LIKE if you'd like to see more electric vans on the roads & SHARE if you think all commercial vehicles should be electric In this second instalment of our Introduction to Electric Vans series, Andy heads to the Brecon Beacons to find out how electric vans are being used by real people to carry out their day to day jobs. This Renault Kangoo ZE33 was added to the Brecon Beacons National Park vehicle fleet last year and is used both for educational outreach activities and ground maintenance of the 40 acre site. The Kangoo might be a small, simple, no-frills and functional electric van but it also offers flexibility for seating or extra storage options in the back. It's a perfect solution for small businesses, trades people and last mile deliveries and, with components from the popular Renault Zoe, seems to be a good safe option for going electric. More information about the Renault Kangoo - KANGOO - A Van Adapted to Your Needs - Renault UK Renault Range Calculator - KANGOO Z.E. 33 - Driving Range & Charging - Renault UK Episode 1 featured the Maxus E Deliver 3. Future episodes in January, include Vauxhall's Vivaro E, Mercedes Benz E-Vito and a return to see ARRIVAL's commercial vehicle. Drone footage courtesy of Kevin Booker Fully Charged is 100% independent thanks to KZread Memberships and Patreons. Without you this channel wouldn’t be possible! If you’d like to help support the Fully Charged channel and its mission: Become a Patreon: www.patreon.com/fullychargedshow Become a KZread member: use JOIN button above Subscribe to Fully Charged & the Fully Charged PLUS channels Buy the Fully Charged Guide to Electric Vehicles & Clean Energy : buff.ly/2GybGt0 Browse the Fully Charged store: shop.fullycharged.show/ Visit our LIVE exhibitions in the UK, USA & Europe: FullyCharged.Show/events Subscribe for episode alerts and the Fully Charged newsletter: fullycharged.show/zap-sign-up/ Visit: FullyCharged.Show Find us on Twitter: twitter.com/fullychargedshw Follow us on Instagram: instagram.com/fullychargedshow Timestamps: 0:00 Electric vans for real people 0:57 Renault Kangoo ZE33 1:38 Multi-purpose van 2:03 Check the specs 2:30 Zoe stamp of approval 2:55 Range information 4:09 Heat up your seats 4:42 Eco driving 5:16 Renault's range calculator 6:51 Smooth drive 7:10 What weight can they take? 7:39 Two-seater, five-seater, two-seater 8:15 Walk around 8:59 Charging 9:26 Right range for right purpose 10:12 No rapid charging 11:17 Vehicle-to-Grid 12:33 Power handbrake 12:57 Fully functional 13:55 Costs & savings 16:33 Simple but safe bet 16:54 Coming up next 17:15 Subscribe, sponsor, join

Nice that you spoke to someone who is actualy using an electric van on a day-to-day basis.

@anydaynow01

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, nice to see how payload and temperature affects the vans range also.

@1001ewaste

3 жыл бұрын

It would be nice to see more from small businesses etc rather than a self described "Environmental Organisation" Public Body.

7kW charging seems a bit stingy, especially as many work locations will have 3-phase available for 11 or 22kW

@streetwind.

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, and Renault is the company that went all-in with AC charging. Some Zoe variants got up to 44 kW AC charging, the Twingo Z.E. with a battery that's a third smaller than the one in this van can accept up to 22 kW and intentionally skips on DC charging capability because it's just not needed at that point, and so on and so forth. Why does this van have such a poor charger then? Puzzling. I definitely expected at least basic three-phase.

@rogerlafrance6355

3 жыл бұрын

Van are driven by Employees of many different Enterprises, in many trades, in many different locations (important). Its up to management to choose the right one for the job keeping in mind that the Employee has the right to an 8 hour work day with an hour for lunch whilst the van recharges if need be. I think the rear seating is very clever in the spirit of the 2CV van taking the family to church or holiday on Sunday! To make Teslar or any other hi performance luxury electric a benchmark is foolish. When the registries catch up with them they will be taxed! But such owners don't care and often pay more for their man to drive them to London.

@DavidKnowles0

3 жыл бұрын

@@streetwind. The vehicle was release in 2012 so my guess would be that much of the underlining drive train technology is dates to around that time, when rapid charging and 50kw css charging was just distant dream for many users. The manufactures simply didn't care, they wanted to keep making combustion engines. I would be shock if the third gen coming out this year didn't have rapid charging.

@streetwind.

3 жыл бұрын

@@DavidKnowles0 The vehicle being reviewed here is one with the 33 kWh battery, which means it's the refresh model from 2017 onwards. The original Kangoo Z.E. from 2012 had a smaller battery and a different powertrain/motor. But even if it was the one from 2012: that's still no excuse. Because the Renault Zoe that released in the same year (2012) and had the same size battery (23 kW) had an internal charger that could handle up to 3-phase 44 kW AC. Renault had the technology back then already. The only reason not to include it in the van is because they chose not to, and they didn't choose to change anything in the 2017 refresh either. It is a clear weakness of the vehicle that was avoidable from the start - and that makes it disappointing. As mentioned, 11 kW three-phase AC would have beem easily enough, and sockets for it widely available at commercial sites.

@jorakarandas6592

3 жыл бұрын

@mikeselectricstuff The Renault Kangoo ZE can be modified to 3 phase charging. In Ukraine this is a popular aftermarket upgrade.

Proof, if it was needed, that EVs don’t need swathes of touchscreens or other superfluous technology to be functional driver-oriented machines. EVs are, as we know, mechanically simpler than internal combustion powered vehicles and it’s nice to see this simplicity extended to the interior. Can’t wait for an EV variant of the Ariel Atom, no doubt Ariel will be able to push their minimalist formula even further than before - and this van shows it can be done without becoming yet another mobile iPad.

@snowstrobe

3 жыл бұрын

Totally agree. It seems that the Bollinger has the same design ethos, however, they will be in the 'ludicrous' price range...

@ElectraFlarefire

3 жыл бұрын

Glad I'm not the only one who really wants to see what Ariel do with an EV platform.. I do hope they make something utterly mad.

@jur4x

3 жыл бұрын

Exactly. But it looks like everyone else is trying to compensate simpler powertrain with more gadgets. And here is the problem - electronics do fail. Especially in car, especially on bumpy roads

@cekpi7

3 жыл бұрын

World needs more cheaper, "budget" EVs that don't have all bells and whistles. I personally wouldn't care if it had crappy stereo and no tablet.

@snowstrobe

3 жыл бұрын

@@cekpi7 The gadgets don't add much cost, in fact, that's why they do it to give the appearance of more value, the cost is in the battery. Solve that issue and and the deal is done.

A fine example of presenter missing the point when the heat pump advantage was being described. Hint: it's nothing to do with heating the vehicle whilst connected to power ... you can do that with a standard resistive heater. The real advantage is when running purely on battery because it uses a fair bit less power so effectively increases your range.

@davidlazarus67

3 жыл бұрын

Yes heat pumps move heat rather than generate it. So much more efficient.

@stephanweinberger

3 жыл бұрын

Yes, that bothered me tee. As a presenter in an EV-programme, you should at least have a basic understanding of the technology. Especially when it's actually a very simple concept; every fridge is a heat-pump as well: it 'pumps' heat from one location (in this case the inside of the fridge) to another (the environment, that's why a fridge gets warm at the back). Moving existing heat around takes less energy than actually creating heat (e.g. with a resistive heater), hence heat pumps are more energy efficient.

@charlestoast4051

3 жыл бұрын

@@stephanweinberger It was a bit of a gaffe, for sure, but overall, he's a better presenter than most.

Great to see a focus on a practical use case.

Although people might think this is boring. But these vans are more important than any car on here.

Love the application driven choice and practical use here keep up the great videos 👍

Real world experience fascinating, much better than conventional car review format.

Absolutely excellent review , really informative and interesting 👍

THANK YOU ! THIS is the kind of USEFUL report that 'Top Gear' stopped doing.

It would be great to see these available for van hire. Any electric van really.

Fully charged videos, optimistic yet balanced, sensible but not boring. good shit guys

Hope that Renault France is watching this! Live your accent Andy! We seriously looked in to one of these but since it have to serve the purpose of family car and work car we thought the range was limiting. Will wait for the new Kangoo electric version, should be out soon! Had to settle with a small EV and a humongous PHEV.

Andy, you’ll need to brush up on what an EV heat pump is and how it works and why it’s more efficient than other EV heaters.

@weetikissa

3 жыл бұрын

The editor and the producer should be smart enough to edit that out too.

@charlestoast4051

3 жыл бұрын

@@weetikissa But then again maybe it's refreshing that the y didn't. I'm sure Andy is embarrassed about it, but he will pick up more EV knowledge as he goes. I prefer his videos to those of a lot of the other guys/gals.

I particularly appreciated the knowledge that the National Park guy had gained since they began to realise their renewable vision. Well done fully charged. 😊🇬🇧👍

Love that the Fully Charged Kona camera car lurking in the trees 😆

@fullychargedshow

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah it’s always in the shots somewhere... like an EV Easter egg 🥚

Idea for an episode or two as part of this series. Electric camper vans & seek out the best option for converting.

@stewreviews9345

3 жыл бұрын

Up-vote for this one. Let's see what the new ev boxer is like eh..

I like the design of those sliding door windows, and the doors as well.

Which episode, if any, will you be reviewing the Vivaro-e/e-Dispatch/e-Expert??

Looking forward to seeing you test the new renault kangoo e-tech 2022!

I've not been back to Aberdeen in a couple of years, and the way Andy pronounces 'van' is making me so homesick.

I like this présenter. Knows his stuff doesn't talk too much

@stephanweinberger

3 жыл бұрын

except for the heatpump bit...

Of all the 'legacy' makers, I think Renault/Nissan are nailing it best, certainly making what seems like a genuine effort... I hope it pays off for them.

in wondering whats behind the old fuel filler cap on the side, whether its just a patched up hole or if it has a purpose

@DarkDutch007

3 жыл бұрын

probably where you fill it with fuel if you went for the paraffin heater version of the car? (where he talks about the 3 different versions: 3:22 - 3:44 ) and the bodyshell is the same as the ICE version.

@G-Cam1

3 жыл бұрын

On mine it is a 13 litre diesel tank for the factory fitted aux diesel heater👍👍

Good down to earth review

Andy doesnt know what the heatpump is for, in an other episode he didnt know that Amphour on a ev-battery has no information. Dont you give your hosts basic-ev courses?

@MrTytalus

3 жыл бұрын

I'm glad I'm not the only one who noticed that. The poor interviewee tried to correct Andy, but he still got it wrong. Now I'm not expecting Andy to be an expert of everything, but he really does need to know about these things before telling others. Andy, for your education and everyone else who isn't an eco-nerd like myself, (not every is or should be): a heat pump is a more efficient way of heating a vehicle by using the heat in the ambient air outside the car. It's the same idea as a fridge and freezer, and up to 400% as efficient as a resistive heater, so saving on the battery range.

I was offered a demonstrator Zoe 3 years ago and I would have gone for it.. except the Renault dealership had only ordered it with the 7 KWh charging. They were so out of touch they simply could not understand the need for rapid charging when a short range vehicle is used as a Taxi.

About the load versus range thing, I noticed the same with my electric moped. If I ride alone or bring a passenger, I hardly notice any range difference at all. Maybe one km or so.

Great van information

Being a Postie who uses an EV to get to from and from work, it is frustrating to have to jump into a Deisel Van to do 10 miles each day. Royal mail, in my view as an employee of 17 years, has been slow on the up take. I save just over a £1,000 a year on fuel costs alone, more if you include servicing. This Van would suit me just fine on my job only needing to charge once a week. Plus it could be used for training new staff, as our office has a fast turn over of staff, being a Postie is not for the faint harted. PS You need to put an over statement on this video, regarding charging on a 3 pin plug, or granny charger as pointed out below you got it wrong!!

@Hepsewind

3 жыл бұрын

This would also be quite an upgrade for the Belgian post office as we allready use the diesel Kangoo. Tho the would first need to fix the issue that some offices like mine dont have parking spaces to put the charger. We just park on the street

I have the same 33kw electric Kangoo I use for work. My main bug is the interior. The layout and controls are horrendous! If they sort that and CCS charging, it would be a great van. Other than that it's still a good van for short to medium journeys.

@marks-0-0

3 жыл бұрын

Same here. We have them on our fleet and i really like driving them but they have a long way to go yet. What annoys me is that the technology goes into the cars like the Zoe first leaving the vans a few years behind. I'd like to buy the 5 seater version for my personal use but I wouldn't dream of it until they are a better value package.

I'm interested in this as someone who transports disabled persons using wheelchairs.

The Kangoo strikes me as the perfect Uber privateer vehicle. Move people: no problem, luggage included. Contract for a day or so doing Amazon last-mile parcel delivery: no problem. It seems like a good all-rounder for the urban and exurban short hops driver.

Thanks.🙂

G’day mate, a question l need answering on all these vans is “how can l listen to the Fully Charged podcast in this van?” This is a must have. I will be transitioning to an E van in about 18months in Basingstoke.

When showing the Renault Kangoo, the charge-point in the nose was shown, but as he moved around to the rear door, he passed another little door. Was that where you would have put fuel in a regular version, or was that a second charge-point?

@Hepsewind

3 жыл бұрын

They just use the same body panels as the ICE version so there is nothing there

Used the electric kangoo at work for a couple of years. It's a cheap plastic rattly boring piece of shit. But I liked it despite that, because of the electric drive that makes it just snappy enough for city use that you don't constantly think about suicide while driving it. It's inexpensive enough for companies to consider buying it and that's its only redeeming feature.

@andymccabe6712

3 жыл бұрын

'Suicide'....??? It's a white VAN ffs........! A white box on wheels which you throw stuff in the back of....

@charlestoast4051

3 жыл бұрын

Yes, the only redeeming feature, along with the longer life of brake pads, motor and transmission, and overall greater reliability than any ICE vehicle. Lifetime cost for a van is more significant that initial cost, altho I look forward to the day EV's, including vans, are cheaper than their ICE equivalents. With battery prices as they are from the likes of CATL, I believe there is no reason EV's should be more expensive. You only need to look at EV prices in China to see that. That 33KWh battery pack should be costing Renault no more than $5000 at the most, and as little as $3500.

I worked for Meals on Wheels in a London borough back in the mid-2000s and we used to run Citroen Berlingo Electrique vans. I think their range on a full charge was 9 miles

Thank you.

Hi . Take a look at the ldv t60 electric pickup if you get a chance

Lack of Rapid charging eliminates this Van for a lot of users. Can you pay for CCS rapid charger option when ordered?

@anahatamelodeon

3 жыл бұрын

It would be nice as an option, but it makes sense to keep the price down. Unlike cars, it is very common, as in this example, for vans to have a very limited and specific working life that simply doesn't need long range.

Sorry but there should be a minimum of 250 range I know some of you will say the average daily drive isn't that but I can either put 50 miles or 300 miles in fuel and for them not to have rapid charging is stupid, and I'm sure the prices he said don't include vat as its commercial. I'm hanging out for a decent pickup with range and load with good towing, I will be glad to get an ev mainly for the simplitc running.

@RoadRashSpirit

3 жыл бұрын

Totally agree, I'm all for Ev's and many vans dont need a massive range which is fair. But when the chips are down there are still lots of vans running up and down the motorways everyday of all shapes and sizes. I completeley disagree with the ethos in the first two episodes in this series that electric vans dont need a lot of range. I'd have already bought a Kangoo maxi if it had a 250 mile real world range + rapid charger and I think fully charged should be pushing the industry to up there game rather than for us to lower our expectations. The zoe has a 60Kw battery now and there is no reason the kangoo shouldnt. All the electric gizmos in EV's are pointless for the average user...at least renault got that right.

Great chat with a real world user, seems a shame there isn't an 11/22 kW charging option each of which would be useful and not very costly.

Could be a proposition with fast charge upgrade,good, simple and practical.But a face only a mother could love.

14:25 the shorty is super cute!

If you charge at the front, then I'm guessing these are produced on a similar production line as the diesel version, as there's a small panel that looks like it would have the diesel filler cap behind it (see panel at 8:34 above the wheel arch). Unless that's used for something else?

@G-Cam1

3 жыл бұрын

It is for the auxiliary diesel heater.

@Hepsewind

3 жыл бұрын

both the outside and inside are the same on the diesel version. Those even have that eco button

When you gonna get the renault twizzy van on the show?

what was under the fuel filler cover ?

6.20 - 'How little the payload affects range' - It's simply the conservation of energy. It may be a heavier load, but the energy used to get it moving is recovered when you slow down in regeneration (less losses). Likewise, hills & mountains are not an issue for the same reason - you get the energy back, unlike an ICE. An EV with regen is ideal for mountainous areas, as a colleague from Switzerland can attest to.

Congratulations

As tradesman the Nissan Env200 is amazing too. (With rapid charging!).

@mcroft1234

3 жыл бұрын

I’ve had mine (40 kWh) for 2 years, current range 120 - 130 miles (0-5c).

I think it's worth putting into context: this is a fleet vehicle tied to a specific site. It doesn't have rapid charging but, for this application, it doesn't need it. It'll never do more than 100 miles in a day and it can always charge overnight. For, say, a tradesperson, the lack of rapid charging might be a deal-breaker, as there might be jobs that the van couldn't drive to and back in a day, but for this application and many others where they need a fleet vehicle to serve specific locations, it's not a deal-breaker. In my eyes, this van is based on hardware from the first-gen Zoe. Many of those didn't accept a rapid charge and were limited to ~100 miles range by smaller battery packs. At one level, it's a shame that the more sophisticated technology - bigger batteries, rapid charging, app integration etc. - isn't going into the vans but, as has been said several times, more stuff isn't better and a van needs to fit the job it's needed for. Older tech will be cheaper and more reliable and a lot of vans (particularly fleet vehicles) don't need >100 miles range or the ability to accept a rapid charge. It'll be interesting to see what the next generation electric Kangoo looks like - whether Renault add 3-phase charging, CCS rapid charging or maybe even V2G. Or whether they stick to their guns, keep the kit simple and lower the price.

Good and informative ... but is it just me, or is the audio quite low / muffled on this episode?

LOL, Renault UK web site to check the Kangoo driving range, temp only goes up to 25C. No driving range app on Aust site, as our temps today were 35C during the day & went down to 25 over night. .

Near the end, why was the van driving on the right?

@GreenJimll

3 жыл бұрын

I'm guessing "B roll" stock footage, possibly supplied by Renault? Lots of the cutaways were of a grey right hand drive version with what looked like French plates.

@grahamjohnson4702

3 жыл бұрын

Using stock footage due to limited outside filming due to covid. Why do people have to be so picky about these videos as it is about the Kangoo range not a test report as in a car/van review.

We have a farm and we often deliver our products to the supermarkets and small stores around our farm (max. 100km/tour) Also - we sometimes need to pull a trailer with 2t in it. Until now, I don’t know a van that can pull that kind of trailer. At the moment we are pulling the trailer with a VW Passat, I’d really love the Kangoo for its size and multi functional usage. But it can only pull bikes on the back 🤦🏻‍♂️ and the combustion engine kangoo can do the same as the VW Passat... If there was a car that could do it all in electric I‘d be down for it !! Still waiting patiently!! ☹️

We need season 2 of Viki (hope thats correct) goes elecrtric

Don't understand having the chargers on the front of vans... they can be a nightmare to get out of pull in spaces with no rear windows

This Renault is a van designed on an ICE chassis. We need a jump to vans designed from the platform up to be electric - say a van version of the ID.3 or the Leaf ( latter more likely for Renault).

@jolive3743

3 жыл бұрын

Arrival

So, gotta ask, what's behind the fuel filler-flap at the rear? (visible during the 'walk-around' segment ~8:25)

@leifhietala8074

3 жыл бұрын

Vestigial leftover from previous, ICE iterations of the same vehicle. Think of it as a vehicular appendix.

@mikeamor619

3 жыл бұрын

I believe there is nothing behind it. The body shell is exactly the same as a ICE Kangoo, and that includes the filler cover.

@DarkDutch007

3 жыл бұрын

probably where you fill it with fuel if you went for the paraffin heater version of the car (where he talks about the 3 different versions: 3:22 - 3:44 )

@logicalChimp

3 жыл бұрын

@@DarkDutch007 Ahh - good point.

@G-Cam1

3 жыл бұрын

It's a 13 litre diesel tank for the auxiliary heater in my one.. factory fitted option. It's like an Eberspacher. I run mine on red diesel as it's not for propulsion it's legal in the UK👍👍

I think one of the major benefits which I see overlooked and never discussed in E Van reviews is that people like myself who have Autism and have only an Automatic licence will in the future be able to work for tradespeople and also big name companies with my automatic licence which will meet employers Equality Act 2010 obligations and responsibilities for reasonable adjustments and inclusion which is excellent! However you might be thinking an petrol/diesel automatic van would cover that, which it does however with E Van we will see van manufactures likes this one demonstrated above bringing technologies such as autonomous driving which is found in Tesla's for example and mean that someone with learning disabilities who may find driving challenging vs a neurotypical this will unlock a hidden set of benefits for people who currently are unable to have a drivers licence and contribute to society fully as it stands right now. So what this will mean if you have a learning disability and want to work for say British Gas, Openreach or a Sparky or even a Plumber the employer will be able to comfortably give you the keys to your own van safe in the knowledge that it will be able to drive itself or heavily or partially assisted depending on how your disability effects you to your job safely and will also mean UK Government, DVLA and Drivers Medical Group will have confidence to allow more disabled people to earn a drivers licence and like I mentioned earlier contribute fully to society. So this is bloody amazing and provides me with hope and a light at the end of the tunnel that I can finally work with the likes of Openreach who only allow you join as field engineer with a manual driving licence as I can see the UK Government in the future banning the use of manual gas guzzling vans! So its win for the environment and win for inclusion!!!

Isn't there a new Kangoo coming just shortly?

@G-Cam1

3 жыл бұрын

No... They are stopping all ice versions though!

By the time you've specified this with the heat pumps, and the additional seats etc, you're not far off the price of a base Cybertruck, a rustproof, scratchproof, 6 seater, high tech, fast charging, off roading vehicle. When/if that ever comes to the UK it could revolutionise this sector.

@joaopmf

3 жыл бұрын

This one exists tho.

@MrGonzonator

3 жыл бұрын

@@joaopmf true. You're looking at end of 2021 earliest for US market, maybe a couple more years before they bother with the "Wolverine" version for Europe. Still it's soon enough to make you question investing in a new 3 or 4 year lease at the moment.

@GreenJimll

3 жыл бұрын

It'll only be useful in the UK if its sized for UK roads and parking spaces. From what I've seen of it online, it looks like another US land yacht.

@andymccabe6712

3 жыл бұрын

@@GreenJimll ..... and, of course, you have to remember that it looks COMPLETELY ridiculous!! ...like some discarded prop from a 1950s b movie set on the moon......!!!

@MrGonzonator

3 жыл бұрын

@@GreenJimll is it really that much bigger than the Ford Rangers and Mitzubishi L200s that I see everywhere here in the UK? Surely the European version will be closer to that sort of size?

Really enjoying the Van series but do feel you could afford to be more critical. The convertible crew cab will interest many people until they find out about the Kangoo's real Achilles heal; charging.This is a very basic spec for the money, especially when it only has 7kW charging, which removes a great deal of flexibility and making longer journeys impractical. Even if a longer journey is only 0.5% of your vehicle requirement this makes the Kangoo a poor choice and puts range anxiety back on the agenda.

10:20 loved the "pint of beer" reference, mode me laugh LOL, I have the same problem sometimes, after a few LOL

I would have thought the nissan e-nv 200 would have been better as it is also v2g ready! And it has 50kw fast charge

@G-Cam1

3 жыл бұрын

For me the Renault was just fine. Around £5k cheaper. And for me a better proposition.. Having driven both I bought the Kangoo. The Nissan is good too... But I personally prefer the Renault...

You had me at "bigger range is not always better"

Informative as always but I do have a gripe: I'm not sure what it is, the presenters bassy voice, his dialect which sounds a but muffled to me or imbalanced audio: I have to turn up the volume up to & 50% than my normal listening volume in order to clearly understand him and, by the, all the other audio cues and transitional music tear my eardrums apart. Could we look into this? Thank you.

@G-Cam1

3 жыл бұрын

Fit like?

@Trancefreakeh

3 жыл бұрын

@@G-Cam1 Sorry? :)

Perfect if it had the option for a 72 kw battery and fast charging. For people who wanted this and those who didn't. Love the simplicity of this van otherwise

Waiting for the passenger version....

@G-Cam1

3 жыл бұрын

It's available already as a crew cab?

@rugbygirlsdadg

3 жыл бұрын

@@G-Cam1 yeah, but apparently there a load of van-based small mpvs coming out this year. I currently drive a C4 grand picasso and I'm looking for something a little smaller but with the same flexibility.

Completely new kangoo line up for 2021 (and other vans models too), this one technology is very old in EV terms

Неплохой автомобиль Рено Кангу , очень надеюсь что электрокар Рено Кангу, будет работать гораздо лучше бензиновой версии , бензиновая версия очень сильно сбавляла скорость в жаркую погоду , включая кондиционер

I'd so buy this for my business if it had a rapid charger . Goodness, why didn't Renault put one in it when they were making it .

low volume.. had to turn it up compared to other videos

"embarrassingly small nubbins" turn signal lever 😂

👍🏻👍🏻👏👏👏👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👏👏👍🏻👏

I find this desperately disappointing. I really want to replace my VW T4 Campervan with an EV but it need to have way more range and fast charging. Really hoping that there is something in the next episode.

EV sales jumped from 1.5% to 6.5% last year, things are gonna get very quiet, very soon

Some days I'll do 10 miles. Some days I'll do 250 miles. As a contractor I cannot loose an hour to charge. I'll take an electric van and keep my deisel as a back up. But then again I cannot afford a 2nd hand electric. So therefore the government grant should allow contractors to have a discount applied to 2nd hand electric vans. Plus I'd need 3 days range to account for no office and no off road parking. Could be days before I could park at a point in the road where I could Install a 7kw charger could reach. I have approached medway council for help and solutions about reaching house to curbside from my house on double yellows with use of an opentable grate. The single roadside lamppost and making an EV only parking spot but they are silent.

If only it had some reasonable fast charging, it would be the answer to all those clamoring for a cheap EV, but who need an SUVs worth of cargo space.

Zero van's like this available in Canada. Sad.

There is so much room in the back you could install plenty of batteries.

@delboy7039

3 жыл бұрын

When the local florist/butcher/baker/candlestick maker does 50 miles a day, this is a great option..!

@julesl5850

3 жыл бұрын

"So much room in the back" that I carry around a 33kWh battery to supplement the 22kWh battery that's already fitted underneath.

@delboy7039

3 жыл бұрын

@@julesl5850 Sarcasm.? You could power a whole house with that much power....!

@julesl5850

3 жыл бұрын

@@delboy7039 Yes, you can power a whole house, or power a van to go twice the distance it used to go...?

That charging is a killer :( Should you forget or have an error with your charger, rapid charging is essential for most users. Not a problem where they have multiple vehicles.. not many are that lucky.

Great for a park not great for business no maps can charge quickly ,small payload.

It sounds like Rivian would be an ideal fit for the national park’s use case, rapid charging, vehicle to vehicle charging, passenger seating for five and cargo capacity along the lines of that van together with a couple hundred miles of range.

@mickwilson127

3 жыл бұрын

And a £100k price tag for a cash strapped quango

@stephenwensley9328

3 жыл бұрын

@@mickwilson127 more likely a lease cost of about 650 a month

Im waiting on my pair of Mach-E to get thier battery heaters installed since I knew Ford was full of shit about not needing them then I saw the cold weather testing. They should get closeish to the wife and daughters model 3's. Im essentially a beta tester for a company making stuff for the Mach-E. Im ok with it since I got them early and the company is paying my car note plus a bit extra on top 🤠

Thanks for the vid. Typical French car, missing the last mile (charging limitation)

@Wookey.

3 жыл бұрын

The Citroen Berlingo/Peugeot Partner has fast charging (Chademo). Also French, also a small van. And the larger Renault Master has DC quick charging too. The Kangoo is just old - it came out in 2011, just after the Leaf, although this 33kWh version was 2017 so not having a DC charging option was a bit of an omission by then.

@MrArnauda

3 жыл бұрын

@@Wookey. The new generation of the Peugeot Rifter and Peugeot Berlingo (and Opel/Vauxhaull Combo) are available soon with the same battery and charging as the e-208 with CCS, 50kWh battery and 50kW charging. Similarly, the new Renault Kangoo is also expected this year with up to date technology.

Rivian is a luxury product. I don't see how they have an effect on work vans. If you can afford to "work" your Rivian, you are not the mass audience that needs to be swayed to EV.

@Wookey.

3 жыл бұрын

Some vans are used the way Rivian is deisgned to be used: drive to the middle of nowhere to do a job - maybe stay there a few days. It's perfect as a camper base for example. Every commercial van so far is not much cop in this application. The 75kWh eVivaro is the cosest so far (200 miles on a good day). The eVito would be OK, but the bastards aren't selling it with the big (98kWh, 250mile+) battery they put in the EQV. But yes, this is not the van mass-market, which is why it's not being addressed yet. On the other hand there are plenty of subbies who do long distances too and aren't going to be at all impressed by current offerings. Maybe in a e-world there would be a bit less driving 200 miles to do a job and people will make a bit more effort to do local jobs/find local suppliers (My renderer this October was drving to Cambridge from Chesterfield to do a job, even though I booked the job from a guy who lives in Cambridge, but he subbed it (due to covid delays to be fair). It did seem ridiculous (and deeply un-green) two of them driving ~5 hours to do a 4 hour job).

The likes of chemists should use them for home delivery’s small but big enough for small bags of tablets etc

@snowstrobe

3 жыл бұрын

That seems a weirdly specific use to focus on, but ok...

@anthonyschofield6438

3 жыл бұрын

Week it’s ironic that chemists use diesel vans to deliver medicine too ILL people that’s why I think such a simple fix

checked the range chart about 91 miles at 60, sorry not for me.

Without rapid charging forget it. There is no way I would ever buy any vehicle without rapid charging.

@weetikissa

3 жыл бұрын

Distances are quite short in most parts of Europe so there will be buyers.

@delboy7039

3 жыл бұрын

When the local florist/butcher/baker/candlestick maker does 50 miles a day, this is a great option..!

@G-Cam1

3 жыл бұрын

I own one and the range and rate of charge suit ME perfectly. More Battery capacity means more expensive purchase price..

@matthewbaynham6286

3 жыл бұрын

@@fuckfannyfiddlefart the Leaf and the Zoe are both approximately 10 years old and both have done loads of fast charging, so there are plenty of cars that have been fast charging for a long time. If you have passively cooled batteries like the Leaf then after 8-10 years it's not so good and you might want a replacement. But then the van in this video has batteries which have proper battery management stuff going on like the Zoe and then you've got no problems.

10:53 Plug it into a 13amp plug, lets called it 3kW... to charge a 33kWh battery from completely empty, surely it would take 11 hours?

@pt6423

3 жыл бұрын

Your right but if you really want to be picky a 13amp domestic socket with portable charger only delivers 2.5Kw which calculates to almost 13 hours.

@nettlesoup

3 жыл бұрын

For continuous loads running off standard mains sockets, I understand electricians use the 80% rule. (I'm not an electrician though!) I understand all car granny charges operate according to this rule. It's different for dedicated charging equipment of course. So 13A × 240V × 0.8 = 2.5 kW 33 kWh ÷ 2.5 kW = 13.2 hrs assuming 100% efficiency. With 90% efficiency due to losses, 15+ hrs is sounding about right. For further safety, I believe some err on the side of caution and draw less, around 2.3 kW, presumably because you can't always rely on the quality of house wiring. Better a slightly slower charge than a slightly burning house wall!

@ColinRichardson

3 жыл бұрын

I've done a quick read on Google. Seems to depend on what cable you use. If you buy a 10amp cable, you get 10 amps. If you use 13amp you get 13 amp. Your house wiring will be standard Ring using a 32 amp fuse to protect the house. The fuse in the plug is to only protect the cable between the socket and the device. (And the device itself). Since we know the device (car) can handle 7kW, (type2) I think we can assume it can easily handle the 3kW

@Wookey.

3 жыл бұрын

@@pt6423 You can get a programmable one which will let you adjust the controlled current so you can leave it on 10A if you are not sure about the wiring quality, or turn it up to 13A if you know it can take it overnight.

@ColinRichardson

3 жыл бұрын

@@Wookey. if you were that unsure about the house wiring (worried 13 amps is too much for a ring that should take 32), I would recommend unplugging your toaster and vacuum right now and immediately call an electrician for a full house rewire as the cabling will be SOO old the insulation is prob turning to dust this very second .

I don't know why more E Vans coming to market don't have range extenders. They could really help reduce range worries.

@MrGonzonator

3 жыл бұрын

Defeats the purpose.

@grahamjohnson4702

3 жыл бұрын

Because they are mostly used for last mile deliveries.

@francesconicoletti2547

3 жыл бұрын

It’s already more expensive then a combustion car. Now you’re adding a petrol engine.

I think that not having CCS is a bit old hat. I was very interested in the Zoe van but Renault were totally clueless and useless, so they lost a sale.

@stephanweinberger

3 жыл бұрын

With a 30kWh battery CCS doesn't really make sense, charging at >1C will just fry the battery. A 3-phase AC charger would be a much better investment; 22kW or even just 11kW instead of 7 would be a huge improvement; and 3-phase plugs are already available in most businesses.

10:47 Andy gets his mental arithmetic wrong. A totally empty 33kWh battery will take 11 hours to charge from a 3kW (13A) domestic plug. A bit longer if the charger/socket is restricted to 2.4kW, but not "17-20 hours". And then tell us it won't charge overnight, when the guy already told you: they just plug it in to a boring 3kW plug and it fully charges overnight. Come on chaps/chapesses - don't keep stuff that's just wrong in the edit. Heh and Kevin knows about CANBUS but still doesn't know the difference between kW and kWh (or at least not when on telly) 11:25. Every other video some numpty gets this wrong. Familiarity doesn't seem to be helping.

@protectiongeek

3 жыл бұрын

I thought the 17-20 hours was a bit long but it isn't as simple as 33/3=11 either. Charging isn't linear from 0-ish% to 100%, particularly over the 80-100% part of charging, so more than 11 hours.

Good video! And great to see being used and national parks using them... but correct charging time (NT guy said it right) please, as 3 pin plug (around 3kw), will not take 18-20h for a 33kwh battery (that’ll be ~60kwh!!). More like 8-10h (if very empty)

100 miles in the winter? Yikes. I know its early version so it will get better, but ill pass and let early adopters deal with it. Love the form factor though

Jesus H. Christ. Thank Jesus for the ad blocker.

As a business owner and tradesman the range is terrible. What where they thinking? Minimum needed when working in different cities is 300 actual miles with 50-70% payload