Why did I watch this at 4AM, I am fluent in this language, my family has been living in Norway for all mapped generations, and I learned the rest of this in school.

@josejulianaguirrepinzon7666

6 жыл бұрын

Because going to bed early is for people who don't have internet.

@halfcool5014

5 жыл бұрын

I knew everything in this video and speak norwegien, but I still wanted to watch it.

@tamuwu

5 жыл бұрын

wtf i found an osu player on a random video

@tamu7243

5 жыл бұрын

Laughing Orange same, why does this happen every time....

@ingypingy2360

5 жыл бұрын

Laughing Orange SaMe

My grandfather used to tell me that we were 5m people with 10m dialects

@theone132435

5 жыл бұрын

Not far from the truth. There's a new dialect for almost every small place outside of the cities. They don't differ too much, but still there are always a few local words and pronounciations.

@Ola-rc7hm

5 жыл бұрын

And he didn't lie

@jameswalker68

5 жыл бұрын

TheOisannNetwork You guys all speak and write English so amazingly well!! I live in Australia, and I’m just curious, if you were speaking with someone from a different part or Norway or Scandinavia and finding it hard to understand, do you ever switch to English?

@wug6175

5 жыл бұрын

@@jameswalker68 if it's not possible to communicate with that person, then we will begrudgingly switch to English.

@Ola-rc7hm

5 жыл бұрын

@@jameswalker68 Yea. But we swich back to our own language.

Anyone else that is native Norwegian that clicked this video just to check his pronunciation? 😂 It was quite good actually.

@CarlMarx

4 жыл бұрын

Ser eg ble tatt på fersken 😂

@eliasenger6984

4 жыл бұрын

Ja du har rett🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂

@martindegn690

3 жыл бұрын

Gutten er svensk, hans udtale burde være god nok

@Cris-hd1wb

3 жыл бұрын

I wish my accent were as good as his ;-;

@RaymondHng

3 жыл бұрын

Is his pronunciation discernible from a native Norwegian speaker?

can someone tell me why i’m studying my own language? no? ok

@CallMeThyme

5 жыл бұрын

enilec , jeg vet ikke , jo , jeg vet ! Det er bågruna du liker Norge , vårt land ! Ja vi elsker dette landet

@CallMeBeautifulRacoon

5 жыл бұрын

@@CallMeThyme You are a very proud nation! I'd love to go to Norway on the 17. mai. I'm from England. Sorry, I'm speaking English, I have been learning Norwegian for a year and a half but I don't feel comfortable writing to natives just yet. I can understand everything you're writing though😊

@chiharuchikanari5208

5 жыл бұрын

@@CallMeBeautifulRacoon ikke vær redd

@helenapersson5076

5 жыл бұрын

Säg det.. Jag såg den svenska versionen nyss och nu fortsätter jag med den norska. 😂

@akehapkap6143

4 жыл бұрын

@@CallMeBeautifulRacoon I'm from Denmark, but lived in Norway for 25 y. Speak, read and write both but I still get errors if I've visited my Danish family. I can't write nynorsk, but I can read it and understand most dialects. And we've got a lot lol

I'm from Ukraine and I'm really into Norwegian culture and studying Norse is such an interesting experience for me. Thank you for the lesson! Have a good day (English also isn't my native language, so I'm sorry for some mistakes that I could do:)😊

@eddie4179

Жыл бұрын

hey how u doing, hope you are fine💗💗💗

@sackettandres9457

Жыл бұрын

Damn bro your country crazy atm

@dominickvarnstrom9074

Жыл бұрын

@@eddie4179 L rizz, dork

My grandma said we were Norwegian, but when my ancestry results came back as Swedish, she was like “oh yeah, I meant Swedish.” Bruh 😂

The intelligibility between the Scandinavian languages is also somewhat affected by where in Norway you are. As a southern Norwegian myself I find it easier to understand slightly slowed Danish than to start a conversation with a swede. Meanwhile eastern Norwegians find it easier to understand Swedish, since the live along the border and you have a common practice of driving to Sweden to do horde-shopping.

@dan74695

2 жыл бұрын

Norsk er mykje likare svensk enn dansk. Dansk ville ha vore veldig vanskeleg for oss å forstå viss vi ikkje hadde bokmål og standard austnorsk.

@Muchoyo

Жыл бұрын

Growing up in Oslo in the 1960s I would listen to Swedish radio and watch Swedish television all the time. The Norwegian broadcasting monopoly was more or less a stupid joke, with one radio and one television channel. Thus I have no problems understanding Swedish, at least the standard conventional variety. Local dialect words probably not so much. (The same goes for many Norwegian dialects, for that matter.) Or perhaps my three Swedish great grandparents have an influence on me, who knows. I can also speak Swedish quite fluently, should the need arise. Which it rarely does, since we understand each other's languages so well. I had a Swedish neighbour who basically would speak Swedish to me, but he would use specifically Norwegian words intermittently. That always sounded like garbled noise to me, as my "mental frequency" was tuned to hear pure Swedish.

Then there's folks like meself who was born in Bergen (West), lived in Moldø a few years (Little further north), and grew up through most of childhood in Halden (South-east bordering Sweden), lived in England for a year and back to Bergen. My accent is messed up. :'D

@CallMeBeautifulRacoon

5 жыл бұрын

Where in England did you live? I feel like it was North

I honestly wish I could speak Norwegian. It's such a beautiful language.

@NONAMEGTAV

4 жыл бұрын

Charlotte Jones billy joel👍

@ShakespeareWilliam1600

4 жыл бұрын

@@NONAMEGTAV Thanks. Billy Joel is my favourite singer.

@ashh8893

4 жыл бұрын

You have a good taste in music

@dan74695

3 жыл бұрын

You can learn it

@ShakespeareWilliam1600

3 жыл бұрын

@@dan74695 I'm trying to learn it. I only know the basics.

I have a love/hate relationship with Nynorsk. I mostly use it when I have to write a complaint to some kind of public office, because they are obliged by law to answer with the same writing language. But when you listen to works such as the Ice Palace, it becomes quite evident that New Norwegian is a far more poetic language then the Book Language.

@MrGreendayrulz

3 жыл бұрын

Wait so you send the complaint in Nynorsk to annoy the bureaucrats when they have to respond in Nynorsk?

@kebman

3 жыл бұрын

@@MrGreendayrulz Exactly! This works best in non-Nynorsk counties, however. In tne Nynorsk counties, you send the comp in Bokmål, of course. ;) Companies are also obliged to answer in the same language they got the letter, but it's not like they'll get fined if they don't. It's usually just very annoying for them to have to read and write something they're not good at.

@grauwolf1604

3 жыл бұрын

That was my impression, too: New Norwegian has a much more poetic sound than Book language (and I could follow the text much better, but that's not important). I'm a native german speaker, born next to the danish border and I have learned sweedish some decades ago.

@grauwolf1604

3 жыл бұрын

@@kebman I do the same with my birth certificate: It is written in part by hand with the old "Sütterlin" letters (corresponding to the "fracture block letters". Don't know the correct english words for it.) When I want to annoy bureaucrats I use this old document, though I have got a newer one typed in ordinary letters.

@kebman

3 жыл бұрын

@@grauwolf1604 That's interesting! In Norway, until at least the 70's, the kids learned something called _skjønnskrift_ in school, which translates to "beautiful handwriting" (schönes Schreiben), and they had to practise with dip pens with subsequent ink stains. I think there was a slight change of style in the 30's, but it fell out of favour after the war as pencils were used far more than nib-and-shaft pens at that point. While somewhat similar to the more "pointy" Kurrentschrift, this kind of writing was built upon the so-called _Italic_ handwriting from Britain, said to originate from Carolingian minuscule (or more likely Round Hand, which itself was based upon French Rhonde). Though I'm pretty sure I've also seen older Norwegian handwriting samples that look far more like Kurrent than Round Hand, possibly because of trade. After 1970 the schools switched to _løkkeskrift,_ however, which translates directly to "noose writing" or "loop writing" (Schleifenschreiben), because of the long and rounded curves they use to sew together flowing words. This kind of handwriting is almost an exact replica of the Deutschen Normalschrift / Vereinfachte Ausgangsschrift, adapted for the Nordic alphabets. (Correct me if I'm wrong, but Sütterlin seems like an intermediary between Normalschrift and Kurrent) It was used together with _stavskrift_ a.k.a. _formskrift_ (stave or rod writing for single characters) (Rechtschreibung?) until 2012, when they stopped using flowing "loops" altogether due to the prevalence of PCs. Aside from this, a version of Fraktur (A germanic Gothic font) was also used for printing books in Norway, especially in bibles, but it fell out of favour around 1900, with a few bibles being printed in those types as late as the 30's. Instead Courier / Times type fonts (serifs) were used, and it still largely is, except for the odd newspaper that dared to use some form of grotesque instead (the horror), probably because it was popularized in Sweden. Sorry, I'm a bit of a nerd when it comes to these things since calligraphy is a hobby of mine...

Damn, jeg elsker Norsk. the tone play and simplicity to it, is so attractive.

@dan74695

2 жыл бұрын

Eg elskar språket vårt.

@dan74695

2 жыл бұрын

Har du høurt nordnorsk?

You mention that Norwegian is distantly related to English, but its actually far more closely related to Scots! A lot of Scots words sound almost identical to the Norweigan ones, such as bairn (child), kirk (Church), ettercap (spider), Kinnen (rabbit), stoor (dust) and words like hoose, coo, broon etc.

@kirstyhill1493

5 жыл бұрын

Jack Capener as a 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿/🇳🇴 able to speak norwegian, english and gaelic (also scots lol) i definitely can agree. when norway came to shetland people say thats how some parts of gaelic sound like norwegian

@WarriorofSunlight

5 жыл бұрын

It’s actually very closely related to English. They’re both Germanic, and Old English was greatly influenced by Old Norse, which itself evolved into the Scandinavian languages. An example of a language that is distantly related to English would be Russian or even Hindi die to the Indo-European language family! (Although you wouldn’t know it just by looking.)

@user-su6wy3bj4v

5 жыл бұрын

Parts of Scotland and northern England were once ruled and settled by the Danes and Norwegians, and Scots has preserved more of that than English has.

@matiisme

5 жыл бұрын

Omg, I didn't know that? I see what your refrences are. Crazy I didn't know bout this till' now 🤔

@peachesandcream.2612

5 жыл бұрын

Jack Capener - I have read that the north country English accents would be better understood in Oslo than in the south of England. Very interesting comment - thanks for posting! 💕

A very good, detalied and overall scientifically correct presentation! :-) Still, it is not entirely correct to say that Norwegian Nynorsk and Norwegian Bokmål are not two different languages but only two different standards. A better way to put it is that they are two different written languages, that both are Norwegian, and that they are rather close to each other (and not as different as, for example, French and German in Switzerland, but more like Belarusian or Ukrainian and Russian, or Czech and Slovak). In Norway there is a growing tendency to refer to Norwegian Nynorsk and Norwegian Bokmål as "språk" ('languages') instead of "målformer" (a Norwegian term that has no exact equivalent in English, literally 'language forms'). The so-called "samnorsk" ('Common Norwegian') policy, whereby Nynorsk and Bokmål should eventually be conflated into a single Norwegian language, was officially abandoned long ago.

I'm curious. Is the narrator of this video Swedish? It sounds a lot like Swedish intonation when pronouncing the Norwegian words. Bokmål, for instance, sounds like it's being pronounced with Swedish pitch accent 2 vs Norwegian pitch accent 2.

@AcademiaCervena

6 жыл бұрын

You're spot on! I want to think that I can usually get a quite decent Norwegian accent, but trying to say single words that only differ from Swedish intonation-wise while speaking English proved... harder >_

@erwinfelis4613

6 жыл бұрын

Academia Cervena I wanted to see if after a year of studying Norwegian, my American ears would be able to detect the difference in intonation and accent. You do very well, and I think it would be very difficult for me to speak in either Norwegian, talking about Swedish, or vice versa. I'm just learning your native language. It sounds like it has the inverse of pitch accents that Norwegian has. Swedish pronunciation rules are a little more complicated than Norwegian too, in my opinion.

@AcademiaCervena

6 жыл бұрын

Thanks! It's my opinion as well that Swedish pronunciation is slightly more complicated than Norwegian. As for the pitch accent, it really depends on the dialect :) Norwegian and Swedish share the same pitch accent types, but they are differently distributed. The accent type found in eastern Norway (Oslo) is the same as the one in western Sweden (Gothenburg), for instance!

@erwinfelis4613

6 жыл бұрын

Academia Cervena That's interesting to learn. Is it their close proximity to each other?

@AcademiaCervena

6 жыл бұрын

Since there is a whole array of other traits connecting those areas with regards to their traditional dialects, I'd assume so :) (Note however that most other pitch accent types do not connect geographically, so there appears to be a large coincidental aspect to it as well, generally speaking)

This is a brilliantly scoped video!

8:20 I have lived in Norway since 2015 and I do not agree that Norwegians tend to change their dialect depending on who they talk to. The people who are adapting the speech are usually the ones who have moved from one part of Norway to another part. I find it to be more common with both Danish and Swedish speakers to adapt their accent. It took me at least an extra 6 months to understand Trøndersk because they love to speak in their very weird accent which I at first thought was a speech defect.

@2Zemog

3 жыл бұрын

I'll have to disagree with you there. Speech adaptation is a universal language feature in language contact scenarios between mutually intelligible language varieties. It doesn't matter that Norwegians take pride in their varieties; they, like everyone else, adapt their dialect, sociolect and ideolect depending on their interlocutor. This is usually a subconscious choice, which may be both a communication strategy as well as a way of projecting overt prestige. Commonly this takes the form of adapting certain features associated with the Eastern dialect, which is percieved as a standard. That doesn't mean speakers drop their accents, but that they may drop certain pronunciation features and word stock associated with their local variety. Conversely speakers of similar dialects may exaggerate their local features for covert prestiege. Both globally and in norwegian specifically these features have been widely studied by linguists.

@Felixxxxxxxxx

3 жыл бұрын

@@2Zemog If a person from Nerpes, fårö or Bornholm who speak the genuine dialect of the region meets a person from another city they tend to switch to Riksfinlandssvenska, rikssvenska and rigsdansk. Norwegians do avoid some of the words that are unique to their dialect but you would never hear anyone from Stavanger or Trondheim that would switch over to Riksnorsk.

@2Zemog

3 жыл бұрын

@@Felixxxxxxxxx No, of course not. But they do assimilate features associated with Eastern Norwegian into their dialects to ease communication. This phenomenon can be observed in diverse urban centers, as these are the places where language mixing is more likely to occur. For instance, Trondheim-trøndersk has less apocopation, accenting and uses a smaller regional lexis than Fosen, Værdal and other inner-Trøndersk varieties. Similar things can be observed in most urban centers; Stavanger versus Jæren, Bergen versus strilemål. Most Norwegians call this phenomenon "forfining", and it occurs to widely different extents, with changes from minor to major in both the lexis, phonology and morphology.

@Felixxxxxxxxx

3 жыл бұрын

@@2Zemog This is not unique to Norwegian, so I thought it would be obvious to everyone that you don't use your own unique words outside of your own area. I am saying that especially in Sweden people with strong dialects tend to be bilingual. Dialect and rikssvenska.

Informative and well made. Thanks for the learns.

@AcademiaCervena

6 жыл бұрын

Thank you very much!

Very excited for this

This is so freaking helpful. Thank you so much!!

Kudos for this video. Quite informative compared to others, and I love that you included things lile the map of cases. Only things that could make it better would be a comments about Old Norse, or the Norwegian dialects in Sweden (Jamtland, Dalarna).

Fantastisk video - jag älskar din kanal! Framförallt videorna om den svenska pitch accenten har hjälpt mig mycket med att lära mig svenska! Många hälsningar från Tsykland

@AcademiaCervena

6 жыл бұрын

Tack så mycket! Väldigt roligt att höra! :) ('pitch accent' heter förresten _tonaccent_ på svenska :) )

This was a good video. Watching this in Molde, going to Kristiansund, Alvdal and Røros later this week. So, much exposure to norwegian dialects now. I have even seen «Sofies Verden».

I find it fascinating that with Bokmål and Nynorsk two different standardizations prevailed in the same language. I try to imagine how this would have worked in my language (German). Like Norwegian, German also has a lot of dialects, some of which aren't mutually intelligible. However there's only one single standard form (Hochdeutsch = "High German") that's considered correct in formal speech (technically Germany, Austria and Switzerland each have their own official standard variant, but those only differ marginally). As far as I know, none of the dialects has an official written form, and with the exception of Switzerland you will rarely encounter dialects in writing.

Awesome video!! The dialect from the ice palace bit reminded me of Aalborg dialect from Denmark somehow

As a Swedish person I now understand why it is so hard to understand some of the Norwegian dialects, with the two read examples I had no problem understanding the first "bokmål" but the second "nynorsk" was much harder to understand. Very interesting and educational 🤔😊👍🏻

@sagephil

3 жыл бұрын

I was about to say I've spoken to Swedes without having issues understanding them but they had trouble understanding what i was saying.

@Andjac2010

2 жыл бұрын

Makes sense as the nynorsk standard primarily was created through combining and standardizing dialects from Western Norway , which obviously is/was much farther from the Swedish variants on the dialect continuum. If I had not been frequently exposed to the western dialects and imagined it as the same language, I, as a Norwegian from the eastern parts of the country, would probably find Swedish more comprehensible than these variants as well.

@HrHaakon

Жыл бұрын

Nynorsk is literally more similar to Swedish than Bokmål is.

I’m a native Faroese speaker, and Nynorsk has so many similarities to Faroese. Even the pronunciation of Nynorsk is similar to Faroese. We also share a lot of basic words. Apparently, Faroese was influenced at some point, centuries ago, by Western Norwegian dialects, and in particular the dialects spoken in and around Bergen. :)

This video really helps. I wish more people subscribe this channel

Jättebra video, tänker du göra fler videor som den här? Annars vore också fler videor om svenska språket toppen!

@AcademiaCervena

6 жыл бұрын

Tack! Planen är att fortsätta göra båda delarna, det är kul att variera sig :)

Excellent video

Thank you so much for this video. I want to learn Norwegian and it your explainations are really clear. I hope I'll be fluent even if it seems really complicated.

@dan74695

2 жыл бұрын

You can do it!

Great video!!

Adam is really good in speaking both swedish and norwegian. kudos

Great video! You should for sure make one on Icelandic

@dan74695

2 жыл бұрын

And Faroese

Great and interesting video! If I were learning Norwegian I would honestly consider learning to write in Nynorsk. I really like the concept of Nynorsk and I feel like it's more distinctly Norwegian, rather than Bokmal which to me seems to have developed under Danish. I wish Nynorsk can continue to be preserved and popularized in Norway

Also nice to mention that there are dialects most Norwegian speakers have trouble with. Like vallemål which is from an isolated place in southern Norway with its own grammar and vocabulary that makes it hard just for neighbouring towns to understand. As an example spoon and knife in Norwegian is skje og kniv. But in Valle it is spoone og knife.

@dan74695

2 жыл бұрын

"Skei" og "kniv" er "skjei"(uttala "skjai") og "nív'e"(uttala "næive") på vallemål.

okay i loved this video

As a finn I find Nynorsk much easier to understand. Maybe that's because I've only seen written Norwegian in the northern parts of Norway. 🤔 (I speak a little bit Swedish)

@VexTheBokoblin88

4 жыл бұрын

Kan du snakke Nord norsk?

@dan74695

2 жыл бұрын

Svensk er nærmare nynorsk enn bokmål.

You'll have to do a video about the Icelandic language!

Hi I do really love and appreciate this video. I am actually writing an abstract about that and I am using your considerations as sources of inspiration. Do they come from your personal research or did you use some reference manuals?

Nice! Mange takk! :-)

The pitch accents in the western dialects (strangely) sound much more like many Swedish dialects' pitch accents, like in Dalarna but also Gotland, even though the language as a whole is more different from Swedish and significantly more difficult for Swedes to understand unless they've either lived in Norway or are well versed in the history of their own language and Scandinavian in general. The south-eastern dialects sound very similar in accent to the Swedish dialects in the same area across the border, to the extent that some people from small towns in Värmland and northern Dalsland is hard to tell whether they are just speaking in their local dialect/accent, or if they are Norwegians speaking Swedish with a south-east Norwegian accent. Actually the Norwegians speaking Swedish with south-eastern Norwegian accent are probably even easier to understand even than the people speaking actual local dialects from small towns in Värmland.

@dan74695

2 жыл бұрын

Norsk og svensk er det same språket.

7:05 Bokmål may or may not be spoken by retired people( or older ) located at Frogner and Bygdøy. Bokmål works as a written language. 10:51 No cases? What about: Han, ham, hannom[s] 12:35 Otherwise the wave form can be used to distinct between question and statement by using 1 - one word only. Example Pizza going down at the end of the word, means we chose pizza, or pizza going up at the end; implicit question would you mind pizza.

I remember when I as a school boy in Bergen had to learn nynorsk We called it "fjøs-latin" ( barn-latin) 😅. As it was associated with rural Norway as detailed in the video. I have since grown up and learned to appreciate the language and linguistics in general. I'm also endeavouring to learn old Norse and proto Norse.

I remember watching the TV series Vet School, and later Vets in Practice. The two Norwegian women had very different accents; I wouldn't have guessed that they came from the same country.

There are seven ways to say I in Norwegian: _Jeg_ (pronounces similar to ‘Yay’), _Je, E, I_ (pronounced similar to Ee), _Eg, Æg_ and _Æ._ Bonus Swedish way of saying I: _Jag_ and _Ja._ In all cases the J sounds more like a Y in English. And the one I is more like Ee.

@Dragmirejr

3 жыл бұрын

wouldn't stop at 7 personally, there is also "Eig" and prob some others

@dan74695

3 жыл бұрын

There's at least _thirteen_ ways to say it in Norwegian: jæi, jæ, je, ieg, i, e, eg, æ, æg, ækk, æi, eig, ei.

@dan74695

2 жыл бұрын

@@Dragmirejr Minst tretten måtar å segje det på.

@dan74695

2 жыл бұрын

Swedish also has jao, ji, i, ig, je and jö.

As a Dane I can understand a little bit of Norwegian, as in almost literally the basics- I can understand a few words and kind of figure out what's going on. It's almost the same thing with Swedish, except harder. Fun? extra. One of the biggest troubles of being Danish and communicating with a swede or a Norwegian is : knowing which is which. . . Swedish and Norwegian sounds almost identical to the untrained Danish ear and if you accidentally call a Norwegian for a swede -or the other way around: you will be met with the power of Swedish/Norwegian disappointment! Horrible, deeeb disappointment !... Or Maybe it's just me, who thinks it's VERY uncomfortable to stand in front of a Norwegian who's starring daggers at you for calling them a swede.

@tash4943

5 жыл бұрын

Yes, none of the scandinavian peoples would want to be identified as one of the other. I wouldn't want to be called a dane or a swede. Sure we can understand eachother, that doesn't mean we like eachother. They haven't exactly deserved that either.

@TheVaff3l

5 жыл бұрын

Haha yes! I'm from Bergen, and whenever I'm in Denmark, people think I'm from Skåne. I admit feeling a little hurt when they do, but would never show it.

@oskich

4 жыл бұрын

@@TheVaff3l Well, I have a Stockholm dialect, and when I was in Copenhagen last time, I was asked by several Danes about which part of Oslo I came from...

@TheVaff3l

4 жыл бұрын

@@oskich Hahaha, really? They're not even close to sounding similar to each other

@oskich

4 жыл бұрын

@@TheVaff3l Yeah, I was kind of surprised myself :)

I spent 3 months in the north working on a farm. I could speak but couldn't understand. I returned and camped for 3 months, its the easiest country to camp in. Greeting from Australia.

@dan74695

2 жыл бұрын

Northern Norwegian is very different from Urban East Norwegian and Bokmål.

The Bardu dialect in Northern Norway is a bit of a weird one because of the military presence there and the original residents being from southern norways it's heavily influenced by it. The only dialect island I can think of in Norway. It makes sense as southern norway is where most of the population of Norway resides from. Also, on a side note, yes. Some norwegians speak "Bokmål" and that's the Sami from Finnmark who's mother tongue is a Sami language. They do however speak it with a clearly different accent. Not all Sami though.

@HR-in8yt

Жыл бұрын

In Bardu, the dialect is mostly influenced by "dølamål". Not its military presence really. Settlers from gudbrandsdalen and nord-østerdalen which speaks dølamål settled there because of the great flood "stor-ofsen". The danish king granted them new land to settle, because many people had no house or livestock.

@dreamshooter90

Жыл бұрын

@@HR-in8yt Yeah. ^^ Thank you for specifying. I wasn't sure exactly what it was.

Are you guys going to keep doing this? I want to learn norwegian, and you make awesome videos, please reconsider uploading here, or can someon etell me where can I learn instead? I'm very concerned about norwegian accents, I want to learn a specific one and realize when someone speaks with other accent, or else it'd be a mess

@Mosern1977

5 жыл бұрын

As a foreigner, learn the East-Norwegian (Oslo) dialect. It is closer to written bokmål than anything else, and everyone understands you. If people don't understand you, they'll flip over to English in a heartbeat. (This is actually an issue when English speaking people want to learn Norwegians, as the Norwegians will just speak English back instead).

@dan74695

2 жыл бұрын

Learning Nynorsk will help you understand both the dialects and Swedish.

Norway was never a danish province. It was a puppet kingdom from 1537 to 1814 with its own laws and army. Danish and Norwegian was seen as the same language during the union, so they had the same written form, that was based on the Copenhagen dialect (linguistic, Danish, Norwegian and Swedish are the same language). But it is true that the written language based on the Copenhagen dialect had an impact on the spoken Norwegian dialects. Gradually the new writing system replaced the old norse writing in the 17th century (where few could read and write anywho, so it was a easy transition to a more modern type of writing ) In 1814 it was seen as as much a Norwegian written language as a Danish written language, as the Norwegian constitution calls the written language Norwegian. Anyway very good video 😊

@nils-christiannilsen7115

5 жыл бұрын

My computer wanted to be special as I typed this, so that is why the setup is a littel werd. Also Urban East Norwegian is not a dialect.

@Neophema

5 жыл бұрын

I think Urban East Norwegian is supposed to be a collection of eastern Norwegian dialects that share similar traits.

@dan74695

2 жыл бұрын

@@Neophema So-called Urban East Norwegian is Dano-Norwegian.

My great-great-grandfather came to America from Oslo however long ago. 3 generations later, not a single person in my family knows a word of Norwegian, not even my grandmother who grew up speaking it. Jeg kan forstår og skriver bare litt nå, men jeg skal snakke Norsk!

I moved from Denmark to Norway. Written its the same but it depends who you meet in understanding. Like Stavanger is difficult but Native Bergen is easy. I realise the younger a person is the easier i understand them

@dan74695

2 жыл бұрын

Det er for di dei yngre snakkar vanlegvis nærmare bokmål, som er dansk.

Fascinating. In terms of stress, tempo, rhythm and pronunciation, the Sunnhordland dialect in this video sounds very similar to Finnish in many respects. (Most academics now believe that Uralic and Indo-European languages probably share a common ancestor way back, but still, the phonetic similarities between this dialect and Finnish are obviously just superficial. Still surprised at how similar they sound.)

Great!

great video, although recently i discovered that some people write nynorsk also with ó and ú (possibly inspired by icelandic) to represent dialectal variations

Nynorsk favours western norwegians the most, as it is closer to their dialect than other places on norway. Being from northern norway myself, living many places around and in Bodø before going to university in trondheim, I wouldnt say that western norwegian is just as distant to us as eastern norwegian. So I'd favour the parting into four main groups of dialects. Saying this, dialects change drasticly from just fjord to fjord or mountainside to the other mountainside. Atleast in the north. The dialect I had the most trouble with was probably people from Stavanger, as that is a very special dialect. As a kid when I first heard it, I mistaked it as english, as at that point, I didnt understand either. We're talking 2nd to 3rd grade here, so it was a while ago. Understand easily now with a bit of guesswork hehe

@overjee

5 жыл бұрын

My mistanke. The up and down tonefall with western and eastern is very right. Dialects are still pretty diffrent.

@dan74695

2 жыл бұрын

Det er ingen dialekter som berre er nærmare nynorsk, dei som er det er det _på grunn av_ bokmål; alle dei tradisjonelle dialektene var nærmare nynorsk, til og med den tradisjonelle oslodialekta. Bokmål, som er berre litt fornorska skriven dansk, passar berre med standard austnorsk, som er dansk med norsk uttale. Nynorsk er betre for alle dialektene.

@dan74695

2 жыл бұрын

"Bare", "ikke", "fra", "da", "å se", "å høre", "å kjøre", "å hete", "å si", "å mene", "å synes", "kommer", "sang", "snø", er ikkje nordnorsk, forresten, dei fleste av deim er ikkje norsk eingong, men dansk. På nordnorsk er det: "bærre", "ikkje", "frå", "då", "å sjå", "å høyre", "å kjøyre", "å heite", "å segje", "å meine", "å synast", "kjæm", "song", "sny".

@overjee

2 жыл бұрын

@@dan74695 Det er flere forskjeller på nordnorsk, men de fleste du la ned der brukes ikke av meg. Høres mer ut som vestdialekter. Bruker heller "Bare", "ikke", "fra", "da", "å se", "å hør", "å kjør", "å het", "å sei", "å mein", "å synes", "kommer", "Sang", "snø", "lyd"

@dan74695

2 жыл бұрын

@@overjee Næi, det e ækte nordnorsk. Det som e nærmare bokmål e mæst sannsynlig det _på grunn av_ bokmål.

Ok it was great you included those speaking the language naturally but no matter how I can read the words in germanic or nordick I can not speak it or even hear there the similarities to act on that.

In the city of Bergen in western Norway we have bokmål and nynorsk. (Sorry if i have bad english)

Jeg kommer fra Frankrike og, tror meg, jeg er nok glad når jeg kan forstå noe uansett hvilken dialekt dere snakker. Fra det ene til det andre visste jeg ikke at det finnes dialekter som bruker kasus i Norge. Kan du fortelle meg mer om dette emnet ? 😊

When Norway was in a Union with Sweden, the Norwegian Language got some influence from the Swedish Language. For example, in some Norwegian eastern terretories at the swedish border, we use the word "inte" instead of "ikke/ikkje".

@collectorduck9061

4 жыл бұрын

wat

@Oro-Laeji

4 жыл бұрын

I live by the Swedish border and I have never heard inte been used in a normal sentence, only in a mock-formal way. In my dialect we say itte.

Wish you had talked more about Trøndersk, otherwise a good video!

@dan74695

2 жыл бұрын

And northern Norwegian.

i wish this made like the finnish video, grammar explanation and useful stuff. my opinion tho, not judging the video

Im Norwegian and hes good at Norwegian 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻🇳🇴

@dan74695

2 жыл бұрын

For di han er ein av våre brødrar frå aust

@superbrutus2369

2 жыл бұрын

Nice

@superbrutus2369

2 жыл бұрын

Det er bra

I am English, also a German speaker, Initially look gives me the incentive to learn Norwegian. Grammar seems quite similar to English?

Sikkert fint for folk som ikke kan det! Vent.... Okay, that's better.

I'm Ukrainian and i find a lot of surprisingly similar situation between situations in Norway and in Ukraine. I Ukraine as well as in Norway almost noone speak "Literary language". Most of population use their own dialects, surzhyk(mix of Ukrainian and Russian, very similar to Bokmal which is mix of Norwegian and Danish) and of course a lot of people use russian. Also we have som regional languages such as Hungarian, Crimean Tatar, Romanian, Bulgarian etc. Also, in last years, with the rapid develop of our language, it has been "fixed" a lot. A lot of archaic forms entered the language. Also, some russian borrowings were replaced by polish ones, for instance, and so on. What i love about Norway is that they preserve their dialects. While in Ukraine the Standart language is promoted

NN sounds so like Icelandic and Old Norse, and BM... well like Danish and Swedish XD. I love them both, omg I can't choose. haha

@dan74695

2 жыл бұрын

Nynorsk is very similar to Swedish as well.

@dan74695

2 жыл бұрын

This dialect reminds me of Icelandic and Faroese: vallemal.no/talemalet/forteljingar/natur-og-folkekarakter/

Jeg lære mig dansk allerede i nogen år og nu prøver jeg mere og mere at udvide min kendskab til de andre nordiske sprog. Jeg var selv lidt overrasket over hvor let det egentlig var at forstå den læsning af Is-slottet på nynorsk. Sådan en klar, rørende stemme... Kan du sige mig noget: er det her fra en lydbog? Hvor kunne jeg måske høre lidt mere fra denne oplæser? Hilsner fra den sydlige halvkugle og mange tak for dine videoer!

After watching the Finnish video, I come to this one... wtf?! Adam again? Woooow

Wow your soo good at norwegian

Heeeeyy Vesaas, Tarjei here!

Did you mean overt prestige at 6.37, or am I remembering covert prestige wrong?

skvære stør låg Nynorsk Bokmål Ill be editing this for what words of norwegian i see

How works the case system? I know the German declination system but I didn't know that a dialect of bokmål has it... If anyone could write an example...

@Neophema

5 жыл бұрын

Quite a few dialects have remnants of the old norse case system. In my urban eastern dialect they are all gone, except for in some expressions.

@Mr1kalama

5 жыл бұрын

@@Neophema Hmmm, I supposed that nynorsk was more "conservative" and bokmål more simplified due to the danish influence. I also thought that Icelandic and nynorsk were relatively close (at least more than bokmål), therefore nynorsk may had declination in general. Do you know any example of that declination? Could you write it below? ↓ and thanks for the answer! 😄

yes

I like the sonority

Cool

Norwegian is my favourite scandinavian language. Further I like swedish and danish.

Is the difference between Bokmål and Nynorsk similar to the difference between Dutch and Frisian? If so, would it be better to learn Bokmål if one would like to learn Norsk? Currently I’m learning Swedish, would it fuck up the learning process because the similarities between these two languages are quite high for an outstander

@dan74695

2 жыл бұрын

Svensk liknar meir på nynorsk enn bokmål.

@dan74695

2 жыл бұрын

Nynorsk er ikkje(inte) så vanskeleg(svårt) viss ein kan svensk, og det blir lettare å forstå dialektene og færøysk og islandsk viss ein kan det, så det er bra å læra seg det.

Jeg bor i Bergen, og skriver bokmål

@svein6555

5 жыл бұрын

Christine Grunert traitor

@DidrickNamtvedt

5 жыл бұрын

Samme her.

@Jekoo1881

5 жыл бұрын

Ganske vanlig at det skjer i de store byene da.

@larssjursen8692

5 жыл бұрын

samme her

@parisdinh1595

5 жыл бұрын

er det sidemålet ditt? eller hovedmål?

What about Knud Knudsen and Ivar Aasen?

Looking at the arrows at 7:08 , the Urban East Norwegian is spreading and taking over a lot of rich dialects, including my own, and I find it really sad. My dialect is kind of in the middle, between Bokmål and Nynorsk. Because of that I usually write in my dialect in stead of choosing, whenever I'm not writing anything formal. The one's who don't understand are usually stubborn, narrow-minded, and the same people who contribute to give the dialect the low status it has I think that we should rather have lots of regional written languages reflecting our dialects, and some sort of "bokmål" or something similar for nation wide use. We already have two written languages, but that arrangement would be easier and preserve our dialects much better

Oh, I very like Norway and Norwegian, but I have no people to speak on Norwegian((( it’s kinda sad because I wanna talk to people((

@dan74695

2 жыл бұрын

I can talk with you if you have Discord

You are avle to pronounce the Worse really well, but you can still hear that you are a foreginer. I would regimene you Toblerone norwegian since it gives you the door to a heaven of dialects and an radioer time learning danish and Swedish. Danish is just bokmål prinounced like you have porriage or a potato stuck in your throut. Keep up the amazing videos og yours. Love from Norway!

@dan74695

2 жыл бұрын

Han er svensk.

Sounds like the host of this video is Sweedish. Am I right? 🙂 Just curious. Or the dialekt trøndersk.

anyone who is a native speaker or is now proficient speaker, could you please point me to online resources? I am a non-European wanting to learn the language.

Anser du att det är en vettig jämförelse att jämföra nynorsk och bokmål mot brittisk och amerikansk engelska? Annars är det bra gjort och visar väldigt tydligt att norskan är galen

@AcademiaCervena

6 жыл бұрын

Nej, det tycker jag egentligen inte. Skillnaderna mellan BrE och AmE är i jämförelse väldigt obetydliga, och gäller väl mest några mindre grejer i stavningen förutom de lite större skillnaderna i ordförråd. Och den amerikanska stavningsnormen är från början en anpassad variant av den brittiska, vilket också skiljer sig från den norska situationen där båda varianterna har helt olika ursprung. Det är egentligen en så ovanlig situation att det inte finns någon bra jämförelse att göra, jag försökte själv komma på någon utan att lyckas...

@Correctrix

6 жыл бұрын

Bah, not at all. Bokmål is the traditional standard, so it's like what you call British English (better described as just English). Nynorsk is an attempt to be purer, so that's like speaking standard English and making a special effort not to use Americanisms or other foreign words, perhaps using more Germanic than Romance vocabulary. The equivalent of American English in Norwegian would be if people spoke Swedish and insisted on calling it Norwegian, and every time Norwegian people said, "But this is actual Norwegian" they got told, "Oh, you're just speaking that funny Norway Norwegian. I speak Sweden Norwegian. We have a higher population and invented Ikea, so it's ours now." Then, every time you chose _Norsk_ on your spellcheck, it would actually be in Swedish. You'd have to choose _Norsk (Norge)_ on the rare occasions they even let you have the option. Add to this situation the phenomenon of Swedes being, instead of the charming hippies that they are, a nation of gun-toting sociopaths.

@rudde7918

6 жыл бұрын

This doesnt make any sense at all.

@roaringviking5693

4 жыл бұрын

@@Correctrix This could be the greatest thing I've ever read. :D

@aularound

3 жыл бұрын

@@Correctrix Haha, du gick in hårt på den förklaringen! :)

I like how Norwegian also has 3 genders, just like in german, but the fact that the feminine form is optinal is kinda wierd. For me as a german I think it would be easy to learn which thing has what gender

@AcademiaCervena

4 жыл бұрын

It is quite unusual for a standardized language to permit such optionality. Also yes, it would; there are a lot of correspondences between the Germanic languages in terms of gender assignment :)

@xolang

4 жыл бұрын

Yet the examples for the 3 gender (bil, bok, hus) are all neutral in German even though all 3 words have the same roots as Auto°, Buch, Haus. °Auto & bil both come from the word "automobil".

@dan74695

2 жыл бұрын

It's optional in Bokmål, which is Dano-Norwegian, and Danish only has two, standard Danish anyway. It's not optional in Nynorsk.

Kan vi ikke bare skrive runer?

@eitak7840

5 жыл бұрын

Bare ta en titt på håndskriften din

@Ola-rc7hm

5 жыл бұрын

@@eitak7840 Den e stygg som f.

@nicolaikstaubo5387

5 жыл бұрын

This is irrelevant but ta det med ro, 95% av alle nordmenn har stygg håndskrift

@Ola-rc7hm

5 жыл бұрын

@@nicolaikstaubo5387 Nættop! Det e dærfor runedkrift e svaret😁

@dadianbao257

4 жыл бұрын

Jo, det ville være en god ide, kun 16 tegn at lære.

Should I learn Norwegian? I'm choosing between that or Russian..

@Mosern1977

5 жыл бұрын

Unless you plan on living in Norway for extended periods, go with Russian.

idk why I watched this but it was v interesting lol

Hey great pronounciation from a swede! But I can hear your swedish L in the word "Bokmål", The L should be thick sounding, like you would say L in english "Ball". That being said, a lot of our dialects would use the thin L, and it is sneaking into the Oslo dialect (which you sounded like pronouncing:) Two questions: Why are so many swedish surnames relating to botany? Eklund, Blomqvist, Ekdahl, Björklund, Rosén, Lindblad Etc. Something to do with Carl von Linné? Why is it so hard for swedes to say; Chili, Jim and Jockey in english? Stay safe:)

@dan74695

2 жыл бұрын

Hær i Narvik e det en retroflæks.

*Imagine trying to figure out how you as a people group should speak in the very near future using only the language you have in the present.* 😳 It’d be like trying to make “fetch” happen unanimously across your country but also trying to figure out if it should have a “t” or not. And should it be silent?? 💀 I am both in awe and horrified at the idea of having to _decide_ a language 😂

Eastern Norwegian, Urban Eastern Norwegian (UEN) is Bokmål

@dan74695

2 жыл бұрын

Standard austnorsk og bokmål er dansk-norsk.

@dan74695

2 жыл бұрын

They're Dano-Norwegian.

me trying to learn norwegian so i can watch skam without caption. i'm sorry.

Confusingly, the Danes have the Æ key where the Ø key is in Norway. This confuses the hell out of most Swedes.

@markmedka1342

4 жыл бұрын

kebman You are right. I’m Danish and I visit my companys Norwegian office this summer and I was pretty frustated with the Norwegian keyboard having swift the 2 letters😂

@kebman

4 жыл бұрын

@@markmedka1342 Velkommen til Norge! :D

@markmedka1342

4 жыл бұрын

kebman 👍😂

@oskich

4 жыл бұрын

At least the Norwegian Æ is in the same position as the Swedish/Finnish Ä key - The Danish one is just plain wierd ;)

10:52 kan du kanskje forklare det litt?

@AcademiaCervena

5 жыл бұрын

Kasus er former som angjev det grammatiske forholdet til ord. Norsk har teknisk sett ein kasusdistinksjon i visse pronomen, for di ein skil mellom f.eks. 'eg' og 'meg'. Men då ein talar om at eit språk "har kasus" meinar ein vanlegvis at skilnaden er meir gjennomgripande i heile nominalsystemet (dvs òg på substantiv og adjektiv), som f.eks. på islandsk og tysk. Jf. norsk 'Katten ser hunden' og 'Hunden ser katten' med islandsk 'Kötturinn sér hundinn' og 'Hundurinn sér köttinn', der orda er ulike då dei står i ulike kasus (nominativ med -ur- for subjektet og akkusativ med -0- for det direkte objektet). Men visse norske dialekter har framleis kasus sjølv på substantiva, då dei har behalde dativ frå norrønt. Han vert framfor alt bruka for det indirekte objektet og etter visse preposisjonar. Som eksempel kan vi ta holtålsk (ei trønderdialekt), der det heiter "E ser kar'n" = "Eg ser karen (dir.obj.)" men "E takka kara" = "Eg takka karen (indir.obj.)". Håpar det gav deg nokolunde svar på spørsmålet ditt!

@wug6175

5 жыл бұрын

@@AcademiaCervena Tusen takk!

Sophie!

song used in this video?

@AcademiaCervena

6 ай бұрын

It's custom made for this video.

Norwegian does have case markers. For nouns, the nominative and accusative cases are the same though. However, dative, genetive and vocative cases are also used. The dative case in written Norwegian is only used scarsely and for singular indefinite. It has the case marker -e. Forms like “av gårde” and “i tide” are dative. Dative is also used for constructing compound nouns, such as “folkevogn” and “hundehus”. The dative case is used more extensively in spoken Norwegian, though, for which it can also be used for definite and plural forms, with other case markers. Then there is the gentive case, which is used in forms like “til fjells” and “til sjøs”. It can also be used to express ownership. It is also used to construct compound nouns, such as “skipslogg”, “statsminister” and “allmannamøte” (in the latter “manna” is plural genitive of “mann”). Gentive usually has the case marker -s. Finally, the least used case is vocative. Proto-Germanic had vocative forms of all nouns, but in modern Norwegian it is only retained for the word “folk”. The vocative form being “folkens”. Then there is the difference between nominative and accusative, which is not present in nouns, but still present in pronouns. Norwegian therefore retains all five cases from Proto-Germanic, but they are only used to a lesser extent for nouns. It is wrong to say that written Norwegian do not use case markers though.