I wanna hear a fourth valve trill with that.

@zaraak323i

4 жыл бұрын

I came here to say that.

"In my left hand" *switches hands* "Now in my right hand" comedy gold

@yoavshati

4 жыл бұрын

It's from one of Victor Borge's jokes, right?

Great video. It is nice that my cornet can hang on your wall instead of lying in my closet... Bought if as a novelty, and I have never used it more than trying it out. It looks far better on your wall of many instruments than hidden away at my place. William the man from Norway. 🎺

@TrentHamilton

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you once again :)

@AnnoyingNewsletters

5 ай бұрын

Thanks William 🙂 I just learned about the Echo Cornet a few minutes before watching the video, so you definitely helped illustrating what a unique niche/novelty instrument this is. _Lovingly carved into it with a chainsaw..._ 😅😂

The only time I've seen an echo cornet in performance, it was in the hands of the trumpeter in a mariachi band. There were songs originally written for two trumpets in a call-and-response style, and he would use the echo cornet on those, and play the second trumpet part through the echo bell. The part that probably made it work better is that he had a full size second bell and a proper mute, so there were no weird intonation issues beyond what the mute caused. I am willing to bet the full second bell was salvaged from another instrument and then retrofitted to the echo cornet, but it did solve the problem. I could also see this being useful in a pit orchestra, such as on a Broadway show. Sometimes the instrument changes and mute insertions can be brutal, and then someone starts editing out bits of the show and you find yourself with zero switch time.

The only use I can think of is as a talking point on one's wall of many things

@cliffordbrown1135

4 жыл бұрын

Have you heard AlpineEchoes played by the late Harry Mortimer. That I think is regarded as the classic. Not of course played on an instrument made in India!

@demonnohalo8458

4 жыл бұрын

What makes that company so bad?

I WAS JUST LOOKING INTO ONE!!! (sidenote- that terrible SAI Musical Inc also has one in stock)

@bikkies

4 жыл бұрын

My own collection of brass unfortunately includes the SAI echo abomination. I wouldn't wish it on my worst musical enemy.

Hello Trent. Former US Army bandsman here. On military holidays like Veterans Day and Memorial Day, it's fairly common for "Echo Taps" to be played by two trumpeters, with the echo player standing some distance away. (My interpretation is that the echo represents a response from those who didn't get to come home.) I've heard of military units with a single duty bugler where a variation would be played on an echo cornet or similar double-bell instrument with the echo muted. Obviously a purely ceremonial niche, but one that makes more sense to me than other ceremonial instruments like herald trumpets.

Not going to lie, I thought my headphones broke the first time Trent used the second bell valve

I know an instrument repairer who used parts from one of these Indian echo cornets to make a Getzen echo cornet. He used the fourth valve and the echo mute and added them to a Getzen cornet. It worked well.

Cool! I have never seen one of those.

@trenchiano

4 жыл бұрын

wait a minute

@micah_wong

4 жыл бұрын

@@trenchiano he's a patron, he gets early access

@frankwankerl7021

4 жыл бұрын

No he’s not a patreon supporter. He just transcends time.

Love it. i get to learn much while laughing nearly the entire time :) The chainsaw inscription and the dung plow valve caps got me big time lol

hi trent, watching your videos for a while has gotten me to pick up a trumpet yesterday! thank you for inspiring me!

@TrentHamilton

4 жыл бұрын

That's awesome!

Interesting. The echo growth sounds like a cornet with grandma’s old unwashed socks stuffed into the bell. Could we start calling that a register, like registers on organs? And could we have more? I mean, how about a cornet with many registers?

An older fellow in town band I know has one of these restored from the 1920's. The only times I saw him use it were to play the Vanished Army by Kenneth Alford so he could play the muted heralds as well as the main melody. Quite fascinating to see trent's take on the instrument!

I really like this instrument and the mellophonuim😍

it seems to do the same job as a double bell trumpet with less versatility. with one of those, you can use whatever mutes you want.

@losgatossonmuychidos

3 жыл бұрын

jarper hones it’s much cheaper tho

This seems cool. Also could be good for practicing like in an apartment or where ever you can't make a lot of noise

I have long marveled at the extent of your wonderful collection, not only at the scope of what you have, but also the amount of money it must represent. Wow!

what a beautiful instrument

Music request for testing instrument: tuba mirum trombone solo from mozart requiem.

Novelty is right on, nice display piece for inquiring minds.....

Can't believe it had never crossed my mind that such a thing might exist! Even if there isn't much music written for the thing, the very idea is inspiring! Someone should write something for it! I'm sure I'm not the only one who has failed to get his Harmon mute ready in time over a quick mute change!

I feel like these might have some interesting uses for jazz players if it didn’t have such atrocious build wuality

Ah, how interesting! When I saw the title here, it piqued my interest immediately. I'm an organist, and the "echo cornet" is a somewhat uncommon (these days anyway) stop you'll find on some organs. Possibly more commonly in North German/Dutch organs of the baroque era? That may be pulled right out my arse though. At any rate, this video illustrates quite clearly where the nomenclature for that stop came from. A "cornet" is a combination stop extremely common and necessary for quite a lot of organ repertoire, but it can tend to be a rather loud voice, meant for monody/solo voice above a softer accompanying stop combination. The reason for this is that it isn't actually just one rank of pipes, but rather typically a combination of 4 to 5 pipes at different pitch levels along the overtone series which, when combined in proper tune, produce a fairly loud, sometimes piercing sound that is roughly analogous to the sound of the orchestral cornet itself. Roughly. Anyway to the point here, the stop we have called the ECHO cornet is usually just a much smaller scale combination of ranks that effectively produces a tamer, quieter sound of approximately the same timbre. Some organs, especially in the more modern traditions of building, have an entire division/department called an "echo," usually mounted as an antiphonal extension on the opposite side of the room, where you're quite likely to find an echo cornet stop. So I've known many organists who assume that it was labeled as such simply because it's in the "echo" department. However that same department is more often called simply the antiphonal department, but you'd still see an echo cornet stop (if indeed you see one at all). TL;DR: this video gave me a wonderful bit of worldly context as to the orchestral progenitor of a fairly uncommon stop I've encountered as an organist, which is typically voiced as a combination of pipes that produce a tone somewhat analogous to a muted cornet, in contrast to the very very common cornet stops that feature prominently as more powerful solo stops in the organ world which are roughly analogous in timbre to an actual cornet. Thanks for sharing your collection with us. And fond greetings from the other side of the globe, from a wee displaced Scottish organist under lockdown in America where everything's gone ass over teakettle. Stay well, mate, and keep up the interesting videos about the wonderful world of brass instruments!

@TrentHamilton

4 жыл бұрын

Hi Dallas, what you may not know is that I'm also a keen (but very amateur) pipe organ player too. The organ Cornet is usually a five rank combination stop (I personally am not a fan of anything with a tierce in it), and isn't related to the cornet as in brass band cornet (IE: what this video is about). The organ cornet is thought to imitate the cornett or zink - a much older instrument.

So many players when presented with the option of a second bell immediately jump to the idea of using said bell for a mute or echo effect. The Echo Cornet simply cuts out the middle man and allows to player to realize the error of his (or her) ways. Truly a brilliant instrument.

@jegowysokoscskadyktatorwad3873

2 жыл бұрын

what error?

Nice video Trent. :) Over the years I've heard a number of cornet soloists use an echo cornet for novelty numbers with band here in the UK, especially "Alpine Echoes" by Bail Windsor. I guess these players were playing very old British models by Besson etc. I believe these were in production until around 1920. A friend of mine has a similar pre-war American double bell euphonium where the second bell has a kind of muted trombone sound. (Edit: I've just seen your video with the 1910 double bell Conn euphonium. :) )

I just saw that on Amazon...glad you have a video on it!

The intro contest results are killing me

@mason11198

4 жыл бұрын

I doubt he'll pick my trombone quartet thingy but I nevertheless want to know :(

@nandocordeiro5853

3 жыл бұрын

@@mason11198 no

@mason11198

3 жыл бұрын

@@nandocordeiro5853 yes I and 1000s have been made well aware almost a year ago thanks for the reminder

I once heard Alpine Echos played on Harry Mortimer very own Echo cornet, amazing experience.

My speculation is that it would serve best in a marching band situation where one wouldn't necessarily want to faff about with a separate mute. Or as you demonstrated with Taps, in a sombre situation like a military funeral, messing around with a mute _might_ be a distraction for the mourners. Speaking of which, the military does have _mock trumpets,_ that look the part but electronically play a recording of Taps, for use at funerals because of not every *_company_* having a *_bugle boy_* any longer.

Mark Wilkinson of the Fodens Brass Band in Sandbach, Cheshire, England is known to play one. Harry Mortimers original instrument actually. He uses it to play Harry's novelty solo 'Alpine Echoes'

Ok, so I know this is an old video and all that but I just found it... As a retired Army guy and a former trumpet player (at different points in my life), the bit with playing taps at the end really got me. I've played that at funerals both solo and with an echo, and honestly if I'd had the option to do it like that on the solo ones and still keep the echo effect I would have done it in a heartbeat. I know it's a niche market, but one of these that would actually play in tune would have been amazing

Sir Trent: You may not see this since the video was posted some time ago, but my comments below reflect one has found a unique application for this instrument. I am one who plays the tune Taps for military burials and special occasions. For burials, I use a high-end trumpet that has an incredible sound. For special occasions, I got hold of this one instrument and have found that it fits this unique niche quite well. These special occasions have seen the echo effect of Taps come through powerfully. I have not needed to work with another trumpeter. This was a wonderful idea. The cost has been acceptable. Thanks. PS: ONLY the last note is echoed from the appropriate "trio" parts.

@TrentHamilton

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for your comment. This seems like an appropriate use case for one of these instruments. Even better because with Taps you don't have to use the valves.

Love the sarcasm , thank you.

I wonder if half pressing the fourth valve would sound like a blend between the two bells or if it just sounds muffled.

I'd use it in a piece that has a section written as if it has an 8th dotted delay on it. Have one corner play normally, And the one with the mute thing play the same thing an 8th dotted behind for a great delay sound.

Hi Trent, while it IS a very niche instrument, I can see a position that it may have filled well. I was part of a duo where I played the xylorimba, and acted as the 'band' for a musician who played flugel horn, cornet, or trumpet depending on the song. We did mainly 60's stuff but through in the odd 80s, 90s, 00s, and 10s stuff. Sadly the brass player died before his time. We typically busked (though once one the TBL Duet Contest at the state champsionships). During pieces as just 2 players, I often swapped mallets, and he swapped instruments mid piece etc. and with this instrument (or a similiar one) being able to change timbre to quickly differentiate between backing vocals and primary melody would have been possibly handy! As a percussionist I can't say, but in the persussion world we have so many weird and wack things, often held in place with duct tape (lol but true) that I can see we may have used this. NB: For my final concerto in the final exam for my master of music (performance) I found a tuna can chat would wedge underneth a timpanis pedal and thus allow me to do a VERY chick change without needing to look at the gauge, as it jammed it in the right place. I defeinitely agree it's a niche, and maybe not a called for niche, but I applaud the designers of instruments like this because although not commercially succeful, sometimes they are JUST what somebody wants! By the way, love you videos. Now as a professional arranger not a player, these help my crank out 'okay enough' arrangements of pop songs that are pretty much sight-readable for 'community bands' but sound half decent. I play the baritone myself in spare time and to work out how hard the 'quick' passages' would be and maybe choose a key that makes fingering easier on the recreational musicians, and are never bored with your vids... they have helped me out produce professional arrange 'drafts' greatly (their expert finishes them and slaps his name on them)!

The only possible piece that I know of which might call for an echo cornet would be Echo Waltz by Edwin Franko Goldman. I played a brass band arrangement of Echo Waltz which featured 3 double bell euphoniums.

that intro gives me chills everytime

As a trombone player who has frequently struggled with mutes, this seems like a great idea. Both in pit orchestras and concert bands, I have seen mute changes that are too fast to be done smoothly. If you are a composer, I want to tell you now that 2 seconds is not enough to change a mute!! Trombones require 2 hands to play, so when I've had fast mute changes like this, I have occasionally taken to holding the mute between my knees just so I can make the change as fast as possible. And when the fast change is removing the mute, there is always a chance that one of the trombone players will drop the mute, making a huge commotion. So, it is very strange to hear Trent keep saying "I have no idea why ...." To be fair, a trumpet or cornet can easily be played with one hand, so the mute changes can be much quicker, but even for trumpets, I feel like this could really be useful.

Excellent humor

Italian Rhapsody!! We were going to play that for my last concert my senior year but school got cancelled because of the corona virus!😫

Very cool. I wish I played the cornet so I could want one.

Loving that intro music

Interesting to hear how to disassemble the 4th valve. My SAI monstrosity has not even been out of its smelly case since I did that video all those months ago. Mine audibly differs from your example in that your one is a lot quieter when run through the secondary "bell". No doubt I could play softer but if I were going to vary my pressure in a trill or otherwise rapidly oscillate between the normal bell and the bolted-on scooter exhaust assembly, it would be quite the pain. I also remember my SAI being some weird leadpipe diameter and not taking either a standard cornet mouthpiece or a standard trumpet one. Is yours the same?

@TrentHamilton

4 жыл бұрын

Hi Graham, yes, the leadpipe is larger than a normal cornet one, but it's fairly close. I can make my normal large bore cornet mouthpieces fit.

What about the music contest video, was none of them good? Edit: there's an update. Sucks I didnt get close, but whatever

Oh man! Napoli was the piece I played for the College Audition. That's ironic ☠️. I didn't meet David Child's standards. But now I'm more determined!

When you want an echo effect but you're on your own

Hey Trent! I recently discovered the Euphonium Concerto by Paul Mealor, and it really is a beautiful piece. For me its almost on the same level as the Ralph Vaughan-Williams Tuba Concerto. I would be so interested in your thoughts on it and maybe you can even do a video about it.

👍The Bb Echo Cornet can be purchased new, including a mouthpiece and a hard case, on Amazon from $150 (US) to $181(US)! 😊 🎺 🎶

That is very cool.

Interestingly enough, my euphonium uses top spring valves similar to the ones on my trump (only larger of course).

Cool, now I'm left wondering if other instruments have employed this feature as well as how practical it would be on lower brass

Seen several of them online, but as you say never made by a quality instrument maker.

I believe that I saw a tuba with this sort of thing a couple of years back

In 8 years of playing a trumpet through school, only once was a mute ever called for. I still have 2 kinds of mutes, though I've never really needed them.

India’s instruments may be bad but hey they’re consistent

These things were all over eBay a couple years ago. They're kinda cool, but I'm glad I didn't get one

1:20 _This growth here..._ _Is it a tumor?_ It's not a tumor. _It could be a tumor._ *_IT'S NOT A TUMOR!_*

These instruments are so beautiful, yet they have no purpose worth their cost

Wall of many things? It should be hung on the wall of shame XD!

I have often wondered if there was a way to play true chords on a brass instrument. I wonder if this horn could be adapted by changing the fourth piston in this horn to split the airstream between the two "bells", making a custom bell and pushing the air through a reed or some other sound generator (o into a microphone and using it as an oscillator to run through a synth) to raise, lower, or change the note to produce an actual two (or three with a polyphonic synth) chord. Any thoughts?

It might be quite interesting to hear Flight of the Bumblebee with it, though likely taxing on the player.

Not that I can think of any specific examples but this would be pretty handy for poor orchestrations where you only have a couple of bars in 2 at tempos upwards of 170 to get a mute in or out. Not that it’d be strictly necessary, just handy. And seeing as the secondary bell is removable you could design and make other secondary bells relatively easily (either with improved intonation, analogues for different mutes maybe some different blown percussion effects) could be a great playground for a new brass avant-garde. If you made a modified valve you could even split the air instead of completely diverting it and have the options to add harmonics.

When you’re too lazy to apply a mute in the normal way but super motivated to add a valve and extra bell to your instrument.

Are there different versions of Taps? The one we play in the US has even eighths in the middle, not dotted eighth-sixteenths.

@trainliker100

4 жыл бұрын

There is one correct way to play taps. Even eight notes for notes 7, 8,10, 11, 13, and 14. Watch it played at actual military funeral honors (not TV or movies) and that's what you will hear.

@majcrash

4 жыл бұрын

@@trainliker100 That's what I thought. I was wondering if it changed over the years as some songs do.

Alpine Echoes. Great old British Standard. Recorded by Philip McCann

At some point there will be so many instruments in this room that we wont be able to see this man, he'll be drowning in his own pool of brass instruments.

"Growth "

Good review. Another thing i noticed was thst the open cornet side wasn't mellow enough for my liking. Sounds a little too much like a trumpet instead of a cornet.

Stolen from Foden's Heritage Website: One of the most famous cornet solos for the Echo Cornet is 'Alpine Echoes' written by Basil Windsor (who was in fact the Pseudonym of Eli Smith a music teacher from Manchester) who composed Alpine Echoes for Harry Mortimer to play.

A real whisper key

Alpine Echoes is the main piece for echo cornet.

Hey Trent Hamilton I have a echo cornet

@mason11198

4 жыл бұрын

Nice!

@nandocordeiro5853

3 жыл бұрын

Asked

I'd guess the main advantage over a mute would be aesthetic.

Are there any other instruments with a built-in echo mute? I'd love to try a sax 🎷 with one. Can put the valve for it in the left thumb placement, like going from Open G to F on a Clarinet.

I love IT😝

"Lovingly etched on with a- chainsaw,"

Mr brother got me this exact cornet a few years ago I think it’s from India and side note is currently broken and needs to be fixed.

do they make one where the 2nd bell is normal? then you could put whatever mute in the 2nd bell that you like

Dope

Found out what I'm saving up for now

Hi Trent, I'd please like to know what song that is because I think it would sound good on a tuba. Thanks

Is it keyed in Bb like other cornets?

Please tell me what song he plays in the beginning.

and here’s how crown 2019’s brass feature happened

Do I spy a new flugelhorn by where the echo cornet goes on the wall?

good

Have you ever messed around with a cornetto? Just wanna know your take on it. Thanks

Well actually taps sounded pretty good.

you didn't play the special trill i wanted to hear it

Wow, that's an awesome instrument... just... when the hell do you use that? ^^

The world famous ptrumpet, as well as the pcornet, is bottom sprung. I know - you meant real trumpets.

I’m curious as to the finish on that cornet. I would have expected silver plated, but it looks to me like possibly nickel finish like my trumpet. Nickel does have less of a tendency to tarnish when unattended than silver.

@TrentHamilton

3 жыл бұрын

I can almost guarantee it is nickel plated, especially given that Nickel is so much cheaper and this is a bottom of the range instrument.

This guy is like the Doug Demuro of brass

They have done that to baritones and other brass instruments.

Does he have a video where he shows off his whole collection?

I know some pieces where you have to put in and take out your mute so fast that its nearly imposible. This could be handy in those circumstances

I love your sarcastic description of the poor quality of that instrument.

Sound demo 8:42