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@yahia9481

3 ай бұрын

Do libetarians vs liberals Social democrats vs democratic socialism

@shantelleschimpf1386

3 ай бұрын

Do Deaf people vs Blind people PLEASE ❤

@macymiller4704

3 ай бұрын

@@shantelleschimpf1386a

@LennyTheHopeless

3 ай бұрын

I really wish you guys would skip the hugging thing at the end. All I can imagine everytime is me in that situation feeling the pressure that I need to hug someone at the end but not wanting to inside, yet feeling like if I say no its gonna create this awkward atmosphere for everyone.

@Vivian-bn7yh

3 ай бұрын

@@LennyTheHopelessno seriously I’d be genuinely uncomfortable , esp if I had to hug that chelsea woman 😭💀

you know what’s worse than a cheater? a cheater who thinks they did nothing wrong.

@argent5196

3 ай бұрын

Nobody in the video did that tho

@anonymousbo0318

3 ай бұрын

​@@argent5196 Delusional child

@biscutvein

3 ай бұрын

@@argent5196Damn bro you got to comment on everyone’s comment? you’re hella defensive lol

@argent5196

3 ай бұрын

@@biscutvein uh what I replied to like two comments 💀 and that’s how a comment section works

@argent5196

3 ай бұрын

@@biscutvein but.. nobody in the video did that tho, still

Imagine you start dating someone and see them in a video defending cheating💀

@spacebuddy5339

3 ай бұрын

😂😅

@XO42X

3 ай бұрын

😂😂

@rattus7881

3 ай бұрын

...thats why I will never go to California 😂 everyone is crazy

@argent5196

3 ай бұрын

No one really defended cheating

@cuddlebaby5787

3 ай бұрын

😂😂😂

“I’m a Christian I dont believe in having attraction outside of your marriage… I dont see other men” Literally cheated on your husband… 🙂 ok

@williammeads2686

Ай бұрын

she did say she changed so maybe she had a conversion after cheating...

@chloebeall4011

Ай бұрын

You can think something is wrong and still do it lol. I think her point is she would be wrong to do that

@brandon-toddhutchinson3798

Ай бұрын

Terrifying stuff... smh

@inesnathaliengoua

Ай бұрын

she made no real argument. she just said im a christian the bible says and she still cheated.

@alexthievery7834

Ай бұрын

Crazy

Raven is some top tier gaslighter 😭 how she managed to convince the guy it was his fault he was cheated on

@Orius25

Ай бұрын

She was the least integrated person on the panel. She just dove into Christianity and convinced herself of the straight-and-narrow path without actually deeply interrogating her motives.

@ludakkris

Ай бұрын

She was annoying because she has such strong beliefs when it comes to cheating but she’s a cheater

@MaskedSpider6199

Ай бұрын

Raven is just that type of person who doesn't take responsibility for her actions, so she takes them out on others

@NOSTahlgia

Ай бұрын

Oh, you mean the woman who in the first sentence managed to say (paraphrasing): "As a cheater I can forgive cheaters, oh yea and as a Christian. Uh... err.. uh"

@zakariahmardon5702

24 күн бұрын

legittttt feel sorry for bro 😞

Cheating is always wrong. Period.

@jackthomas6952

3 ай бұрын

It’s not always so black and white.

@raimeyewens7518

3 ай бұрын

Not for Chelsea 🙄

@kazeGMD

3 ай бұрын

@@jackthomas6952yes it is

@kazeGMD

3 ай бұрын

@@jackthomas6952for this it is

@kazeGMD

3 ай бұрын

@@jackthomas6952because you can always break up

its funny how cheaters are trying so hard to convince themselves that cheating is okay

@maya_m.152

3 ай бұрын

Fr, I laughed whenever one of them opened their mouth. It's ridiculous.

@Taylorswiftarmpitsweat

3 ай бұрын

Cheating on men should be normalized i dgaf

@nehsangbong7259

3 ай бұрын

Seriously LMFAOOOOOOO

@lulyaemun7382

3 ай бұрын

@@Taylorswiftarmpitsweat ofc it's a swifty talking

@KingDayDayDay00

3 ай бұрын

Gross how it seems like it's becoming normalizing

Blonde lady on the cheating side was so obnoxious. The pseudointellectualism was unreal

@Orius25

Ай бұрын

I didn't find her pseudo, she seemed to be the real deal who understood a lot of this on a very deep level, with a lot of integrity. Maybe she was a bit arrogant, but I found her POV way above entry level. Like... she has lived the reality of therapy and counselling others for a long time. As a therapist myself, it's very obvious. No, I didn't agree with everything she said, but I didn't find her to be a pseuointellectual.

@nosnah227

Ай бұрын

@@Orius25 That's how I felt too. Visceral emotions are a big part of how most people react, and it takes intent and work to get beyond that, and she had some important things to say because she looks beyond that. Yes, being honest to partners is important, but telling your partner you cheated *can* also be selfish and cruel. Yes, catching feelings or feeling a spark happens without our choice, but it's a choice whether you cut it short there or you foster it in ways that grow into love.

@AnimatorBlake

Ай бұрын

​@@Orius25The overconfidence and the inflexibility of her ideas which don't fit reality like she claims are what add the pseudo to her intellectualism. She is frequently wrong and yet arbitrates what reality is for those in the conversation.

@Orius25

Ай бұрын

@@AnimatorBlake I have no problem if people disagree with her take or think she's wrong/arrogant or whatever... but nothing you've described necessarily makes her a narcissist. People should not be pathologizing others they disagree with or simply don't like. If you don't have clinical training then you have no business saying such things. Just because you think she's wrong, arrogant, or pushy, doesn't mean she has a mental disorder. The current social media generation uses pop psychology to criticize people and it's wrong. It was a huge mistake to teach your generation psychology terms.

@haleycarson4129

Ай бұрын

She’s a class A certified narcissistic. She should self-diagnose.

Raven is acting like she didn’t cheat, and that she could never, and it’s just heartbreaking

@Orius25

Ай бұрын

Everyone in this thread is attacking Chelsea but it was really Raven who was the manipulative one. She dove head-long into Christianity, called herself "saved," and didn't integrate any of her shadow side. The red flags are never ending.

@patrickcazer

Ай бұрын

@@Orius25 i think the people there noticed did you see at the end how everyone were talking and hugging and no one talked to or gave her a hug lol she's kinda just standing there.

@Spijen

Ай бұрын

@@patrickcazer she walked off as soon as everyone started hugging

@patrickcazer

Ай бұрын

@@Spijen she didn't, if you go to 1:06:10 you can see her standing in the middle while everyone is hugging. that was someone else who walked off

@geekista

2 күн бұрын

I see her as someone who realised cheating was the biggest mistake of her life. She knows what she did, she knows how she felt, and she hates that she's done it. That's how i see her, my opinion !

It’s refreshing to see Middle Ground tackle a topic that has nothing to do with politics

@len-1768

3 ай бұрын

Same, though a few apolitical Middle Ground videos are on absurd topics, such as flat earth, aliens, and astrology.

@LolaKlein

3 ай бұрын

What do you mean? Politics and cheating are pretty much combined nowadays 😂

@snowypineapples

3 ай бұрын

Could i ask how? ​@@LolaKlein

@bakondude2233

3 ай бұрын

​@@len-1768 flat earthers v. scientists is one of the best episodes, purely for the insanity of it

@Random-sk6hm

3 ай бұрын

True. Although that one annoying girl Raven was being self-righteous and trying to impose her Christian superiority on Chelsea who's also a Christian 💀 I wanna see more videos on non-political topics like the flat Earth one.

Ain’t no way people are defending cheaters 😭

@Taylorswiftarmpitsweat

3 ай бұрын

Idc cheating on men is based

@yahia9481

3 ай бұрын

​@@Taylorswiftarmpitsweat 🤢

@thainac1732

3 ай бұрын

@@Taylorswiftarmpitsweat How? You’d be ruining a relationship.

@Sol4rOnYt

3 ай бұрын

fr

@Efflugant

3 ай бұрын

​@@Taylorswiftarmpitsweatwhat...

If your so worried about not telling someone that you cheated cuz of their mental health or the way it’ll effect them…. THEN WHY DID YOU CHEAT IN THE FIRST PLACE💀 what a self centered narcissist

@MaskedSpider6199

Ай бұрын

Cheaters really don't be making any sense

@AnimatorBlake

Ай бұрын

It's just trying to virtue signal while being an awful person.

@timothybakke5243

4 күн бұрын

What do you expect from toxic females? Always find ways to shift the blame

@rochelle7353

3 күн бұрын

She was the worst person on the panel, so much weaponised therapy speak

I think Sophie was the only Cheater that has come to terms with the fact that what she did was awful. The others did some mental gymnastics to be like, "but I'm better now" whereas she was like "i promised myself and my partner that if I started feeling that way again and wanted to cheat, I would tell him." I think that she was more honest than the others because she also was cheated on

@sophiemilkes

2 ай бұрын

Thank you for your kind words. I did a lot of work both in and out of therapy to find the root causes of my repeated cheating and to become a better version of myself. I haven't cheated on anyone in over 5 years. I can't take back the hurtful things I've done or said, but I can work every day to be a better person.

@edenoliver2005

2 ай бұрын

agreed all the others seemed like they were trying way too hard to defend themselves while she admitted fault and changed

@jamesmcdonnell2455

Ай бұрын

​@@edenoliver2005if she changed, she wouldn't need her partner to prevent her from cheating again.

@nosnah227

Ай бұрын

@@sophiemilkes I also really appreciated that you talked about how learning you didn't have to forgive was a way of healing and that it eventually becomes indifference. My recovery from things in life has generally been atypical, and it took me a long time to find because I didn't know there were ways. I couldn't forgive my mom, so I felt like I could never get better because the narrative is you have to forgive for yourself. When I learned it doesn't have to be that way, I was free. I don't forgive my mom, but I also don't have any pent up negative energy towards her either. Sometimes when I talk about this, people who did do the "typical" route for recovery get defensive and push back that I must be holding onto anger and things. I don't know, it's just frustrating when I just want to share with people that recovery isn't one specific path, so thanks for vocalizing it too.

@briathomas5310

Ай бұрын

​@@jamesmcdonnell2455change isn't black and white. And happens in steps. And she's taken BIG steps to hold herself accountable.

Those who rationalize cheating probably have the talent to become a politician.

@lavonnealexander6936

3 ай бұрын

😂😂😂

@THEMADHATTRESS

3 ай бұрын

Yes their key talent being a lack of morals and empathy. Agreed.

@MsDiana-fl7be

3 ай бұрын

🤣

@austinflores8552

3 ай бұрын

Yyyyaaaaassssssssssss!!!!!!!!!

@inyeneate9972

3 ай бұрын

Real😂

Chelsea is literally a narcissist. The way she tries to dance around questions and validate her terrible behavior was insane.

@raimeyewens7518

3 ай бұрын

This!! Total gaslighting narcissist! Doesn’t like being blamed. Typical.

@anne-beritgunhildson598

3 ай бұрын

I was thinking this too, she sees everything from the perspective of whats best for her and what benifits her. Theres no room in her head for thinking about someone elses feelings

@telayajackson2.023

3 ай бұрын

I agree. She was scaring me. She seems emotionless.

@yunthug

3 ай бұрын

@@anne-beritgunhildson598 Agreed, a relationship is about US not about YOU as an individual anymore. Marriage is supposed to be a union of two people. If someone can't think as a team and compromise for the sake of the relationship, then they shouldn't even be in one.

@GigiMurakami

3 ай бұрын

Glad I’m not the only one who peeped that

55:16 “if you have a suicidal partner…” you shouldn’t cheat on them in the first place . ESPECIALLY if they are suicidal.

@Re69.

Ай бұрын

While I agree. I have heard from friends that they can't bring up "breaking up" because then they will "off themselves" So they cheat

@mxrgaretb1641

Ай бұрын

@@Re69. that’s horrible

@RockJay2NayMe

6 күн бұрын

Sometimes they will threaten to K themselves if they sense their partner is going to breaking up with them.

@xxflameaminoxx

5 күн бұрын

@@Re69.exactly what happened in my relationship, though the action was inexcusable its hard to understand and explain unless youve been through it

I would rather listen to those who have been cheated on, than those who have cheated while defending themselves

@Orius25

Ай бұрын

I appreciated both sides a lot. Mainstream narratives often focus on the victim. We seldom get a nuanced conversation from the cheaters, and especially not between the cheaters and cheatees in one setting. It was a rare opportunity.

@Snowyblitz555

Ай бұрын

@@Orius25 I see your point but in this case, it’s the cheaters who are trying to justify their actions and tell you otherwise

@MaskedSpider6199

Ай бұрын

Me too

@ievannn4741

18 күн бұрын

The fact that they are trying to justify themselves for cheating is rather more concerning

@MaskedSpider6199

18 күн бұрын

@@ievannn4741 true

I feel completely sorry for the guy in that couple he’s being lowkey gaslit into believing he deserved to be cheated on

@jenniferAgbebiyi

3 ай бұрын

Agreed.

@Fnanaanf

3 ай бұрын

Raven seems insufferable

@sumaiya-ey5zc

3 ай бұрын

@@Fnanaanf for real 🤦🏻‍♀️ she uses the bible to justify everything and follows “every part of it” but where was that resolve when you cheated 😒

@user-gl5cj6tg5i

3 ай бұрын

well..thats because society says its always the mans fault

@Random-sk6hm

3 ай бұрын

That Raven girl was so annoying and her Christian superiority over everyone is mind-numbing. Apparently she cares about the bible until she gets to the 'thou shall not lie' or 'thou shall not commit adultery' parts when she cheats.

Why is Chelsea talking to everyone like she's a therapist or life coach. It's awkward.

@Stellalovely1

3 ай бұрын

She is actually now a relationships therapist on KZread and Instagram. Lol.

@Ceerads

3 ай бұрын

Life coaches without any educational credentials are just con artists.

@rioclemmons4094

3 ай бұрын

@@Stellalovely1😮 deadass?

@user-et3qm8cl1w

3 ай бұрын

it’s still so weird because she isn’t THEIR life coaches she just is one

@definitelynotclaire1

3 ай бұрын

She is one. But she shouldn’t be 💀

Loved Leon, genuinely engaged with the prompts and seemed open to learn over just parroting his beliefs. He asked great questions and showed respect to everyone.

@haleycarson4129

Ай бұрын

He was the best casting

The way Chelsea begins defining random words of the question to avoid the actual answer. 💀

Cheating is always wrong. Taking responsibility for getting cheated on is crazy. If you’re not happy in a relationship then JUST LEAVE. Simple as that

@Taylorswiftarmpitsweat

3 ай бұрын

Nope, women who are trapped in relationships can cheat on their abusive partners.

@alex_trem0

3 ай бұрын

@@Taylorswiftarmpitsweathmm I can see why that is okay, but I feel like this could just make the woman get more abused and put her in a worse situation if the abuser were to find out

@bobthestinky7369

3 ай бұрын

@@TaylorswiftarmpitsweatI feel like if you are in an abusive relationship, you cheating and getting caught will 100% make things a lot worse for your safety. I think your safety should be no.1 priority rather than cheating on your abuser, not because it isn't moral but because you are literally just putting yourself in danger.

@nochso6835

3 ай бұрын

​@@Taylorswiftarmpitsweat How can a woman be trapped in a relationship? Are you talking about a kidnapped hostage?

@DallinHipps

3 ай бұрын

@@Taylorswiftarmpitsweat If all you’re gonna do is post rage bait bullcrap then please stop posting. You’re adding nothing to this conversation.

The fact that Chelsea is "counselling" women is worrying.

@jacobfschaffer

3 ай бұрын

she seems so proud... crazy

@helenparker487

3 ай бұрын

It looks like she is a life coach. That is an unregulated title in America and obtaining training to be a life coach is up to the individual. You can be a life coach without any training. To be a counselor in the US, someone has to have a master’s (or a bachelors in some states) and have a license to offer counseling. Edited for clarity.

@bubblebellaful

3 ай бұрын

VERY!

@argent5196

3 ай бұрын

No it’s not she made perfect sense

@anonymousbo0318

3 ай бұрын

​@@argent5196You're pathetic and delusional

I can’t understand not wanting to not know you were cheated on when we live in a world where STIs exist.

@torysings7468

Ай бұрын

I think of the pain of a partner maybe my husband or wife one day cheating and nothing came of it (always protected, contraception, they already cut it off, has stopped and decided they are dedicated to me) while I had no idea thinking my marriage is going great, and because of their own feelings of guilt they tell me and decide that I have to be judge, jury, and executioner just so they feel "accountable" and "absolved" meanwhile I'm devastated, lost all self-worth, my whole life has fallen apart and I'm traumatized and devastated over something already done and managed. It's not my emotional burden to bare. I rather not know.

@Olivetree80

Ай бұрын

Plus, it's continuing a relationship under false pretenses, which makes it impossible for a person to honestly consent to move forward with them.

@pax4338

12 күн бұрын

⁠@@torysings7468so you want to live in a delusion. Take the bull by the horns, and get through it. Reality hurts.

@owenleal

2 күн бұрын

​@@torysings7468 so you would rather live in a lie than have your partner actually respect you enough to give you the facts of your relationship? Thats horrifying and pathetic.

Raven saying that attraction to others is not acceptable in a relationship is peak hypocrisy Edit: and now she's calling chelsea a hypocrit LOL

It’s Chelsea saying that she’d never forgive a cheater, then going on to say that she’s cheated multiple times💀

@jazzycola

3 ай бұрын

She also claims everything she did with the guy she cheated with was in the best interest for both of them. Delusional!!! She never states remorse or regret for hurting her partner at the time that she cheated on.

@Tangiora_Maney

3 ай бұрын

@@jazzycola narcissist behaviour

@jessicai7096

3 ай бұрын

I'm convinced she just wanted to talk for every single prompt

@nene9063

3 ай бұрын

She also said she would date a cheater so 😭😭

@CharBar07

3 ай бұрын

I just blank her out when she talks.

Chris saying he cheated because he didn't have a father figure... Bruh that makes no sense 💀 i know plenty people without father figures who don't cheat, just making up excuses

@chrissirois

3 ай бұрын

It's only one piece of the puzzle that I'm trying to figure out. I don't blame my actions on any one part of my past. I take full accountability for my actions. I'll always be a work in progress. ✌🏻

@sj0223

3 ай бұрын

It reminds of that meme where guys say "I cheated because my grandma died two years ago and I didn't have a dad and one time my mom put me on restriction and I had a dog that was hit by car" or something lol Like what bro?!

@thelemurofmadagascar9183

3 ай бұрын

People who come from single parent households are statistically much more likely to cheat. It's not an excuse, but it does explain what makes some people more prone to cheating than others. Understanding human psychology and behaviour is not the same as justifying it.

@MrStevo411

3 ай бұрын

@@chrissiroisit’s almost like you didn’t delve deeper and give more clarification that made sense lol @elisestevenson9120 him saying that he didn’t have a father was not his excuse for why he cheated. It was a prefacing statement into the real reason that was he was raised by and primarily surrounded by women and learned to crave their attention and what not. THAT was the reason he was a cheater.

@chrissirois

3 ай бұрын

@@MrStevo411 well, it wasn't like this was going to answer all of the questions. It was a very limited discussion and there are so many pieces that go into our dysfunctions. I'm on a quest to just be a better person and being a part of this conversation was interesting to say the least. ✌🏻

Saying you’re Christian and believe in the entire bible, but missing the commandment to not commit adultery 🙃

@deenyembe4915

11 күн бұрын

She cheated before she become Christian ❤

@owenleal

2 күн бұрын

Maybe they have selective dyslexia and couldnt read that part. 😢

The cheaters are literally doing gymnastics to avoid taking responsibility! Like throwing out worse case scenarios like suicidal partners & abusing relationships. Those are not the majority of cheating case so don’t use them in this argument

@fuckthepolice71

2 ай бұрын

What made me laugh is that they are abusers themselves and dont even realise it

@davidembleton1619

7 күн бұрын

Facts.. It was crazy to listen to them justifying their behavior.

This blond woman seems like someone who would go to therapy and then tell the therapist “well actually you should be telling me this”

@HiLaToya

3 ай бұрын

Can't remember rolling my eyes so much in one episode.

@amandamorgan8047

3 ай бұрын

Lmaoooo when she said telling your partner that you cheated isnt accountability I screamed 😂😂😂😂😂

@chiefnama790

2 ай бұрын

​@@amandamorgan8047🙄 she's a different kind of special.

@byoutifulmusic

2 ай бұрын

@@chiefnama790 nope...just your typical k

@Orius25

Ай бұрын

She strikes me as someone who has done therapy and has integrated her experiences. I valued her viewpoints.

The smugness of the woman in the blazer is absolutely wild-to say you don’t owe you *husband* the decency of telling him the truth, after you’ve made a vow to love him through sickness and in health, to then go on and *cheat* on him and *betray* his trust because you are selfish is just absolutely crazy to me.

@fiftyzanes

3 ай бұрын

yes omg i’m so glad someone is talking about this !! i literally couldn’t believe what i was hearing

@camim7359

3 ай бұрын

she made my blood BOIL

@ameliafarted

3 ай бұрын

and she’s still with the person she cheated with

@Ghost-pb4ts

3 ай бұрын

A flawless relationship can be shattered by a fleeting moment-a kiss, a fling-that may have occurred many years prior. You might not even recall the face of the person involved in that momentary lapse. Yet, for your partner, it can spell the definitive end. In numerous instances, one partner discovers betrayal, a grave error committed in a moment of recklessness. By the time the truth surfaces, the partner once cherished has moved on, leaving the betrayed to embark on the arduous journey of healing anew. This scenario isn't confined to the past. A couple in their 70s found that other cheated them in their 30s they divorced Therefore, after solemnly vowing to stand by your partner in sickness and in health, to then betray that trust out of sheer selfishness is utterly incomprehensible to me. Simply because you possess the capability to do something doesn't mean you should. Theology should remain a thousand feet away from practical, real-world decision-making.

@nicholesidla6233

3 ай бұрын

Sad thing is I'm almost positive she has a tic tok page called "The other woman and the wife" where she pushes this narrative constantly and is really dismissive of the betrayed and makes it seem like cheating is okay. She's messed up and still doing whatever she can to make what she's done okay

as soon as that girl raven said im a christian, I was like bye. you came out here publicly defending cheating

@nanomia

23 күн бұрын

lol for real

“If you’re in an abusive relationship then just leave” is s o o o o wildly ignorant. And she was so confident saying it helpp 😭

@madisonhawkins4504

3 ай бұрын

So ppl should stay in an abusive relationship? The only solution in an abusive relationship is to leave. Is it hard absolutely doesn’t change the fact that it needs to be done. And cheating on your already mentally unstable partner isn’t helping them leave

@madisonhawkins4504

3 ай бұрын

@@Jenny-vm3yu never said it was simple. I agree that it can be very very hard. But what you’re is that it’s better for women to stay in an abusive relationship than to get help and try to leave, which I’m sorry I just don’t agree with. It sucks that we live in a world where people think it’s better to stay in an abusive relationship, because what it’s hard?

@xqr.r

2 ай бұрын

​@@madisonhawkins4504 it's quite hard to leave an abusive relationship

@madisonhawkins4504

2 ай бұрын

@@xqr.r where did I say it was easy? Which comment? Just because something is hard doesn’t mean it shouldn’t be done. What’s the alternative, people should stay in abusive relationships because it’s hard to leave? No. People should leave. They should get help or at least try. So that they can live a happy life. And I’ll add that if others see someone in what seems like an abusive relationship they NEED to tell someone. Also if someone is in an abusive relationship and they’re close enough to a person to cheat on their partner with, that person is close enough to help them escape the abusive relationship.

@Vradica

29 күн бұрын

It's the only solution to that situation... What I find wilder tho is people saying "it's okay to cheat in a abusive relationship", how is that not illogical? if you are in such a relationship and are just able to meet and date other people, why can't you just leave? it makes no sense

Chelsea is the type of woman that just got back from a gentrified yoga retreat in a foreign country and thinks she’s better than everyone else now.

@rnbear

3 ай бұрын

Eat pray love-esk

@majapuseljic8015

3 ай бұрын

HAHA

@annasiddall6133

Ай бұрын

EXACTLY.

@nehsangbong7259

Ай бұрын

Superiority complex at its best. I can't stand it when people act like that. 🙄

@alexthievery7834

Ай бұрын

😭😭😭

Chelsea seems like the type of person who thinks she has figured it all out and therefore knows better than everyone else. It was so irritating to watch her treat others in such a patronizing way.

@sky-dq2uc

3 ай бұрын

you can tell from the way both chelsea and raven were speaking and wording things that they view their subjective opinions on topic as fact and the superior way of thinking. 🙃

@shhhyourtooloud257

3 ай бұрын

i thought i was the only one who noticed this since no one really mentioned it. She was treating the others in such an odd way, smiling/clapping whenever she "proved" a point (even though this isn't a debate competition), yet to get there she had to contradict herself many times to get there, even being called out on her hypocrisy.

@Ceerads

3 ай бұрын

@@shhhyourtooloud257I couldn’t stand her.

@truself108

3 ай бұрын

I was gonna say I felt the same about raven “I believe in the cross, and the Bible, the whole Bible, not just one portion of the Bible” like girl get over yourself😂

@iamtianajames7868

3 ай бұрын

@@truself108she was doin that to be funny toward Chelsea haha.

hot take: if your partner is abusive and you are unsafe to leave the relationship, it is no longer a relationship it's a hostage situation. your partner broke the relationship contract when they became violent and there is no such thing as "cheating" when you're being held against your will.

@nosnah227

Ай бұрын

While in theory I think this is true, I find it hard to imagine a situation where someone is unsafe to leave but also has the freedom and autonomy to even have the opportunity to cheat.

@Spijen

Ай бұрын

my hot take is that you shouldnt be worried about being in love with other people while youre in a relationship with someone abusive.that must feel so shitty to fall in love with someone just to find out they were using you to get out of their own relationship. put your focus and efforts into getting out of your relationship... if you need support, it doesnt have to be romantic. how about leaning on family or friends, not creating a romantic relationship?

@wtzara

Ай бұрын

⁠@@SpijenYou’re assuming that someone who’s ended up in such a relationship even has friends or family. They’re most likely isolated from everyone other than their partner, and if they’re lucky enough to have the opportunity to meet another person, it’d be very likely that they have a strong desire for a caring romantic partner. Therefore almost anyone who’s willing to help them will be considered a love interest.

@mstashstar

23 күн бұрын

Cheating and domestic violence are two different things stop trying to justify. Smh

@haleighboese9276

8 күн бұрын

​@@nosnah227People have to work. Being abused doesn't necessarily mean you're locked in the house 24/7. Or if your partner leaves for work and you start an affair with the neighbor or someone convenient.

When you cheat on someone, you need to tell the person you cheated on to give them the choice to leave or to say. Every day you don't tell them you're allowing them to continue to waste their time with a cheater and that might not that be their choice.

Middle Ground Idea: Parents whose child ended a relationship with them vs child who stopped having a relationship with their parent

@cattledogandstaffy

3 ай бұрын

Love this idea!

@noxemistirpze4843

3 ай бұрын

Incredible idea

@meowbruhhh4586

3 ай бұрын

yo me and my dad should be there, except he dont speak English, only Spanish

@user-sy5bj5nd6x

3 ай бұрын

You should’ve phrased this better…Unless you’re from Alabama🌚

@rebekahtapia8011

3 ай бұрын

This would be so interesting !!

Chelsea is giving “yea i cheated and i’ll do it again.”

@HarmonyJt

3 ай бұрын

Ariana Grande vibes 😅

@osmanyousif7849

3 ай бұрын

She for the streets…

@keum8376

3 ай бұрын

LMAOOO😂@@osmanyousif7849

@whointhewhat

3 ай бұрын

She probably blamed the partner when he found out

@kroozctrl6284

3 ай бұрын

Buddy @20:50 she admits it. No conspiracy there. She has a side dude she is screwing even though she is married with 3 kids

If I get cheated on then thats an immediate deal breaker.

You don’t love someone if you cheat on them period. If you can go out and cheat knowing someone is at home waiting for you, then you do not love them.

Why isnt anyone talking about Chelsea. Her entire persona is mental gymnastics to validate selfishness

@madameee4274

3 ай бұрын

Literally. I don't see anyone talking about her

@Samantha__420

3 ай бұрын

I came to the comments fully expecting it to be a bunch of comments about Chelsea but this is the first I’ve seen

@Hollywould94

3 ай бұрын

I commented she was a huge gaslightler an hour ago lol but before mine? 0 comments lol

@raimeyewens7518

3 ай бұрын

I was expecting lots of comments about Chelsea too. She seems very narcissistic and trying to avoid any type of blame on herself. The gaslighting from this woman is astounding.

@bryanzoom97

3 ай бұрын

Yes I’m so puzzled by her one of her bad takes is saying confessing you cheated is NOT accountability 🤔🤔

As a therapist myself, I would investigate narcissism with Chelsea.

@martingarno9815

3 ай бұрын

That's why they call the qualified one psychiatrist

@HH-mr3iq

3 ай бұрын

@@martingarno9815 Confused by what you mean. How would my being a therapist stop me from diagnosing her with a mental health disorder? What medications would you prescribe somebody with a narcissistic personality disorder? A psychiatrist would be unnecessary in this instance.

@2wickie686

3 ай бұрын

I clocked her as one before she even spoke. Autism rizz at work once again lol. No but for real, she's insane. Look in her eyes and look at her body language and how she tries to police everyone around her, and her subtle little passive aggressive jab at the guy who mistakenly walked forward for the final(?) question. I would not trust her in a room with ANYONE.

@DrArthurCGarp

3 ай бұрын

@@HH-mr3iq I think they meant there’s a reason Chelsea is a “life coach” instead of a qualified psychiatrist

@majapuseljic8015

3 ай бұрын

hahahaha

You scared to leave an abusive but not to cheat on the person abusing you 🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔

I know I’m in an abusive relationship and its not safe for me to leave but while I’m away from my partner I’m going to cheat and include someone in the perceived danger. -Sophia, co-signed by deranged Chelsea

An hour long video? What are the cheaters even gonna say? this is gonna be humiliating😭😭😭😭

@Nintendoshi

3 ай бұрын

Maybe the whole point of the video is to give some perspective instead of immediately assuming ill intentions of people so quicky.

@a.k2354

3 ай бұрын

​@Nintendoshi ur tripping 😭 intentions dont matter when your hurting someone the "intention" doesn't make hurting someone, the betrayal of trust etc etc any better. It's wrong on base level u the problem if u can't see that

@reneaiko

3 ай бұрын

⁠@@a.k2354i agree and i think cheating in itself is VERY intentional.

@Sol4rOnYt

3 ай бұрын

exactly

@kiwidoh

3 ай бұрын

The title might be “Is it wrong” but they ask a lot of deeper questions around emotional cheating, love for a cheater, and forgiveness. It’s actually very humanizing to hear for those that have been cheated on. Maybe watch the video before leaving a comment

Not having a father at home is not an excuse for cheating.

@onyinyesarah1226

3 ай бұрын

Definitely not an excuse but can be a factor

@talkingtochapri

3 ай бұрын

​@@onyinyesarah1226yup. Could be a factor. Even worse, if you have a present useless cheating father 💀

@mtyson3248

3 ай бұрын

not an excuse but definitely leads to being a cheater due to the lack of a positive example of monagomay in the home.

@lostharmony27breaker98

3 ай бұрын

true even though not having a healthy relationship to look up to can impact a child

@astaroth.ackerman

3 ай бұрын

@@onyinyesarah1226 “Hey, babe. My dad is a deadbeat so I decided to cheat on you. Whoopsies!”

I’ve never been cheated on, but my brother dated a girl that cheated on him for the entire duration of their relationship (3 years). He was in tears every night and it was awful to witness.

That girl with a grey hoodie needs a hug i have been through that i can see how she is literally hurting🥺

@SamuelJ888

Ай бұрын

which girl with grey hoodie?

@zxoox

Ай бұрын

@@SamuelJ888raven, the one who cheated

Chelsea seems very manipulative. I think she has brainwashed herself to live with what she did. The language twisting and the narratives pushed just didn’t seem genuine.

@raimeyewens7518

3 ай бұрын

Narcissistic gaslighting.

@raimeyewens7518

3 ай бұрын

58:06 she actually councils other women. I was thinking either her therapist filled her head with delusions or she is one herself. I can’t imagine how she’s twisted some people’s minds into thinking like she does. Why is it always the people who need the most therapy are actually the therapists?

@JoseAFV1907

3 ай бұрын

@@raimeyewens7518 definitively, I think she inadvertently said it herself. Yes, a relationship needs fulfilled individuals but to say she’s the only one that matters was just so showing. Scary that these are the loudest voices and counseling others to make decisions in life.

@jesstheromantic

3 ай бұрын

@@JoseAFV1907she didn’t say she’s the only person that matters she says she has to be the most important person to herself. But I see why people would say that’s jarring because we are told that self sacrifice is the only way to make a relationship work.

@derpestarzt

3 ай бұрын

@@jesstheromantic a degree of self sacrifice IS the only way a relationship can work, period.

Hearing Chelsea say “what if you have a partner that’s suicidal” trying to justify not disclosing cheating made me roll my eyes. Like quit coming up with hypotheticals and doing mental gymnastics and just be real with yourself. You did something bad to somebody and they deserve to know so that they can heal properly instead of looking for answers.

@kamuilasia5813

3 ай бұрын

If people were that truthful about things, they wouldn't have cheated in the first place. You see things as black and white but partners have to take accountability for their spouse's feelings at some point. If you've been with someone for x amount of time you could guess how they'll react to the truth.

@mangekyo1866

3 ай бұрын

@@kamuilasia5813How can someone be responsible for somebody else’s feelings?

@GenerationNextNextNext

3 ай бұрын

If a partner is suicidal, she should be feeling worse about actually doing the action in the first place. I have to wonder why she got married.

@San-lh8us

3 ай бұрын

if you don't know, it doesn't affect you, if you do know, that is only gonna cause you suffering for a while

@Brie-ug9ro

3 ай бұрын

besides, if they were worried about their partner being suicidal, they shouldn’t have cheated in the first place

Raven is trying to either get back with her husband or keep him after cheating. DON'T DO IT BRO. ITS A TRAP... Unrepentance is real and dangerous. 💀 ☠

@lukeandrew3335

Ай бұрын

I feel the same. Bro is great for 'growing' in awareness of how much more a husband needs to bring to a relationship then just money for sex but now he has grown, get a better woman i.e one that won't cheat (AGAIN) when something else is wrong.

Cheating is one of the worst things you can do to your partner. As someone who was cheated on, it has caused problems in my current relationship because I have severe trust issues. The biggest problem is I don’t even trust myself or my judgement because I was so oblivious. I know it’s my own issue to work through but cheating causes psychological damage to a person. It is a selfish thing to do and I’m glad Chelsea admitted she was a very selfish person. Most cheaters are.

Blonde lady saying “we all play a part in cheating society included” euhm what do I have to do with you deciding to go mess with someone else ??? The cheaters were really trying to convince themselves that what they do/did is okay when it never is.

@fiftyzanes

3 ай бұрын

yup that was so random

@mahadewiiii

3 ай бұрын

Yes I couldn’t believe her saying that! How does society cause you to cheat?!! 😅 I couldn’t believe anyone was nodding along with anything that arrogant woman said!!!

@yahainHotPink

3 ай бұрын

Tell it!! 😭😭😭 Chelsea is ummm.....

@ness4575

3 ай бұрын

i think it has less to do with society, more childhood, the community you were brought into, and the values you were born into/raised around. hurt people hurt people and thats probably why people cheat in the first place. still unjustifiable though dont get me wrong!

3 ай бұрын

@@mahadewiiiiso arrogant! And completely delusional with half of the things she was saying

How is she not attracted to anyone, but she still cheated on her husband??? Make it make sense 😂😂

@MarcoAce13

3 ай бұрын

Because like most Christian’s she’s a self righteous liar.

@sintiayuliani9123

3 ай бұрын

and she tried to bring up religion.. like girl how u be so confident and so wrong at the same time

@Nymeria64

3 ай бұрын

She did a bad thing and it’s her way of trying to correct the behavior so she doesn’t do it again especially since she is still with the same partner. I doubt he wants to hear her say that she finds other men attractive

@betteryourlife865

3 ай бұрын

Yeah that didn’t make any sense…like girl you cheated so obviously you found someone attractive enough to get to that point. Then the husband was the one who had go re-examine himself. Like ooooh kay.

@Haru_Misu

3 ай бұрын

Yeah, and i feel like she was skirting around the question too… like the question was do you find other men attractive and her answer was “I can’t, im married and Christian” …ok. you “cant” according to your religion but DO you😂?? You cant cheat as a Christian either, but you did that, so???

Love the discussion and respect to everyone who participated but one thing that I noticed is that most of the people who have cheated have replaced the definition of " love" with "infatuation"

@iamphayvoured

Ай бұрын

Exactly. One of them even said she was in love with two people at once. By definition, that’s impossible lol

I’m sorry but the girl that said “I unfortunately have a long history of cheating” as if it wasn’t her own choice 😭💀

@sophiemilkes

2 ай бұрын

I never said it wasn't my choice. In fact at one point I think I said they were selfish choices. Unfortunately I have a long history of cheating meant exactly that: it's unfortunate that I hurt so many people. I did a lot of work on myself and am proud to say I haven't cheated on anyone in over 5 years.

@leysley

2 ай бұрын

@@sophiemilkes what a flex😭😅 but hey, congratulations still

@sophiemilkes

2 ай бұрын

@@leysleyI legitimately wasn't trying to flex, but I'm done defending myself in the comments. I've worked really hard to change, and I know who I am, and I'm blessed that many of the people I've hurt have forgiven me, even though I didn't deserve their forgiveness. That's all that matters. I truly hope you have a wonderful day. 🥰

@ysbsin5035

Ай бұрын

​@@sophiemilkesI'm happy you don't feel the need to defend yourself from things some people have said about you in the comments. My personal opinion is that many of the people who watched the video have a strong bias against cheaters and for this reason they weren't so open about listening and understanding what you guys had to say about the matter. I commend you for being so open about your experience knowing that you were in a difficult spot. Your voice was a valuable addition to the conversation and it has been a pleasure listening to what you had to say.

@sophiemilkes

Ай бұрын

@@ysbsin5035 thank you, that's very kind of you to say 🩵

The cheaters said exactly what you think they'd say.

@pcprinciple3774

3 ай бұрын

None of them said the obvious

@lopae5295

3 ай бұрын

figured

@yesyesyes666

3 ай бұрын

thanks i didn't want to watch the full video but the title was interesting enough to click😭😭

@rosie2871

3 ай бұрын

yeah literally. i was hoping there would be cheaters that evolved into better people and take responsibility for what they did, etc but nope

@pcprinciple3774

3 ай бұрын

@@rosie2871 i was hoping some of the cheated on would take responsibility for the fact they didn't satisfy their partners and evolve to do better, but it never got bought up

Cheating is always wrong. No discussion needed.

@amethystdream8251

3 ай бұрын

At first I was upset with all the unnecessary discourse around this, and the struggle so many seem to be having to understand this, and now I'm just fascinated! Lol

@12toro

3 ай бұрын

The only time I can kinda understand is if someone is in an abusive relationship and could be in danger if they broke up with there partner and find somebody to help them get out.

@intensevideogame

3 ай бұрын

@@12toro why would you need to cheat to do that? Its the only slightly understandable situation but you still don't need to cheat to do that.

@12toro

3 ай бұрын

@@intensevideogame If your partner is abusive and you need another relationship to get you out

@TheRealBoss1113

3 ай бұрын

​@12toro imo, if you are in a relationship against your will. if you sleep with someone else, you arent cheating

The fact that Chelsea tried to compare the love a mother/child share to two ppl having an affair is wild…she is extremely selfish and lacks basic discipline

@sijiama3476

2 ай бұрын

she was just explaining the definition of the word "limerence" tho

Chelsea is the type of person to hear she's the problem from everyone and thinks that everyone is the problem

A lot of people use the word “narcissist” too loosely. Chelsea is absolutely a textbook narcissist

@SJ-qf2tz

3 ай бұрын

100 percent. I mean even turning it around and blaming the other person for what she did.

@starsigngirl9789

3 ай бұрын

I like her 😂damn her narcissism is working

@ijiahpeavy2429

3 ай бұрын

@@starsigngirl9789you’d be manipulated very easily.

@ijiahpeavy2429

3 ай бұрын

@@starsigngirl9789Rule of thumb, if someone says they’re a cheater they’re typically a liar and deceitful which comes along with a cunning way of speaking and are often seemingly very honest (manipulative).

@alliebrowning8875

3 ай бұрын

And she totally has a savior complex with her counseling job

I feel bad for anyone in a relationship with Chelsea.

@pat4455

3 ай бұрын

You can bet money that there was a counceller (just like Chelsea) involved, when Keith figures it out he's gona be pissed. Been there done that, his partner Raven is a sociopath. Letting Chelsea participate tainted the discussion.

@Random-sk6hm

3 ай бұрын

Same with that Raven girl, she's insufferable with her Christian superiority and gaslighting Keith.

@jeanrewss

3 ай бұрын

Sameeee

@MarcoAce13

3 ай бұрын

Why? She seems pretty smart

@irvdoge7345

3 ай бұрын

@@MarcoAce13she contradicts herself a lot bro. She said she cares about herself more than anyone else but she wouldn’t tell her partner because it might hurt them even tho ACCORDING TO HER (she said this) confessing your cheating relieves your guilt and shame.

It’s so ironic that in the era of acknowledging as a society the importance of consent and transparency, that someone could feel like it’s okay to be dishonest and disrespectful to their partner and keep it to themselves. Regardless of how someone will take it, if you wronged someone, you have a responsibility to be honest, especially if they’re your partner. Cheating and not disclosing doing so is incredibly disrespectful. Especially if the cheating was physical because (assuming you are still in the relationship) you continue to be physical with your partner. That is violating consent in the sense that you’ve now exposed your partner to potential STDs/STIs without them being aware. That is not okay.

Cheating, no matter how one defends it, is ABSOLUTELY WRONG!

The fact that Chelsea thinks cheating was necessary and couldn't have just ended the marriage respectfully blows my mind.

@toriqatullahsanni8607

3 ай бұрын

Exact,why can't you first end a relationship the moment you feel you fell in love with someone else rather than cheating is beyond me

@MrLuffyoo

3 ай бұрын

She s just a B

@1Skorpia

2 ай бұрын

Narcissist. Gaslighting.

@PregnantWAwkwardness

2 ай бұрын

That's not what she said. Also she did leave her husband after confessing to him? What?

@Orius25

Ай бұрын

How is it mind-blowing? When she cheated, she came home and moved out, and then began the process of moving on.

Short answer is yes

@Taylorswiftarmpitsweat

3 ай бұрын

Nope, cheating is justified against men.

@jonnelacecodog3490

3 ай бұрын

Yep, cheating is wrong in any context of life

@zionhorne9807

3 ай бұрын

Exactly,short and simple 😅

@Beefy_McWhatnow

3 ай бұрын

Long answer is also yes

@Alien-ii2zh

3 ай бұрын

​@@Taylorswiftarmpitsweat nice name😅.

Don't be in a relationship if you are going to cheat period!!! All these cheaters sound like narcissists!

Most of the cheaters constantly trying to validate themselves is wild. I honestly can't stand the type of people who cannot admit that what they have done/are doing is just wrong. They constantly try to make it the other peoples fault and it's just ridiculous.

Chelsea has this arrogant, “enlightened” energy that makes it seem like she thinks her way of thinking is THE way of thinking

@Jessicad9304

3 ай бұрын

So does Raven, I think that’s why they butted heads 😂

@MarcoAce13

3 ай бұрын

I’d say that’s more Raven

@TheRealLTJRH512

3 ай бұрын

@@MarcoAce13 her too she’s that’s stereotypical holier than thou Christian

@ElectronicCalifornia

3 ай бұрын

A lot of people think their way of thinking is the only way, just look at the comments sections. Everyone who disagrees with Chelsea's perspective is insulting and ridiculing her rather than just agreeing to disagreeing.

@Jessicad9304

3 ай бұрын

@@ElectronicCalifornia when people have an arrogant or hypocritical attitude it’s naturally repulsive to others. That’s what people are reacting to, and there’s nothing wrong with that. It (should) serve as a social learning tool for the person to become more empathetic in the future.

i loved that british dude, he asked hard questions and had pretty solid opinions

@niyajawn

3 ай бұрын

He’s South African

@stamzthehuman897

3 ай бұрын

@@niyajawn How do you know

@annetteoleary5691

3 ай бұрын

He was eating Chelsea up

@stamzthehuman897

3 ай бұрын

@@annetteoleary5691 I don't see the relation

@aprilsummers6447

3 ай бұрын

​@@stamzthehuman897 because he can tell? Maybe the person is South African? I'm British and I get how people can get confused between British and South African accents but ultimately, he does not sound British.

The craziest part about this video is that, the most sensible cheater. Is the one who gaslit her husband into thinking it was partially his fault. Thos video just motivated me to always remain faithful to my girlfriend. I never want to be these dysfunctional losers.

Im glad Leon brought the hoops that people jump through to make words have meanings that seem convenient to them depending on the conversation and person.

the moderator is giving chelsea way too much airtime lmao

@babyb7001

3 ай бұрын

She probably slept with him 😂

@kamuilasia5813

3 ай бұрын

​@babyb7001 you messy for that

@soe606

3 ай бұрын

​​@@babyb7001 My goodness. The door is open...GET OUT 😭

@aditi22012

3 ай бұрын

Because she made the most sense - correct or not.

@jennam8401

3 ай бұрын

@@aditi22012 hi Chelsea 👋

Raven and Keith being a couple was a PLOT TWIST! She talking about “I’m a Christian” and cheated in a marriage?!

@bryanzoom97

3 ай бұрын

And they have children smh 😢😢😢

@InternetGirl1093

3 ай бұрын

I hate when ppl try to run to religion after doing something horrible. It’s so played.

@ravethomas16

3 ай бұрын

So Christians are perfect??? What??? Lol

@toviasjames7902

3 ай бұрын

That part!!

@Jessicad9304

3 ай бұрын

@@ravethomas16 girl no, but almost all of us know someone who has made a big mistake and then they try to quickly get forgiven and not face consequences by pushing the hurt party into Christian forgiveness. It’s toxic.

I've been cheated on and in my opinion, if you don't see any way to fix whatever you feel is wrong you should just be straightforward with your partner and end it. There's no need to cheat, if you want to search what your missing with another person then don't be in a relationship. I know some will say "it's not that simple" and everything else, but at the end of the day cheating is a choice because if you truly want to be with someone else you can end your relationship way before you do anything physical with another person.

Chelsea is so incredibly smart. She has figured out how to convince herself that she's not a terrible person, was able to educate all the noncheaters about how wrong they are, AND has even made a living in counseling other people that are presumably going through similar situations. Absolutely brilliant.

@junojx

3 ай бұрын

textbook narcissist

@Akili369

3 ай бұрын

Yup! And tries to reason to others how they're wrong for nor being self centered like her! She admitted she puts herself first in all aspects, which is disgusting behavior.

@gorillagripcoochie631

3 ай бұрын

@@Akili369what’s wrong with putting yourself first?

@alliebrowning8875

3 ай бұрын

@@gorillagripcoochie631 It’s the way she said it. Of course we should take care of ourselves first, BUT we absolutely have a responsibility to consider the feelings of the people in our lives before we act. Her whole point was I will always put myself first and do what I want to do, regardless of how anyone around me feels.

@user-sy5bj5nd6x

3 ай бұрын

That’s because she loves the others 💀🤣🤣🤣

Chelsea will say you can't control how someone else feels, but will try to control how someone else feels by not telling them that you cheated. It is hypocritical.

Them: “You can cheat if you’re being abused.” Nobody: Call 911

@haleighboese9276

8 күн бұрын

They won't do anything unless you're actively being assaulted or threatened.

It's never the cheated on person's fault. Never let someone manipulate you into believing that.

I love how she identifies as a serial cheater like it's an illness she has that she can't stop.

@coquigirl0789

3 ай бұрын

I feel like she has a sex addiction.

@Random-sk6hm

3 ай бұрын

Tbf a lot of serial cheaters have underlying trauma that they're not fully dealing with. I think they should seek therapy so that they can find happiness in themselves.

@fiftyzanes

3 ай бұрын

LMAOO

@mst-pierrem5729

3 ай бұрын

The thing is some people cheat and yes it about something else than the cheating sadly I am with a husband who is on the spectrum and have a hard time understand his own feelings. Now, he ain't a cheater but I understand and saw a serial cheater does not understand why they did cheat because they don't understand their behaviors so naturally they repeat it. It goes hand and hand with many behaviors not only cheating.

@renflower1910

3 ай бұрын

Like she doesn’t have to be in a relationship. She can do her own thing.

if someone cheated on you, the person does not love you enough.

"Falling in love is not a choice, staying in love is a choice." Love that.

Leon the voice of reason. So knowledgeable

Leon was my favorite to listen to. He always had thoughtful and logical questions, comments and responses.

@inevitablesound7465

3 ай бұрын

His positions all seemed well thought out and reasonable

@txunamythang

Ай бұрын

Underrated comment fr

@anniek3866

Ай бұрын

Fr he's so real He isn't trying to justify anything Just being real

@haleycarson4129

Ай бұрын

He was the most balanced and came with the intention of asking the whys and how’s. He didn’t pass judgment at all.

Anyone who says cheating is not wrong is either: a) a moron b) a cheater who is defending themselves c) someone who was obsessed (in a romantic way) with a cheater d) all of the above

@amalthea1965

3 ай бұрын

pretty much

@montanahelton1272

3 ай бұрын

No one said it wasn’t wrong, but there are situations that are more nuanced than black and white.

@yamiletsoler3464

3 ай бұрын

What is a moron? I'm curious

@SqueakyMcGee

3 ай бұрын

Or, e) professional baseball players in the early 2000’s

@LadySilver-xs2eq

3 ай бұрын

@@SqueakyMcGee lol

"its not my place to dictate what someone else needs, they need to tell me what they need"... LADY, YOURE IN A COMMITTED RELATIONSHIP I THINK THAT KINDA TELLS YOU WHAT THEY NEED

Cheating is cowardly at best, sadistic at worst

@DamnKayla

3 ай бұрын

real

I’ve been cheated on, it’s one of the worst feelings in the world. It is NEVER justified no matter what.

@ShaqBenji

3 ай бұрын

Especially when they blame you for it

@AsapChalan

3 ай бұрын

Not unless you are a dv victim

@ItsRaevie

3 ай бұрын

@@AsapChalanor a sa victim. I personally was manipulated whilst under the influence even though i had said no sober multiple times and no drunk- when i was alot more drunk than they were. They manipulated me by saying were just friends its not cheating when i said no im in a relationship (which i had just rambled on abt how great he was and showing pics of him). They said he doesn’t have to know if he thinks it is cheating. And kissing isnt cheating. And then reiterated were just friends its not cheating and got moody with me until i gave in. I live with that guilt of the two kisses we had every day but I learnt not to put myself in that situation again no matter how much I trust my “friend”.

@mattyy101

2 ай бұрын

Most of us have lol

@mattyy101

2 ай бұрын

​@@AsapChalanjust leave omg cheating is still not ok.. no excuses

Anytime a cheater is trying to justify or even try to get the cheated on side to understand, it’s not justifiable or understandable to break another person that loves you. There’s no excuse for it.

Yooo... If you believe its "too dangerous" to leave an abusive relationship, wtf makes you believe its SAFE to cheat on them? You still gotta go home to them, so what do you think they're gonna DO TO YOU once they find out you cheated on them?

Can't believe this even needs an hour long discussion, it's always yes.

@DD-rh2sz

3 ай бұрын

The discussion was more than just the title of the video.

@_Cetarial

3 ай бұрын

I feel like there is one, single exception: Abusive relationships.

@xsenpai5179

3 ай бұрын

No

@renflower1910

3 ай бұрын

@@_CetarialThere isn’t any. If anything you’re putting yourself in a huge position of danger if the abuser finds out. If you’re in a abusive relationship, you’re mind should be on survival and trying to get out of that relationship.

@renflower1910

3 ай бұрын

@@xsenpai5179YES

Chelsea said “ I matter most over anybody else and I come first” then said “ telling your partner you cheated is wrong because you’re just relieving yourself of guilt and shame” BUT THEN SAID “ its wrong to tell your partner because you’re going to cause trauma” according to her, telling her partner would’ve been the best thing for her since she looks out for number 1 but she contradicts herself by saying she’s trying to spare the emotions of the other person. She’s literally contradicting herself just to justify her actions in every prompt 🤦‍♂️

@rais14

3 ай бұрын

nailed it.

@lenaburkett4444

3 ай бұрын

She sure did a lot of mental and word gymnastics to justify her narrative and bring everything back to her at literally every turn.

@SqueakyMcGee

3 ай бұрын

She’s a known sociopath.

@takemetomarz

3 ай бұрын

Exactly.

@user-sy5bj5nd6x

3 ай бұрын

If only she trained in actual gymnastics🌚 she would’ve dominated the Olympics 🤣

raven is too self righteous in this conversation for someone who cheated 😂.

Raven is dodging every question with "as a christian..." and like bro how can u say "i don't see men in that way...." when u literally cheated🧍‍♀️

You CANNOT be in love with someone you cheat on. You would never want to purposely hurt someone you love period.

@kathryncox7775

3 ай бұрын

This. I don't know why this wasn't said. You can't love someone and then make the decision to hurt them. "Well you can still love, it is a mistake" So you have no impulse control?

@N..P..

3 ай бұрын

You can make a decision that hurts someone if you love them. There's a difference between just hurting someone and outright betraying them in one of the worst ways possible. A person who loves someone wouldn't betray them like that.

@AoifeOwonifari-pd5tm

3 ай бұрын

Yes you can stop spouting nonsense all it means is that you made a bad decision. If you love someone you love them but that doesn't mean it's impossible for you to cheat on them. This is reality

@user-pf9ji5vd8j

3 ай бұрын

@@AoifeOwonifari-pd5tm found the cheater!

@1hmgirl

3 ай бұрын

@@AoifeOwonifari-pd5tm I guess you're speaking for your own personal morals. And showing your capacity for love towards someone else. But there are lots of steps that someone would have to go through to get to cheating and if the feelings that you have for another person don't stop you in any of those steps... Then you Don't and cannot truly love them.

Here for my boy Leon. He held this ep down.

@mmanyhandss

3 ай бұрын

exactly, he was such a grounding voice of reason

@Ray03595

3 ай бұрын

Half those cheaters were just delusional. Chelsea would say anything to justify her behavior.

@AP-Design

3 ай бұрын

Me, too, honestly. He seemed like the only one getting to the heart of the issues.

@osmanyousif7849

2 ай бұрын

@@Ray03595, to be fair, all cheaters are pretty delusional.

I cant even watch the video, i just came to comment how angry it makes me that there are people who genuinely think its ok to cheat

When my ex cheated on me, I had a feeling the entire time. He lied constantly. I found out 2 years later the extent he cheated… where he got in trouble at his job. It hurts just as much as it did when I had an inkling. It’s taken me years to heal.

I liked Leon a lot. He’s the type of guy I’d want to just chat with on a park bench.