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@ashlaibrown5453

2 жыл бұрын

I always assumed the reason darcy did not have a title stems from family pride. If I am correct Henry the 8th had been the one to remove the titles from house darcy due to them letting the rebels of pigrimageof faith through. ( thought to be done out of kindness) If that is the case, and I am no expert, then mr darcy not having a title but having a lords wealth and status would match up with reality as if I am not incorrect during that time a darcy uncle had a title. My pride thesis comes from the fact that many darcy's were said to be offered thier title back after henry removed it but refused on principle. Therefore he would in principle be eligible by wealth, connection and blood to get a special license. It would alsoexplain how an earl's daughter would be allowed to marry a mare gentleman in George Darcy when her sister was able to marry the supposed wealthy and titled sir louis de bourge.

@ashlaibrown5453

2 жыл бұрын

Also why did you decrease down. As if the book related that during the time they were existing they earned the amount why change it?

@Vincenza8907

2 жыл бұрын

It’s really interesting that you would mention that your biggest sources for Darcy’s finances would be Mrs. Bennet and Mr. Collins. Talking about someone’s money is…. Socially unacceptable? It is tacky, and these two, while well meaning, are very tacky. So, maybe Jane wanted to make a point how comfortable Mr. Darcy was, but it couldn’t have been brought up by Mr. Bennet or someone who has more manners. It had to be through socially ridiculous people.

@ashlaibrown5453

2 жыл бұрын

@@Vincenza8907 How you reasoned your statement comes off... not quite right or coherent. I would like for you to explain what you meant about her using the statements to identify the wealth of mr darcy as ridiculous. For one: all of this discussion is hypothetical and her discussing a characters"s supposed wealth should never be seen as tacky since it is not even relating to real situations. If that is what you meant by tacky that is. Second: Austens use of these seemingly ridiculous characters to inform the reader of the darcy wealth and even bingley's income is playing the part of not only assisting the reader togain insight into the motives of the persons and darcy as it relates to his wealth and status but also relate facts in a way that was not meant to come off as just throwing out facts. Yes in the time period this would have been truly poor manners but for me it shows a level calculating intelligence in mrs. Bennet and mr collins which is oft ignored by others due to the former manners rather than used to evaluate thier person on a deeper level.

@Vincenza8907

2 жыл бұрын

@@ashlaibrown5453 I did not say that us talking about a fictional characters wealth was tacky. It would be moronic to deduce that from what I said. What I meant was Jane Austen, the author, wanted to get across that Mr. Darcy was wealthy and to even be specific about his finances (again not say Jane Austen is tacky.) I think she wanted to convey that Mr. Darcy was in a social class far above the Bennett’s and even the Bingley’s. It would be seen as low class for respectable people in society to talk about Darcy’s wealth. So, how could Jane get specific about Darcy’s finances without just saying it in the narration. In the context of the book, it would have had to have come from characters who unknowingly commit quite a few social faux pas.

It wasn't just the money that made him illustrious. He was the eldest son of the daughter of an Earl, and he was the nephew of an Earl. In terms of British society, that's more important than money, because even without the money, it would give you access to a level of society, and all the attendant privileges (and credit) that lesser people wouldn't get. It's partially true even today.

@Petaurista13

2 жыл бұрын

to the point that as far as I know it was historically accurate in Europe for poor noble families to marry kid with rich not-noble family. F.e. in m country (which is not really England tbh) some nobles (especially in some regions) were literally poor but they still had titles and most importantly: with title each of them had vote equal to any other noble (which was important as nobles were kind of deciding about most of important stuff including electing new king, getting involved in war, etc.). So even if noble was really poor and some merchants were much more rich they merchant could want to marry daughter with even poor noble as his grandsons would be part of most influential social group in country. Lvl of it? Merchant: could buy expensive coat or sth, could't carry saber, could't decide much Any noble: could carry saber if had money, not only had equal vote on any voting during Sejmiki and Sejm (yes, that's official name according to Wikipedia, somehow they aren't translated into Parliament) but could actually end any voting instantly no matter ratio of votes using liberum veto, highly criticized law of any noble to do so. Of course nobles weren't deciding about much as it would require to bother them multiple times per year and they didn't have fast trains to travel whole country in one day, but still

@me0375

2 жыл бұрын

@@Petaurista13 a famous example of this happening in England are the ‘Dollar Princesses’ in the Victorian era - wealthy American heiresses who married titled English men in need/want of a cash boost, which is similar to the money for prestige exchange you mentioned. Consuelo Vanderbilt is a notable example. Sadly didn’t lead to great happiness for everyone, so I guess the lesson is that marrying for love is a privilege in itself

@whatevergoesforme5129

2 жыл бұрын

Actually, it is erroneous to say that financial status didn't count. Darcy wouldn't be a catch if he were a cash-poor nobility or gentry. That was why later on cash-poor titled nobles married American heiresses to maintain their estates.

@adailydaughter6196

2 жыл бұрын

Indeed lol

@shekiramalcolm4769

2 жыл бұрын

@@whatevergoesforme5129 as illustrated in downton abbey

"I'd rather not. He's so..." "So what?" "He's so rich" "By heavens Lizzy! What a snob you are! Objecting to poor Mr. Darcy because of his wealth! The poor man can't help it."

@xCheshirx

2 жыл бұрын

The poor man* 😅

@Atlas_Gaming_BR

2 жыл бұрын

I love that scene in the movie. I laugh so hard every time I watch it!!

@luizalacaille9155

2 жыл бұрын

This quote is perfect 😅

@robbierose8246

2 жыл бұрын

@@luizalacaille9155 One of my favourites! 😂

@robinsonsomething

2 жыл бұрын

@@Atlas_Gaming_BR 100% yes!!

Someone has said that Mr Darcy leaping into his carriage to search for Lydia and Wickham was the equivalent today of a wealthy man leaping into a helicopter to speed up his search.

@snowwilliams5871

4 ай бұрын

Yeah because he was able to 'OWN' a carriage, not 'RENT' a carriage. Similar to today Owning a Helicopter Vs Renting it for a ride.

It is a truth universally acknowledged that the genius of Jane Austen was to make us feel sympathy for the One-Percenters when they are being snubbed by the Zero-Point-One-Percenters

@raisyrosye7656

2 жыл бұрын

😂✋

@wajihugh

2 жыл бұрын

Hah! Good one 😂

@theab3957

2 жыл бұрын

So is that all you took from her stories?

@salicecanady6522

2 жыл бұрын

@@theab3957 It was a funny comment, Thea B! Of course, there was much more than that to be taken from Austen's novels.

@Iseeization

4 ай бұрын

Yeah, literature is full of faux poor people (Little Women is another example). It's all about genteel poverty--which is still gentle enough to move in the same circles as people like Darcy and Laurie, get invited to fancy dinners by your other, richer friends who make you feel poor when you're actually insanely privileged for your time.

One reason that Darcy fell in love with Elizabeth was because he had to earn her love, not with his money, but by demonstrating his good character. Therefore he could be sure when he won her in the end that she loved him for himself and not for his money. This inspired his affection in addition to the qualities he admired in her - her intelligence, her spirit, and her own good character. I don't include her beauty because as he initially dubbed her "barely tolerable" and it was universally proclaimed that Jane was the great beauty of the Bennett family, he only came to think her beautiful as he came to know her inner beauty. I'm not suggesting that Elizabeth was not good-looking but that Darcy, unlike Elizabeth's own father, would not have been captured by mere physical charms. No matter how beautiful she was, Darcy would not have loved her simply for that. Whereas Mr. Bennett married Mrs. Bennett to his regret based only upon her looks without getting to know the person within.

@EllieDashwood

3 жыл бұрын

That’s such a good point! And a super interesting contrast between Darcy and Mr Bennet!

@Lina-lq7jm

3 жыл бұрын

I somewhat disagree. He fell in love with her not because he had to earn her love. He fell for her even before he did that (a point well made by the previous commenter, Jonathan Parks). I believe that he fell for her because she was one of the few who didn't pursue him because of his wealth. One on hand we could say that it shows her good character - she wants a good person and doesn't care if he is rich, but on the other hand... she changed her mind about Mr. Darcy precisely when she actually saw his wealth. Not before. (Before she only knew about it, but knowing and actually seeing are two different things). Not to mention that I never thought of her to be someone with a good character. She is too stubborn. She thinks so highly of herself that she looks down on almost everyone around her. Her treatment of Lydia was awful; and Lydia is only 15 and in serious need of guidance. She trashed Mr. Darcy to everyone who could listen after Wickham told her his lies. Even if it were true, what right did she have to trash him to others?

@MandieTerrier

3 жыл бұрын

And Miss Bingley was so thirsty for his attention. Like, girl, he is not that into you.

@jemimapeach483

3 жыл бұрын

@@Lina-lq7jm i personally think that there WAS some physical attraction in the mix as well because the bennet sisters were All supposed to be good looking except mary who was "plain" by comparison, and he was captivated by the beautiful expression of her fine eyes. her refusal served to show even more of her positive attributes and made him even more in love in the longs run. but the first proposal was for beauty with a hint of her character.

@reflections-of-a-young-lady

3 жыл бұрын

Very well said. I really like that.

We've all seen his estate, the guy is LOADED

@raisyrosye7656

2 жыл бұрын

Haha, yes, indeed! 😂✋ He’s probably got hundreds of rooms in his home.

@rdh-daliasjb3796

2 жыл бұрын

After all, he does own the miserable half of Derbyshire.

@catherinecarter3465

2 жыл бұрын

You've seen Chatsworth in the films,the home of the Dukes of Devonshire who even now are unbelievably rich, far beyond the reach of mere millionaires. Pemberley is no more Chatsworth than it is Windsor Castle where the King lived.

@mari-kr7nq

2 жыл бұрын

I FUCKING LOVE YOUR PROFILE PIC

@raisyrosye7656

2 жыл бұрын

@@mari-kr7nq Who mines?

I loved the comparison with today’s richest people. If I was to marry into the Este Lauder family, I doubt my mom would have been disappointed that I hadn’t snagged a Bezos.

@jitaamesuluma9730

2 жыл бұрын

well see love of money is for people who have no love of self , i lived rich and poor , in honesty money is nice but for truth money can not make you happy

@EllieDashwood

2 жыл бұрын

😂😂😂

@Zeus67

2 жыл бұрын

@@jitaamesuluma9730 You're right, money by itself will not make anybody happy but just having enough money to deal with unexpected situations is a huge stress reliever and thus part of a happy life.

@Morit0

2 жыл бұрын

@@Zeus67 I agree, currently i dont have any single problem that money couldnt solve

@h4ppy3nd

2 жыл бұрын

@@jitaamesuluma9730 I've never been happier than I am now that I am not poor and stressed constantly about money.

It is noted in the Penguin Classics edition of Pride and Prejudice that Darcy's wealth would put him in the top 400 wealthiest people in the UK at the time. Effectively making him one of the richest men on the planet.

@MandyJMaddison

2 жыл бұрын

Not really. The wealth of the English nobility was insignificant compared with the wealth of nobility in other countries. Nowadays the Queen of England is far from being the richest noble on the planet.

@aiena2305

2 жыл бұрын

@@MandyJMaddison No, you have to understand that during the early 1800s the British empire was expanding hugely and was almost at the peak of its power. The British East India company alone was bringing in a lot of riches from India, Southern Asia and Africa. The British empire at the time was at the height of all colonial powers and probably one of the richest empires of the world. Also, at the time, a lot of the nobility, seeing the riches coming from the East, started investing in companies like the East India Company. And considering that Darcy was a rich and intelligent man, he would probably have investments like those. And income from those investments probably exceeded his estate income. A lot of the rich royals of the present day only got rich because they started exploiting and exporting natural resources such as oil and precious gems.

@rosepinkskyblue

2 жыл бұрын

Despite the power of the east India company, darcy’s wealth would not have benefited just because Britain did overall To my knowledge, Mr. Darcy had no holdings in that company In fact, his wealth would dwindle in comparison in the coming years because the industrial revolution was in boom whereas Mr. Darcy’s earnings came primarily from land, and unless he had some mining activities there, agriculture would not be able to keep up with the growth rate of the industrial sector

@rosepinkskyblue

2 жыл бұрын

He could have been making other investments but I guess there’s no point speculating about that One might argue that there would’ve been hundreds of kings at the time, possibly in lands with less chance of crop failure who would’ve been richer than darcy lol The economy was much less “global” in those times, so there’s really no way to compare the currencies of far away countries with minimal trade relations but if we’re talking gold standard then Africa or India was probably richer, although gold hardly matters if there’s a lack of development For example, cold countries would definitely have valued crops and livestock more than metal

@MandyJMaddison

2 жыл бұрын

@@aiena2305 The Russian Nobility more considerably more wealthy. But the Americans were already far outdoing the Brits in wealth.

No wonder why he was so guarded, and his friends were so protective, people were always after his money. Wickham really was aiming high when he went after Darcy's sister. Wickham really must have lost a lot of money when he turned down that clergy job.

@EllieDashwood

2 жыл бұрын

That's such a good point about how guarded he was!

@MandyJMaddison

2 жыл бұрын

A "living" as it was called, meant a lifetime of security and a comfortable home to the person who had it. It meant that the church that was on the estate, or in the village of the wealthy landowner, was their livelihood, and they would also have the Rectory that belonged to it. as their home. But he would not have been rich in the clergy job.

@clairestz1328

Жыл бұрын

Protective to an extent; Caroline Bingley wanted to attract Darcy's attention --perhaps because she felt she was part of the privileged few who had access to him, and who thus deserved him.

@Larkin4840

7 ай бұрын

​@@clairestz1328Caroline was new money from a nobody family. They had money but no title. She wanted Darcy for his name and fortune more than for who he actually was

@edennis8578

5 ай бұрын

​@@MandyJMaddisonYet as the respectable vicar, he would've been welcome everywhere and he would meet wealthy women. He wouldn't be the only vicar to marry into a wealthy family. He also would've been around Darcy's sister a great deal, if he wanted to seduce her. Almost nobody had better opportunities for seduction than men of the cloth.

Given that Lady Catherine de Bourgh wants him to marry her daughter so badly that she travels to Longbourne to get Elizabeth's promise she would not marry Darcy I'd say pretty dang rich Lady Catherine does not strike me as the type to marry her daughter to her nephew out of familial affection unless it was also very much to her advantage.

@EllieDashwood

3 жыл бұрын

That is a great indication! And the video was already too long, or I would have included the fact that the book does indicate that Darcy is richer than the de Bourghs.

@Amcsae

3 жыл бұрын

@Jonathan Parks I never considered how old Ms. DeBourgh was! I have wondered ehy the marriage hadn't taken place already- I assumed she was still young (15-18ish, like a more proper and sickly Lydia/Kitty)

@cacovie

3 жыл бұрын

@Jonathan Parks Two years at most.

@katehurstfamilyhistory

3 жыл бұрын

@Jonathan Parks I think you're right; Darcy is 28-ish, so Anne de Bourgh must be somewhere between 26 and 30, and I think it's quite telling that she has remained single all of that time. Lady Catherine makes all these claims about how Anne hasn't made her debut in London because she is "sickly" but I bet if Anne was out in society, all her potential suitors would be put off by their prospective mother-in-law. It wouldn't surprise me if the supposed engagement started off years earlier, with some innocent comment from Darcy's mother about how nice it would be if the two infants married one day, and (in Lady Catherine's mind) that became an engagement. Realisticallly, a woman of Anne de Bourgh's age then would probably have been married a few years with a couple of children; it's interesting to compare the way that Charlotte Lucas' brothers think she is an "old maid" at 27, because she is probably more or less the same age as Anne. So maybe that side of it was starting to irritate Lady Catherine, too?

@Rebecca_English

3 жыл бұрын

@Jonathan Parks Oh, but the eminent Lady Catherine was not to be denied! She had decreed Darcy's engagement to Miss de Bourgh in their infancy, and so it shall take place! Miss de Bourgh would marry Darcy or no one. The young people's personal inclinations didn't matter in the slightest. I'm sure that every time Darcy visited, Lady Catherine assumed he was there to court her daughter. In her mind, it was only a matter of time before they married. How disappointed she must have been each time Darcy left without making any hint of a declaration! All that lovely money slipping through the cracks once again! One could almost pity her, delusional as she was ...

Another point from the book is that Mr. Bingley is considered by the whole community and especially by Mrs. Bennett to be rich at 5K/year, which is around half of Mr Darcy's income.

@michaelsorensen7567

4 ай бұрын

Yeah I was going to mention this. Like, maybe $10k/ year isn't the highest income, but it's SURELY better than a sharp stick in the eye!

I feel that, because she wasn't actively pursuing him, Lizzy gave Mr. Darcy space to observe her and see her qualities. He grossly assumed that his qualities were those that would attract any woman and was taken aback by the realization that his character was not as attractive as his face, money and status were. He realized that if he wanted to attract a woman "worth having," he was going to have to step up his game and be a relatable human being. Many of us of any age, gender, preference, income or social standing would benefit from such a lesson.

@qs4177

2 жыл бұрын

I feel you kinda missed the point of the book

@dania2369

2 жыл бұрын

He was not a people person he was calm and not very social and Shy not because he was arragant , that's what lizzy thought but she realised she was wrong about him .

@sisuguillam5109

2 жыл бұрын

@@qs4177 How so?

@shells500tutubo

2 жыл бұрын

@@qs4177 Tessa T did not miss the point. She just expressed Darcy's thinking, and Dania explained Lizzie's thinking. I think the book had more than one point, or no particular point at all other than an entertaining soap opera of the times.

@raphaelledesma9393

7 ай бұрын

@@dania2369Nah even Mr Darcy admitted he was arrogant. If you read the chapter where he proposes to Elizabeth he stated for example that, “I was given good principles, but left to follow them in pride and conceit. I have been a selfish being all my life, in practice, though not in principle… I was taught to think meanly of the rest of the world, to think meanly of their sense and worth compared to my own. By you I was properly humbled. You showed me how insufficient were all my pretensions to please a woman worthy of being pleased”. In layman’s terms: I was taught to be good and I am good but I wasn’t taught to have nice manners (the opposite of Wickham whose manners are nice at first but isn’t actually good). Elizabeth showed Mr Darcy that he had to make his outward manners conform to his inner goodness to win her.

I think people forget that nobility did not always equal wealth. For example, Sir Walter Elliot (Persuasion) has run out of money and has to let/rent his house; (probably from all the mirrors he bought!)

@MandieTerrier

3 жыл бұрын

A Baronet must be seen to live like a Baronet. So he probably spent all of his money on mirrors

@mysticalmargaret6105

2 жыл бұрын

His mirrors! 😆😆😆 Also, Sir Walter Elliott was 'just a Baronet, not the upper echelons of the nobility or aristocracy. One also has to wonder what inheritance in hard cash Sir Walter will leave his young Elliott cousin? 🤔

@tessat338

2 жыл бұрын

@@mysticalmargaret6105 The Kellynch estate provided a good income if well-managed, as it was, just barely, in Lady Elliot's time. Sir Walter lived beyond his ample means. If Mr. Elliot married Mrs. Clay, he would have her father's insight into how to keep on the right side of his income plus he would be able to add the capital from his late first wife's estate to his income from Kellynch.

@scipioafricanus5871

2 жыл бұрын

@@MandieTerrier Smoke and mirrors!

@lanagievski1540

2 жыл бұрын

Lady Susan (Lady Susan/Love and Friendship) was positively broke after being widowed yet held such a reputation and status that she still kept those circles

I think Darcy was rich rich. He would have gotten and invitation to Harry and Megan's wedding.

@lizajameson7339

2 жыл бұрын

lmfao!

@saloninegi7062

2 жыл бұрын

Good one!

@elenabob4953

2 жыл бұрын

Not only an invitation but probably he would have been in the close circle.

@raisyrosye7656

2 жыл бұрын

LOL, the Darcys would definitely be attending many of the royal social engagements.

@virgochic8415

2 жыл бұрын

@@elenabob4953 front row feeling the choir. Elizabeth would have watched from home with the rest of us.

Personally, I’m not even sure Darcy himself knows why he fell in love with Elizabeth. However, I’ve got this notion rattling in the back of my mind that, had Elizabeth accepted Darcy’s first proposal, their marriage would’ve been an unhappy, loveless one.

@raisyrosye7656

2 жыл бұрын

Honestly, it would be terrible because, at that point, Darcy still saw her as beneath him, and she'd only marry him because although they were not on the best of terms yet, he’d provide her with a life in which she’d be well taken care of. However, by the second proposal, they both saw the better of each other and didn't care too much about wealth and class and whatnot.

@christineho4977

2 жыл бұрын

@@raisyrosye7656 Ah, thanks for the elaboration.

@raisyrosye7656

2 жыл бұрын

@@christineho4977 You're so welcome, my good friend! I'm always happy to help out!

Her indifference was the key to his intrest but her character was the key to his love.

@sheilarough236

3 жыл бұрын

Plus her very fine eyes

@iamsanna4567

3 жыл бұрын

Not only her character for sure, he does find her attractive too.

@reflections-of-a-young-lady

3 жыл бұрын

Well said.

@sweetspicy__

2 жыл бұрын

I love this one but i daresay Darcy has in fact attracted to Elizabeth eversince the beginning. If it wasn't Darcy took a glance at her secretly and immediately look away because he has been caught red-handed

This video also recontextualized how rich the Bennett family was. If the Bennetts were wealthy enough to be within the top 2000 families they would be millionaires, or at least until Mr Bennett died. I always pictured them as poor middle class but that's definitely not true.

@ahumanmerelybeing

6 ай бұрын

I feel like they are often portrayed as poor in film and book adaptations, to really drive home the gap between them and Darcy. Plus Mrs Bennet is always lamenting her financial situation, which makes it seem like it's really bad (though what she's actually lamenting is that her financial situation will change drastically once her husband dies). So it's definitely easy to assume that they are poorer than they are!

@edennis8578

5 ай бұрын

​​@@ahumanmerelybeingMrs. Bennett's worry was for the future since she and the girls would be left with nothing after Mr. Bennett's death. It would all go to Mr. Collins and they would have nothing to live in but the interest on Mrs. Bennett's dowry. That would add up to about 250 a year if none of them got married. Looking at the expenses mentioned in Sense and Sensibility, that wouldn't have gone very far. They wouldn't be destitute, but their standard of living would be much, much lower.

@nala7829

5 ай бұрын

I think they have expensive *objects*, but little liquid or liquidizable money. Starving or freezing to death in a incredibly valuable outfit was nearly common among nobility, who often wouldn't or legally couldn't sell off such things. They could be rich on paper but functionally poor. ...Full disclosure, though, I've never read the books and my knowledge of this phenomenon is much more focused on the Renaissance and Enlightenment. 😅 (It happened in the Middle Ages but generally for very different reasons: social status was less of a life or death matter then.)

@GeorgeP1066

4 ай бұрын

It's also all relative. Beyond the fact that they'll lose most of their income once Mr Bennett dies, the social expectations of their place in society requires quite significant expenditure on clothes, makeup, hospitality, entertainment, servants, etc. It's like a rich family who send their kids to private school and spend most of their income on high school fees. Yes they have an awful lot of money, and could definitely survive on an awful lot less, but in practice their income might barely exceed the expenditure which they feel is non negotiable as a member of their class.

I remember seeing the house in Pemberley House…and the concept that he owns half of Derbyshire…dude is def super rich…what i’m really wondering tho is how rich Lizzie’s Aunt and Uncle are…

@BasementRuthie

2 жыл бұрын

The ones that are "in trade" and live *whispers* "in Cheapside"? 😂 I absolutely can imagine Miss Bingley underestimating them based on her snobbery

@wendywhitley4611

2 жыл бұрын

Only the miserable half.

@pnayxkay

2 жыл бұрын

Darcy is basically regency England's Nick Young.

@paula.5345

2 жыл бұрын

@@BasementRuthie the funny thing is that the Bingley's wealth was also made by trading xd

@kenna163

2 жыл бұрын

@@BasementRuthie I mean it's so superficial considering Ms. Bingley's family comes from trade

I can't remember where I've read it, but an article, making a comparison between the Regency era and the contemporary era, said that by 2017 Darcy would have been gaining £5.5 millions per year, and his land would be valued in £350 millions. It's insane.

@kaylee5438

2 жыл бұрын

Yea and to her point about purchase power and societal influence and that there really is no direct comparison from regency era to modern times. He is probably more equivalent to a billionaire.

@edennis8578

2 жыл бұрын

Actually, according to the Bank of England's inflation calculator, Darcy's income would have been equal to about £800,000 in today's money. I wouldn't know how much his estate was worth, but we don't know how many tenant farms he owned, or other property.

@diabloakland

Жыл бұрын

And now it would be 16 million

@diabloakland

Жыл бұрын

@@kaylee5438 yes, i also put him in as a billionaire doing my own type of math

@jonathanbuzzard1376

4 ай бұрын

@@edennis8578 I don't know where you got that from but Pride and Prejudice was published in 1813, and the Bank of England inflation calculator shows £10,000 to be £574,218 in December 2023. In what is known as purchasing parity which is frankly more useful as it accounts for things costing different amounts in real terms over time that would be more in the region of £5 million. For example, consider the price of a 40" flat panel display today compared to 20 years ago. Even worse consider the price of a 40" TV of any description 50 years ago. Clearly adjusting for inflation doesn't tell you everything.

This was excellent. I just reminded my mother last time we watched S&S that the Dashwoods were still rich, even though that cottage looks a bit bleak. Any time a family can afford to live without working for money they're rich.

@EllieDashwood

2 жыл бұрын

Sooo true! Those classic Jane Austen poor rich people. 😂

@HRJohn1944

2 жыл бұрын

"As a house, Barton cottage though small, was comfortable and compact: but as a cottage it was defective, for the building was regular, the roof tiled, the window shutters were not painted green, not were the walls covered with honeysuckle.......On each side of the entrance [a narrow passage] was a sitting room sixteen feet square; and beyond them the offices and the stairs. Four bedrooms and two garrets formed the rest of the house. It had not been built many years and was in good repair" (S&S Ch 6). Not exactly a bleak cottage, I would have thought.

@edithengel2284

Жыл бұрын

@@HRJohn1944 And a fair amount of satire in the description of its "defective" qualities.

@edennis8578

5 ай бұрын

​@@edithengel2284Defective in Marianne's eyes. She would've wanted it to look like something from a romance novel.

I remember seeing Lady Catherine saying "...your uncle the Earl...." and thinking that partially explains why Mr. Darcy is so rich. (I forget where exactly that is in the book.) And, yes, I do think Elizabeth's indifference is the reason he noticed her if Miss Bingley's behavior towards him is the norm for any woman he meets.

@EllieDashwood

3 жыл бұрын

So true! That is why Lady Catherine is called Lady Catherine, because both she and Darcy’s mom Lady Anne are the daughters of an Earl. And of course now their brother is the Earl and the father of Colonel Fitzwilliam.

@tessat338

2 жыл бұрын

@@EllieDashwood I got the impression that it is Lady Catherine and Lady Anne's brother's son who is the current earl and that Colonel Fitzwilliam is the younger earl's brother. We'll all have to go back and look at the evidence in the text.

@MRosezhahira

2 жыл бұрын

I think this makes Mr Darcy have very good social standing, better than most of the landed gentry, but I do not think it would make him wealthier than normal. I think it makes his wealth even “better” because he also comes with access to greater connections. I agree with another commenter who said Lady Anne’s (Mr Darcy’s mother) wealth would probably go more to Georgiana.

@edithengel2284

Жыл бұрын

His wealth mainly comes from his father's, not his mother's side. Pemberley, the source of much or most of his income, was the estate of his father, although, to be sure, he might well have had an inheritance from his mother as well.

@plingploong

4 ай бұрын

​@edithengel2284 His mother was the daughter of an Earl and most likely brought with her a large dowry, as well as other assets as part of the marriage. While his father had the estate, a large injection of cash and wealth from his wife would've helped it to increase.

His mother was a daughter of an earl as well. Making him a nephew of an earl. He was up there.

@EllieDashwood

3 жыл бұрын

💯 True

@laulutar

3 жыл бұрын

@Jonathan Parks even though his father was "only" a very wealthy gentleman, being the female-line grandson of an earl would have boosted his standing (among other wealthy land owning gentleman at least). Titles were only the preview of the eldest sons of peers, but their siblings would still have had some of the advantage of being a member of that family (unless of course they did something scandalous and ruined their reputations). Yes, the daughters and sisters of earls, marquises and dukes were addressed as Lady such-and-such by courtesy, it wasn't the same as holding the title in your own right.

@edennis8578

3 жыл бұрын

@Jonathan Parks I've always thought that Lady Catherine's objections stemmed from the fact that she always intended her daughter to marry Darcy, and Elizabeth was ruining her dream. Also, Lydia was a known trollope (the kiss of death in those days) and her husband, Wickham, had ruined his reputation (rightly so) even without his attempted seduction of Darcy's sister. He was a womanizer and a huge gambler who ran out on his debts. Imagine if Darcy wanted to marry a highwayman's sister. It would've been about as hair-raising for someone of their elite status.

@edennis8578

3 жыл бұрын

@Jonathan Parks Also I totally disagree with your assumption that Darcy's antecedents and close relatives did nothing for his social status. One of the things that lowered the Bennet girls' value in the marriage market was their low family connections. They had uncles who (gasp) worked for a living. Bingley and his sisters had a lower status because their father earned his money, not inherited it; that's why Bingley's sister only married a man with a title but no money. She didn't have the status to marry better. A gentleman wasn't just a gentleman. There was (and is) an entire spectrum from the lowest rung (Elizabeth's father) to Darcy, super rich and the descendant of nobility. Not just aristocrats, but nobles. Darcy and Mr. Bennett could be said to be in the same class, but just barely. You may not realize how segmented English society was and is. A maid is lower than a footman. A footman is lower than a butler. They're all servants, but they observe a strict heirarchy. A woman who runs a bed and breakfast will usually not make beds or mow the lawn, but hire it done because those jobs are beneath her. In fact, I stayed at a very small bed and breakfast in Kent where the owner worked as a secretary so that she could hire maids and a gardener to do the menial tasks at her establishment. You think like an American.

@edennis8578

3 жыл бұрын

@Jonathan Parks Just to add that I noticed that out of 200 comments in the years that you've been on yt, you have one person who liked a comment. That should tell you something about yourself and your ideas.

What is most fascinating to me about this video is how rich the Bennets apparently were 😆

@joannhnat8515

2 жыл бұрын

For sure! If they’d had a son to cut off the entail, they wouldn’t have needed to economize or worry about money.

@janebaker966

Жыл бұрын

They were definitely upper middle BUT Elizabeth had to walk to visit the new neighbours because their one horse,that pulled the carriage (their car equivalent) was harnessed up to plough their field! The one the wheat crop of which brought in some of the family income. Luckily as we know both Elizabeth and Jane enjoyed,even preferred walking.

@Boooo_39

4 ай бұрын

​@@janebaker966 They were landed gentry, from my understanding, while they spent beyond their means, they were probably squarely upper class, not even upper middle class! But it's difficult to really put them into the equivalent socio-economic classes of today, it's not really a 1:1 comparison

I think Darcy fell in love with Elizabeth Bennett’s ability to demonstrate decorum, while also expressing her true self. She never shrank at the Bingley sisters’ hairiness. She was always genuinely Elizabeth Bennet.

I love how Ellie gives us that little hint at the end about the 6th Duke of Devonshire never marrying, just incase any of us invent a time machine and travel back you know...

@aliciaanguiano3860

2 жыл бұрын

OMG I thought the same thing! I did just watch a kdrama about a person who goes back in time though. I wonder if the Duke was just bored with everyone (chasing after his millions) that he just devoted himself to his estate.

Really puts in perspective Wickham blowing through £1000 and then the £3000 for the living. 🤯 I wanna see a vid on that. How long could Wickham have lived on that if he tried?!

@Sarah_Grant

3 жыл бұрын

Oh, yes!

@perdidoatlantic

3 жыл бұрын

I have a brother that blew through $350k in two weeks.

@Sarah_Grant

3 жыл бұрын

@@perdidoatlantic 🥺😯😲😳

@kittimcconnell2633

2 жыл бұрын

@@perdidoatlantic WOW

@perdidoatlantic

2 жыл бұрын

@@kittimcconnell2633 Gambling, drinking, drugs & prostitutes. The Wickhams of the world are real.

I think Mrs. Bennet was on target when she said "'Tis as good as a lord!"

@joanhall9381

3 жыл бұрын

UPDATE: OK, 3:10 in I see Ellie went straight to this!

@serenadavies6782

2 жыл бұрын

The first thing I thought of ;)

@gisawslonim9716

2 жыл бұрын

When it comes to other people's money and status you can count on Mrs. Bennet 100%. She's better than an Encyclopedia!

David Shapard, in his "The Annotated Pride and Prejudice", says that Mr. Darcy would have been among the two hundred richest men in England at the time.

@michellerever3564

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, covered in the video.

Mr Darcy was a millionaire in an era where billionaires didn't exist and Bennett family revenue was around a few 100-200 k.

@allangibson8494

4 ай бұрын

Actually a few billionaires did exist - they tended to own countries however…

Darcy: super, SUPER RICH Lizzy: yeah, he's rich, but he's also a pompous ass!! Whatever. Darcy: hmmm...

@scipioafricanus5871

2 жыл бұрын

Darcy: hmmm...

I’d enjoy a video about the friendship between Darcy and Bingley. The Bingley’s finances being “acquired by trade” (£4,000-5,000 a year, inherited property of nearly £100,000 but had yet to “purchase an estate”) in relation to Darcy and the Bennetts (socially and financially) might be interesting too.

People today still don't differentiate between "having money" and " having money to spend".

If Darcy had an estate rich enough to give him 10,000 pounds a year he could be a member of parliament, at his own whim. Only large landholders had a vote in this period and most parliamentary constituencies had a tiny handful of voters. Thus Darcy would only have to persuade, or bribe, his rich neighbours to win a parliamentary seat.

It boggles the mind to think 200 years ago, the average income between a middle class and the wealthiest family in Britain is maybe a factor of 200. Now the gap between the wealthiest man in the US (Bezos) and even to an average upper middle class American is probably at a factor 10000.

I love the way you put Darcy's income into context. This isn't done enough. Numbers can't tell us the whole story. Great video!

@EllieDashwood

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you so much! 😃😃😃

Fascinating! Considering their age difference I think Mr. Darcy would have noticed Elizabeth’s strong sense of self and maturity. Also, their proximity allowed for him to observe her love and care for her sister when she visits Jane at Netherfield.

@EllieDashwood

3 жыл бұрын

Such a good point! I wonder how much that trip to Netherfield really cemented his admiration.

@seventhsheaven

3 жыл бұрын

True! Darcy is very caring and protective of his own sister, so seeing a trait he valued in Elizabeth would have impressed him.

@christinamanucy8037

3 жыл бұрын

@@seventhsheaven yes, if you compare the three sisters and their partners, it is their values that tie the couples together, more than appearance.

@richardnowak5075

Жыл бұрын

Rick Nowak I think when Joe Wright boiled down the book to movie length he put some real weight on that visit to Netherfield. For me, Mr Darcy fell hard and was a goner when Lizzie walked into the drawing room with her hair down, all damp from the weather, in a fine mood. He really noticed her then. Goner. And then , to drive the point home Wright gives us actual human touch with the carriage embarking scene, well noticed by both. Of course, neither snippet is given to us by Austen.

@edithengel2284

Жыл бұрын

There were only about six years between them, although I do agree think it's a big six years.

One additional factor should also be taken into account..Darcy is not profligate in his spending unlike so many of the periods nobility therefore his net wealth might in fact be significantly higher than many Peers.

@raphaelledesma9393

7 ай бұрын

Well we know he spends liberally for his library (and I bet it’s the good quality books with leather covering or even gold leaf) as well as the education and comfort of his sister (who he liberally lavishes with gifts). Other than the upkeep of his estate and the wages of his servants (both in Pemberly and very likely his London townhouse) as well as how much he spends to be part of a gentleman’s club… still a lot actually. However, since Pemberly is described to have good taste, perhaps this means he prefers classic styles that last longer so he isn’t endlessly redecorating.

you would think multiple videos on this topic would be redundant and ergo boring, but i have watched (and enjoyed) them all 😂

@EllieDashwood

3 жыл бұрын

😂 I’m so glad you liked them!!! There is surprisingly so much to say on this topic. Though sometimes I’m think, “People are going to think I’m obsessed with Darcy’s money at this rate.” 😂

@Amcsae

3 жыл бұрын

Yup! Still fresh info!

I got married thirty years ago with a special license from the Archbishop of Canterbury. Very impressive document with a big red seal.

@reflections-of-a-young-lady

2 жыл бұрын

That is so neat! That is very special and cool. I never knew you could still do that.

@shanizaniz

2 жыл бұрын

May i know what is the difference and what is special about the special license marriage? I never knew about this before

@shanizaniz

2 жыл бұрын

@@reflections-of-a-young-lady thanks for the link! It is very interesting

@reflections-of-a-young-lady

2 жыл бұрын

@@shanizaniz you’re welcome. It is very interesting.

@denisewaterworth9303

2 жыл бұрын

Without the special license, banns had to be called for several weeks in the parish. Basically announcing the upcoming wedding and asking if anyone had a problem with it. Weddings could only be in the church and on certain days and times. With the license many of these restrictions were eliminated. They could be married immediately, at home, any day of the week.

Elizabeth literally refused to marry Darcy and in a way that he could not misinterpret as a game (see the words of Mr Collins when she rejects his proposal, again telling the base truths). In the story, that abject refusal kicked his love for her up into a realm he didn't know existed and triggered behavior that he would never previously have contemplated. This is the story of a man who has never been able to both trust and admire those around him. For the first time, he has found a person whom he both finds attractive and whom he can trust implicitly. And Darcy actually admires the reasons that Elizabeth gives for rejecting him. Austen constructed the narrative from his perspective, from the perspective of a very rich man.

I’m not sure Darcy thought her indifferent to him (look at how shocked he was at her initial rejection of him), so I think he was attracted to her because she didn’t fawn all over him, she didn’t mindlessly agree with everything he said in an obvious attempt to gain his approval (see Caroline Bingley who was probably a good example of what he was used to from other women). She challenged him, debated with him, and that’s what he he liked.

There is a reason that they use Chatsworth, the Duke of Devonshire’s home, as Pemberley... because Darcy is RICH!!!

Another way of measuring Darcy's wealth. In this period, a ship of the line, basically a battleship, cost about 50,000 pounds. His annual income is one-fifth of the cost of a major warship. Also, Darcy's mother was the daughter of a high peer (earl, marquis, duke). She was Lady Catherine the Bourgh's sister. Since Lady Catherine is using a courtesy title (Otherwise she would have been Catherine, Lady de Bourgh) and only the children of high peers can use a courtesy title, we know her family's rank.

@siraksleepmastersiraksleep9814

2 жыл бұрын

what do you mean about a courtesy title? so catherin and darcy's mother were not novility but catherine marriedd a lord?

@ajvanmarle

2 жыл бұрын

@@siraksleepmastersiraksleep9814 No, the other way round. Catherine and her sister were daughters of a lord, hence they are called Lady. That's called a courtesy title (they get it 'as a courtesy' because their father is a peer of the realm. If Catherine had married a lord, she would have been called 'Lady de Bourgh' instead of 'Lady Catherine'

Only one thing gives me pause about Mr. Darcy's wealth: that white elephant of a house. It is enormous with sculpted grounds and idle woods for miles before you even get to it. The upkeep alone plus the taxes on all those windows and land! Then, Darcy puts that ten thousand pound settlement plus debts on Wickham. That must have sent him back quite a bit. As for Darcy falling in love with Elizabeth, it happens in stages. He is intrigued by her at the initial ball, but really starts falling with her conversation and her walking to Netherfield's effect on her eyes. They dance at Netherfield and her conversation intrigues him more. At Rosings, they are placed together enough for him to transform from attracted to deep affection. Her turning him down does not diminish his love for her, only pushing him beyond his reserve to demonstrate his true character to her. It is not just the rescue of her and her family, but that he wanted it done anonymously, without credit. Only his rectification of Bingley's inclination towards Jane was immediately obvious. In short, not one thing, and not all at once.

Darcy is gentry...even if not a peer of the realm...and by the start of the industrial revolution...it was common for the gentry to be richer than the peers...

@sisuguillam5109

2 жыл бұрын

Adam Nicholson has written a lovely book called 'The Gentry Stories of the English'!

Great video! As to your question of what made Darcy fall for Elizabeth, I think that when he really started looking at her, he was struck by her wit and beauty. His first concern was to avoid raising her expectations rather than to worry that she would reject him. At Netherfield in chapter 10, he is already coming under her spell -- although she is not at all trying to seduce him: "Elizabeth, having rather expected to affront him, was amazed at his gallantry; but there was a mixture of sweetness and archness in her manner which made it difficult for her to affront anybody; and Darcy had never been so bewitched by any woman as he was by her. He really believed, that were it not for the inferiority of her connections, he should be in some danger."

@GalkaWitch

2 жыл бұрын

great comment!

England has always measured social class in breeding rather than money. So I have always believed above all else Mr Darcy was from a noble family of which had good breeding as well as wealth

So, when a daughter of a very rich merchant was married off to a socially prominent family, can we assume that the socially prominent family has run out of money and is trying to shore up finances?

@elenabob4953

2 жыл бұрын

I forgot in what book was mentioned that but the rich aristocrats of that era haven't been capable in managing their finances, the big majority they spent it. The merchants who got wealthy, looked to marry an aristocrat to elevate their status.

@byakuyatogami2905

2 жыл бұрын

That's what happened in Corpse Bride, wasn't it?

@MRosezhahira

2 жыл бұрын

Pretty much! I think a real life example (though not Regency era) would be Consuelo Vanderbilt who became the Duchess of Marlborough & also her namesake Consuelo Yznaga who became the Duchess of Manchester.

@janebaker966

Жыл бұрын

Very likely.

@Ru136

3 ай бұрын

Look up the Dollar Princesses, that was exactly what happened

I think her indifference to him was why he was intrigued & chose to propose to her. Like, she was somewhat interesting & would make a better wife than average because at least she was tolerable, in that she wasn't going to just suck up to him because of his money & she would treat him as a person rather than a walking wallet. Then when she turned him down and massively dunked on him (and his character) in the process, I think that's when he actually fell in love because he realized he'd have to make an effort to earn her affections rather than just be gifted them by dint of his sheer wealth & social status.

1:38 Very true! In 1825, a man living on 250 pounds per annum (roughly 30,000 pounds today) could support a small family and a live-in maid in relative comfort. Try to use 30,000 pounds a year today and you barely have anything.

Sums of money are critical clues in literature (e.g. a character feeling suicidal over losing the equivalent of $100 suggests the desperation of her situation better than almost anything else, just as someone casually giving it away as a tip implies the opposite), but it's so easy to lose perspective when the author's world is so different (as in Shakespeare, Cervantes, Tolstoy, Austen). This is such a thorough & circumspect analysis. Really appreciate the references in the description.

This was such an interesting video!! Learning the details about wealth and social hierarchy has made things clearer for me. Also I totally guffawed at the comment about the Estée Lauder guy being middle class!! Soooo funny! Estée Lauder Dude- you’re totally rich in my book!

@EllieDashwood

3 жыл бұрын

Yay! I’m so glad you enjoyed the video. And I 💯 agree that Estée Lauder guy is totally rich! 😂😂😂

The hold on my life your channel has is unreal. I’ve been binging your videos and I can’t stop!

@EllieDashwood

3 жыл бұрын

Aw! I’m so glad you’re enjoying my videos! 😃😃😃 But also sorry for all the disruption they’re causing! 😭😂

In the zombie version, it was her fighting skills. 😁

I have just found your channel and I'm already addicted. Thank you for sharing and putting historical context to literature. It's so easy to get lost in the story and forget that authors are, often, inspired by what they see around them.

I love this breakdown! You also put the Bennett’s family in context. I think we sometimes have a tendency to think that they were “poor” but they were actually pretty wealthy themselves for the time. Again, comparisons to Darcy aren’t fair since he’s super rich. But it isn’t like they were poor laborers or farmers.

@janebaker966

Жыл бұрын

They were eligible to attend dances,parties and balls both public and private. So they were in a high enough strata.

Am I the only one obsessed with Dashie notes and Whatever she has to say to any of these topics ??? My husband thinks I've grown mad, he cant believe I can watch yet another Darcy video! Yet here I am literally taking the 🍿 pop corn out for another fascinating video 🙈🙈🙈🙈

This video is really engaging and fun! Your approach to comparing/equating Mr. Darcy’s wealth to modern standards was quite enlightening and made the video more approachable for me as I admittedly don’t know much about Regency England. So thank you very much! 😄

Thank you for yoiur videos on pride and prejudice ! It's been years since i've asked myself all those questions on pride and prejudice, i am so happy that i've found you ! Can't wait until you breakdown the finances of others austen's books !

This was a great way to put this in perspective. Was wondering about this the other day and of course did the inflation comparison.

@HeyCuteEarrings

3 жыл бұрын

Elizabeth definitely has some "not like other girls" vibes. Lol

@EllieDashwood

3 жыл бұрын

Yay, I’m glad it helped put it in perspective! 😃 Also, that is so true and funny about Elizabeth. 😂

This was nicely done!I especially love the " you know who doesn't have that much money, ? The Estee Lauder guy!... Nobody is saying that!" Way to bring it down to the 21st C. Earth! Thank you for the hilarious comparison.

I just found your channel. I am very impressed! You offer new insights on topics that many others have already discussed. I didn't think that there was much I hadn't already heard others comment upon, or thought about myself, but you managed to add some really interesting new points. Thanks so much for sharing! I truly enjoyed this video (and the one on why Darcy doesn't have a title). I will definitely catch up with some of your earlier videos as well.

I eat these up like crazy, loved your video as usual! 🥰 it’s so informative and it makes me read Austen novels with more detail and imagination, thank you as usual!

I remember reading that Darcy in the book had an uncle who was like a lord or something, because his cousin and Elizabeth actually flirted for a while and in the end said something to the point of that she didn’t have a large enough dowry for the second son of a (something).

@EllieDashwood

2 жыл бұрын

Totally! Darcy's uncle is an Earl and the father of Colonel Fitzwilliam who flirted with Lizzie but then was like, "Sorry, you're great. But gotta marry that money though." 😂

@harvestmoon_autumnsky

2 жыл бұрын

And yet, the Bennets were, through Austen's literary plot devices, able to even remotely move in those circle is the stuff of interest. I remember everyone in Darcy's party and Darcy himself found the Bennets as a family far below him. Colonel Fitzwilliam to even flirt with her...I found to be a stretch. But she was the MC so there you go.

Yep the second she said “within context of their own time,” and refusing to be anachronistic, I hit subscribe. You, are a woman after my historically-accurate-loving heart

@Ariadne7710

2 жыл бұрын

Andrea Olivas If you are really interested in a more analytical historical dissection of Pride and Prejudice may I recommend you try some of the YT videos presented by Dr Octavia Cox. They are very interesting in the way she analyses a lot of the finer details of Regency society and the various characters in the book. I find them incredibly informative as well as interesting. It has given me a whole new way of looking at the novel and a much greater admiration for Jane Austen not only as a novelist but as a social commentator of great insight. The way she formulates the dialogue of the various characters to show the type of person each one of them is, is a lesson in social psychology in itself. If you decide to try any of her videos I would be very interested to hear your opinion.

Thank you for this wonderful and erudite explanation. I love your videos so much. I particularly enjoyed the charts and illustrations you pulled in for this one. Also, I'm so glad that someone is geeking out on this stuff and thinking about it all the time (makes me feel normal)

Me encantan tus videos. Te agradezco que tengas los subtitulos en español. Te mando un gran abrazo, atentamente, una fan de Austen desde Chile!🇨🇱💗

The KZread algorithm has definitely become more of a mystery given the videos that are rotating through my recommended but this video, and the channel are surprisingly interesting.

@EllieDashwood

3 жыл бұрын

Aw! Welcome to the channel. I’m so glad that the mysterious algorithm has brought you here! 😃😃😃

I've always thought of Mr. Darcy as very wealthy, but he's not a peer, so he's probably not as rich as a titled man. After watching the video, I stand corrected. This is very interesting. I think it was clear that Elizabeth got his attention at first because she was unique in that she wasn't trying to get his attention. She didn't like him and was just doing her thing with her crush on Mr. Wickham. After she had gotten his attention, he couldn't help notice how smart she was, how spirited and challenging compared to other ladies of her day. So, yes, she got his attention because she didn't fall all over him and then he saw her great qualities and started thinking she had "fine eyes" and was handsome. But he also didn't realize she couldn't stand him! In the book, it says when he first proposed to her, he thought she was waiting for his addresses! He was so clueless that any woman would not want him! Elizabeth Bennett clearly made Mr. Darcy a better person and even though he was so wealthy, he was the lucky one to have her - a woman who ended up falling in love with him and not his money, a companion who challenged him and made him think differently and finally, a woman who humbled him and kept him from being jaded.

You left us a cliffhanger last time. Well worth the wait. This in depth type of information helped the wife and I truly put Darcy’s wealth into perspective. Thank you.

Am using this video to tell you that I think your videos are great! Only very recently stumbled on your channel and now going through your "portfolio". I thought I knew quite a bit about Regency society, having read books about it and whatnot, but you taught me so much in such a short video, that it is clear I have still a lot to discover and wonder at! :) Love your videos in general, entertaining with your sense of humor and at the same time educational. Thank you.

It’s true mrs. Bennet and mr. Collins were very silly, but I think you’re right that the one subject they can be trusted on is the money and standing of others. Mr. Collins, at his core, is a very vain man who takes great pleasure in associating with people above his station and mrs. Bennet’s entire reason for living as a mother of 5 daughters is to find them eligible marriages. If anyone would know, it would be them. I’d be really interested to hear a bit about Sir Lucas and his social standing. He seems to be on par or richer than the Bennets and (recently) knighted, but he’s looked on with great disdain by the Bingley Ladies, who are rich, surely, but are not landed gentry as Bingley has no estate.

@stgermain1074

2 жыл бұрын

Sir Wm. Lucas made his money in trade. You have to be a few generations past have actually worked for your money to be respected.

@janebaker966

Жыл бұрын

But I have a lot of sympathy for Mrs Bennett as she wanted all her daughters to be safe and happy,and rich too if possible. Being old, single and poor,well it's not that great nowadays but it was much,much grimmer then. I mean for a female,a spinster female. Widows always had lots of rights,very enviable rights.

Great topic!! In the 1942 Jane Eyre while Blanche is singing a comment is made: "guaranteed income of £7 or £8,000 a year" referring to Rochester's income.

I'm so so glad that i discovered your channel. I'm ridiculously obsessed with pride and prejudice and that particular time period ❤

I watched P&P with two good friends who helped me understand what makes it so good. Lots of pauses with their commentary. Now I really like it and understand its’ relevance. Every character is so well done ... the story of their lives collectively describes society and people with great insight.

Bingley has 5,000 a year, and everyone says that Darcy is much much richer than Bingley - so that gives us some idea. 5k a year was an enormous income.

I had always assumed Pemberley was exaggerated in grandeur in movies and shows to appeal to the audiences. I'm happy I found this video.

Ahhhh, gracias por poner los subtitulos en español❤️❤️

Ellie, you did such a fabulous job with these.

Derbyshire was the home of the first water-driven weaving factories,among many other industrial revolution firsts, and the rich landowners mostly invested in that stuff. Also the freak hot springs underground that keep the land warm, so that people could grow crops earlier and longer.

@katehurstfamilyhistory

2 жыл бұрын

Just what I was thinking; given that Pride and Prejudice is set round about 1811-ish? and Darcy is 28 or so, he was born c.1783, so obviously he himself may not have been an early investor but his father (born 1750s/1760s?) or grandfather (c.1730, say?) could well have been in a position to invest even a small sum of money into a factory, mill, coal mine etc - Darcy may have owned shares in a venture like that, earning a nice little dividend every year. (Additionally, Derbyshire is quite a "long" county, with the Staffordshire potteries, Wedgwood etc to the west, the Lancashire/Manchester textiles to the north, coal mines dotted all over the Nottinghamshire/Derbyshire region to the east, and then Birmingham etc to the south.) And that's before you get onto the developing canal networks. Potentially, the Darcys were within an easy travelling distance of a lot of lucrative industries; a bit of effort, investment and paperwork when all of this started to take off in the mid-1700s would have been bringing serious benefits two or three generations later - and I reckon the Darcys were bright enough to explore that kind of thing!

@sallyjune4109

2 жыл бұрын

What? I never knew that about the underground hot springs. Thanks for that info.

Even though she wasn't playing hard to get; it was what made him notice her and think about her. I think he thought, this chic's different; why isn't she throwing herself at me? So, he couldn't stop thinking about her, and true love blossomed:) If you think about it, Stephanie Meyer kind of used this technique in Twilight. Edward couldn't read Bella's mind and that intrigued him. He knew most of the other girls wanted him, but he couldn't read that in her.

@raisyrosye7656

2 жыл бұрын

LOL, the “you’re not other like other girls” cliche makes me laugh because obviously everyone’s different from anyone else in the world. Jane wasn't into Darcy but I think that Darcy knew he wouldn't have a shot with her anyways.

You do a great job with these videos, congratulations! Very well researched!

Absolutely excellent and highly informative video. Thank you very much. This is the first time I came across a realistic comparison of wealth.

According to the Bank of England's inflation calculator, in 1805, £10,000 is about £882,748.09 today (2021).

@adajanetta1

2 жыл бұрын

And that is annually. Put 800K into 3% Consols, and live on the rest. Soon you would have some real money. Around 11million in the first ten years alone

@cameron120587

2 жыл бұрын

@@adajanetta1 Assuming Darcy has no debts, roughly £1000 a year should be plenty to live on depending on the finer points of his finances considering there were officers in the Royal Navy getting rich off of prize money for capturing French and Spanish ships (reference Horatio Hornblower) in the same range in the Napoleonic Wars.

I would like to think that it was her indifference at first that attracted him to her. She wasn’t all over him, and actually got to know him and change her perspective. And on the opposite I would say the same for Lizzie. His indifference for her and getting to know her certainly helped with his own perspective about her.

Stumbled across your videos - love them. And I can't help but love that your name is Dashwood. It's too perfect for this subject matter. :)

I love how technical this video is. You mentioned at the beginning that putting Darcy's income into a modern value isn't helpful or accurate, and I so appreciate that. As your example with the billionaires proves, the income gap has widened so much that the relations between the classes are not comparable to the Regency. A peer and his servant would have been closer in wealth, than an employee and a CEO today. Thank you for this informative video.

My prediction at the beginning of this video: Darcy is kinda rich. Can't say much about it except he's not middle class. Edit: I am always impressed by how in depth your videos are and the effort you put into analysis. I was surprised but satisfied with you going beyond inflation and going into historical context

These videos are fascinating! Your explanations on everything from socio-political standings to peerages that equaled extraordinary wealth are succinct AND enjoyable. Really good work 👏😊

@EllieDashwood

3 жыл бұрын

Aw! Thank you so much!!!

Super informative video, putting Darcy's income into context of the society at the time. A big thank you!

I greatly look forward to the upcomming video about why Mr. Darcy doesn't have a title. That is what I have been asking since 1998! Have loved these regency financial videos, thanks! :)

@EllieDashwood

2 жыл бұрын

Yay! It's coming soon! Thanks so much for watching! 😃😃😃

Amazing video!!! It made me think about Mr Bingley as well ... if Darcy was Mr Lauder at $25B, then Bingley was at $12.5B ... Almost middle class right? LOL I actually do not think that Eliza's rebuttal was the key to his attraction ... because when he first proposed he was absolutely convinced she would agree to his suit. He was flabbergasted that she not only denied him but gave him little reasons for it. So clearly he wasn't particularly aware that she wasn't attracted to him. But I believe that during the time leading to his first proposal, he spent a lot of time observing her, and noting how unaffected her manners were, how confident and witty she was, and of course her fine eyes didn't hurt either. I believe he saw that she was his opposite in temperament and would therefore complement him perfectly. Now obviously once she turned him down, his attraction became a raging inferno ... to every readers' delight!

Elizabeth refused to bow down to Mr Darcy, or be intimidated by him. A couple of times, she openly mocked him. This was not what he was used to, at all. Because of his wealth, Darcy spent his whole life being told how important he was. So, he was actually a bit of a pompous git to begin with. He found Elizabeth to be highly intelligent, and their conversations fascinated him. And as he began to fall in love with her, so she became more and more beautiful to him. Although Jane was declared to be the beauty of the family, Elizabeth was also very attractive, and I would say the most intelligent. It was never stated in the book that she was plain, rather that the two oldest girls were the prettiest.

Realized I somehow wasn't subscribed so fixed that immediately. Absolutely top content!

I love that you have spanish subtitles, thanks for the video!

@EllieDashwood

2 жыл бұрын

Aw! Thanks so much for watching!!!

I think Lizzie's indifference to Darcy's wealth was absolutely part of the attraction, but I think it probably also had to do with her personality. I'm sure that there were more women in that town that took a disliking to him after that first ball, too, but Lizzie was actually fun to be around

Mr. Darcy's wealth was off the charts for most, but you also have to consider the value of his assets as well. When you add the value of Pemberley to the value of all his lands and whatever other assets he had, you continue in the astronomical range as you put it Ellie. People like to pick on the rich and some of them deserve it, but the rich have problems of their own and it becomes relative when you analyze it. One of those obvious problems is you don't know who your real friends are. Everyone wants your money so they are willing to put up with you. That does not make for a very high quality life. Some will say that all the money will make it ok. You only show your ignorance by that belief as you have rose colored glasses on when it comes to money. Darcy made an interesting statement to Lizzie on the walk they took at the end of the movie. He said he was given good principles early on but was allowed to live them with pride and conceit. Being prideful and conceited causes you to belittle others and sometimes worse. You really are nothing but a bully. Darcy's station in life would have given him a lot of time to people watch and make observations about them and even criticize them, but being a bully of any sort is not a happy life no matter how arrogant you are. In Lizzie he saw a woman who was willing to sacrifice a life where she was provided for if she did not really love the man and her love was not the pretty superficial love we know today. She took it serious and would not violate her conscience. Darcy may have had his problems but he was not stupid. He saw her for what she really was and he was impressed and he should be. If you are used to having the best of everything - Lizzie was the best. But it is more than just having the best. She humbled him and he became a greater man. Now the two of them could have a very substantial relationship. People today like others for such superficial reasons and wrong reasons. If you marry you must find someone you like spending time with. What a joy life is when we can share it with others. We do this from an early age. The marriage relationship is the most important. Everything counts here. When two enjoy life together they don't need to work so hard on making the fire stay and fight boredom. All the world is at their feet. Darcy chose to love Lizzie because of the person she is. He fell in love with her because she showed him that life with her would be substantial, meaningful, and joyful and she showed this by just being herself. How could he not fall in love with her?! Honestly, I get tired of all the sex stuff all over the Austin sites. It makes P&P cheap if you ask me. Sure they were physically attracted to each other and would have enjoyed that, but not in the cheap way people do today. Sex is not special anymore to most. It is an extension of the relationship. For Darcy and Lizzie it would have been filled with deep passion by two people who really respect and care for each other. That is far and above what we see today. Some of you won't even understand what I just wrote. You will think I am nuts. I am an Austin nut but it is because of the high quality books she wrote. This has lead to high quality movies. I just don't care for anything that cheapens her work.

@jedilittlebee

5 ай бұрын

I agree passion is so much more than just sex. In fact, I would argue that it isn’t even a requirement. Very enjoyable, but not a requirement!

This was such an informative video. Thank you!

I saw this channel in my notifications for the first time and don't remember why I subbed to this channel, but since I'm a huge fantasy and wordbuilding nerd, I'm assuming you've made videos like this before. 😂 The economics aspect is my favorite part of history and fiction.