Hi Nick & Adam, I once ran a cat wire at low level using modified hooks to grab the concrete posts and clasps to pull the armoured & cat wire back to the post. So no drilling and no fixing to the fence panels, looked pretty neat.

Yep I agree with your method of running an swa ✅ done similar jobs myself , evenly spaced into the fence panel 👍 good job ✅

Hi nick / Adam I did a job end of last year similar to yours I ran a 25mm X 50mm roofing batten across all the posts just at the hight of the gravel boards and then cleated the armoured along that job looked good and customer was happy

@kangtheconqueror

2 жыл бұрын

Perfect solution. It’s all very well having regs, and I DO stick to them as closely as I possibly can but in the REAL world you can only work with what you have. I used that very method at my own house and it looks fine and was the most practical way.

@brianatkinson4484

2 жыл бұрын

That’s exactly how I did mine

Adam, it's all to come, leaks and shocks, believe me it will. Good luck, great content, Nick and lucky Adam!

Previously similar job done ran it threw steel conduit and saddles on to pillers ...down low ..looked OK. Don't forget to charge ⚡your van😜

Can't beat a good video from Nick and Adam on a boring Tuesday. We'll done lads great work as always 👏 🤙

Hey Nick, I've used a concrete fence clamp from Amazon, it clamps around the post and allows you to fix things like Wiskas, conduit boxes and even cleats.

The only thing about fixing to fence panels which I would avoid if at all possible is what happens if high winds dump one or two, three gardens away

That little knipex cobra, I’ve had one in my pocket at all times now for about 4 years 😂 use it for everything, even gripping the corner of a carpet to lift it up 👌🏼😂

@shaynemacdonald3051

2 жыл бұрын

Fwiends.

Another good job , your experienced enough to know what is safe , and what is not … and you were right again this time ….

@NBundyElectrical

2 жыл бұрын

thanks Ian

Talking about falling through a ceiling,on a new build ceiling just got boarded was crawling on the beams,I lost balance fell through the ceiling. The customer was underneath and caught me, keep up the good work 👍🏽

Asked Napit technical awhile back about fixing to fences... They said its fine as long as you feel the fence is of solid contruction. Basically not rotten wooden posts.. And then make a note on the Electrical certifacte that you have found the posts to be in good solid state to fix too. Failing that dig into ground...

Just did my feed to workshop same to fence, sparky was fine with this.

Another great video Nick and glad to hear we've helped to make your life a little easier!

Rules are ok for an ideal world, but sometimes you have to bend them slightly according to the situation/installation, but you always make sure its safe tho, as you did. Love watching you pair work (pinky and the brain lol), cool you have a good range on your van :P lol, and not a cut pipe in sight. Good vid tho chaps. deffo thumbs up.

12:25… ‘Chorley FM… coming in your ears!’ I’m Chorley born and bred and have lived here all my life. Ha, ha. Booyah!! Thanks for the mention. 👍🏻👏🏻

I had this on the job I'm on now. My view on this is, it's sometime unavoidable, make a note on the test sheets in the relevant section Departures! that's all you can do. It's clipped direct! and to rip a fence down and not seeing it. Should you be fitting fences? Not sure I'd heat shrink the sleeving though but rather use normal sleeving.

I think it's entirely reasonable to consider a fence panel to be a permanent fixed structure, as it wouldn't be un-fixed in normal use.

@Stu2be2

2 жыл бұрын

A firefighter may have to lift the fence to put out a fire 🔥 and get trapped lol

@funky_junkie

2 жыл бұрын

I can't see any problem with this as long as the fence belongs to you and not the neighbour.

@pvegod1484

2 жыл бұрын

@@Stu2be2 it would never happen. And even if by some miracle that did happen, there would be so many other factors involved that would take longer to overcome that the cable on the fence would make no difference eg locked house door lol

@jonathanrose456

2 жыл бұрын

Those fence panels collapse all the time, even with concrete posts. Fix to the concrete posts & (as Nick pointed out) it’ll sag. It also looks like it’s the neighbours fence, so you’d want written or video’d permission from the owner. Multiple options from there using timber & pvc trunking or galv conduit/trunking. Catenary would’ve been another way. Personally, I’d have walked if the customer refused to allow a few slabs to be lifted, but then, I don’t have an Adam to pay at the end of the week.

@seanmcgrath9167

2 жыл бұрын

@@jonathanrose456 its a shared boundary

Loved the De-Ice banter 👏 🧊 ✋️ 🤣😆

My electrical instructor used to insist on a fly lead on every socket. OCD maybe but it did save me once when a conductor broke whole the socket was on my hand it dropped to earth via the socket and not me.

The common sense approach Nick rather than having to re-landscspe half a rear garden for one double socket. I'd do exactly that. Good job lads👍🏻

@JayTheSparky

2 жыл бұрын

💯%👍🏻

Glad to hear it’s not just me who pulls the trigger on drills every time I pick them up

Would do and have done the same mate !! As long as customer aware 👍🏼

So many similar jobs running swa down a garden and no viable option besides securing to fence panels. If anyone has a problem with it they're welcome to come do the digging around roots, drains, and patios!

For heatshrinking, many gas soldering irons come with a hot air nozzle for heatshrinking without a flame

@matthewmcmullan9669

2 жыл бұрын

You can actually get heat shrink nozzles for a gas iron they're curved

@mfx1

2 жыл бұрын

Or just use the exhaust. However I wouldn't touch a gas iron with a bargepole these days, I use a TS100 with DeWalt battery. For heatshrink I have a cordless hot air gun.

@solidus784

2 жыл бұрын

We use a dewalt battery heatgun in work but we are often heatshrinking 240's and the like

I remembered the 1987 storms and went to a job where someone had clipped to fence panels which were smashed and the cable was all over the place

35mm tails in -4c up the side of a cow shed about 18” space. Fitting 3 phase meter and isolators

Regulations are always considering the best circumstances -> build a new installation in a newly built house which is unfinished on the inside. And if you do changes or repairs on an existing installation you don't have these perfect circumstances. Best example here in Germany, until 1973 TN-C was permitted in final circuits. And if a customer wants you to install a metal light fitting most electricians here will do the simple solution: Use a Wago connector with three terminals or connect the PEN to the CPC terminal and also insert a wire bridge from there to the neutral terminal. It's not modern day standard, but it's as safe as the wiring they got on their socket outlets and the rest of the installation. If the customer calls you to install a light fitting you can't deny and tell them to rewire the whole house. Especially not in a rental where they are probably only tenants. They'll thank you for your visit and kick you out of the door and in the worst case do it themself, and then without any bonding of the metal housing and so without any safety measure. If you try to do it 100% exactly by the book ,the customer will probably feel like getting this permit document in the bureaucratic building from The Twelve Tasks of Asterix. Question is, can you live with a deviation? Should not be unsafe at all and not create any possible dangerous situations.

My armoured is screwed to the fence panels Been like that for 20 years The only thing is that the plastic clips that hold it in place are so old now that trying to remove them to change a panel meant that they snapped when trying to remove them from the wire so needed new ones

Another great video lads keep it up thinking of getting my electrics qualification 👍

Love the little artisan electrics joke at the start 😂😂

🤣🤣🤣 the small dig at artisan electric with the guy defrosting the van with his hands. Am I the only one to pick up on it 🤣🤣🤣... Brilliant!

Thats a handy trick with the shroud. I never knew that. Your never to old to learn....

@shortcircuit7149

Жыл бұрын

Ive also done catenerys and conduit to get over the fence issue.

Industrial spark here ✋🏻 currently on a huge warehouse job with no heating or doors so it’s like a wind tunnel. Pulling in miles of cables. Take the thick with the thin as some jobs are warm and steady. Loved the video mate it you ever need a hand for doing work I’d love to help and get some more domestic work under my belt. Cheers!

Also a security feature. Stops the panel being lifted. Actually, if it has security clips on the panels, then they are as permanent as anything else that is screwed down.

Great work and thanks for sharing this with us take care

Nice little dig at Jordan 🤙🏻

Most of Adam's injuries have probably come from downlights applied onto his poor little fingers... ;) Top job guys, love the channel, really interesting stuff.

it depends who owns the fence i would not be happy if i owned the fence and the neighbour had installed a live armoured cable along it . more time consuming but the owners shoud have planned this properly and removed the patio stones along the fence border and decking and dig a 600mm trench and install the cable prior to asking you chaps in , its exactly what i did before i had a resin drive installed for electric gates . 50m of armoured cable run 600mm in a trench to the gate, yes it costs more but it only take a neighbour using a drill to install a hanging basket on there side of the fence and you have a serious accident potential. Install it properly underground

good job Nick and Adam all nice a square , no good a droop

It was 21° here today, freezing I'm really feeling these low temps this year.

Max and Paddy's Road to knowhere is the best show ever! And phoenix nights of course 🤣

Adam wasn't happy he had to wait to eat his chocolate bar 😂😂 good slow opening skills 👌🏻

The fence looks solid, as solid as the summer house, put a departure note on the test certificate. The weak point of the installation would be the cable going above the gate frame, does it need metal clips? looking at the video you could have lifted the slabs by the gate and run the swa under and then onto the fence. Maybe a RCD socket in the summer house.

@rodd8170

2 жыл бұрын

My thoughts also but it would hav been easy enough to then trench it in front of decking down to summer house, would be much neater and not hav to go over gate.

Had to pull through 5 core 35mm and 6 x 25mm 5 cores In December. What a ball ache.

Great videos guys! Definitely no issue in my mind with clipping to a fence I was always taught to cleat cables so the screw of the cleat is at the top and this allows the weight of the cable to be held 👍

@robinpenny3193

2 жыл бұрын

I was taught the opposite, because if the screw is underneath the cable it supports it, rather than the bendy plastic bit taking the weight...

@chrisfs150

2 жыл бұрын

@@robinpenny3193 exactly what i was taught...

@dannyboisparky

2 жыл бұрын

It doesn’t matter which way really. How the cable is run would be the overriding factor on which way I would put them.

@mattysmethurst5946

2 жыл бұрын

Taught the same. T&e clips etc nail at bottom. Cleats screw at top

Something else that Nick has never done : Bought a expensive VW Diesel van , that was EV converted to have a range of 60 miles :D

An electrician done this for my neighbour but the only problem was that it was fixed to my fence which cheesed me off cos they didn't ask or make me aware. It was fun though when I changed my fence panels 😀. By the way i notice you make copper bars, try buying some scrap silver and make some silver bars, its fun, but of course safety first. Cheers

@IanFarquharson2

2 жыл бұрын

Same here. There’s some of that stiff orange cable clipped to my fence along the top on the neighbours’ side. It’s got their ivy rotting the panels and they’ll need to be replaced soonish, and it looks like it’s gone crispy in the sun too for good measure.

@funky_junkie

2 жыл бұрын

@@IanFarquharson2some people and trades don't seem to take things like this into consideration and end up making things more difficult for others. Whenever I do private jobs I always consider things like this, I want customers happy but always consider the neighbours as everyone can be a potential customer, cha ching lol

@IanFarquharson2

2 жыл бұрын

@@funky_junkie this is a diy job, power to garage. Not the type to think about anything much more than 10 minutes ahead. One good bit of weather and they’ll be looking at an rcd trip, looks like it’s a spur off a socket. I’ll give them a weeks notice to sort it before fencing gets done.

Great video guys 😎

Yes there been the same discussion here is Aus about fence not being considered permanent. Side note, the screws your using are zinc plated and not rated for outdoor (rust). Try galv or stainless steel or some approved type.

Nice job. You could of used NYYJ cable or high Tough, it's similar to SWA but no steel .its a lot easier to work with.

Are the screws holding the socket piercing the shed? I normally put a panel (12.5mm ply) across the face of those before mounting

We fitted armoured exactly the same in almost identical situation

Putting faith in the guy that did the fence on very windy day. I just get the customer to have a trench dug ready for me .

Knowing the regs you'll probably find a contrary reg to say it might be ok!

great defrosting technique! although I learned already from artisans :D

I did something similar with a cone cutter… took the top of my thumb off. Haven’t done it since mind

After watching this video again. Personally I would of used black conduit along the fence , my concern would be in the summer that armoured cable might sag when it warms up , armoured cable is the most cooperative cable at the best if times .

That twin on the outside light 🤣😅, gorgeous looking garden and top work guys 👌

Just for Adam 😂👍👍👍

Looks fine to me, the only other alternitive is to lift a dozen patio slabs and put cable underneath. Nobody got time for that. Time = Money.

Rules are there to be broken - at least that’s what my first boss said when I was an apprentice. 🤣

@lewis94uk

2 жыл бұрын

Where did he touch you? 🤭

How quietly is Adam opening that biscuit 🤣🤣

firstly you cannot run a sub main to a seperate building from a spur in the house. secondly the sub main cable requires a local means of isolation at either end. Michael

I would have fixed a pressure treated timber (approx. 75mm x 25mm) to the posts spanning the fence panels and fixed the armoured cable to the timber. That way the panels could be removed independently to the cable.

I wish I could work at such relaxed pace 😅

How are you finding the new boots mate. I’ve just brought a pair but a bit worried about the low part at the back for working outside (rain or cold weather) keep up the good work

Worth getting the little soldering iron from Aldi. £12 and has a heat shrink attachment which reflects the heat 360 degrees around the cable. Flame is hidden so no black marks. 👍🏻

@davideyres955

2 жыл бұрын

If you have plenty of cash I believe dewalt do a battery powered heat gun. £££ but if your dewalt locked in then you’ll have batteries already charged and ready to go.

@kieranmccreedy271

2 жыл бұрын

@@davideyres955 definitely don’t have loads of cash which is why I’m still on Ni-Cd DeWalt stuff 😂 The Aldi job just works on standard lighter gas. Perfect for heat shrink.

I made a £200 bet with my boss during my 4 year apprenticeship, that I wouldn't once get a shock. Lasted 3.5 years, managed to then shock myself twice that day. Should make a bet with Adam! Love the videos, really helpful for a very nearly qualified spark!

@N Bundy where do you get those cleats from? Need some to tidy up the armoured cabling on my woden garden fence.

Love the filming Please tell the home owner their gate has been fitted the wrong way around 🙈

Haha! Been watching Artisan, no idea why he has that van :D! Pleased you've learnt his amazing defrost tacs tho D:

A little dig at Jordan at the start hahhaaa range on that thing...

Adams asking the question we're all thinking. Why did he saw into the pipe after lifting the board up and see'ing them? 😂😂

nice video pal. nice use of penny washers on netal socket back box. Would have liked to go under the flags at least near rear gate but ball ache. well done :-) Bring on wireless 230 :-)

5:20 Adam I agree with you there. Not sure how he done it. Lapse in concentration most likely

I will ask Nic technical if I just want advice , even though I would do the same thing.Nice job .

Did laugh about the defrosting of the van and the van range joke !! Artisan haha

Put a catenery wire along the fence and attach cable to it .

The cable run looks good, I would be more concerned with a visit from Heath and Safety officer about not cutting with a very sharp knife towards your hand! 🤦‍♂😁

Aww Nick, when the thumbnail said "Against Regs" i was hoping for exporting PME to an outbuilding ! Now that does get sparks out of their pram 😂

@chriscommons8140

2 жыл бұрын

The stuff of myth and legend is exporting of PME lol

@sgfelectrical734

2 жыл бұрын

Nothing wrong with exporting PME at all. Now exporting a true PEN is an issue

What up! Do you use the pricing and stock option on Tradify? How do you populate the tables in the software with wholesales price lists??

16:20 Yep, Jordan is Artisan's middle name 😎

Hi Nick I am building a small shed and am wanting to run an armoured cable from the house fuse box to he shed, roughly about 20 metres in total what size cable should I use?

Abosulitely fine way to run an SWA, we do it all the time, anyone saying anything else is an internet jobsworth, employed, or no fucking idea what they’re on about. The regs are the regs, but common sense is common sense.

Good practice to have your garden sloping away from the house, so was never going to be level.you should of ran the cable on the other side of the fence , you wouldn't see it then. 😆

Does this not need to go direct to a separate RCD in the main house consumer unit?

I literally want to do the same thing in my garden - i want power to a shed but it's a bit closer to the house. My garden also has concrete posts with fence panels inbetween. The storm we recently had with high winds blew alot of the panels down so i'd be concerned about putting live wires on the fencing to be honest.

Artisan says to watch y’all !

@NBundyElectrical

2 жыл бұрын

legend

At the end Adam was like...Damn, hurry up I just want to eat my twix

Im not an electrian, ive just connected up a garden shed. I bought an outdoor extension lead. Ran it through some outdoor electrical ducting pipe to a socket with an rcd. The shed end has 4 sockets on it. Works fine and i can turn it off indoors when not in use. Is that compliant?

Girl, you really got me goin, you got me so I don’t know what I’m doin. Oh sorry you don’t like kinks 😂. Looks tidy to me.

I hoped you checked who owns the fence as in the UK with most properties the boundry on the left (when facing the house from the pavement / road) is maintained by the property owner meaning that there is a high probability you have just fastened it to the neighbours fence and that is something you definatly should not have done, not only againt regs but also technicaly illegal in a civil court.

@alouisschafer7212

Жыл бұрын

But who will ever care? I would not...

I love the banter with Artisan, 🙂

18:39 I bet that cable's a nightmare to bend in the cold.

@dkaloupis75

2 жыл бұрын

What makes you think that summer makes it better?

Don't mean to boast but I'm an avid diyer garden was planned out and drawn out and I dug a 750-800mm channel down the garden and instal mdpe water pipe and ducting to the bottom and middle patio. Sometimes it comes down to planning. That way we could pull cable through to the gazebo and shed 👍👍

Screw it to the slabs / floor ?

25mm galv conduit saddle on every post

What reg are you referring to in the start of the video?

Great work, wish you all the success, please always try using sharp objet away from you, I noticed when you were cutting tape of the cable. You could end up cutting yourself, I hope you don’t mind , be a Pro !

@keithwilliams1681

Жыл бұрын

I was a GPO Telephone Engineer years ago and we were taught 'always cut towards your mate', good joke, never forgotten.