Imagine a top 10 in the Hof as voted by hall of famers. Keep it the best 10 to ever do it.

@k.p7820

Жыл бұрын

Why would it be too 10 when it’s 11 on the field

@Dabbers41234

Жыл бұрын

well there is offense and defense so its more like 21 on the field at all time. I say top 10 cause just voting the best ever by position kinda screws some people. Like Brady and Montana are both top 10.

Lawerance Taylor goes in the upper room, it needs to be players that changed the game. He did.

@RSMoreno

Жыл бұрын

LT should be one of the all time top 3-5. But he shouldn’t be part of any committee selecting other Best of the Best HoF because cocaine is a helluva drug

@eeNORMous1

Жыл бұрын

I agree 100% bruh But mostly because it's been watered down over the years. Maybe because of the HOF's success ... Too many people who have never played the game voting.. also a reporters biased view of a player that he didn't like can keep a player out... I guess what I'm saying is that it has become almost political

@believer7280

Жыл бұрын

The NFL Hall of Fame is a money-maker. They have to have several players go in each year to keep it a big event. This is why they've started putting in "good" players instead of all-time greats. If it were only all-time greats, some years it would only be 1 or 2 players....which would not be good for business. It's all about the money.

@TDiggz

Жыл бұрын

Moss changed the game

@davidnelson7719

Жыл бұрын

Got to put him wherever the players are highest... ;-)

Well Deion knows he is getting in. Lawrence and Deion are there.

If it is done it should not happen the year they are inducted. There should be a longer waiting period for that. It eliminates some of that recency bias. Maybe 15 years after induction, which would be 20 years after retirement for 1st ballot guys. If they are not still clearly a great after that time, they should not get elevated.

@richardsheeran7425

Жыл бұрын

So when people are nearing death. Got it lol

@markjackson6134

6 ай бұрын

15 is too long but correct.

I remember watching an interview with cops after it took like 8 of them to detain Lawrence Taylor and qoute" he said Lawrence Taylor was the strongest man they ever had to arrest"

You have to start out with “The 1st 50”. That’s the Jim Brown, Deion, LT, Barry Sanders, Peyton, Walter Peyton, Brady, Singletary, Ray Lewis, Deacon Jones, Reggie White, Larry Allen, Ed Reed, etc

I like the idea of a separate room of the best of the best of the best chosen by fellow hall of famers.

Eli getting in the hall of fame is just wild to me. He won 8 playoff games and in every game his defense didn’t over 20 once. But that’s what good connections will do for you

@PoeDaddyRay

Жыл бұрын

Eli is the ONLY QB to beat the Goat QB (Brady) TWICE!!!! That has to count for something

@yonamzigu291

Жыл бұрын

@@PoeDaddyRay that thing is called New York Giants hall of fame or ring of honor, they should even retire his jersey if they can but not the hall

@oblivieon1567

Жыл бұрын

He also chose the team he went to after college effectively making draft order irrelevant. But hey there are certain "privileges" when your last name is Manning.

@5000jetadam

Жыл бұрын

@@PoeDaddyRay You want to put Nick Foles in too?

@izraelite2908

Жыл бұрын

@@PoeDaddyRay Except him and Goat weren't playing each other... they were playing each other's defenses #BADARGUMENT

Yes, there should be some sort of ring of honor in the hall of Fame. There's some guess that barely squeaked in and some guys that were no brainers.

Love how Joe Montana casually strolls by in the background at 7:07 as these dudes are discussing if an upper room is a good idea.

I'm done with the HOF the day Eli is given a jacket he didn't earn.

@KCShox

Жыл бұрын

Yeah because Joe Namath and his below .500 record, 50 percent completion percentage, and 173 TD passes to 220 INTs oozes HOFer. Eli deserves to be a HOFer way more than some QBs already in it.

@oaklandtraphouse

Жыл бұрын

You ca t tell the story of the nfl with out Eli

@HitsTownUSA

Жыл бұрын

@@KCShox I gave up after Warner got in. He had a few short great years with the Rams but after that his career wasn’t consistent.

Once they let Kurt Warner in after having like 4 good years in St. Louis and 2 and a half good years in Arizona was wild.

Every great museum has an exclusive wing or gallery showcasing it's most special and valuable treasures. The Louvre has the Denon Wing and the Musee d' Orsay in Paris has Upper Level "1". It makes so much sense that the pro football HOF should have the same. It's great for the game and for business. I like the idea that the hall of fame induction continues as it is now and the "upper room" is a furtherance of that process determined by a committee of halll of fame players. Prime is spot on with this idea of a "Legends" wing or upper level/ room. It would only add to the mystique and popularity of the NFL HOF. Also, Florio might be on to something to make it an exclusive TV event. Go NFL Films. Fans would love to see that process! Build it and they will come.

@moogs05

Жыл бұрын

Nobody cares about The Paris hall of fame .

@JJ-Toreddie

Жыл бұрын

"If you build it. HE will come"

@jamesaustin7

Жыл бұрын

@@moogs05 I do. And it's my comment, so that's all that matters. Thanks.

@daveconleyportfolio5192

Жыл бұрын

Art is made by individuals, and football is as complex a team game as ever created. There are phenomenal players whose impact was limited by playing for bad clubs, and players playing positions who will never rack up great stats. Deion wouldn't be in the Hall at all without someone else doing the tackling.

@SundevilRoadrunner

Жыл бұрын

@@daveconleyportfolio5192 “Deion Sanders wouldn’t be in the hall of fame without someone else doing the tackling” huh?

Yes, all of our Hall of Fame’s have turned into hall of good

@iloveyoumadhuri

Жыл бұрын

It’s more like a hall of whatever.

@MosheGoldbergTheKing

Жыл бұрын

I think you're talking about the Basketball Hall of Participation.

@izraelite2908

Жыл бұрын

Hall of 'Oh Yeah I Remember That Guy'

Any argument that applies to Eli manning also applied to Edelman.

@RK-um9tu

Жыл бұрын

And that argument is that neither belong but Edelman should even be mentioned as a Pats HOFer...

the Hall of Fame should be for players who are famous before entering the Hall, not because they were voted there due to some stat boy becoming enlightened comparing spreadsheets while trying to figure out how to fill a quota

Neon Deion is right, especially if Eli gets in.

@Him_Downstairs36

Жыл бұрын

Joe Namath got in. Eli is miles better

I think it's impossible to implement... I think it's more important have eras of different HOF. And you can have top guys from those eras.

Great show, as always, guys!

@laurenirby3782

Жыл бұрын

Yes! Deion is usually always right!

I don't care what anyone says, Zach Thomas deserves to be in the HOF.

@Jake-jo4fw

Жыл бұрын

What's super funny is as I'm listening to Prime talking about guys who don't deserve to be next to LT, Zach Thomas is the first guy I thought of lol

@msp5138

Жыл бұрын

Newsflash, he is in the HOF...

Questioning if Peyton should be in the 'Upper Room'?!? AB-SO-LUTELY!

@Qd322

Жыл бұрын

FREAKIN-LUTELY!

@znhait

9 ай бұрын

Shocking take from a so-called expert. The man is a 4-time MVP winner.

Stop letting below HOF guys in.

I agree with Coach Prime. Now it's like when your standing in line waiting to be let into the popular night club and the bouncer unhooks the rope and allows a group of people to rush inside before closing the rope temporarily just to open it again for the next group

They need to get rid of the quota for NEW and recently retired players and give more slots to the senior player group to get in before more of them die or get too old for induction. It's ridiculous some of the players that are glaring omissions.

Whats frustrating is players from the past were left out before all this quota voting so you have the guys like Ken Riley, Ken Anderson, Stanley Morgan, Phil Sims , Otis Anderson, Roger Craig, Rosey Grier, LC Greenwood, Harold Jackson, Cornelius Bennett, Chuck Howley, Eric Allen, Tim McDonald who don't get looked at but them more modern players slide in.

@monochrome493

Жыл бұрын

SIMS, MORGAN, ANDERSON, ANDERSON, MCDONALD NOT HOF

@msp5138

Жыл бұрын

From that list, only 5 time 1st team All-Pro (and SB MVP) Chuck Howley belongs in the HOF...

@dkeiepps5606

Жыл бұрын

Phil Simms and Ottis Andersen aren’t HOFs…not even close

@christiansoldier77

Жыл бұрын

@@dkeiepps5606 Yeah but there are guys no better than they are who are already in

I'm kind of sick of people changing things in an attempt to make EVERYTHING perfect and we end up with a mess. Folks, like it or not life is not perfect, life is unfair, life is hard, life is not easy so we should make our best effort to deal with the good, bad and ugly and simply do the best we can to make as much as we can fair for all but NO matter what we do someone will be unhappy.

Imo need to either have A. Changed the game B. Been one of the best at your position in all of nfl history.

Yes Coach prime is correct 💯

Is Florio okay..... did he just question if Peyton Manning would be in the "Upper Room" of the HOH? are you kidding me... Thank you Simms for putting some respect on Peyton. It's like people forget how special he was in his Prime. That neck injury cost us fans some really good Manning years.. its too bad. Loved watching him play.

@mourka01

Жыл бұрын

He won with neck in denver though didn't he or was that before?

@QuinnMakeUp

Жыл бұрын

@@mourka01 Im saying it shortened his career... his arm strength was never the same and got worse and worse with time.. and more hits. his record breaking 51 TDs season came after the neck injury... It's just sad that happened and cost him/fans some good playing years.

@Steven-lb4bl

Жыл бұрын

He miraculously got better after his wife got HGH. Cough cough

@msp5138

Жыл бұрын

@@Steven-lb4bl Facts!

They should have a wing for great moments. Like Vicks Monday night cleats, the first responder to help Hamlin photo, things like thst

@ljlowe2990

Жыл бұрын

Man shut up lol

@Jake-jo4fw

Жыл бұрын

They already collect that stuff

The NFL 100 team members could be the committee

Maybe a top 100 wing

I can't believe Florio entertained the idea of not putting Peyton Manning in that upper room. The meaning of that room is about players who were different from the rest. I'm a bit young, but guys like Unitas, Jim Brown, Walter Payton, LT, Deion Sanders, Brady, Manning, Marino...they're mythical figures. The same cannot be said of Warren Sapp, Michael Irvin, and similar players. They're all HoF, but they didn't change the game. It's sort of a backhanded compliment, but what I think is that the truly elite players deserve that recognition.

What I hate about this debate is that people always bring Eli Manning up in it. First, he hasn't been up put in and second there are a lot of players you could question before him.

Prime is right. The players who played know the real game-changers. It's not exclusive if you let everyone in.

there shouldn't have been a need for this upper room. The HOF should of been the upper room and so many of these guys didn't deserve it in the first place

What you are saying, and what very many believe, is that the HoF has been devalued over many years, by admitting great players in their time, but not generationally talented ones. I think that if you made that determination today, half of the busts would be ineligible. Having an annual quota is ridiculous.

Phil Simms could push all he wanted but no one is putting him in the HOF.

@tonyevers2663

Жыл бұрын

It really shows how much the game has changed. When Phil Simms retired he was 8th all time in career passing yards. There are 8 active QBs (not counting Brady) that are above him today.

@ericthomas151

Жыл бұрын

Sh%$ What's the difference between Phil Simms, Ronde Barber and Zach Thomas?

@ericthomas151

Жыл бұрын

Why Zach Thomas in before Phil Simms?

@msp5138

Жыл бұрын

@@ericthomas151 Here is the difference: -Zach Thomas has five 1st and two 2nd team All-Pro selections; made the all decade 2000s team. -Ronde Barber has three 1st and two 2nd team All-Pro selections; made the all decade 2000s team. -Phil Simms has.... You are welcome for the free education.

7:07 walking by is definitely in the upper room!

•You have the GREATEST of all-time at a position (Lawrence Taylor) •You have one of the greatest of all-time at a position (Mike Singletary) •Based on their body of work over a long career with great stats (Curtis Martin) •Based on a good career that had iconic championship moments (Lynn Swann) •Based on a good career on an iconic team and had iconic moments (Drew Person) They're all HOFers. An upper room is a dumb idea. It would tarnish the hall of fame.

No. Everyone in the HOF isn't equal and people are perfectly capable of figuring that out on their own through stats and awards. Deion is honestly being a dick with this opinion. Yes we know you're better than most of the people in the HOF that doesn't mean you have to punch down and be mean to the borderline candidates. They're not disrespecting you you're disrespecting them.

Gotta love Coach Prime, but there's no need for an extra wing....true fans know who the best of the best were. Those of us who grew up watching Neon Deion know that he was one of the greatest of all time

GOAT ... LAWRENCE TAYLOR ... MICHAEL VICK ... DEION SANDERS ... JIM BROWN

I can't believe Simeon Rice isn't in the Hall of fame. How about we just put the best players in the Hall of Fame and that's it. There's no need for a upper crust, only the best players should get in period.

@msp5138

Жыл бұрын

I can...

@sonyarice7716

Жыл бұрын

@@msp5138 How so? 🤔

A few easy answers for the upper Room. Lawrence Taylor, Deion Sanders, Tom Brady, Jerry Rice, Joe Montana.

Dead right!! NBA definitely needs an upper room section of ALL hall of fames'...

@Ekim1740

Жыл бұрын

yeah. Yao ming a hall of famer? what?

At 3:30 they’re talking about Eli Manning and Toni Boselli

@andrewmartinez9992

Жыл бұрын

Boselli didn’t deserve it

I believe they should put certain players in a shrine in the back where the lights are a little Brighter and the Bus is a little shinier

Zach Thomas getting in probably sparked this debate

If there's going to be an upper room, there also needs to be a basement. That's where you put Eli, if he gets in at all

@msp5138

Жыл бұрын

Eli belongs in the closet of that basement...

@georgewashington1106

Жыл бұрын

@@msp5138 - The janitors closet hopefully

The concept that players have clue is bizarre. How many players competed against Otto Graham?

@msp5138

Жыл бұрын

What is bizarre is that you think you know more than HOF players...lol

@johnbox271

Жыл бұрын

@@msp5138 I don't vote. The fact that you think recency bias should determine who is the best of the best says it all.

GOD IS GOOD ❤️ HBCU'S

President of the upper room in the background at 7:09.

Make first ballot HOF have their own area.

Prime actually have a point

There should be a “1st ballot” wing

Outside of the two Super Bowl runs Eli Manning never made the Giants consistently competitive.

love this idea

Devin Hester needs to be in - He changed the Game

@510MELLYMEL

Жыл бұрын

It's criminal that him and Patrick willis have had to wait at all. Both should've been 1st ballot.

I agree with Deion there should be a upper room for the truly special players the real game changers who changed the game like Deion Lawrence Taylor, Barry Sanders , Reggie white , Peyton Manning , Jim brown, Ray Lewis , Ed Reed, Walter Payton , Jerry rice , Joe Montana , John elway Dan Marino Tony gonzalez soon to be Tom Brady these guys are the upper room and others guys that I forgot to mention but they should be distances of the hall of fame

@datruth2179

Жыл бұрын

Mike Vick definitely changed the game fist QB ever with that speed

Isn't that what the NFL 100 team was for?

Should be the all-Time team. 11 Offense Players 11 Defense Players 2-3 Special Team Players 1 Coach 1 Owner If you put someone in, someone else comes out.

The biggest case for the hall of Fame that still isn't getting in is London Fletcher

@joshclayton6436

Жыл бұрын

And he's only getting snubbed for who he played for or who his teams owner is really soon as Snyder sells the team hell get in you watch

@msp5138

Жыл бұрын

Isn't he a British actor?

Nooooo. Maybe a one person room named "Biggest Ego in Sports" 🤣

I think the hall of farmers don't have enough say in who gets in. If the media had less say T.O. would have got in 1st ballot like he should have.

@icnow2

Жыл бұрын

Agree

They already have a distinction... First Ballot HOF, Second Ballot HOF, Third Ballot HOF, etc etc....

Yes! & another thing… if there’s a year where only 2 or 3 guys actually deserve to get in then so be it. Stop trying to fill up the event with guys who were just “good” or Players/GM’s that are 100 years old.. if it took 30 40 years to get in…. Then you probably aren’t a hall of famer

Who is in the qb elite room? Brady, Manning, Elway, Montana are locks? Is Sammy Baugh, Otto Graham, Unitas not there, too? Bart Starr?

You go best player from each position. Then players vote if someone from a newer class takes a previous spot. It should be an honor and 1 of 1.

It's really the hall of numbers. No one was more famous or better that Bo.

I agree. The fact Edgerrin James was elected...I mean come on.

Patrick Mahomes belongs on the upper deck no question asked

There should be one room with one spot for each position for the best player in that position as voted on by all HOF players.

@Shemzinho

7 ай бұрын

Great idea 💯

Just stop letting everyone in . Upper room is just gonna cause controversy.

As a Giants fan Eli belongs in the HOF but not first ballot. Players who are close to the Hall I always ask could you tell the story of the NFL without them and Eli you can’t. He has the numbers,the rings, beat the goat twice in the Super Bowl,super bow mvp,the 49ers game,the packers twice at lambaeu, and is was apart of 3 of the best passes/catches all time (helmet catch,Odell fingertip, and Manningham on the sideline). He’s nowhere near on the level of Brady or his brother…so I do agree there should be an upper room that has players like Reggie White,LT,Deon,Ed Reed,Ray Lewis,Jerry Rice,Brady, Aaron Donald when it’s his time…these players were just waaaaay better than their counterparts so they should be acknowledged for that.

Fred Taylor deserve to be in the hall of Fame

@MagicAIDSJohnson68

Жыл бұрын

No

@HanSoloBolo

Жыл бұрын

Nope. At least not before Roger Craig and Eddie George...Ricky Waters and a couple more.

@dvkgaming5863

Жыл бұрын

I could see beast mode in before those guys

@HanSoloBolo

Жыл бұрын

@@dvkgaming5863 Beastmode should definitely get in

@msp5138

Жыл бұрын

As the janitor maybe...

There should only be allowed two - three attempts at the Hall. After that no more

It's called 1st ballot

@casteine

Жыл бұрын

Well, you are right because they always mention 1st ballot when the player gets that way.

This reminds me of the “Frasier” episode where Nile’s and Frasier go to a spa and keep wanting to go to the next door, and the final door was the back door to the garbage alley.

Based on these recent inductions there's no reason Eli shouldn't make it in.

@msp5138

Жыл бұрын

Sorry Payton, you are dead wrong. -Zero All-Pro selections in 15 years -4 Pro Bowl in 15 years -Career record was 117-117 -Carrer passer rating is 60th (during QB friendly era) -Never had a passer rating over 94 and was over 90 only 5 times -Lead the league in INT 3 times (TDs once)

If Eli goes to the HOF then why not Phil Simms?

Louis Wright belongs in the Hall of Fame

@dirk4858

Жыл бұрын

And Randy Gradishar

My wife and I were just talking about something like this for the Rock and Roll HoF. I mean The Beatles are in with Nine Inch Nails (no disrespect to NIN but they’re not The Beatles or Rolling Stones). Cat Stevens with Elvis and Chuck Berry. So this is great idea for Pro Football HoF! The immortals should be separate!

@Watchingvideoslikeu

Жыл бұрын

Yeah not every Singer, Rapper, or Band with a few number one albums should be in the hall of fame. The hall of fame should be for transcendent artists & athletes.

Yeah lets put a CB in an "elite" wing of the HOF who was afraid to tackle anyone unless it was from behind.

Eli & His Defense Beat A Team That If Won Would Go Down As Greatest Team In History &&& To Add To His Other Against Them !!!!

Anyone thats a first ballot guy would probably be in that room

@trentb229

Жыл бұрын

Nah, Politics Made Some Wait That Should've Been 1st Ballot. & The Yr You Retired Could Also Effect It. U Have Stacked Classes & U Have Some Classes With Guys Who Wouldn't Make It In Any Other Yr Due To Retiring @ The Right Time...

@larryking2698

Жыл бұрын

@@trentb229 i didnt think of it like that, i meant when you rmbr watching a guy play during their career, everyone would refer to them as first ball HOF and there would be no debate/little debate about it. Now that whole politics aspect is not something i was aware of.

@trentb229

Жыл бұрын

@@larryking2698 Thats How It Should Be. If U Have 2 Think About If Someone Is A Hall of Famer, Then They Shouldn't Be In The Hall of Fame🤷🏾‍♂️

@trentb229

Жыл бұрын

@Cody Hess I Don't Disagree, But There Have Been Some 1st Ballots Guys That Should've Had 2 Wait, Compared To The Guys They Did Make Wait

@fulaan1

Жыл бұрын

@@trentb229Terrel Owens

If they picked the ten greatest defenders regardless of position is Deion on the list? At DB is he over Woodson, Reed, Polamalu, and Lott? LB is Taylor and Lewis but does Bednarik, Brooks, Butkus, Lambert, Lanier, Nitschke, Simgletary, et al make it to the exclusive room?

@monochrome493

Жыл бұрын

YES DEION IS A TOP 4 PLAYER ALL TIME, THERE IS NO DB BETTER THAN DEION

@msp5138

Жыл бұрын

@@monochrome493 Deion is not a top 4 player all-time and he would even agree with me.

@msp5138

Жыл бұрын

Good list but you left out: Jack Ham (8 All-Pros), Bobby Bell (9 AFL/NFL All-Pros). I'd put Bell over Ham because he was the first "true" athlete at LBer.

@HitsTownUSA

Жыл бұрын

@@msp5138 Willie Lanier is also in the discussion. 8x all pro middle linebacker

If there is a wing to the hall of Fame it should be for the best at their position. With only 1 person per position. If someone is judged better than you your then out .

Lawd... This is crazy 😧

It would just be the 10 greatest QB's

@R17759

Жыл бұрын

No

Eli is not the best example of a borderline. For one, beating the GOAT twice, on two of the best playoff runs we've seen from a QB he's in. The 0.500 record is partially, but fair from all of his fault. Look how bad the team was from 2013-2019. Mismanagement by Reese and Gettleman, and awful coaching post Coughlin had a massive role in the awful Giants seasons for that half decade

@TheAston316

Жыл бұрын

He led the league in interceptions 3 times and tds 1 once. If they vote him in its only because of the two superbowls. Probably only one play which should have been called back for multiple holds

@yonamzigu291

Жыл бұрын

Alot of QBs have beaten Tom more than once, that is a pathetic reason to make somebody a hall of famer

fillage - "the process of filling something to a specific age or stage in its development." "to describe the process of filling a container with a specific type of material until it reaches a certain age or stage of development." Fillage in the Pro Football Hall of Fame: "The Pro Football Hall of Fame filled its galleries with memorabilia and exhibits to reach the desired fillage for showcasing the history and legacy of the sport." The word "fillage" is a neologism, or newly created word, that combines the Old English word "fyllan" (to fill) and the Old French word "aage" (life span or lifetime). The word was created to describe the process of filling something to a specific age or stage in its development. This term specifically refers to the process of filling a container with a specific type of material until it reaches a certain age or stage of development. The word "fyllan" has been in use in the English language for many centuries, with roots in Old English. It has a number of different meanings, including: - To make full or complete - To occupy (a space or container) completely - To add material to (something) so as to make it full or complete - To put (something) into a space or container so that it is full The word "aage" has Middle English roots, and comes from the Old French word "aage," which means "life span" or "lifetime." It has been in use in the English language for many centuries and has a number of different meanings, including: - The length of time that a person or thing has existed - A particular stage in the development or evolution of a person or thing - A particular historical period or generation

Basically the upper room of the hall of fame should be the players on the 100 all time team.

I had no idea the hall of fame had a quota. That's ridiculous because baseball doesn't have that and has years where no one gets in. So really what Deion is asking for is a "new" hall of fame that's the REAL one and everyone will, wink wink, know that the inner wing is the real hall. Every hall of fame has questionable inclusions and kicking people out is a controversial idea but at best just fix the current system. The quota is a problem so get rid of it and the hall will get less watered down as the years go by. Baseball had a controversy where Frankie Frisch essentially inducted all his friends. Some bad hall of famers got in but they didn't kick them out or create a new sub-hall within the hall. They just tried to make sure that situation wouldn't happen again (until Harold Baines' friends screwed that up).

Enjoy watching.

Dion played him like a fiddle.. what a beautiful set up I'm agree with Dion the best-of-the-best should decide who are the elite of the best

Anyone who wins two super bowls as a quarterback who leads both teams to a super bowl should be in the Hall of Fame. What about Hester!!!? If you want to question someone who should be in the Hall of Fame question Troy aikman Devin Hester anyone else who has bad numbers compared to others ... Hester, I mentioned because he has to be inducted as a wide receiver. I'm pretty sure they don't induct kick or punt returners into the Hall of Fame and that's probably the reason why he hasn't been inducted is because he'd have to go in as a wide receiver or potentially a cornerback because that's what he was drafted as

Two rings Eli is good

I vote for Hollywood Henderson.

Montana , rice , Taylor , prime , Lewis.