A 7 year old Land Rover? As an IN taxpayer, I hope they give it back to him. We can't afford that kind of maintenance on our books!

@lochmoigh1

4 жыл бұрын

You think it was maintained?

@TheBrokenLife

4 жыл бұрын

@@lochmoigh1 Surely whatever government official has been driving it around has had to have it repaired plenty of times by now...

@Duncan_Campbell

4 жыл бұрын

It has been stored outside since 2013. www.nwitimes.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/court-orders-land-rover-returned-as-indiana-loses-again-in-civil-forfeiture-lawsuit/article_0e1bd19e-1a22-5ee5-a584-0314e0799f37.html

@harveywallbanger1738

4 жыл бұрын

Here's the cure: The Made Whole Doctrine is an equitable defense to the subrogation or reimbursement rights of a subrogated insurance carrier or other party, requiring that before subrogation and/or reimbursement will be allowed the insured must be made whole for all of its damages. Insist that the money comes from the government entity(s) that caused this.

@randymeyer8624

4 жыл бұрын

Land Rovers are endless money pits, unless they aren't driven for 7 years.

"If they're trying to rehabilitate me and help me help myself, why do want to make things harder by taking away the vehicle I need to meet with my parole officer...?" Newsflash--they don't care about you. They want money!

@kennethjmurphy6725

3 жыл бұрын

In. Is a bunch of thieves

@MichaelClark-uw7ex

3 жыл бұрын

More likely someone on the police force wants the Land Rover.

@rodneyzurek4900

3 жыл бұрын

They don’t want money or they would have sold it. They are just trying to show who the F.... Z they think they are!

wouldn't this now be considered a legal vendetta from said Attorney General?

@shookoneldn300

4 жыл бұрын

bryan krantz More like a personal vendetta

@elavke5441

2 жыл бұрын

May have to sue the attorney general personally

The Land Rover was documented to have been bought with insurance money. It should never had been seized in the first place

@damham5689

4 жыл бұрын

By the states logic if the drug dealer took the bus to buy his drugs, then the state could seize the bus ... Which makes as much sense as taking the land rover.

@thepoker2655

4 жыл бұрын

totally agree, see 5:35 where this is told

@admthrawnuru

4 жыл бұрын

The police captain probably wanted a new car for his kid or something

@southjerseysound7340

4 жыл бұрын

My dad and I were going to buy a 66 Chevelle. A Trooper that pulled us over wanted to know what was in the manilla envelope in the glovebox. Long story but the only thing that kept him from confiscating it was that my dad was retired chief of police in our home town. But he was letting them dig their own grave and didn't say anything about being a retired cop. It was only when the backup officers ran his name they realized it and let him keep his hard earned money. There was another incident about ten years ago where they dragged the 2 of us out of a car over a legal gun that was legally stored and locked in the trunk that he became outspoken about police corruption and misconduct. Ever since he's been outspoken about the police issues these days.

@carlosedwardos

4 жыл бұрын

Sounds like the Land Rover was new or a year old, the state needs to replace it with a similar Land Rover of same age as when seized! (nearly new) - also, the State should be responsible for any attorneys fees, and ALSO for any transportation costs (Uber etc.) incurred by Mr. Tims over the last 7 years! - not to mention, PUNITIVE damages!!

If he had ridden a bus to purchase the drugs would they seize the bus?

@copcuffs9973

4 жыл бұрын

An airplane rental company had their plane taken by GOV. when a renter used it in illegal activity.

@moi01887

4 жыл бұрын

Yes. And then the government would have to sue itself to get its bus back.

@scottlemiere2024

4 жыл бұрын

They also took his shoes because he had to walk to the door.

@thomasbonse

4 жыл бұрын

@@moi01887 At which point they would lose 😉

@Iaincakes

4 жыл бұрын

That was my thought as well.

The only reason they're fighting so hard to keep the Land Rover is because they don't want to have to shut off the spigot of civil asset forfeiture Revenue. Absolutely disgraceful and I wholeheartedly agree these tyrants need to be voted out.

@tomsan7742

4 жыл бұрын

true, their thinking - if you give an inch, they take a mile. ironically that is exactly what the gov did with the civil asset forfeiture law.

@sbrazenor2

4 жыл бұрын

They probably auctioned it off already.

@chrisw1462

4 жыл бұрын

@@sbrazenor2 Yeah.. 'auctioned', as in one of the town or county officials saw it was up for auction and said, "Hey, can I have that?"

@Sarconthewolf

4 жыл бұрын

@@chrisw1462 That's what I thought

@CantankerousDave

4 жыл бұрын

@@sbrazenor2 Hah. I'll bet you anything that the vast majority of the seized property is now being driven, worn, or used by members of the police force or DA's office.

At what point does the state prosecutor get censured or removed for abuse of power or something similar?

@BDaltonYoung

4 жыл бұрын

They handle that on the 32nd of the month.

@bgreeneredsox9369

4 жыл бұрын

He sexually assaulted female state employees after hours and was only censured. He’s a black Republican, he won’t go anywhere.

I'm guessing that if Indiana gives up on this then there will be an avalanche of similar cases filed by people wanting their property back.

@georgebooth2005

4 жыл бұрын

Good, this is obviously an abuse of power! I hope his case sets a precedent, to Stop this abuse of power! Shame on the Courts! Total BS😬😡👎👎

@moi01887

4 жыл бұрын

Hopefully!

@dave-in-nj9393

4 жыл бұрын

if the law is wrong, then every single person should get their stuff back, so yes, there should be a landslide of cases.

@CanIbeWithThee

4 жыл бұрын

Good point

@stuartd9741

4 жыл бұрын

This is why the state is stalling. Maybe the reason for the inability to accept the ruling is. If the vehicle is handed back and a further investigation reveals corruption. Dragging this case out for so long must be an admission of guilt.?

"When tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes duty." - Thomas Jefferson

@dcast777

4 жыл бұрын

I don't think I will see it in my lifetime but I wouldn't be shocked to see an armed rebellion at some point in the next 100 years. It's just slowly getting worse instead of getting better at all.

@harveywallbanger1738

4 жыл бұрын

@@dcast777 I predict it around the time the baby boomers realize their Social Security and savings are being paid in worthless U.S. dollars. The youngers will join in when they realize the government is trying to take even more of their money away.

@kenai555

4 жыл бұрын

What I gather from this is: your rights are only as strong as you can afford to have them defended. When you take everything from a person who is defending their rights, they'll have nothing left to lose. Remember that, our country was founded on it.

@TheMattc999

4 жыл бұрын

Cryptic Observer yup. It's time to eliminate our entire government from the lowliest parking ticket cop all the way to the president and start fresh as outlined in the original writing of the Constitution.

@JoshSweetvale

4 жыл бұрын

@@dcast777 That's the cycle of empire. Over the 2010's people forgot why fascism is bad. World War II and the Holocaust has passed from memory. In the 00's it was oligarchy from the 20's and 30's. When grandpa dies, his grandkids forget the lesson.

They should get a federal judgement and go repossess the furniture at the state attorney's office like what happened at that one bank a few years ago.

This case smacks of ego and butthurt from the state of Indiana along with policing for profit.

if they do return his vehicle ... they'll probably charge him a "storage fee."

@hughbrackett343

4 жыл бұрын

Exactly what I was thinking. After the state finally loses they will tell him he owes over $100K in storage fees to get the car back.

@rodh1404

4 жыл бұрын

Sure. And if he gets the vehicle back, he should charge the state a "rental fee". Then we can see which fee is higher.

@fuckgoogleforever

4 жыл бұрын

@@rodh1404 That would be beautiful.

@parrotgenie5099

4 жыл бұрын

He likely sue them for damages as a result of them holding the vehicle. Reason they are dragging it out. The cost of going to courts and attorney fees outweighs what the value of the vehicle even worth? Then he can use the argument by them withholding he vehicle in question. He lost opportunities and wages for legitimate employment as a result causing years of damages. They end up having to pay way over what the vehicle worth.

@georgebooth2005

4 жыл бұрын

You're probably right, The state should be FINED and pay the difference of value when seized vs current value. Total BS! 😬😡

Tim's lawyers need to ask the Supreme Cpurt for their ruling to include a clause for Indiana to stop appealing their decision or the state attorney will be disbarred and thrown in prison.

@carlosedwardos

4 жыл бұрын

Sounds like the Land Rover was new or a year old, the state needs to replace it with a similar Land Rover of same age as when seized! (nearly new) - also, the State should be responsible for any attorneys fees, and ALSO for any transportation costs (Uber etc.) incurred by Mr. Tims over the last 7 years! - not to mention, PUNITIVE damages!!

@5000rgb

4 жыл бұрын

These rogue prosecutors need to be prosecuted. Beyond the abuse suffered by the owner of the vehicle they are also costing the state millions. Steve's use of the word "gruesome" is correct.

@robertstoneking7916

4 жыл бұрын

These prosecutors should have to reimburse the taxpayers for what's been spent on the appeals.

@JordanHaisley

4 жыл бұрын

@PoodleScone The AG actually was temporarily disbarred for an unrelated problem....

He probably told them, "they were going to lose and have to give him his car back." After saying that all those years, the prosecution has been riding on relentless ego ever since. They are getting paid either way, why not? Hope that prosecution get sanctioned and run out of state.

I guess the roads that he drove on to go to his drug dealer's house to buy the drugs we're also instrumental in contributing the crime

@JasonW.

4 жыл бұрын

County doesn't want to take possession of the roads, then they'd have to fix the potholes

Steve, If I lived in Michigan and was arrested (fined) for something, I would want you to argue my case. Thanks for your insight on the different scenarios you bring to light. Carry on, sir! you are doing great!

When the nearly unlimited resources of The State are brought against you, you will loose. Glad to hear this guy has help.

@rex8255

3 жыл бұрын

And when the State can just steal your stuff and mumble some BS about "drugs", those resources just keep becoming more and more towards unlimited.

@thomasmleahy6218

3 жыл бұрын

Ya mean lose?

They federal judge needs to place the district attorney in jail for contempt of court.

If they put it off long enough, the book value of the Land Rover will be in line with the fine....

@sbrazenor2

4 жыл бұрын

It's depending on the value of the vehicle at the time, not now.

@JasonW.

4 жыл бұрын

@@sbrazenor2 the DA isn't playing by the rules, so why not break a valuation rule too

@moi01887

4 жыл бұрын

Which may be exactly what they're banking on.

When it comes to wasting tax payers money, the government sees no spending limits. Of course they may need to tax increases to pay for it all.

D.A. driving that Rover since 2013, trying to spin back the mileage right now.

This is what happens when pride gets in the way of good sense

@briandavis7811

4 жыл бұрын

Common sense should be renamed rare sense

@Sparky400

4 жыл бұрын

I think you just found the perfect description for the USA as a whole

@alleyoop4465

4 жыл бұрын

Its not pride, its greed.

@JasonW.

4 жыл бұрын

The DA has the right to common sense, but an inability to use it.

@gatesmw50

4 жыл бұрын

Mike Cummings Maybe just Maybe the DA is running for higher office and this is his way of showing the world "I'm a law an order candidate". I thought those dinosaurs were extinct years ago ...apparently not.

Did they take the clothes off his back because they were also necessary when he made the drug deal?

@devcrom3

4 жыл бұрын

I bet you can buy drugs with no pants on.

@outdoorsguy

4 жыл бұрын

Did they pump his stomach since it was necessary to have the caloric energy to go out and buy drugs?

@NYpaddler

4 жыл бұрын

That argument is every bit as stupid as any arguments the state has used to justify seizing the car. The vehicle is a tool that gets people to places, whether it's for honest activities or to do something illegal, so the vehicle facilitates the crime. Regular clothing, OTOH, doesn't facilitate the crime, though a mask, or dark or camouflage clothing might be seized legitimately.

If they (Indiana) still (unlikely) have it (which probably don't) may be why they're fighting so hard to block Timbs from "getting it back", if they sold it Timbs is going to be entitled to the cash value when it was sold plus most likely punitive damages for this whole ordeal.

Steve this is one of my favorite episodes, your persistence on fairness and rule of law is the best, Add the consumer advocacy and it's a home run.

As someone who lives in Indiana, I can tell you that a lot of what this state does is ass backwards, especially when drugs are involved. For a state so “hard on drugs” it sure has a lot of drug abusers. This is why we need to kick all these judges off the bench in November. They shouldn’t be on the bench for life.

@HalkerVeil

4 жыл бұрын

The judges sided with him. It's the state that keeps fighting it. With your taxes. Stop voting for these turds.

@TheBrokenLife

4 жыл бұрын

@@HalkerVeil We don't get to vote for every turd in the entire punch bowl. Just our counties.

@CharmsDad

4 жыл бұрын

Start holding these idiot prosecutors PERSONALLY responsible for the attorney fees of the plaintiff when they abuse their authority this way. When they have this type personal accountability for their actions rather than waste tax payer money this behavior will quickly stop.

@TLM-Nathan

4 жыл бұрын

@Paul T While I mostly agree it is the JUDGE that even allows the case to be heard & continue to begin with. They could just deny the appeals of the state but they don't because they are part of it. I'm sure Mr Lehto will agree that in many instances (especially in smaller towns) you will see the judge out having lunch with the prosecutors; how that doesn't create a conflict of interest is beyond me.

@DillonWaffles

4 жыл бұрын

Absolutely. It’s more than just the judges though. The more people they have in prison/county jail, the more money the state gets. Spending on the prison system is also 3x that of public education. Instead of helping people with chemical addiction, they lock them up and extort them, and add a couple more cells. Where’s the justice in that?

Good video...helps the forfeiture cause

Maybe the judge(s) should throw the AG in jail for contempt. For fitting justice, for seven years.

Wow. Sounds like their appeal has already been addressed. There is no scenario where keeping the vehicle is not an excessive fine. They should be held in contempt for not complying and then appealing again on something that has basically already been asked and answered.

The longer this goes on the more it helps the citizens cause of reforming Civil Asset Forfeiture!

@scottlemiere2024

4 жыл бұрын

Not really, in civil asset forfeiture they are charging the item with a crime and items do not have any rights.

"You don't want tyrants like this in office" ♥♥♥

The reason he is fighting so hard is because it sets a precedent

@stuartd9741

4 жыл бұрын

Yet it's clear state of Indiana is *trying* soo hard to prevent this precedent. Clearly it would have implications for the whole country.

Steve, at what point does it become harassment? Malicious prosecution and harassment have to come into play at some time do they not?

@jrstf

4 жыл бұрын

Is there a law against that? From the way the president has been treated, there is no law like that.

Steve could IN refusal to give in because it would open up every other case where this could apply?

That would be every person speeding would lose their vehicle, because it part of the crime and or instrumental involved in the crime if you follow Indiana idea on crime and fines?

@chrismoore1984

4 жыл бұрын

I don't think traffic violations are a crime. Not paying the fine is a crime. Not a lawyer, just my understanding.

@darcam

4 жыл бұрын

If a traffic violation isn't a criminal act or against the law? Then why would they pull you over to being with? Yes I understand its a civil process but the issue still remains that if you don't stop and adhere to the police to deal with the situation either way you would be in deep dog poop! So I think its very funny to say a traffic ticket isn't a crime when basically you can't refuse to follow the traffic laws or refuse to deal with the law enforcement if they pull you over?

@chrismoore1984

4 жыл бұрын

@@darcam my understanding ,( and am not a lawyer so I could be wrong) a crime is either a misdemeanor or felony. Where a moving violation is just that, a violation. That's why when they run background checks it doesn't show driving record. I could be wrong. You might very well know more about it than I do. Although DUI is a crime. So I'm not sure, just the way I understand it. This was a good discussion, I will check in to it more for my own curiosity.👍

How widespread is this abuse if the state is willing to go this far?

@stuartd9741

4 жыл бұрын

They're obviously stalling to prevent a wider investigation that would reveal corruption.

Thanks Steve for another interesting romp back into the legal forms for me! I’ve been binge watching you since I am at home twiddling my thumbs. 👍😎

I'm from Indianapolis, In. The attorney general is Curtis Hill. He has already been asked to resign over sexual abuse allegations, but denies the claims and refuses to resign. Guess it's up to us citizens to get rid of him.

I appreciate your coverage of issues in other states. I've listened to your channel for a year and more lawyers should do what you are.

How can a state ignore, appeal a US Supreme Court ruling?. I thought a Supreme Court ruling was final-no further appeals...

@scottlemiere2024

4 жыл бұрын

The Supreme Court ruled on whether the state had to adhere to the 8th amendment, not whether the seizure was actually an excessive fine. Right now they are fighting over whether or not taking a $40,000 car for a $10,000 maximum fine is an excessive fine. The state is arguing that it's not a fine so the 8th amendment doesn't apply in the first place.

@NYpaddler

4 жыл бұрын

Because the SC only said that the 8th amendment applies to the state, so they can't impose an excessive fine. That leaves the state free to argue that seizure of the car wasn't an excessive fine. Timbs lawyer originally argued that the seizure violated the 8th amendment's prohibition against excessive fines, and (I would guess because they knew it was a certain loser) instead of arguing that it wasn't an excessive fine the state argued that the 8th amendment didn't apply to the states. The SC punted on excessive fines and sent the case back to Indiana to consider that question.

Just found your channel and hit the button. If I was rich that's one of the type of organizations I would support. I appreciate what you do. God bless

A perfect reason why we need to abolish the Government, form a common law grand jury and prosecute them; clearly the Judicial branch can't be trusted, nor can the other branches

@scottlemiere2024

4 жыл бұрын

The judges here are doing their jobs, unless you're all for prosecutors being able to just take shit.

At what point does this constitute frivolous litigation on the part of the state of Indiana? That’s what I’m wondering.

Indiana wants me but I can't go back there!

@jeffrobdine

4 жыл бұрын

R.Dean Taylor

@sammolloy1

4 жыл бұрын

Great song!!! AND VIDEO!!!

@NYpaddler

4 жыл бұрын

There's an old reference. That was one of the first 45's I bought.

He now owns a classic car....

Since it is turning personal, can Tims go after the opposing attorneys' qualified immunity. It is not just government, you should know being an attorney, corporations do it all the time to the little people!

Once again thank you for sharing this story. Steve I would like to talk to you in the near future. I've had a case now going 36 years , I know the punishment fits right.. after hearing this story from you it helps give me the Hope's that some day the courts will do the right thing and correct there mistakes. I take care of a special needs person now for 40 plus years so I have borrowed to the hills cash for legal fees but laws keep changing so the courts just do what they want and not the right thing. I feel people in power just aren't doing the right thing and cover there tracks. I like the way you speak about issues. Maybe you could help me or give me some helpful advice. Thanks again

Ask the Judge, "How many times does the state get to come back to court to ask you to reverse your order?"

Their methods should be re-thought? Not enough. Jailing the AG of Indiana would be a good start. Term limits on every damn office.

Good speak, Michigan has many of the same things ongoing. Barry County Ombudsman.

Why hasn’t the state AG been held in contempt yet???

Love the Collins Radio shirt!

Hello Steve, I'm subscribed CYBER DOC and he mentioned your channel, I just subscribed to you! I have respect to the people I subscribed too. From Ray Spring Hill, FL.

And Land Rover has now lost most of it's value through depreciation if he does get it back.

@sbrazenor2

4 жыл бұрын

Not to mention if it's still there, the battery, tires, and other things will need to be changed.

@deonmurphy6383

4 жыл бұрын

Assuming the vehicle hasn’t been sold, it likely has received zero maintenance. So the fuel system will have problems, any rubber/plastic parts deteriorated, paint and interior damaged by UV. So when he gets it back it will cost more to make it operational than it will be worth.

@daylilygardener6558

4 жыл бұрын

Should have used insurance money for investing.

@harveywallbanger1738

4 жыл бұрын

"Making whole". Cry all you want, state/county/city. It's your fault. Cough it up. Or the feds will 'civil forfeiture' the state capital.

The way we treat drugs users is disgusting. I love how 3 people on the planet will argue that alcohol prohibition was a good idea, (remember the govt poisoning it citizens alcohol, because dead people are better than "filthy alchys"? I do!) but for some reason people cant get past the fact that drug prohibition fails at its purpose, hurts the users, gives power to criminals, etc. is Thats not even getting into the fact that civil assest forfeiture is govt theft with no due process. Ive always said if they want to take shit, it should have to be proven in court first, with a jury, then they can take it, but this side of the road " oh nice ride, hey is that a grain of plant matter on the carpet? ohhh my car now!!" is criminal, unconstitutional, and just down right wrong.

I think the people of Indiana need to vote someone else in as Attorney General. Like you said this is a tyrant, drunk with power.

Mind-boggling waste of the courts time, and tax payer dollars!

If they lose this case and are told "you don't get to do this anymore" they'll lose a revenue stream. Here's the problem: when have you ever seen a bureaucrat willingly give up a revenue stream? I doubt there's any more to it than that.

it's the first rule of acquisition. "once you have their money, never give it back."

@JTA1961

4 жыл бұрын

Possession is 9/10ths of a LandRover 📉😎📈

He's probably seen it being driven around town by a guy with a shiny badge.

I am very confused. Didn’t the SCOTUS say that the Land Rover seizure was disproportionate to the crime. Yet even still the state ignores this decision? What in the end is his remedy?

@candlstudios

4 жыл бұрын

The Supreme Court said "this is excessive" and then sent the case back down to the Indiana court for them to retry basically. The Indiana court has to take the Supreme Court's opinion into account the second time around. And they did.. they said "This is excessive" but the state is appealing that decision. It's a waste of tax dollars if nothing else. Just stupid at this point.

@carlosedwardos

4 жыл бұрын

Sounds like the Land Rover was new or a year old, the state needs to replace it with a similar Land Rover of same age as when seized! (nearly new) - also, the State should be responsible for any attorneys fees, and ALSO for any transportation costs (Uber etc.) incurred by Mr. Tims over the last 7 years! - not to mention, PUNITIVE damages!!

@scottlemiere2024

4 жыл бұрын

The Supreme Court ruled that the 8th amendment applied to states and sent it back to the state to determine if the fine was excessive or not.

Steve, love your podcasts. Very informative. Sound on this one keeps cutting in and out from about 4:00 onward to at least 5:00 or longer.

Nice T shirt - Collins Radio Cedar Rapids, Iowa. Made the best radios - commercial AM / FM transmitters - Amateur Radio's that where the best. A KWM-2A transceiver costed $2800 in 1978. Take care 'Spin'

...so designated fine, jail & loss of income isn't enough punishment, so we're taking you possessions as well, forced labor to the State rapidly approaching.

@jonneal7058

4 жыл бұрын

Peppermint Catsass it's already there. The 13th only abolished slavery for common folk. It still left that convenient clause that the state can justify slavery as punishment.

The problem with fights like these is that the government officials don't see that they are wrong. They cannot see the violation of human rights. They cannot see the disservice to the entire community due to wasted litigation. When it isn't your money, it is easy to spend. They all pat themselves on the backs and convince each other they are right, while the world looking in goes, what?

Can a state, or an elected official be sued, or arrested for squandering tax dollars?

@niyablake

4 жыл бұрын

no

@jrstf

4 жыл бұрын

Increasingly I'm thinking tar and feathering needs to return.

@Duncan_Campbell

4 жыл бұрын

best you can hope for, is complaining to the bar. it is very rare.

@jfan4reva

4 жыл бұрын

For exercising his 'sworn duty to uphold the law' by re-prosecuting the same person over and over again? No. For sitting around and watching porn videos and using State funds to buy drugs? Yes,,,unless he's got political pull, then No.

A non-perfunctory "thank you" for revisiting this subject that is concerning on so many levels.

Steve, your ratio of likes to downvotes says it all. This ratio is virtually unheard of. Kudos, sir. :-)

Only way to solve this, make lawmakers criminally liable when their decisions are clearly illegal. We hear a lot about members in the legal system are held to a higher standard.

At this point it’s about those who are continuing the abuse of power need to be outed and personally ridiculed for their reprehensible behavior!!!

The sad thing is that Indiana isn't the only state with tyrants running the show

@tjguidry7753

4 жыл бұрын

Prolly 20-50% in office are tyrants

@rustyshackleford2902

4 жыл бұрын

Prolly

@ChrisCross-nq9ed

4 жыл бұрын

FL comes to mind.

How much tax payers money is being flittered away by the state because "they" are having a temper tantrum? Additionally if the roles were reversed I bet it would not have gone before the supreme court more than once. Maybe the people of Indiana need to express there opinion of how their tax funds are being spent at the ballot.

Getting dragged through the courts is often a worse punishment than pleading guilty.

Street dealers rarely make tons of money and are often in debt to their suppler. The only place where the dealer makes a ton of money is in the prisons or if they are also the maker/grower and that has its own down side. I am sure if he ever dose get the jeep back it will have 300,000 extra miles on it as the only reason it would not of been sold off by now is if it turned into someones daily driver or a undercover car. Would be fun if the vin is known to see if it has been registered by someone.

Seizing a 2013 Land Rover ? Scotty Kilmer: The State is doing Timbs huge a favor...

@JohnnyQuest1960

4 жыл бұрын

Rev up your engines !

@philipbohi983

4 жыл бұрын

Why SoSerious - oh yeah! that’s Scotty’s favorite “endless money pit”!

Do they try drug cases before the "High" Court to insure the accused gets a jury of his peers?

@JTA1961

4 жыл бұрын

Did you learn that in "High" school ? 📉😎📈

@brandondelp9914

4 жыл бұрын

The real reason is so they can put as much resources as possible into convicting the accused. The lengths this state is willing to go just to prove a misdemeanor charge, using tax dollars, are absolutely ridiculous. I've been the foreman on a jury for a petty drug charge. The process was far from fair and the scale was definitely tipped toward the state the entire way. They even brought a supervisor from the lab that conducted the drug test at the local hospital, 100 miles away as a witness, as well as the nurse who administered the drug test, just to say he took the test and that those were the correct results. It was absolutely unnecessary. The evidence that "proved" the man was intoxicated at the time of arrest was a crappy cruiser dashcam video of the accused during a sobriety test that was obscured by rainfall, yet everyone except me agreed it was admissible. There was no real evidence to prove he was intoxicated when he was caught in possession of the drugs, yet he still ended up being charged with a DUI on top of the various possession charges. It was an absolute kangaroo court. A jury of peers doesn't help you much in a state where authority is blindly trusted en masse. Thousands and thousands of dollars thrown around over a joint.

@chrismoore1984

4 жыл бұрын

Excellent pun.

Returned immediately, along with a seven-figure apology.

Thank You! Posting on Facebook!

The "Robot Lady" reminded me that .....A friend gave me a book about eliminating procrastinatin a few years ago but I didn't get around to reading it yet

Sounds like the kid of someone in the DA’s office got a Land Rover for graduation and wrecked it, so Indiana NEEDS to win.

What an abuse of power!!

How can we call it a justice system when it is all about how much money you have?

@ Steve Lehto I'm glad it fits!

Well if Timms has had multiple favorable decisions , and they are not returning his property , why doesnt he call the Sheriff on them ?

Southern Indiana resident here...let’s be real - it’s never about rehab - it’s about money! It’s always been about money and how the state/government can control us - WE THE PEOPLE. Always will be.

Asset forfeiture has been abused by the sates for a long time. We need a big change!

Love the rant Steve !!!!!

I was apprehended walking home from my dealers house. The police seized my flip flops!

We were similarly held hostage by a bankruptcy court. We run a welding and fabrication shop that was supplying the materials for the construction of a theme park, a very small one... When they went belly up they owed us nearly $15,000. We received a letter telling us they believed we had been paid with preference and told us they wanted the $8,000 for the previous 90 days payments. We were on a 30-day billing cycle that was never breached as we feared failure. We were told by our attorney that there are 3 clauses that if you are eligible for just 1 they cannot claim preference and we would not have to pay the park back for the steel we purchased for them. We clearly had 2 of the 3 and sent the letter, it accomplished nothing. We were then given papers saying we were being sued by the bankruptcy court. We were told by our attorney that this is commonplace, they figure we will settle rather than fight it as we cannot recoup attorney fees from the bankruptcy court. We settled and paid $1500 and we have never fully recovered the loss. It set us back hard as we had to cover $16,500 of purchased material that we didn't get back from the park. As a very small biz it has left enormous mistrust of our government and legal system in our minds if it is legal to sue for money when preference clearly didn't apply to us.

What if the State said 'okay, you can have the vehicle, but you have to pay 7 years of storage fees'?

If the state can't prove an asset was acquired through illegal means then they shouldn't be able to seize that asset. Any authority who feels otherwise should be dealt a fitting tyrant's end...with extreme prejudice.

Money, get back, your all right Jack, keep your hands off of my stack.! The LAW and Legal system. A needed service in civilized society. When it becomes a business, it becomes corrupt and void, for Justice is dependent on how much money a person has and the Character of those in the business!

Not being a lawyer myself, what can get this to finally stop ? Can the respective Supreme Courts issue a binding ruling instead of sending it back to the lower courts ?

I bet when he gets his Land Rover back, it will have sand in the engine and transmission. probably in the gas tank too.

The value of the Land Rover has to be less than $10k now. I like your Collins Radio t-shirt, reminds me of my hobby (ham radio) and where I grew up about 90 miles from where Collins was.

Thumbs up on the Collins shirt.

The state should have to pay his legal fees ...

It appears that there is no accountability for anyone associated with prosecuting this case.

@JTA1961

4 жыл бұрын

Like there ever is...

Sounds like the Land Rover was new or a year old, the state needs to replace it with a similar Land Rover of same age as when seized! (nearly new) - also, the State should be responsible for any attorneys fees, and ALSO for any transportation costs (Uber etc.) incurred by Mr. Tims over the last 7 years! - not to mention, PUNITIVE damages!!

"how does this end?" Seems like the only way it's going to end is if the courts dismiss the state's case with prejudice and approve emergency injunctive relief to have the vehicle returned under threat of contempt. If the courts are so bold that's the only way it's going to end.