Love the idea of the lube lasting so long between needing to reapply, then occurred that unless riding in a vacuum sealed room, the dust and dirt from riding couple of hundred k’s that will sit on the chain will presumably negate the gains to below the performance of a cleaned and re-lubed chain with cheaper dry lube? The advice made in the video appears is spot on - avoid having a dirty chain...

@paulbusby2013

2 жыл бұрын

I think the point is that waxing attracts far less grime anyway.

Thank you! Very informative and detailed testing :)

I just applied some to my YBN gold chain, used, about 0.5 on the wear gauge. Letting it drip dry until tomorrow. So cleaning is just wiping down and applying a bit more? What if a full degrease is needed? Does it have to be reapplied via the bag after?

GRAPHENlube is made in POland by the way. It will not last claimed 1800km, due to the weather factor. I use small bottle, (the large one its a waste anyway, because you need to wipe out excess of the lube from chain) and just apply on each chain link, ride few times, and re-apply and for at least 1000km don't have to worry about it.

You mentioned cleaning the new chain with white spirits, could you use a chain degreaser and get the same results?

@paulbusby2013

2 жыл бұрын

I can't cite the source (maybe Oz cycles?) but it was suggested that leaving chains overnight in certain powerful degreasers can effect the chain's steel. I'd use petrol then rinsing with water or IPA.

Great video. Any thoughts on pinion + belt combination? I'm gonna buy this @t bicycle. No lube, no dirt, no problems :D I'm really tired of how much money, time and effort is spent on rear derailleur drivetrain system! I assume pinion + belt will be a great combination!

Could be interesting to see the performance difference over time and especially on the road where dirt etc is involved. Perhaps not ride 3000km but certainly doing a test after a week of cycling and not cleaning or re-lubing the chain. You can buy two small bottles for £30 incl. delivery

That's snake oil mate

I think I would have tested again in reverse order. Maybe breaking the chain in and the series of stripping loosened the chain up.

@sebstott3573

4 жыл бұрын

That would be even better, but the gap between wax lube and graphene lube was bigger than the gap between the new chain and wax lube, which was the 4th lube tested. If the chain was just getting loosened up, you would expect the gaps to get smaller, so the test still suggests the graphene lube is better than wax.

Graphene is the invisible component that makes prices 10x more expensive. I have just opened a beer with graphene in it. Only 50 euro per glass

Any Updates? How long does the lube last (in real life) on the chain? How many kilometers do you have to wax after?

@roadcc

3 жыл бұрын

We have been planning an update video... Just getting some ducks in a row

10:05 20.4 seconds saved compared to a new chain on a 25km course at 250W For anyone who doesn't race I see no reason to spend the enormous amount of money for Graphenlube.

For that price, they should send over a technician to do the whole thing for me

I'm a downhill/ enduro rider and I feel like it's worth ever penny. I run Sram xx1 chains with absolute black ovals on all my bikes.

thank you good video

I'll keep with Oz Cycle's Hot Paraffin PTFE Wax method.... Miles cheaper!

@adamkerin4130

4 жыл бұрын

You shld read the doc in zfc website re the oz cycle test. For the record 50g ptfe per batch is nuts.

@duanelusted3535

4 жыл бұрын

@@adamkerin4130 never had an issue using his method. Saved me loads of money not buying overpriced lubes like this one, and also parts when they don't wear out as fast.... For the record, my one batch that cost me £28 to make has lasted 9 months so far after doing 300 mile recoats, and I do 300 miles around 4 weeks. With still plenty to go.... And this is the second batch from the original Paraffin Wax and Oil

@adamkerin4130

4 жыл бұрын

@@duanelusted3535 that's good, but still well behind a proper quality wax that is used in the likes of mspeedwax, and also the addition of paraffin oil ruins most of the key advantages of immersive waxing with a solid clean wax. So whilst you are definitely beating many lubes, you can still do much better for on balance no more expenditure

@Mrich775

4 жыл бұрын

@@adamkerin4130 speedwax user here, I've tried Oz and msw, I get much longer chain and wax longevity from msw, although the marginal differences elsewhere, ie efficiency, I can't tell the difference.

@adamkerin4130

4 жыл бұрын

@@Mrich775 no it wld take a pretty sensitive set of legs to do that. You won't tell if a lube is 1 or 3w faster, but what u will tell is the cleanliness and greater parts longevity (don't get me started on oz cycle test which had his blend as longer lasting, for details on the huge flaws in that test refer to document on zerofrictioncycling.com.au in instructions tab). Main thing I see all the time is by the time ppl get different ingredients delivered from different places, they are often at a similar price to msw, but using a much capper quality and dirtier wax, and also 50 grams ptfe per batch is hugely wasteful,beyond a small amount being added the rest just has nearly no impact, hence why race chains are dry powdered post wax break in vs just bunging more ptfe in the wax. It was tested and tested back in friction facts / ufo days. Oz cycle has no data nor way to assess so just went with a huge amount to be safe. There's facts, and then back yard guessing passed off as good testing. I know he seems like a nice guy trying to do a good thing by cyclists, but in the end he is adding to the huge amount of crap miss information ppl have to wade through before they might find proper information, and remember he gets paid more for more traffic hence the vastly increase views by having his wax supposedly beating msw (it doesnt in the real world when one re waxes with msw at correct intervals so chain isn't rusting.... Ffs...) and also the crack pot postulations re moly and corrosion... So yeah, its fine, but real facts and better products are well.... Better... And one is supporting facts great little companies making great products and not supporting more miss information clogging up you tube

what about chain life ? can we save on chains ? (and cassette and chainrings thanks to that)

@user-kt6ks3oq2h

Күн бұрын

That's my experience. I use this and the best chains money can buy... honestly I've never had my chains last this long and as a dirty downhiller my rides and washes are as brutal as it comes lol

How about more lubes? Silicone lubricant, teflon lubricant, mineral oil, lithium grease, etc. Also, try adding some water and dirt, see how they cope.

You soak a chain in lube. What when you want to re-lube it?? You have to remove the cassette and re-do the process all over again?

@awakenedbahamut2574

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah

Your application of Smoove was incorrect, you should watch the KZread video to apply it correctly 😉

Sticking to wax, you saved me a fortune

Do those efficiency savings translate to chain longevity extension also, or too many other factors in play?

@okapitech

3 жыл бұрын

I think that is a bigger reason for buying this stuff. Your drivetrain should last longer as there will be less friction on the components.

Interflon Fin Super vs Graphenlube?

@EatMyPropwash

3 жыл бұрын

Neither. Molten SpeedWax. Way cheaper than this crap, lasts longer, and won’t break the bank.

@PAULBROWN-jr7yq

3 жыл бұрын

@@EatMyPropwash that will only be good for 300 or so miles then you have to repeat application all over again. There is a reason why manufacturing industry with chains running faster, in high temperatures and with more abrasives use Interflon Dry Lubes. Bonus being that it is hydrophobic and does not wash out so easily.

Team INEOS could afford it for their riders but I can't. I don't see how a company could stay in business manufacturing such a high priced product that nobody is going to buy.

@franmcgowan4068

4 жыл бұрын

They make other products...

@GrayFox-xd9ww

3 жыл бұрын

Easy...absolute black makes best oval chain rings 👍🏽

Ufo drip for the win!!!

The wax lube was second best. How much cheaper is the wax lube. I have been using muc-off dry lube. I didn't know you could actually buy wax lube, i thought you had to make it. Looked too much effort.

@ABAC6969

4 жыл бұрын

I’ve started using Squirt wax lube... just apply on inside of clean a dry chain and let dry... won’t go back to using wet and dry lubes...

@chrisvanbuggenum871

4 жыл бұрын

@@ABAC6969 thanks!

@dcjacklin

3 жыл бұрын

Barney Rubble +1 for squirt

Just hot waxed my first chain, mainly to keep the drivetrain clean and it's actually not difficult once you've got a system. As I don't race, I'm most interested in the longevity of this lube (more out of interest, probably not going to cough up that!). Look forward to hearing how long it lasts.

@Mrich775

4 жыл бұрын

I've been using molten speed wax for a few years now, waxed monthly I no longer clean my training chains (the hot wax cleans them, race chains I do clean) and I've got about 5k km's on my main chain with tons of life left.

Yeah. Just dont take the bike with the Graphenlube out if its thunder storming outside. Your bike might get hit by lightning and catapult you back to the future.

Brilliant idea of a way to test. bravo.

Bath Merida?

@tomrachellesfirstdance7843

4 жыл бұрын

Must be the Ali express edition 😂

It's only £11.99 on there FB page so defo not worth £114.99.

@roadcc

4 жыл бұрын

Is that for the 14ml bottle?

Answer is no

Looks interesting, I'll stick to my hot waxing schedule myself though!

#road.cc you should know that majority of saving in this test came from chain wearing down!!! Can you redo this test in revers order??? It takes a couple hundred K's to get the best out it. Also new chain is oiled, not waxed. Did you buy all lubes or AB sent you some, if so should you say that this video includes paid promotion???

Answer NO. Just clean your chain regularly and lube with oil and then change your chain regularly. Its not rocket science. GBP114 buys at least 3 high quality chains.( ie Dura ace )

Use Silca , even better .

Try Revolubes. It does the same for a factor of the price and is transparent not black. Link: revolubes.co.uk

Thanks for the review, I've been wondering about that stuff since I first saw it. I would love to see a test of the efficiency of the various rear cogs. Put that chain back on the bike, cross chain big to big and go down from there on both a standard say 11-30 rear cassette and a sram 12 speed 10-30.

@DaveAtkinson

4 жыл бұрын

maybe we'll oblige you :-)

@robertwhyte3435

4 жыл бұрын

@@DaveAtkinson Thank you.

Paid for promotion?

@Mrich775

4 жыл бұрын

Obviously not as its not stated.

@matthew4900

4 жыл бұрын

Isn’t everything on this channel?!

@Mrich775

4 жыл бұрын

@@matthew4900 nope, but accusing a company of a crime is a real low thing to do with zero evidence.

@DaveAtkinson

4 жыл бұрын

it's not paid for, which is why it's not marked as paid for. hope that helps.

graphene is not special or expensive to produce, just google it and you can buy it buy the kg... this video is basically a paid promotion

@Mrich775

4 жыл бұрын

Paid promotions would be stated, go home troll.

@talonlan

4 жыл бұрын

Don't think it is, it really doesn't sell this lube over any other.

In a word, no.

If this is a paid promotion it needs to be declared, otherwise it breaks the KZread rules. If it's an advertisement it's misleading the viewer!

@Mrich775

4 жыл бұрын

Go home troll.

@glideman

4 жыл бұрын

@@Mrich775 you something to do with this rip off product?

@Mrich775

4 жыл бұрын

@@glideman nope, but baseless accusations of crimes is a scummy thing to do.

@talonlan

4 жыл бұрын

Highly doubt it as he says in a lot of instances it's not worth it. If it was a promotion it would be a lot more positive

@DaveAtkinson

4 жыл бұрын

it's not. we are aware of the position of the checkbox to make that clear, as you'll be able to tell from the paid videos we do

What's this "lube" word? It's oil ffs.

scammers