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Not only did Veeck sign Larry Doby as baseball's second black player (and first in the AL), he also hired Dobe as baseball's second black manager. The significance of this was that Frank Robinson, baseball's first black manager, was hired as a player-manager, Doby was the first black man hired exclusively to manage.

Bill Veck's father, Bill Veck, Sr. wrote under under the byline "Bill Bailey" The song "Won't You Come Home Bill Bailey" was written when Veck, Sr. jumped from one newspaper to another on behalf of the original newspaper.

Showmanship and exaggeration are two different things; one does not imply the other. And the absence of a story in the Tribune about a deal that never took place, is also not proof of a negative. Meanwhile as noted Veeck's bringing in Larry Doby in Cleveland to break the AL colour line demonstrates his interest in integrating the Game, but if Veeck is working at the time with the Indians... why would he be talking about a failed deal with the Phillies, a deal in the past in another league? This counterargument just isn't well thought out. The Landis statement about being OK with blacks in baseball was part of a spin cycle after Leo Durocher had been quoted (with others) saying that he (Durocher) would like to play black players if Landis would only permit it. Landis then called Durocher on his carpet, after which Durocher announced he had been misquoted. The fact that Landis had to summon Durocher to the office before Durocher decided he had been misquoted, speaks loudly. It was after THAT that Landis made the statement, which pretty much smells like damage control. Durocher went on later to lay down the law on the Brooklyn bench to players thinking about resisting Jackie Robinson's presence on the team. And the sequence of events remains that the breaking of that colour line didn't happen until after Landis had died. Basically here, absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. The fact (if true) that Veeck is the ultimate source of all stories, does not mean that therefore it's not true; it simply means it isn't corroborated.

@danholm4952

Жыл бұрын

Bill Veeck was never the problem... its was jim crow wt owners

Nice video. I have a request, what about taking this story on step further and actually mocking up a 1943 Phillies team with Negro league players. What would that look like? I assume they would dominate the National league.

@russphilly

9 ай бұрын

no shit

I loved Bill Veeck. But when he subsequently bought MLB teams, he could've stocked them with black players... or at least tried. He did not.

@notvalidcharacters

Жыл бұрын

Actually he did. Larry Doby, as mentioned above, broke the AL colour line. Satchel Paige shortly thereafter. I believe he brought in Minnie Miñoso as well.

SABR did a good job debunking this. Really, it kinda ruins Veeck As In Wreck for me. How much of the rest of the book is BS? I mean, I guess that's how Veeck became what he was, through hustling and smooth talking and promoting himself.

..you'd make a helluva Double Talker

why dont you make a 2nd part to this...holy Crap!...talk another 5 hours on this.., what did you say in this 19 minutes or so ? !!!!!

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Thanks for helping clear up the slanders against Landis.

Well if he did? Maybe the loser phillies would of won! What a horrible sports town....