Superb test. I appreciate the effort that went into this.

How about doing the same test with less expensive lubes so we can see if the extra cost of the expensive ones provides any additional benefit?

@joebloggsgogglebox

3 жыл бұрын

a comparison with home made chain wax using paraffin candles would be good

Excellent work!

Excellent work, friends. Putting the scientific method to good use.

Excellent testing

Nice video. Thank you. Would you recommend Graphenlube for mountain bikes ,given all the dirt and mud they are subject to?

I'm very happy with the Ceramicspeed UFO! And I don't care much about the powersaving because what you don't tell here is that a good liquid wax is also longer lasting and easier to maintain than a normal lube!

@Danielkuota1

3 жыл бұрын

How do you clean the chain after use!? Does the jockey wheels gets full of wax!? I tried the squirt and I hated was wax lumbs everywhere when start pedalling on the next day application and to clean the other components was terrible. I had to use a hot water to melt all the wax

@ThePaulKat

3 жыл бұрын

@@Danielkuota1 Revolube when applied correctly stays extremely clean with zero spill onto jockey wheels. Very easy to clean and relube also, normally I relube after 300 miles as a precaution but its apparently good for 500miles per application. Excellent in poor weather also.

@KoenMiseur

3 жыл бұрын

@@Danielkuota1 because of the lumbs I find it much easier to remove it. Also I have jockeywheels from KCNC they have much more space so the wax doesn't stay on it and it's easier to clean!

Real q. In UK winter, my bike gets a full clean every ride. So chain gets new lube every ride. So are these more expensive waxes / lubes more appropriate for fair weather riding where that bike gets cleaned..... less frequently? Thanks, excellent and informative video

Thanks for this. Silca Synergetic also making grand claims. Worth a test?

I have been using Revolube over the winter and I am extremely impressed. Nothing sticks to it, leaving both drive train and chain spotless. Yes, it can be a faff to set up first time, but awesome when done. I have used both Paraffin wax and Squirt previously, but this now my go to. It filthy British weather, this comes out tops....

@ThePaulKat

3 жыл бұрын

Ditto been using Revolube for over a year and it is superb. Still can't record any measurable wear on one chain that has done 1000 miles.

@darrengarvie8832

3 жыл бұрын

So how clean is you chain after 100km I'm fed up with my black chain, I've tried hot waxing it is a complete nightmare to do and you really would need 3 chains going at one time.

@darrenhitchcox6345

3 жыл бұрын

@@darrengarvie8832 Remember Revolubes has a carrier oil that needs to be cleaned off after application. That will most likely be your back stuff. My chain is sparkly silver after hundreds of mucky miles

@darrengarvie8832

3 жыл бұрын

@@darrenhitchcox6345 do you put it on over night then clean off the residue in the morning?

@darrenhitchcox6345

3 жыл бұрын

@@darrengarvie8832 Yea, you have to clean the carrier oil off with soapy water. The lubrication is not the oil, it is the deposit it leaves behind.......bit like hard water I suppose

I would like to see the raw data and methodology used to calculate things like: "normalized to everything at 250W" and the +/- 2% margin of error. I was taught very strictly in my engineering studies that when there is a margin of error in your source of measurement, there must be accompanying error bars on the final results! For example, it's reported that the losses of UFO and Graphenlube are ~7W and 5.3W. Since both power meters are +/-2%, this means that both of them are +/-5W (if the reported power is 250W). If I've understood correctly, this means the results presented are inside the margin of error of both devices, and thus and we cannot say anything significant from this experiment. Imagine the Rotor reads 5W lower than the ground truth, and the Neo reads 4W higher. Without accounting for sources of error, the chain looks 9W more efficient than it actually is.

Would be good to compare against a 'value' lube

@pigeonpoo1823

3 жыл бұрын

Or olive oil

Well. Thanks for that! Revolubes works like a magic You cannot see it But its IN the metal itself! Amazing. I guess the other two are great too- you cant go wrong here... Also silca sscl, trutension tungsten , and just parafin wax are great- all are smooth, fast and clean! Strangely, after all this corona incident, Sometimes i feel that riding my bikes is only excuse to lube my chain .. 😉

Why lube the outside of the chain? Its the inside you should be lubing. The contacts between chain and sprockets

I’d be keen to see those lube against a few others - 1) wax bathed chain with a home mix parafin 2) a wax bathed chain with the graphemes hot wax and 3) a cheaper LUBE like Muc off C3 Excellent test though and eye opening

@richardggeorge

3 жыл бұрын

Pure food grade paraffin is perfect

@sydneydowd8969

3 жыл бұрын

Love me some muc off c3!

I bought 5kg of food grade paraffin wax for aud$25. ~95% as good as the most expensive lubes according to Friction Facts reports and very cheap. My chain wear has plummeted too, no black grease and I degrease with boiling water and wipe with rag

@88997799

2 жыл бұрын

Add to wax if ya want. If you haven’t heard or tried it yet… Use Nano-oil… kzread.info/dash/bejne/pK6K25aoqNK6daQ.html

Great work, thanks for that. But you really should test the lubes from silca. That stuff is amazing. And not that expensive.

Watt oil do the pro's use?

What about Silca silca silca?? The new old boy on the block by Josh Peortner, how does it compare to these guys

He didn't report the standard errors, so we don't know if the reported differences are statistically significant

So thats how you are beating me on Zwift!😉

Wait at 5:42 don't they advise to apply the lube on each link on the side that actually rubs on the chainring and cogs, instead of outside of it? Not sure if it has a huge performance effect, but it should reduce excess lube 💸💸💸

Great video, be interesting to know your views on Tungsten banana slip lube

@roadcc

3 жыл бұрын

We've literally just bought some after reading this comment. Anything bad that happens from this point will directly be your fault 🤣

@smallhatshatethetruth7933

3 жыл бұрын

I thought you were talking about a joke product with a name like that lol

@roadcc

3 жыл бұрын

At first, I thought the comments section winding me up but apparently not! We can confirm that it smells like bananas - Matt (admin)

@ozzz3365

3 жыл бұрын

Its one of the best ive tried. Honestly its the only one that made me not thinking on lubes when riding.

What was also proven here was that submerging a chain in your chosen lube is better than dripping it on roller by roller. My guess would be that both UFO and Revolube would perform a little better using the same application technique as AB.

@roadcc

2 жыл бұрын

it's possible, although both are very keen to point out the correct way of doing it for their lube...

If the accauracy of the measurment is within +/-2% then everything within this region is simply pure imagination. I cant't comprehend where you took that inaccuracy into account.

I am enjoying the graphenwax, much cheaper than the lube, and very smooth for 300 miles between recoat.

@DaveAtkinson

3 жыл бұрын

graphenwax is next up :-)

@simonjones3914

3 жыл бұрын

I tried it and it fell off after 40 miles! Tried a number of cleaning procedures and it just never lasts! Squealing after 40 miles. I’d be interested to hear what mileage you get out of it mileage wise as well as efficiency

@AbsoluteblackCc

3 жыл бұрын

Hi @@simonjones3914 It seems there is an issue with application. Our wax lasts easily 300-400km in dry conditions. So please contact us directly and we will help you out solving this issue.

@simonjones3914

3 жыл бұрын

@@AbsoluteblackCc Hi, I have been in contact a couple of times and Stan has always been helpful and polite. I have kinda given up, but I’d be willing to try again if he has any further suggestions. I do want this to work.

@LKal564

3 жыл бұрын

I have the same problem like Simon Jones with the graphenwax. I followed the guide on the website, but I just doesnt work. Now i bought molten speed wax and it is a lot better. I even cleaned the chains following Zero Friction's guide.

I use purple extreme, so much less messy then wet lubes!!!

did you pay the youtube oligarchs to be the first result when typing ufo or are you just lucky

@roadcc

3 жыл бұрын

Sometimes it is better to be lucky than good 😂

Squirt FTW

Over 7k miles on a chain using only revolube. Keep measuring wear...keep riding the same chain!

"in case you're wondering, no we were not sponsored"... 10 seconds later: *Dave reading Graphenelube blurb very sarcastically off a hastily printed piece of paper*

Ha ha ha! indoor trainer! What about the real world of dust, mud & gravel, which lube works and which doesn't?

Since me other comment got deleted I will just say this, I ain't dumb enough to waste my money on expensive chain lube.

Zfc, ifykyk

Hmmmmm

@Penalist

3 жыл бұрын

Please only write something after you have made up your mind what you want to write. Unless this is the best what you could think of, which is not very good.

@roadcc

3 жыл бұрын

Hmmmm 🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔