The next instalment in this series is now available - just how broken is the cheapest electric van the UK has to offer? m.kzread.info/dash/bejne/houg086yitXcg6Q.html

I love my Electric Kangoo: virtually the same! . The range is crap but ideal for my work! I rarely go to a petrol station now! I love the simplicity: literally swapping a diesel engine for an electric motor and everything else stays the same! It is cold on winter mornings though! I enjoy the torque and smooth power-delivery without the step-change you get with gears! I am a gardener. My normal maximum range is 16 to 20 miles roughly: I am very happy to drive 'there and back' and simply plug-in when I get home. What I hate is having to go shopping at Tesco for 3 hours with it plugged into a 'Pod Point. My petrol car broke down so I had to drive to Tring from London: I took a wrong turn on the way back and got very worried that I would not make it home but I drove like an old lady and managed to add an extra 30% range by doing so and had 6 miles to spare! Weird experience!

The interesting thing about this for me is that it allows you to be more flexible if you’re going to buy this as a second vehicle. I can see myself using this to take my tandem to riding events and so on. Usually they’re only about 60 miles total round-trip. Normally we stop at the motorway services on the way back for food anyway. However just to be able to chuck my tandem in something like this would mean that the main electric car I’m going to buy could be smaller and therefore cheaper. So you could certainly save the cost of the van by being able to buy a cheaper primary electric vehicle. Really enjoyed the video as always, thanks so much for this.

@erikrochelmeyer5329

2 жыл бұрын

I have the exact same van with the exact same range: 6o miles would be stressful! You would have to drive like an old lady all the way there and back!

We've vot lots of these at work but we only use them in a closed environment not on the highway. I love mine and would have Kangoo MPV version personally when the next generations are released.

Will be good to see how it works for you, very interesting, no one is looking at the second hand market, well done 👍

I'm going to miss your jumpers once it gets warmer. interesting vid, I'd never heard of these

I think for what you need great. I was thinking about a crew cab maxi version of one of these as a microcamper conversion but a) the battery rental puts me off b) £6k is pretty normal for only 22kw which is poor value for money. c)no one currently offering range extension options like muxsan unlike the env200 and d) no rapid charge but since you got this for buttons in EV terms, well done.

It will be interesting to see how this goes, and how you get on with Renault Finance/Dealers if you have an issue with the battery under warranty. I can't help thinking that actually getting work done will either never happen as it will stay above a quite low limit or that they use some sort of betterment argument if things look costly for them.

Excellent run-around, I would have one too.

GoGreen Autos have a good selection of ex lease and second hand vans. They are near Abingdon. They also post a lot of general info videos on here. I've not had a van but I'm on my second electric car. First was a Renault Zoe i model ( battery owned). You can also buy out the battery lease now.

I had a 1.2 Renault kangoo MPV, I called it the blue snail it was dangerously slow when fully loaded. But I liked it because I could take the rear seats out and throw bikes camping gear the lot in it. I think a long wheelbase version in MPV spec would be a excellent family ev. On another note I can imagine this will always be worth a couple of grand because of the classic car ev conversion scene.

@ModernHeroes

3 жыл бұрын

Strangely I don’t think they make the MPV version in electric form! They do the crew van but it’s still a commercial. Odd.

@dg115

3 жыл бұрын

@@ModernHeroes maybe Dacia will use the platform to make one in the near future. Personally I'd keep the battery lease agreement at that price. Could be useful if you need to sell it on.

You are becoming the British electric answer to Tyler Hoovie.

@ModernHeroes

3 жыл бұрын

That’s the plan 😂 although without his budget, charisma, storage space or tame mechanic it might be a struggle.

@kylereese4822

3 жыл бұрын

@@ModernHeroes No reason not to learn how to rebuild a new battery for it and other older EV`s...

I will be making the switch to electric but when the technology catches up and the are more charging ports around the country it’s just not quite there yet

I woud like it for car boot sales good price for what you payed and if you are just going around town it's great

I'm a tempted by a Kangoo Z.E since it would cover 95 percent of my trips. I can charge at home, the range is more than enough for my short commute as well as to visit my family and friends living 5-20 miles away. And I would have quite some use for the loading capacity. But with the current price it still has a hard time to compete with an old normal ICE car and a lot of trips within the town can and are replaced by bike and motorcycle.

Hi, are you still using it? Where can I see the ev battery repair services thanks

Just looked on autotrader and there are plenty of diesel versions of similar age and milage where they want the same money. So the "electric prenium" on this is the £25 a month lease - but no tax and MOT, which would be about £18/20 a month. Financially, given the savings on electricity v Diesel this is a no brainer for someone like a small tradesman who drives to a site, plugs it in and 8 hours later unplugs it and goes home. In the UK very few such folk would take on a job more than 50 miles away - I've had plumbers based in the next town over refuse to quote because they 'don't go so far for jobs' (and that's 20 miles away). I'll be interested to see what the issues are that made this one so cheap.

@ModernHeroes

3 жыл бұрын

Definitely has its place for someone that doesn’t travel that far from base. Not sure about the possibility of plugging it in whilst working but you never know. More on its issues coming soon! 👀

would £25 last a month in diesel?- thats got to be a real world comparison + as you said warrenty & recovery included

I have an older version that cost £3500. Battery was rubbish. As it was under 75% of power they replaced its. Now it’s our main van after diesel van engine failed.

@ModernHeroes

3 жыл бұрын

Interesting stuff - how bad was it range wise before you had them sort it?

@gwyningman2302

3 жыл бұрын

@@ModernHeroes about 35 miles about 65% they argued that the cut-off line before replacing battery was 65% and at first they wouldn’t do it. As that’s what Renault told them. However the agreement I had with Renault finance for leasing the batteries was 75%. Had other problems with it before then as it would not communicate internally. Turned out to be a bit of corrosion on a information loom that was an easy fix once they found it. I also have a Renault twisty that is currently in repair as the brakes were holding tight. This reduced the range and I took it in for the battery to be tested but it tested at 96%. The brake repairs are costing me £800+

@ModernHeroes

3 жыл бұрын

@@gwyningman2302 sorry to hear about the costly repairs on the Twizy but your fleet sounds pretty legendary! 🥰. I really want a Twizy!

@gwyningman2302

3 жыл бұрын

@@ModernHeroes I also do delivers in my MG ZS EV and my wife drives a Tesla as she knows likes to be poss. We stopped using Dino Blood in all our Vehicles now.

Hi what kind of weight would it carry before it struggles, I’ve got a diesel bipper converted to coffee shop I’m thinking of upgrading to electric Regards Bob

@ModernHeroes

3 жыл бұрын

Payload is 640kg - I have no idea what impact it’ll have on range or performance if it were to be fully loaded though!

@Robert-yb3gm

3 жыл бұрын

@@ModernHeroes hi thanks for your reply it’s much appreciated, if you’re thinking of selling your electric van please get in touch

i woukd love a kangoo electric but they are not cheap ip here west scotland,5k up here rediculous , your so lucky getting so cheap, yes 3kw charge was normal then . wouldnt use as main vehicle , love kangoo, find me one cheap please :)

As you say, as long as it does what you need it was cheap as chips for an electric van.

Being a van I am surprised it has such as low on-board charger. A vehicle that is used to earn a living from should have had a larger charger.

@ModernHeroes

3 жыл бұрын

Definitely - I guess the French postal service are a bit more chilled 😆. The newer 33kWh model has a 7kW charger but still no rapid charging!

@paulinchris

3 жыл бұрын

@@ModernHeroes The French aren’t known for being rapid!

@ModernHeroes

3 жыл бұрын

@Forfariano most businesses that only travel a few miles from their base do so over and over again in the working day though! I agree there are some excellent use cases for shorter range electric vans like this but it’s inability to be recharged quickly during the working day could be a serious bottleneck for some.

@paulinchris

3 жыл бұрын

@Forfariano Parcel delivery vans tend to travel more than 10 miles from base and cover a lot of miles in a day.

@dereknicol5284

3 жыл бұрын

My eNV200 is an ex-business van but they didnt option either 7kw or Chademo (i dont know what they used it for). It claims an 80 mile range on the gom but from experience its good for towns 20 miles away and back. I had a road closure/detour on one of those trips and nearly didnt make it.

why you didn't buy the Nissan env200?

@ModernHeroes

3 жыл бұрын

Cheapest one of those on Autotrader is about 4x the price this was.

It would be OK for local work for me.

been offereed a 2012 one with rented battery for £2500, what you think?

@ModernHeroes

2 жыл бұрын

As long as it works, it’s worth every penny at that money. The battery lease is no big deal, it’s only £25+VAT/month. Going to talk about the battery lease in great detail in a video fairly soon, keep an eye out.

@lookoutleo

2 жыл бұрын

@@ModernHeroes thanks for your reply, its the older shape front, is it same as yours every other way then? so is yours rental battery to? in oban where i live theirs not much in line of free chargers yet, no podpoint. but could charge on the 5p at night. do these vans have granny charge to?

@ModernHeroes

2 жыл бұрын

@@lookoutleo as far as I know it’s just the front end that’s different, interior etc should be the same. My one is a leased battery, right enough. They will charge on a granny charger, mine came with one but I don’t know if they were standard equipment - you can buy one for £150 or so from Screwfix, if not.

@lookoutleo

2 жыл бұрын

@@ModernHeroes would that be 13a plug to type 2 ? i'll see if he will take bit less as i'm not vat regestered so cant claim it back , i have leaf 30 for longer journeys :) got it for 5k

@ModernHeroes

2 жыл бұрын

@@lookoutleo yeah that’s right, 13A to T2. As I say, my van came with one but I don’t know if the previous owner bought it separately or what. £5k for a Leaf 30 is a bloody bargain, I would have one at that as a stand in for my recently departed MG no bother!

I'm thinking Brewsters Millions.

" I've done something a little bit stupid... again!" Yes, I think you have!

I recommend you join a Fluence group to see what RCI genuinely do when it comes to battery warranty. *Spoiler* They'll do nothing except continue to take money.

@ModernHeroes

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah I’m not exactly hopeful - their average response time by email just for setting up the agreement is about a week 🙄

@sandyritchie287

3 жыл бұрын

@@ModernHeroes Yup they are slow at getting you setup to pay, even slower to help.

get shut of the company name (unless its yours) but the stipes they gotta stay!

@ModernHeroes

3 жыл бұрын

The sign writing will be coming off shortly - I was planning on removing it all though 🤔

@robertsedgwick1629

3 жыл бұрын

@@ModernHeroes nah leave the eco-warrior-smug-bastid stripes for xtra smug bastidness! lol😇

what you mean MOT exempt ?

@ModernHeroes

3 жыл бұрын

Some electric vans are MOT exempt, this is one of them 👍

@chrisbailey1966

3 жыл бұрын

It's a hangover from milk floats, first use before March 2015 for commercials less than 3500KG.

@nickevans7049

3 жыл бұрын

@@ModernHeroes wow nice one

@dereknicol5284

3 жыл бұрын

@@ModernHeroes Are you sure it still is?.. i thought they had closed that loophole. I have a 64 reg eNV200 combi and i believe that they used to be MOT exempt but it isnt now.

@ModernHeroes

3 жыл бұрын

Yes I’m sure it still is - it’s still listed as one of the qualifying criteria on the form for applying for MOT exemption. This van has never had a MoT and I’ve just taxed it as the new keeper.

which 360 camera do you use?

@ModernHeroes

3 жыл бұрын

It's a Praktica Z360 - I'm returning it to Amazon because of how terrible it is..... Definitely wouldn't recommend but there's a reason it was 1/4 the price of the camera I should've bought! The main shots in this video (when I'm facing the camera) are from a DJI Osmo Pocket, which I haven't tried windscreen-mounted before.

@capitanorex2771

3 жыл бұрын

@@ModernHeroes ah. But are you able to get the vlog picture and the road picture with one cam?🤔

@ModernHeroes

3 жыл бұрын

A better quality 360 camera would be able to - something like the Insta360 One X2. They’re not cheap though.

@davidsworld5837

3 жыл бұрын

i can see the line and the picture quality changes to not a good picture. its nice to have a wider shot but it looks too off

@ModernHeroes

3 жыл бұрын

@@davidsworld5837 yeah I know, I’ve sent that camera back today!

so when will we get the 1000 mile challenge. and how long it will take to do hehe. an interesting miles to kWh empty and with weight in. I would be more silly paying 25 month 300 year if going to do very few miles. since the van only charges at a very slow speed then you are not going to stress the batteries and so have them fail and paying quiet a bit and the cost of battery replacement for such a small battery now can not really be that much. I wonder if you could fit a larger battery into it to give it better mileage figures. I think re-vanish the wood in the back, knock out the dint in the door, and get rid of the advertising unless that company will pay you to advertise for them. the van is no tourer holiday small camper van which is more a pity but since it has age what is it looking like under does it show rust how are the parts holding up dont forget many people image of any ev is that after 5 years then its dead and need new battery or is total scrapyard item its always good to prove them wrong

@ModernHeroes

3 жыл бұрын

😂 it would take days to cover 1000 miles. Literally days. Loaded vs unloaded test could be interesting though.

@davidsworld5837

3 жыл бұрын

@@ModernHeroes thats why i put hehe after the 1000 mile challenge. but a lot of people are put off by range and see it as a big downside since you have a short range do videos to prove it works and range is NOT the issue its peoples ideas that are wrong. yes this van may not be for every business but other vans are market that now do more miles so may be better for others we are the teachers we need to show them it can work and why there are far too many negative people and companies that refuse to accept change

AT LONG LAST SOMEONE SPEAKIN UP FOR THOSE OF US WHO NEED TO DRIVE A VAN 500 MILES EVERY DAY. I live in the Yukon, 480 miles from the nearest electrical outlet, and I have to haul half a ton of moose feed every day (livin in the Yukon as I do...) A Honda e might do just fine for those fancy yuppies who live downtown. But us real men and lumberjacks are real... I mean to say, we need real tools. Subscribed, good to know ya.

It’s french.......enough said.

It's funny how all those guys with electronic cars or vans they try so hard to sell shit I bought my kid one those toy cars last Christmas and that crap as well

@ModernHeroes

3 жыл бұрын

Any chance you can try writing that again in English so whatever point you’re trying to make might stand a chance of being understood?

@dannyharty3656

3 жыл бұрын

@@ModernHeroes im sorry but living in Ireland the Irish government is trying to push that elec shit on us all if you want one that's fine but it's not for me

@rogerhargreaves7726

3 жыл бұрын

Come on man! there are massive advantages with electric vehicles. Do you want everyone to just carry on burning diesel?

Have you noticed how people pushing EV’s keep telling us to stop and charge and have a coffee and doughnut. Two things 1. Don’t like coffee and doughnuts, to much fat 2. Stopping every 150 miles to rest is a good idea, I tend to travel long distances with my wife who drives. So stop to change drivers and off, my EU6 diesel carries 600 miles of fuel in the tank. Giant leap backwards.

@ModernHeroes

3 жыл бұрын

🙄

@levelUpJosh_

3 жыл бұрын

Research hasn't stopped on range issues. The companies recognise these issues as much as anyone else. You will likely still have to take a break for some time but the gap between necessary stops will continue to increase

@JohnSmith-bx8zb

3 жыл бұрын

@@levelUpJosh_ and until many, many more EV charges are in place Queues. Hydrogen is the way forward

@levelUpJosh_

3 жыл бұрын

@@JohnSmith-bx8zb this is somewhat true but supply largely matches demand right now. We haven't arrived at any occupied charger yet and hundreds of new points are being installed each month

@JohnSmith-bx8zb

3 жыл бұрын

@@levelUpJosh_ any thoughts on this extra load on the grid and distribution network?

Quite simply the worst EV in History. No regen, basic outdated and pathetic range, horrible in winter and battery depletes at an alarming rate. AVOID. Needs at least 10 hours to charge.

@ModernHeroes

Ай бұрын

A basic van is basic? Wow, hold the front page.

A caged rear!.......Handy to transport Sturgeon to prison ( no vat in the Isle of Man)

@ModernHeroes

3 жыл бұрын

Only if the prison is

electric crap💩💩💩