Жыл бұрын

Its worth using because you get more fps meaning each frame takes less to render. DLSS3 in the other hand is not recommended.

Does Intel Core i5 13400F support DDR5 RAM with frequencies of 5200MHz or 6000MHz?

To be fair, I think the "better than native" really comes into place in scenes with limited motion. It could be an RTS game, like The Riftbreakers, a slow dialogue focused cutscene like the Witcher 3, puzzle games like Lego Builders or just when standing still, detail studying environments or characters in Cyberpunk. In those cases the temporal resolve has a super-sampled "better than native" quality to it. With FSR showcasing flickering instability with sub-pixel geometry (due to the feature lacking a temporal smoothing pass, which DLSS has. However, this extra pass often causes extra ghosting in DLSS as a result). There are so many components to upscaling, and there's just a lot of subjective opinion of the image quality that you can't or don't really need to quantify. For me personally I rather play Cyberpunk with FSR Quality over the native image at 1440p due to the super sampled temporal resolve in cutscenes, dialogues, or just when detail studying the environment. During motion it's close to native, but with added flickering and slight fuzz. which I don't mind when I get into the game. So even if flickering CAN be distracting, to me it isn't all that important, and I value the benefits of FSR, over its drawbacks. And that's something that you can't really quantify even in an image comparison, because it really depends on the scene, what you value, how much you are into the game and what best depicts the artists intended look for the game. and so on.

I always noticed that DLDSR + DLSS quality looked way better than native 1440p while performing better or the same

How do you release this video and not see that the dlss fsr video you posted is bogus

Very good and informative. I did miss an fps counter here though.

This tech has gotten so good lately, the very small issues that can be seen if you really look for it do not bother me.

@fernandochapa1433

9 ай бұрын

Fr I can play with Dlss performance and I dont mind the “issues” because of the FPS gains

I would also like to see DLAA results and rendering the game at a higher resolution then down scaling it. I.e 4k to 1440p and seeing how those two compare to traditional TAA.

@gozutheDJ

Жыл бұрын

you people demand a lot without compensating them for it. what's stopping you from testing yourself? I'll give you a hint, downscaling pretty much always gives you the best image quality.

@tvcultural68

Жыл бұрын

​@@gozutheDJ if we were to follow your brilliant logic, this video would not exist. Hw does technical analysis that most people are not capable of, so it's interesting to see H.W opinion. about the lol reward the channel earns money with the videos by adsense

@gozutheDJ

Жыл бұрын

@@tvcultural68people are not capable of turning a setting on, checking how it looks in game, turning it off, and comparing? wtf?

@tvcultural68

Жыл бұрын

​@@gozutheDJ It seems like you didn't understand anything I said. Hardware Unboxed goes much deeper into the differences in graphics than most people, in summary, the channel offers a much better analysis. And if someone were to do their own analysis on dozens of games, it would take dozens of hours, I know this because I analyzed 5 games. It's much easier to watch a video that provides a great summary of this issue than for a person to spend dozens of hours analyzing games. Is it difficult for you to understand this?

@gozutheDJ

Жыл бұрын

@@tvcultural68 because this is literally just content dude. its fun to watch but no one is using this to tune their games. because to tune their game they would just .... do it themselves. i have eyes. i dont need a channel to tell me what looks better to me. its all coming down to personal preference as i said, unless you just go along with what other people tell you is better. and also, your monitor factors heavily into this as well. and that's something they can't account for, they can only tell you how it looked to them on their monitors, but you might have a completely different result, so at the end of the day you STILL need to test it for yourself.

Love the content and a;; you do. Low key it would be cool to see a Matt cameo soon 👀

I think this would be an interesting choice of texts under the following question. Is DLSS or any other upscalar better than native at target resolution and quality settings necessary to achieve an fps target. I.e. is DLSS quality with high eye candy settings better than say a native low eye candy settings provided they both equal the same fps.

That's very interesting. I didn't expect DLSS or FSR to match and even beat the native rendering. I guess it's because the TAA is not a great anti-aliasing technology... and hey, I'll take free performance with a better image any time! Thanks for the detailed look!

@robertcarhiboux3164

Жыл бұрын

native is better than TAA most of the time, it creates blurryness, I even prefer the jaggies to this technology.

@damara2268

Жыл бұрын

@@robertcarhiboux3164 most people hate the jaggies, including me. It just looks so bad that I can't stop looking at the jaggies moving around over edges instead of enjoying the game

@dante19890

Жыл бұрын

@@robertcarhiboux3164 U have to use Native with TAA or otherwise u get a very unstable image

@robertcarhiboux3164

Жыл бұрын

@@damara2268 I hate jaggies, but TAA even more. I prefer MSAA x4 but it's less and less available.

@robertcarhiboux3164

Жыл бұрын

@@damara2268 TAA is blurry and even worse than jaggies. I prefer MSAA but when the game does not have it I use DSR 4.0x when my GPU can handle it (with minimum smoothing factor like 6%). I also like very much the hitman resolution upscale. It's the only game in which it really improved the sharpness of the image with no particular downside. Even performancewise it was better than DSR.

This is unreal... you guys are putting out informative in-depth videos so frequently from hardware unboxed, hub clips and monitors unboxed, I have difficulty catching up and watching all of them! I highly suspect DLSS 4.0 video generation trickery has been used =P

I wonder now how the combination of super sampling and using DLSS or fsr would turn out. You set your resolution to 5120x2880 then use DLSS to have your GPU only render 2560x1440, would this then result in a better looking image?

Tim and Steve giving people the goodies! Good job!

I just pick 1440p dlss quality + sharpening all day vs forced TAA in latest titles where you cant even pick another AA (cp2077 as example). Dlaa is good alternative

@mryellow6918

Жыл бұрын

Forced taa is so fkn annoying it's the reason I could never play the newer battlefields past hardline can't stand any type of aa it's all just blury

@EvLTimE

Жыл бұрын

@@mryellow6918 Main reason why I upgraded from 1080p...simply because no matter which settings you use you cant see anything. Blur mess vs pixelated mess. Lately my friend and me tried the Division 1 and we were astonished about AA implementation. Both 1080p and 1440p. I think we should blame devs fot AA at this point.

I could barely tell any difference in most cases lol. but that took a lot of effort so massive respect! 🙌🏻

@mrbobgamingmemes9558

Жыл бұрын

True unless i use like performance settings both on fsr and dlss

@kilmor3151

Жыл бұрын

That's why videos on this are a plain moronic concept. You won't ever be able to tell in a video.

@DavidFregoli

Жыл бұрын

hard to cross reference same area unless you pause, I'd rather see more stills than playback for fine detail, but playback also has its place to highlight image stability and shimmering. also YT compression doesn't help.

Curious how dlss/fsr compares to tv built in upscaling

Excellent comparison! Will you test Cyberpunk in another separate video?

First off I just wanna say I really appreciate the effort you guys put into these videos to provide us with such in depth analysis and information on topics. That said, in this instance I think a more useful and widely applicable analysis would be to compare the image quality of native 1080p or 1440p to that of higher but upscaled resolutions, at quality settings where the upscalers render at or close to 1080p or 1440p respectively. For example: - Native 1080p vs 4K Upscaled on Performance (1080p render res) - Native 1440p vs 4K Upscaled on Quality (1440p render res) - 1440p Upscaled on Performance vs 1080p Upscaled on Quality (720p render res) I think these comparisons could be more useful because most gamers have hardware that actually allows them to use those setting combinations at playable framerates, whereas very few actually have the hardware that affords them the luxury of "choosing" between native 4K and upscaled 4K. Dlss/fsr were always meant to be tools to boost performance at a given res(or enable playable fps at higher res) while minimizing losses in image quality, more so than tools to outright boost image quality itself. Personally from my own sample size of 1, I have found that running games like MW2, Cyberpunk and Hogwarts at 2160p Performance or even 1620p Quality(also ~1080p render res) actually produces a more stable and sometimes better looking image than native 1080p, particularly in Cyberpunk. This makes the ~5-8% fps hit of running 2160p Performance Mode worth it over native 1080p. It would be nice to see what you guys think about this and if others experience the same thing.

@KarlDag

Жыл бұрын

Absolutely! Originally DLSS was there to take you to 4K with a GPU that wasn't powerful enough to render native 4K. Now if you're running a 4090, sure you can choose native vs DLSS, but that's a far cry from most people's need. Native 4K doesn't perform nearly the same as DLSS 4k.

Could you test ultrawide FSR/DLSS in the future? For some reason, even the quality mode produces a way worse image than native on 3440x1440.

Cool video! I've been wondering about this for some time so it was useful to me. I also noticed that DS was far better looking with DLSS enabled. The aliasing with native was atrocious but with DLSS it looks fantastic. HU please do this grading for all games in existence so we can just look up the game we're gonna play in a database and set our game accordingly.

@gozutheDJ

Жыл бұрын

or you could take the two seconds to check the game yourself. why are you so lazy?

How does the Unreal Engine upscaling compare to DLSS or FSR? This comparison might be difficult to do, since I believe Epic is developing their version of upscaling at a even more rapid pace than either Nvidia or AMD, but it might still be interesting to see where they are right now...

DLSS is just really good anti aliasing, that's why they added DLAA, which is just DLSS without upscaling

@HanSolo__

Жыл бұрын

This

@Superdazzu2

Жыл бұрын

no it's not lol, it also gives back huge chunks of fps, ranging from 20+ (quality) to almost double with performance

@johnnypopstar

Жыл бұрын

@@Superdazzu2 Yes, it is. He is absolutely correct, from a technical perspective, on what the actual image processing techniques involved in the upscaling are doing. There is also a *side effect* that because it's starting with a lower resolution image, you get an FPS bump - but the fundamentals of the image processing that's going on, are, *unavoidably* that it's doing extremely computationally inefficient anti-aliasing.

@Drip7914

Жыл бұрын

@@Superdazzu2 no it doesn’t lmao, dlss3 the latest iteration of dlss actually REDUCES performance due to 10-15x the latency, fsr actually increases performance/quality. (Source - HUB, AdoredTV, NotAnAppleFan, PCworld etc)

@awesomecarl

Жыл бұрын

@@Superdazzu2 Yeah because DLSS is applying that anti aliasing to a lower resolution, instead of native

Standard TAA is often absolutely awful. I'll never understand how it was ever acceptable. DLSS (and fsr) often does a better job dealing with artifacts like ghosting, but obviously it can't compete with the sheer pixel count of native. A prime example is often flowing water. Transparencies often don't create motion vectors so any moving texture gets smeared like crazy with TAA, but dlss is capable of keeping the texture crystal clear in cases

@zxbc1

Жыл бұрын

It kind of depends. For a long time in M&B Bannerlord for example, even DLSS quality gives off major shimmering with water and ripples, and default AA at native looks significantly better. But later DLSS versions fixed some of that. What they should have done is to swap the DLL to latest version for all the comparisons.

@existentialselkath1264

Жыл бұрын

@@zxbc1 for sure, it's not always better. Spiderman for example has very good temporal anti aliasing tech so these issues aren't as apparent. As for older dlss versions, it's extremely easy to replace the dll with a newer version so I don't really consider the older versions anymore

@prman9984

Жыл бұрын

Why even use AA at 4k? It hurts performance and looks worse.

@zxbc1

Жыл бұрын

@@prman9984 To fix aliasing, like you would at any resolution. 4K doesn't somehow fix aliasing, it just makes the aliasing size smaller. For me it's absolutely required for a lot of games because I game on a 48" LG C2 at desktop distance, and I can see aliasing very clearly at this distance. If you game on a big screen in living room couch distance you probably won't need it, although for some games that have very bad aliasing, you will still notice severe shimmering even if you can't see the exact aliasing artifact.

@cptnsx

Жыл бұрын

@@zxbc1 I game on a big screen in 4K since 2016 and hate AA especially TAA with passion. It destroys image quality - its why I HATE these people that say DLSS is BETTER than Native because its NOT. It may be better (image quality) than Native with AA but NOT without.

6:42-6:46, why is the DLSS part stuttering?

another great video. this channel is on fire.

It boils down to anti-aliasing, which can be pretty bad at native. Interesting that the FSR flaws to which Tim most often points are usually also present in the native/TAA presentation. This suggests to me that complaints about FSR are overblown. Yeah, FSR is worse than DLSS, but it's still pretty close to, and in rare cases better than, native quality. And given that modern games tend to have glaring issues otherwise--perhaps micro-transactions, brain-dead gameplay, bad AI/scripting, and/or things like persistent shadow/texture/mesh pop-in--given all of that, I have a hard time stressing out about minute differences in image quality. Still, I prefer to run native when I can.

@mryellow6918

Жыл бұрын

Native + blur

@naturesown4489

Жыл бұрын

It's not just that, DLSS is trained on a 16K resolution dataset which is why it can generate fine detail better than native 4k sometimes.

@DimkaTsv

Жыл бұрын

Which for addition makes up additional point. Unlike DLSS, FSR works with just what it gets, not some magic box of trained data to mask lower resolution source. So, if native have shimmering and stability issues, FSR would get them as well, while sometimes exaggerating, sometimes suppressing. It's not that FSR is bad. It is just that DLSS creates stuff that wasn't there originally. It's also not a bad thing, but by itself it shouldn't make FSR worse technology. And cost of such creation (and reliance for TAA and AI) is ghosting (more for DLSS), or not fixing original shimmering (more for FSR). Probably that DLSS/FSR comparsion should've went with native as well (just not including it in results). Maybe overall conclusion would've not been so negative towards FSR. It is still inferior for multiple reasons, as, for example, there is no magic box to draw stuff from air with. But it doesn't "destroy" playing experience.

@Andytlp

Жыл бұрын

Agree. People forget how bad games looked 15 years ago. Its no longer about graphics or resolution. Gameplay is stagnating more. Physics implementations dont get enough attention nor audio. Worst offender is a.i. Most games have brain dead a.i especially if its a tacked on singleplayer with main focus being multiplayer. Which then make multiplayer bots suck too.

@naturesown4489

Жыл бұрын

@@DimkaTsv I think they do have to train FSR 2 for games somehow, as it cannot be injected into any game like FSR 1 can be with the Magpie mod. I don't know how they do the training though. You make some very good points.

Amazing job on the video! However I can't really see a difference between the 3.😂 So if the game performs well at Native Il'play on Native. If it needs extra push then I go DLSS / FSR Quality.

@huggysocks

Жыл бұрын

Sure, if you don't care about smoothness and just want to take snapshots all day I can see that being ok. I use DLSS for smoothness and cause the flickering in native drives me nuts.

@deyandimitrov7287

Жыл бұрын

@@huggysocks I agree. Upscalers help a lot with 1% lows also. And yea it smooths out the expirience so sometimes it's good even if you have enough frames at Native.

What about at 1080p? I'm just curious.

Random question: why does the video quality on this channel always look so good? Uploaded in a different format?