Investigating the Octopus Murders | An American Conspiracy | The Last Days of Danny Casolaro
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From the 1980 October Surprise, 1985-87 Iran-Contra Affair, and 1986-91 BCCI scandal, the decade seemed only to be going downhill. And in the midst of it all, the US Justice Department was accused of stealing PROMIS, a piece of software that could be used to create a programme that would allow the US government to spy on whomever used it.
Danny Casolaro was a writer, poet, and investigative journalist. At the start of the 1990s, he began exploring what had happened to PROMIS, and it led him to see the theft of this software as being at the heart of America’s other major scandals. Before he could finish his investigation, however, Danny was found dead in a hotel bathtub, with both his wrists slashed.
Did he kill himself, as the police believed, or was he murdered?
That is the question at the heart of American Conspiracy: The Octopus Murders, a new docu-series on Netflix, directed by Zachary Treitz. He and co-executive producer Christian Hansen are Matthew Sherwood’s guests in this episode of Factual America. Together, they discuss what they found as they retraced Danny Casolaro’s footsteps in the last days of his life and what it was like for Zachary watching Christian disappear down a conspiracy rabbit hole before he himself followed him.
In the process Zachary and Christian uncover a murky web of scandal at the heart of American government. Or do they? Which of the incredible stories of Michael Riconosciuto, one of Danny’s major sources, and others can ultimately be believed? The filmmakers race around the country to interview subjects and get to the root of the story - all with the support and patience given to them by Netflix in the making of the series.
American Conspiracy: The Octopus Murders takes a deep dive into the darkest corners of American business and politics. Make sense of it with Zachary and Christian in conversation with Matthew Sherwood.
“Once you dip your toes into [this story] it's almost like a tar... some sort of magic ooze that kind of gets into you, as soon as you touch it. It's like what they say about the abyss... you stare into it and it stares back. This is that story. You touch it and it touches you and it kind of consumes you.” - Zachary Treitz
Resources:
American Conspiracy: The Octopus Murders www.netflix.com/title/81168725
MovieMaker Magazine www.moviemaker.com/
Innersound Audio www.innersoundaudio.co.uk/
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IMDb www.imdb.com/name/nm9584683
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Kenn Thomas wrote the first book on Danny Casolaro and Kenn Thomas worked at University of Missouri-St. Louis Archives. That's why the Netflix doc GOES to the Missouri archives to get the Danny Casolaro research papers. Too bad Kenn Thomas didn't get thanked at the end of the Netflix doc. Kenn Thomas passed on last year! I corresponded with him via email off and on over 20 years.
@deborahfay102
4 ай бұрын
How interesting!
@toobalkain
4 ай бұрын
interesting, so what was his final take on the whole thing?
@writeralbertlanier3434
4 ай бұрын
I haven't seen the docuseries but I was told the other day by someone who saw it that Kenn Thomas wasn't cited or mentioned. If this is true then it's wrong on their part. In my recent article on the Octopus, I credit Thomas and cite his article on Casolaro & octopus for the Disinformation website. I can't say I'm surprised though
@voidisyinyangvoidisyinyang885
4 ай бұрын
@@writeralbertlanier3434thanks - turns out Kenn Thomas was citing Cheri Seymour in Thomas' book - yet for some reason misspelled her first name! Strange. Not just misspelled it but got it wrong. Anyway Trineday, the publisher of Cheri Seymour, just did a new podcast interview with Cheri Seymour and the two filmmakers of the Netflix American Conspiracy. So they really were relying on Cheri Seymour. She mentions in another radio interview how she also went to the University of Missouri archives to get Danny's research notes - yet again NO mention of Kenn Thomas! So yes I think there was some competitive turf dynamics going on. Let's face it - there's only a few conspiracy "publishers" - and it's a small "market" for "sales." hahaha. Cheri Seymour's first book was self-published. So I can see why she would be very protective of her research. So yeah Kenn Thomas unjustly got left out - but I think that maybe started with Cheri Seymour and it was just repeated by the Netflix film makers who relied on Cheri as their main source... I should see if Cheri's book cites Kenn Thomas at all.
@writeralbertlanier3434
4 ай бұрын
@voidisyinyangvoidisyinyang885 The impression l get is that the filmmakers of the docuseries are pretty much ignoring anyone else who actually researched, looked into and did the work on this subject before their doc. I researched Inslaw, Promis and Danny in 2010. I was interviewed on a podcast in March of 2010 called Media Monarchy about this for 2 1/2 hours. I gather this was before both the guys behind the Netflix doc got on to this. It strikes me as a way for them to colonize and appropriate Casolaro/ octopus/ Promis for themselves The fact that Kenn Thomas as well as his co writer Jim.Keith who came out with a book.about Danny and the Octopus in the 1990s are rendered invisible lends support to this. It's the kiss off for those of us who examined this previously I guess.
The police officer who found the reporter said the tendons in both arms had been cut about eight times, so deep that the hands could barely hold on. The reporter could cut all the tendons on one hand, but he would not be able to cut the second hand, because it is impossible to hold anything in the hand with the tendons cut. It couldn't be suicide.
@dianna266
3 ай бұрын
Absolutely. This right here is the biggest reason to suspect murder. It is so apparent. Somehow they don’t question this.
@PA_Cheddar
3 ай бұрын
I totally agree but they insist to not address the FACT !
@mikiesnaxx4604
3 ай бұрын
A LOt of whistleblowers are “Suicided” and A LOt of high profile HITS. member the Coroner is the only one with the power to make certain there will be No Investigation. Unless the family hires a Private Investigator & can afford a Private Autopsy which very few victims can.
@Roylamx
3 ай бұрын
@@dianna266 They were bribed.
@dianna266
3 ай бұрын
@@Roylamx I agree. Paid off. Nobody can be that stupid.
As for the documentary, I don't think it was a random meeting of Joe Cuellar. Not random, not a coincidence. He was sent there to meet Casolaro. The composite sketch looks so much like him.
@FactualAmericaPodcast
4 ай бұрын
Good point!
@lmannix
4 ай бұрын
I thought it looked like Cuellar as well...
@Bodletrille
4 ай бұрын
That Casolaro approached Cuellar first to me shows they knew enough about Danny to entice him. I'm sure Cuellar did it.
@TheMinoom
4 ай бұрын
These were my exact thoughts too.
@STUDIOSTEPS_motion
4 ай бұрын
His nose and eyes.
This Documentary is the most impressive piece of Journalism I've seen in a long while. Going for a re-watch!
@FactualAmericaPodcast
3 ай бұрын
Happy to hear you enjoyed - thanks for watching!
@kashsethi6687
3 ай бұрын
I've been going down the rabbithole since I watched the series last night! Already shared it to all my friends and family.
@John-ef9np
3 ай бұрын
No it wasn't if it was they would of knew the guy committed suicide all of them
Gary Webb...Michael Hastings
@mckernan603
4 ай бұрын
or, in the theme of protecting killer informants: possibly the 2011 Waltham murderers
@randyintl3889
4 ай бұрын
Where can I find more research on Michael Hastings death
@keyboard-commentator
3 ай бұрын
when i heard about this, i thought it was gonna be about webb. i wish it woulda been, that'd be a great doc as well.
@42ohboy3
3 ай бұрын
@@randyintl3889good luck
@CARLIN4737
Ай бұрын
yep
The documentary was fantastic. True mastery of an infinitely complex conspiracy. These guys are next level. Had me on the edge of my seat the whole time. I love the ending how he realizes everyone is essentially pretty mentally ill. Doesn't mean it didn't happen. Truly brilliant filmmakers. Zack and Christian should be very proud of this release.
@FactualAmericaPodcast
4 ай бұрын
Thanks for the support, happy to hear you enjoyed!
@frederickmiles8815
3 ай бұрын
Love your content - could you by any chance ask the film makers to get Michael Riconosciuto on Shawn Ryan or JREs podcast? Especially Shawn's given his background, thanks. @@FactualAmericaPodcast
@lets-getbrandon4192
3 ай бұрын
I can’t help wondering if it’s a self preservation tactic. Their way of saying we really don’t believe any of this BS even though they probably do.
@jeffreywentzell9803
3 ай бұрын
@@lets-getbrandon4192 Yeah it seems ppl who knew of this case before aren't that happy. Ppl who learned for the first time think its wonderful. It certainly appears to me to do a great job of discrediting Danny and make it seem a lot more plausible than he just went crazy and bashed himself on the head and arm and cut him self 8 times on 1 arm through tendons and 4 times on the other and put a plastic bag over his head and then sprayed blood all over the walls. I'm pretty sure they don't even mention the bruise on his head in this
@keyboard-commentator
3 ай бұрын
@@jeffreywentzell9803 i kept wondering about that too, why did they gloss over the fact that its impossible to kill yourself that way, well at least according to the first episode. i wonder if they were just worried about their lives and wanted to end it more open ended.
My only question with all of this is why didn’t they just kill off the Hamiltons from the beginning and take the software that way? Danny would’ve never got involved had William not sued the DOJ in the first place and even after they sued, why didn’t they just pay the 6.8 million to make it go away? What if and just hear me out. What if the Hamiltons created the trap door from the beginning and found out that the DOJ was making way more money off of it than them and they sued? At that point the DOJ can’t kill them because they’re the only ones who can create the trap doors and they can’t settle in court because then they’d be admitting they did what William said they were doing. So instead they recruit Michael to make his own trap doors and just wait out the Hamiltons in court, which obviously worked. Idk man none of it makes sense. Like why is Micheal still alive?!! They can easily get to him in prison to kill him especially 30 years ago. Why keep a guy that knows that much alive? Idk….I’m taking my tin foil hat off now 😂😂
@FactualAmericaPodcast
4 ай бұрын
Good point - thanks for your comment!
@TheDarknessOfGames
3 ай бұрын
Remember who mikes father is. Should answer your question. But regards to bill I think you’re absolutely onto something.
Loved the documentary and this interview.
@FactualAmericaPodcast
4 ай бұрын
So glad you enjoyed it - thanks for watching!
I went and watched and was amazed! Great watch! Im always looking for a good docuseries !
@FactualAmericaPodcast
3 ай бұрын
Glad you enjoyed! Thanks for your comments!
I like the doc but they leave it so “you might be a little crazy if you believe Danny didn’t killed himself”. Am I the only one? This stuff happened and people weren’t held accountable.
@MasonGoodwin-es4cp
3 ай бұрын
I think what they were going for at the end was that if one becomes to attached to a conspiracy they shouldn’t let it become their entire personality and consume their life. Although, I don’t think they were trying to make us feel crazy for the thinking Danny was murdered because they present an overwhelming amount of evidence that he was. In other words, it’s okay to find connections between a conspiracy (because in this case there definitely are connections) but don’t let it become all you think about.
@cb3648
3 ай бұрын
@@MasonGoodwin-es4cp Plus from what I saw on another podcast, they emphasize that Danny may have killed himself, but he did uncover stuff that really illustrates a larger theme, the privatization of national security/intelligence and it's ramifications.
@ileanahernandez1709
3 ай бұрын
He didn't kill himself.
@MasonGoodwin-es4cp
3 ай бұрын
@@ileanahernandez1709 I agree
The story becomes that these two see beyond the conspiracies and though it is fascinating the way they stand up at the end is truly remarkable and inspiring. Thanks guys!
@FactualAmericaPodcast
4 ай бұрын
Glad you enjoyed - thanks for watching!
R.I.P. TO MR. DANNY CASOLARO. GETTING CLOSE TO THE TRUTH ! ONE'S LIFE SNUFFED ! FROM, U.K. (2024).
@FactualAmericaPodcast
3 ай бұрын
Thank you for your comment
Great journalism by all parties involved thanks for sharing this information
@FactualAmericaPodcast
2 ай бұрын
Much appreciated - thanks so much for watching!
I watched this today & it was mind blowing to say the least. Waiting on season 2.
In the USA, there are 4 ‘official’ independent branches of government. Over time, the National Security State has not been held in ‘check’ by the other three branches of government. In 1889, the US Congress - by one vote - formed a second collateral government: the National Security State: A fourth Branch of Government! The primary objective of the unelected National Security State is to influence - both overtly and covertly - world nations, (some might refer to this as world hegemony). Shortly thereafter, the Supreme Court affirmed or ratified its formation (vote 5-4). Ironically, the Chief Justice on that case forged the PLESSY. v. FERGUSON case - a case that essentially said some people are more valuable, more protected, and have more rights than others. Therefore, it was not a large stretch for this Chief Justice in this case to concede that some countries were worth more than others. Over the years, the democratically elected government has always deferred to the National Security State. So, when investigating the Contra Cocaine Train, the National Security State overruled prosecution. Same for the matters of Epstein/Maxwell (making available the many black books hard drives and government run pedophile train); etc. When pertinent questions are asked in a Senate hearing the National Security State shuts down the query by invoking COG (Continuity of Government). You can see this time and time again beginning during the Contra Cocaine Train inquires by the Senate. The founding fathers were earnest in saying that the USA should trade with all, but never to entangle itself in the political or military business of other nations. By the late 1890s however, elements of the country fought to form the National Security State whose intention was imperialism: which is to have wars all over the globe for profit. An anti-imperialist league of many powerful men attempted to fight them. But big banks greased the wheels of the legislatures and Supreme Court and that was that...! Even Mark Twain spoke out against it. Soon the USA had its armies around the world stealing on behalf of the Brown Banking Brothers, later Untied Fruit Company, Preston Bush's bank, and so on.
@oldtimedrumcorps
4 ай бұрын
Very well said . Isnt it frustrating to see the brainwashing of fellow Americans to the reality of life . I gave them examples an extremely short list but well known JFK lone gunman Zapruder Bush : Bay of Pigs Vietnam Gulf of Tonkin, RFK control . WTC Dustified Boxcutters , PNAC Ramsey Clark , WMDs Imminent danger Epstein murder, etc etc nope, nothing to see here .move along I'll see you more untested vaccines . the Kool aid is delicious . the stupidity overwhelming
@FactualAmericaPodcast
4 ай бұрын
Thank you so much for your comment!
@jodybeskinirutherfordcoanimal
4 ай бұрын
@sugarpuddin, you have amazing wisdom into the "other" dark sides of all these guys "who golf together". McAfee is another story to be covered.
@sugarpuddin
4 ай бұрын
@@jodybeskinirutherfordcoanimal I am extremely grateful for your compliment. So what is the solution? My mother was a fighter. I was a fighter... What uselessness that turned out to be. I finally voted with my feet and left the USA all together. Best decision of my life. Peace and blessings from Nature Island
@Roylamx
3 ай бұрын
@@sugarpuddin The only solution is to return America to the Constitutional republic it was designed to be,, if we don't restore the checks & balances or we are going into a very dark night of enslavement by the Collectivist Cabal. GE Griffin points out how deep the Conspiracy for World Government goes, as did Myron Fagan in the 1960's.
Has anyone ever evaluated the note left by Danny? If it's his own handwriting? Is there a possibility that the note was forged?
@FactualAmericaPodcast
4 ай бұрын
Interesting point - thank you for your comment!
@temple134
2 ай бұрын
That’s exactly what I said there’s so many things to this
@johndunlavey8927
2 ай бұрын
that's exactly what I was thinking
I've a copy of Dark Alliance which I read way back when. Used copy's are going for a hundred bucks. It's important not to forget Danny Casolaro . Thanks for keeping the subject Alive.
@FactualAmericaPodcast
2 ай бұрын
Thank you so much for watching - and for your comment
Just watched Netflix show on this def very interesting & it wouldn’t surprise me if most of it was true or def had kernels of truth in most of it. Thanks 4 making the video & gods bless every1.
@FactualAmericaPodcast
4 ай бұрын
Happy to hear you enjoyed - thanks so much for watching & commenting!
Great doc! Miss those old school Machiavellian shadow people
@FactualAmericaPodcast
4 ай бұрын
Glad you enjoyed - thanks for your comment!
I would have like to see some tougher questions about Cuellar, what the consensus was among the journalists interviewed in documentary about whether Danny was murdered or commiteed suicide. Would have been great to go deeper on Nichols. Overall good interview and documentary.
@FactualAmericaPodcast
4 ай бұрын
Glad you enjoyed! Thanks for watching!
I want a BCCI documentary
@tonybosen701
4 ай бұрын
Netflix has a great documentary on it
I just finished watching The Netflix doc great work i must say. However i feel like Danny will never get justice due to the complexity in nature of this case. Unless someone a whistle blower from the government within expose something related to this scandal any trial in judiciary will only result in more deaths of lead investigators. RIP Danny we appreciate your bravery.
@FactualAmericaPodcast
3 ай бұрын
Good point...thank you for watching and commenting
How did they not get another independent autopsy? Think of this. Multiple deep cuts are made into your arm near the wrist. How can you now pick up the razor blade with that hand on the injured side and make deep cuts on your other arm? This does not make sense at all.
@mikiesnaxx4604
3 ай бұрын
glow doc
@MouseRata
3 ай бұрын
He was embalmed right after the autopsy without the family’s knowledge or permission. Even if they did a second autopsy it wouldn’t be accurate because of the embalming. Danny’s brother talks about it as well.
@FactualAmericaPodcast
3 ай бұрын
Great point!
Dave Emory was talking about this on KFJC-FM in the bay area back the mid 80s
@FactualAmericaPodcast
3 ай бұрын
Thanks for your comment!
This has been the most interesting story to me for at least 20 years
@FactualAmericaPodcast
2 ай бұрын
Thank you for your comment
A lot more of people getting killed these days too. The journalist in Ukraine and the dude that just retired from Boeing and was a whistleblower.
@FactualAmericaPodcast
3 ай бұрын
Good addition...thank you for your comment!
What is the sound at 35:53 / 35:54? It sounds strange.
@Lifeagooner
4 ай бұрын
He has a parrot or something
This is a well-made documentary on an objectively interesting topic. As several reviewers have already alluded to, there are a suspicious amount of extremely low scores on IMDB here that tell their own story. The core accusation is that the American government seized on an opportunity to gain an advantage over their rivals via an emergent technology. To me, this is a perfectly plausible scenario. And I’m not here to cast judgement on the legality or morality of subsequent events. Purely looking at it from a self-preservation perspective, what’s most likely to have occurred here is quite a smart move from the American government. And this kind of manoeuvre is something that many governments around the world would be happy to try their hand at if given the opportunity. All governments would be prepared to bend the rules a bit if they think they can improve the prospects of their own citizens. That’s just a fact of life. But for me, the clear elephant in the room is the circumstance of Danny Casolaro’s death. Anyone with more than half a brain cell can see that Casolaro did not commit suicide of his own volition. The shortcomings in the investigation into his death are simply laughable. The witness statements of a separate individual with brown hair entering his room on the night of his death. The fact that one of the chief suspects provided two significantly different alibis that was then never questioned. You don’t have to be Albert Einstein to work out what’s gone on here. Over time it seems that many of the individuals involved in this debacle have slowly passed away. As a result, it’s starting to become slightly less important if the truth outs. Twenty years ago, I think the stakes were a lot higher, and that’s why some of the people involved mysteriously went missing or conveniently died. But for the remaining individuals who are still embroiled in this cover-up, the tactics have had to change. If the documentary maker somehow died on this occasion, it would just be too blatant. So we are now in a situation where they’ve had to allow this documentary to be produced, but they will instead try to undermine its credibility. And on a completely unrelated note, I’d like to draw your attention back to the suspiciously low review scores I initially mentioned.
Makes me wonder how much software we were creating in highschool in the 80's. We worked in DOS creating code and a ton of data processing. Out of nowhere a computer lab showed up with 15 to 20 computers. It was life changing when HTML came out. Especially for trap doors. Why we were coding trap doors in highschool computer labs, I don't know.
@FactualAmericaPodcast
3 ай бұрын
Great point!
Nust watched the last episode. My copy of the book is still sealed/unread (ran off the whole thing at the library). Getting the book way back when was a mini conspiracy in itself. Somebody didn't want the book being read. The documentary added info from the book and at least keeps the story alive. I'm sure "they" hate that.
@FactualAmericaPodcast
4 ай бұрын
Well said. Thanks for your comment!
Interview Douglas Valentine if you want firsthand info on CIA drug smuggling
@FactualAmericaPodcast
4 ай бұрын
Thank you for your comments!
@joncarlyle7260
3 ай бұрын
Is he still alive?
@voidisyinyangvoidisyinyang885
3 ай бұрын
@@joncarlyle7260last I checked yet - Douglas Valentine has recent interviews on youtube about his "Pisces Moon" book - it's newly published and an awesome read! First-hand testimony of his personal interviews with CIA drug smugglers living in IndoChina. Douglas Valentine had written this military memoir about his dad in WWII - and somehow Douglas Valentine befriended a high level CIA officer - and thus Douglas Valentine wrote books on Operation Phoenix with the CIA hoping to clear their "conscience" so to speak. This further lead to Douglas Valentine getting this CIA drug smuggling connections.
I used to own the Octopus book. Many of the dots didnt really connect. Undoubtedly he met some very shady people
@FactualAmericaPodcast
4 ай бұрын
Great point...thanks for watching and commenting!
@mariaangelova8275
4 ай бұрын
Honestly, it seems like you look into something long enough, a person can make all kinds of connections. Doesn't make it true.
The part about hostages in Iran is garbage. Jimmy Carter was the worst president we ever had and there was no way he would win reelection.
@diego81990
3 ай бұрын
Still strange they were released within hours…
waw i arrived to Usa for studyng english sep 1991 in Phili and no idea about this case!!!!!!!!!!!! i cant believe it, i didnt watch tv, i was in a homestay so thats why i didnt know it!!! propably on tv they were talking about this case all the time! i am in shock!
@FactualAmericaPodcast
3 ай бұрын
Thanks for watching!
I wanna know Joe Cuellars involvement in all of this
@mckernan603
4 ай бұрын
They talked to his son, must be dead right
@jeffreywentzell9803
3 ай бұрын
He's on Facebook his profile pic is a parrot
I have to wonder how this is allowed to be discussed in the open. Surely there is danger even now, I would think.
@marvinhagler4721
2 ай бұрын
Absolutely
If you don't think its a organization of people that's above the law, you are crazy fr. We see it in a small level with the police use your imagination
@FactualAmericaPodcast
Ай бұрын
Well stated - thank you for your comments
anybody know where he got that sweater?
@StephenFlickner
3 ай бұрын
@factualamericanpodcast
We need Whitney Webb on the scene !
@FactualAmericaPodcast
3 ай бұрын
Great addition!
Did you listen to Michael? What did he sayyy?
Great documentary. How crazy it was that while I was watching this, I realized that I dated one of these guys and am glad I was not with them for long!
@FactualAmericaPodcast
4 ай бұрын
Wow! Thanks for sharing - and for watching!
@showtime951
4 ай бұрын
Which one?
@jaythorley3434
4 ай бұрын
Can I contact you please
Also what happened to Seth Rich!!
The octopus.... hmmm Hydra from marvel
@tobylarr8789
4 ай бұрын
I was thinking Spectre from the Bond movies 😂
@deeayeveeeyees
4 ай бұрын
the books and movies have been trying to tell us all along 😂
Kind of amazing to see what passes for awesome work. I enjoyed the series, it was entertaining. That's where it ends. Awesome story, great entertainment, doesn't prove anything, doesn't solve anything, doesn't separate fact from disimformation. You can't tell me what PROMIS actually did, and while arpanet had some international connections from 1969, none of that detasil is explained. It is a wide spreading conspiracy from the murder of JFK to Chemical Weapons, to the drug trade? Connecting some disparate dots while never explaining what PROMIS actually did. Answer this, what connections did PROMIS actually make in a time of an extremely limited digital archive? It would be entirely more believeable if you answered the original question the series actually asked. The records referenced in the entire series are paper files, how exactly did early 1980's pre-internet connect those things together? Again I enjoyed the story, but that is what it is, a story.
@diego81990
3 ай бұрын
Was also hoping to have some clear overview with what facts and what’s not…
Danny was caught up and a real life movie
Just watched 2 of them. It had a lot going on. Reminded me of the documentary about zero point energy. All these people just wind up suicided
@GrNch-pt6mi
4 ай бұрын
I don't believe he committed suicide due to the circumstances involved and the death threats he had already received. I watched all the episodes and I remember him telling his brother that he
@GrNch-pt6mi
4 ай бұрын
If something happened it would be a lie remember if in this world nothing is what it seems
They are called Gray Space Operators
@frederickmiles8815
3 ай бұрын
You ever hear of the Black Army?
Does anyone know what Robert Booth Nichols showed Michael Riconosciuto in Alice Springs, Australia that disgusted him so much that he wanted nothing to do with Nichols? I am guessing it was the Pine Hills installation - but I am curious as to what disgusted Michael so much (capabilities, experiments, etc)?
@mattgilbert7347
4 ай бұрын
You mean Pine Gap?
@frederickmiles8815
4 ай бұрын
Yes - his knowledge also of CHIPS and SWIFT in relation to global liquidity movement was also super impressive if you read the manuscript called 'The Circle' which I think this doc was partially based on. And the game as they call it is an information one, meaning there is truth in why he fell out with Nichols and I am guessing its tied to the narrative concerning location. Also Nichols seemed interested in getting folks to travel - would like to know if Pine Gap was on the itinerary. As a former 35D - that spot was a NSA spot with massive headcount - associated with info risk, curious as to what else they got up to in relation to cut outs and 'the company'. @@mattgilbert7347
@frederickmiles8815
3 ай бұрын
My reply was removed - but yes, would love to know what bothered him so much, as many of us with intel backgrounds know of the location (no direct knowledge). @@mattgilbert7347
@frederickmiles8815
3 ай бұрын
Yes @@mattgilbert7347
@jeffreywentzell9803
3 ай бұрын
Who knows and who cares? I mean if you're on the Riconosciuto truth train I think you might never get off. It was disgusting how much time they focused on him in this series
So did Danny slash up his arms with bag on his head or not?
Where did mosaad come into this story ? How come no mention of their involvement.
Did Kenn Thomas die of old age, was he hung on a door knob, or suicided in some other way?
So the illumanti?
Spectre!
The fact that BOTH these guys are still alive kinda ruins the whole doc. Also Christian said they never even got threatened. It seems to me like if there is a secret evil organization that they would do something when a Netflix documentary is filming. They allegedly took out a guy who couldn't even get published but they'll let these guys air this all on Netflix?
@diego81990
3 ай бұрын
Different times I guess. The ‘informants’ are still playing playing a good game between leads and bullsh*t.
The part about the JFK assassination is a trip
It's all about to come out. People are gonna need to find a conspiracy person to explain it all. 😂
@FactualAmericaPodcast
4 ай бұрын
Thanks for watching!
Why doesnt Danny have a trove of computer write-ups?
I really dislike the word “conspiracy “ because over the past 35 years that I’ve researched stuff I’ve found it more to be true then flight of fancy from paranoid people.
@FactualAmericaPodcast
2 ай бұрын
Good point
Christian looks quite a bit like Jeff Tweedy.
For those in the know - Michael's relationship to "Anita" is extremely dubious. And you'd be a fool to think his release from jail and the production of this documentary is co-incidental.
John Foster Dulles son converted to Catholicism and became a priest. The brothers were very Waspy and John was not pleased about his son's choice, from what I understand.
@FactualAmericaPodcast
4 ай бұрын
Thank you for your addition!
Rip Danny ❤
@FactualAmericaPodcast
2 ай бұрын
Thank you for your comment
Christian does look alot like Danny !
Definitely made me think if Garey Webb , difference is Garey Webb exposed as soon as he got the information.
@FactualAmericaPodcast
Ай бұрын
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Rocha said this was good..Knicks vs pacer 😂
Two words: Israeli Intelligence.
@showtime951
4 ай бұрын
B-I-N-G-O
@GrNch-pt6mi
4 ай бұрын
If so, did they kill Danny?
Who really killed Chondra Levy!
@FactualAmericaPodcast
3 ай бұрын
Good questions...thanks for your comments!
There is one part of the octopus that went under the radar....the Bluegrass Conspiracy
I wanted to like the doc but couldn't get through tbe first episode. I love true crime, investigativd journalism and salacious news, but this was so dry.
But people trust the government.
@FactualAmericaPodcast
2 ай бұрын
Thank you for your comment, and for watching
WW brings b dubbyah light to too
We need Mae Brussell.
@FactualAmericaPodcast
3 ай бұрын
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Just so EVERYONE know the guy kill himself Sorry. I exposed the big secret.
kzread.info/head/PLUwsH1nrL-Sc9_iF6rZzvnbS9TZKDxRCN&si=xR1OFhtlFt9Yj6Q8 Sons of Sam called Octopus...ok..lol
The Netflix docuseries on this is disappointing. A lot of good information in it. Spread wide over 4 episodes needlessly. Organised in a frustrating way. Some thin speculation in there. Disappointing overall
@lenkasimekova9234
3 ай бұрын
Seriously? The documentary was spectacular
I haven’t watch the movie, read a book or heard facts surrounding the octopus murders story! It’s my first inclination that this is going to be a Republican scandal of corruption! Am I right? well we’ll find out! lol
@FactualAmericaPodcast
3 ай бұрын
Thanks for your comment!
@Independent57
3 ай бұрын
@@FactualAmericaPodcast the octopus murders were a Republican scandal involvement, George Bush, and his cohorts, disgusting that it goes on in our government! That our government was selling drugs to our own country nice!
Mum can vouch for me? What's with all this age v investigative journalism? Bit odd. Write about anything you want
@deeayeveeeyees
4 ай бұрын
chill.. it was just banter!
This was a nothing burger of a documentary. More about this guys wasted life being toyed with, not Danny but Christian. Poor wokester got played. I wasted 4 hrs watching, there is NO surprise! I repeat this is a film of mental illness on all levels, including the filmmaker and the execs at Netflix, who signed this mockumentary.
@oldtimedrumcorps
4 ай бұрын
You dont buy it? Did you forget the cops who believed it? The brutal murders? Those are facts/ evidence. The surprise to me is that you did not see any connection . Just as you probably believe LHO by himself did the deed back in '63 and Epstein committed suicide. Time to grow up kid .
@2davivadiva
4 ай бұрын
Wtf my guy 🤣
@ahar7624
4 ай бұрын
I agree...just watched it...would make a great movie but not a factual documentary
@voidisyinyangvoidisyinyang885
4 ай бұрын
the surprise is Joe Cuellar is exposed as the most likely murderer and not surprisingly all the corporate "reviews" do not mention this most important fact exposed of the documentary.
@questionmark5463
4 ай бұрын
Honestly, it reminded me of that whole QAnon thing. I did look into it at some point and it seemed clear that it was some sort of ARG.. except with some elements of truth blended in just to keep people hooked.