The fact that the old employer's first reaction is to sue (when no employment contract exists) tells me all I need to know about why those employees left in the first place.

@DrDaveSalisburyPhDMBA

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly! Would you seek care from the them? I wouldn’t!

@zapazap

2 жыл бұрын

It doesn.t tell me any such thing. Cheers!

@krisavi

2 жыл бұрын

Odd is that there is even case where one employer can order other one's choices through court. As soon as the people quit first employer, then they had nothing else to do with the first company. At will workers stil have some conditions on working, so there is still contract, but it just has the "at will" clause, but that is also wrong that if it is not suitable for employer, then they just change the conditions, but if it would be unsuitable for employee, then there is nothing to do. With hospitals there is some kind of employment contract still, even for liabiliy sake in case of mistakes done at work, so do not come with the talk that there is no employment contract. The "at will" is just condition in there that should allow employer to fire employee and employee to quit, but on currently that is kind of made void ... Well, not quite, because people quit, so they cannot work at first employer, but now they cannot start working for 2nd one because of that obscure restriction that judge approved. Restriction that basically ordered one company to follow order of another company.

@meyatetana2973

2 жыл бұрын

I'd just tell old hospital to get fucked I can wait it out.

@RedShiftedDollar

2 жыл бұрын

@@zapazap How not so? Management clearly feels entitled to keep the workers otherwise they would have made counteroffers. What other acts of entitled management were these employees subject to?

The judge that allowed the temporary injunction should be disciplined for doing so. Absolutely insane.

@2acritter4life

2 жыл бұрын

I'd file civil suit against the Judge for interfering with a employment contract. Then I'd add in the old hospital and add millions in damages.

@itsking2u

2 жыл бұрын

Agreed never seen a bigger pile of Bull

@jdgindustries2734

2 жыл бұрын

@@2acritter4life it's at will. No contracts.

@AnonymousOtters

2 жыл бұрын

@@jdgindustries2734 "At will" is a condition of their employment contract. All professionals operate under an employment contract that details the terms of their employment, benefits, etc.

@thomasrogers8239

2 жыл бұрын

Just because you don't agree with it doesn't make it the wrong thing to do in this situation. There's a case here that the judge needs to hear and until the judge is able to hear it they asked that the main cruxt of their lawsuit not take effect until after the lawsuit. That's actually a very good thing, imagine being in a lawsuit with the town you live in because they want to bulldoze your house to build a park and you're trying to sue for that not happening. Without this mechanism you can't stop the town from bulldozing your house until after the lawsuit is settled.

A former employer should have no control over your future employment, this is outrageous.

@commonsenseisdeadin2024

26 күн бұрын

IF there's no contract in place!

@albratgaming2348

23 күн бұрын

@@commonsenseisdeadin2024 funny thing.. A NDA is only valid while you are compensated for your silence. (hence most NDA's come with a lump sum payment.) A contract is only valid for your employment period. So no.. There should be no point at which a previous employer should have any control over your future employment. There are a few exceptions to that though. If you know proprietary information and join a competitor company. They can enforce a gag order about the processes and methods you used to use. (basically a NDA). But they can no longer block you working for other companies. (non-compete clauses are no longer valid.)

@brianphillips7696

15 күн бұрын

Especially in “right to work “ states

Soooo, basically they are suing for the right to have ownership of their employees. And the judicial system is like, yeah sure, we can do that. Great.😒

@able34bravo37

24 күн бұрын

The courts' record on slavery is less than stellar, so we should not be surprised by this.

The fact that this judge granted this is an abuse of power, this judge should be investigated.

@foogod4237

2 жыл бұрын

I honestly don't understand why a competent judge would even consider this injunction, let alone grant it. Injunctions are only intended for situations where there is a risk of irreparable harm if something is not prevented. One might potentially be able to argue there is irreparable harm if they don't continue working for the old company, but the injunction does not actually ensure that, and cannot legally require that, so it should be completely irrelevant. There is quite clearly no _irreparable_ harm inherent in them working for the new company vs, for example, finding some other job (or just staying home, if they can afford to). If the judge granted this injunction on the justification that there is irreparable harm if they don't continue working at the old company, and therefore the purpose of the restraining order is specifically to try to force them to continue working at that company (by denying them any other options), then the judge has effectively deliberately violated their 13th Amendment rights, just via a back-door method.

@scottmyers10

2 жыл бұрын

@@foogod4237 He removed the injunction during the next hearing, fixing it doesn't remove the constitutional violations granting it caused though.

@Lastofthesigilites

2 жыл бұрын

I'd just reapply under a new name and not show up to the old place.

@majortom7038

2 жыл бұрын

I wonder what the thought process was. Maybe something like this? … “Hey, let’s enhance our reputation as an employer by suing exiting employees. Yes, thats the kind of press that will help us in the long run …”.

@stevek8829

2 жыл бұрын

@@foogod4237 it sounds like slavery to me.

The judge should have thrown out this case. Only the lawyers have benefited from the TRO

@leonscape

2 жыл бұрын

He won't this is Mark McGinnis. He jailed a man for six months for rolling his eyes, and dropped F Bombs and insults from the bench. He's not know for his sense and reason.

@ragmon1000

2 жыл бұрын

More evidence that 90%+ judges are corrupt. Check his bank account.

@ragmon1000

2 жыл бұрын

Gov't relationship is involuntary servitude.

@johnnydough1870

2 жыл бұрын

ALWAYS- what we do

@christopherkidwell9817

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly. The judge should have laughed this out of the court and told hospital A that was losing these workers "Simple: Match the pay offered by the other hospital or get used to losing your workers!"

UPDATE: Although the TRO should have never been issued, the Judge lifted the order the next day, and on Jan. 28, Theda Care dropped its entire loser lawsuit.

@yuridavila6095

Жыл бұрын

Likely only because of the bad PR

@mithicash1444

Ай бұрын

The hero we needed

@douglei4413

20 күн бұрын

The old hospital need to pay the workers for the days they were not allowed to work.

@qattah

15 күн бұрын

Thanks! I was scrolling through the comments to see if there was a resolution. 😃

@pacificostudios

14 күн бұрын

@@qattah - As a lawyer, I was interested.

The only reason a group of employees all up and quit at once and all find work at the same place is if something awful is happening in that work culture. And by making the incredibly short sighted decision to further harm these employees by suing to prevent them from working, the hospital is begging to have its dirty laundry aired.

The fact this was even entertained by a judge is insane. If I were the employees, I'd sue the original employer for wages lost while the injunction was in place. "Poaching" is only looked down on by employers who know they under pay their employees. It's called a "competitive offer" by everyone else.

@pixelperfectInteriors

2 жыл бұрын

I'm not sure they could sue for lost wages, because the option to go back to work is there (I'm assuming). They wouldn't lose wages if they agreed to go back to work. But again, they can't MAKE them, but they can easily say they exercised their choice not to work there. The whole thing seems like a huge violation of civil rights.

@LegendStormcrow

2 жыл бұрын

I've heard "poach" used non-negatively. If someone claims they poached an employee, they usually mean that they snagged a real prize from a competitor.

@sweetromance8264

2 жыл бұрын

@@pixelperfectInteriors They could sue for the difference🌹

@richardblack290

2 жыл бұрын

America is the most dumbass legal system in the world weirdly only in America

@hamishfox

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly this. The attitude of the first hospital is fucking disgusting and I'm absolutely not surprised 7 people left at once if this is the way they treat their employees.

Hospitals: "You are an at-will employee we can fire you for any reason" Employee: *quits* Hospitals: "That's illegal"

@Marinealver

2 жыл бұрын

Must be that NEWLAW that the progressives have been pushing for the past couple of years.

@rhondaalbrecht

2 жыл бұрын

Hospital administrator and hospital attorneys need to go back and read the definition of 'At-Will'... and that BOTH parties can break the employment at any time, without notice. Sayonara, hospital! Employers think they have all the control.

@fionafiona1146

2 жыл бұрын

@@Marinealver so why doesn't such shit happen in "Liberal country's" people might be inspired by?!? I know of companies whose contract includes as much as 6 months "none competition" clauses and keep paying according transitional wages (mostly temp agencies, having a buyout price too).

@lizf1353

2 жыл бұрын

@@Marinealver this has NOTHING to do with progressives and you are pathetic for dragging shit into it that has nothing to do with it... this is happening because of our health care system being a purely capitalist system that understaffs their facilities to make more money. Every other civil County treats their Healthcare as nessasy infrastructure like roads, bridges, schools... we are a joke! You are pathetic dragging a political group who is so insanely removed from the situation just because that is what you do every time something negative is going on now 🙄 just ridiculous 🙄

@lizf1353

2 жыл бұрын

@@fionafiona1146 this is what these people do... they project everything they do onto their precived enemies... if we are racist we will use the racist accusation against others and pretend we are the victim, if we are responsible for the continued state of our Healthcare system being a capitalism/ for profit system that is not working for our people and not working for the Healthcare providers because they understaff the hospital and over work them to keep more money in our pockets we blame them for it, if we are not funding schools properly and screwing up our children's education we will turn it around on them, if we are indoctrinating children to our world view then we will accuse them of exactly that for exposing children to facts about history and reality... this is their entire new play... they are bullies who the second get the tiniest push back cry victim! 😢

20 years ago someone in my state won the lottery and decided to divide their winnings up with their 19 co workers. They said that they would still have millions of dollars and that was plenty for anyone to have. So the entire staff of the company except the owner, his wife and son, all quit without notice the next day. This ended up putting the company out of business. The owner then sued the lottery winner and asked for an amount equal the what they gave away to each of their co workers. I was astonished that the judge allowed this to go to trial. It dragged on for about a year. The plaintiff had claimed that the lottery winner was disgruntled and gave the money away only because they wanted to put their former employer out of business not for the altruistic reason of generosity. The defense argued that nobody would give away 95% of their wealth just to get even with an employer they had a disagreement with. The jury found for the defendant, the lottery winner. During that entire year the lottery winner could not spend a cent of their winnings as the court ordered their assets frozen. Since the 19 co workers were not party to the case their assets were not in jeopardy so they were free to spend their money which in part they did by helping their very generous co worker/benefactor. Last I heard the business owner went bankrupt, lost everything they owned including their house. They ended up getting a divorce and he was working as a janitor somewhere. What I can't help but ask is what kind of horrible employer they must have been. I'm guessing that lottery winner would have included them had they been pleasant to work for.

@MultiIhatethis

3 ай бұрын

Cool story

Unimaginable that there are laws that can allow a Judge to keep someone from the freedom of choice as to where they want to work!

When you have seven people leaving one organization for another, it's not about money. It's about working conditions.

@nancykaminski8600

2 жыл бұрын

I used to work at a hospital (in the IT department). At one point we were losing something like five developers a month, and the primary reason was that the non-profit hospital was paying much lower wages, and giving the reason, "We're a non-profit, so of course salaries are lower!" But the exodus was so extreme they finally had a new salary survey done, and surprise! We were all grossly underpaid. They did the right thing, and there was a massive salary adjustment. I was a tech writer there, and I got a $10K raise. The developers got something like $20K. (I did leave that job a year later for the software industry, and got an immediate $15K bump; at the hospital we were still on the lower end of the wage spectrum for writers).

@corngreaterthanwheat

2 жыл бұрын

And also money.

@GodwynDi

2 жыл бұрын

Also money. Our competitors are paying up to 30% more for the same work. We have had record profits, but promotion and raise freezes for the past year. We also just hired 3 new executives from outside the company without internal promotion available. Horrible employer is probably paying horribly also.

@LegendStormcrow

2 жыл бұрын

No one is going to apply at that job now😂 They torpedoed their chances of finding new hires.

@simmonslucas

2 жыл бұрын

@@nancykaminski8600 This happened to me last year at my Hospital IT department. We didn't leave all at once, I went 2nd and the rest trickled out after. But after about 10 people left they finally restructured the salary and promotion structure. Bad pay is a bad working condition. I used to be an underground miner. I got paid well and had good benefits because the good pay out ways the shitty working conditions.

The old employer should be sued for damages, including lost wages. Maybe even criminal malice. " This is clearly vindictive ". The old hospitals attorney should have told his client " the old employer " there is no grounds for this since they are not under contract. The judge needs a 90 day unpaid suspension for granting a frivolous injunction that is so damaging to many american families. The actions of this judge introduced a dangerous ideology of practice to use the law as a tool to control employees that are pursuing life, liberty, and happiness.

@stevetadlock5223

2 жыл бұрын

Amen!

@Akisame-LuigI-O

2 жыл бұрын

These are fear tactics. By doing this they scare other employees from changing jobs

@AshenTechDotCom

2 жыл бұрын

the whole team should move, and sue them for the cost of moving since they couldn't be employed in the state, as the former employer legally blocked future employment opportunities... get the media interested, watch the shit storm.. of how "at-will" means, at your employers will, not your will...

@marclabelle4253

2 жыл бұрын

@@AshenTechDotCom Absolutely! At a prior employer we had both contract and full time employees. Often these FT employees were referred to as "permanent" but CA is an at will state and I would remind people that it's not a permanent role, just that it's a General Full Time role, they were still at will and nothing changed other than there was no longer a specific end date to their employment. (Plus bennies, it was a good change of course, but that's tangential to the point at hand). At this employer it was common that if you were at a certain level and might go to a competitor that you were kept on payroll for 3-6 months with no work (signed in contract) before you left the company. To me that's reasonably fair, "we don't want you going to a competitor immediately with recent detailed company knowledge, so we'll pay you off to wait."

@beavcleav3086

2 жыл бұрын

Judge should be disbarred and thrown in jail

Health trust "A" should be sued by the state for not ensuring that they have a minimum staff on long term contract to ensure the smooth and safe running of their hospitals. The judge should be sued and disbarred for gross negligence.

This is why you NEVER tell your current employer where you are moving to if you are in an at-will state and do not have a contractual obligation, they are no need to know and it only hurts you by telling them.

I truly believe this case is about bullying. The hospital doesn't want these employees back. They want to make an example out of them. They are sending a message to all the other employees that still work for them, that the hospital has the power to make their life hell if they dare to try and leave. Really the hospital is acting like a psycho boyfriend.

@syntaksoftwaredevelopment4438

2 жыл бұрын

This is a more than terrible precedent. This kind of thing could be used all the time to sanction an employee when they leave. We can't have this and an example has to made of the company executing this action before it spreads!

@jakegarrett8109

2 жыл бұрын

@@syntaksoftwaredevelopment4438 Yeah, if a competitor is offering better work conditions and 50% pay raise, and you aren't willing to match it? Sounds like tuff luck and dumb management (because clearly the other guy has it figured out if they can afford that and you can't). Only thing would be NDA's and non-compete agreements, but that doesn't mean they can keep you at slave wages or refuse to promote you while cutting off all other sources of income.

@huflungpu4456

2 жыл бұрын

They will lose more doing this

@alicegilbert4186

2 жыл бұрын

I agree

@jg1rock

2 жыл бұрын

After hearing this I would never work for that hospital. This will decimate their hiring of prospective employees.

This judge is clearly violating their civil rights. Every lawyer for the health care workers should contact that bar association and file to have him disbarred.

@TheSiriusEnigma

2 жыл бұрын

The Barr can’t do a thing until the final judgment is given. Judges are protected by draconian laws while sitting on their cases. The protection only goes away after the cases are closed or moved.

@RoseKindred

2 жыл бұрын

@David Caudill Steve brought that up, it is not slavery because they are not forced to work, they are just essentially stopped from working at the new location. Theoretically (have to see the actual order from the judge) they could apply elsewhere and keep working until this is settled. That doesn't make it right, but it is not the same level as slavery.

@Skank_and_Gutterboy

2 жыл бұрын

The president and CEO of ThedaCare is an MD that doesn't need his license anymore.

@Nerdrdnck

2 жыл бұрын

Violation of the right to pursue happiness. Total bulls#!t.

@RyanBlackhawke

2 жыл бұрын

It isn't the bar that sanctions judges.

It always bugged me that you're expected to give a 2 week notice when you're about to quit, but a company doesn't have to give you notice when they are going to fire you. One of the reasons why I never bothered giving a 2 week notice when I quit a place because the company doesn't care if they hurt me by firing me, why should I care if the company is hurt by me quitting.

@ThunderStruck94660

3 ай бұрын

Exactly. I never give notice now. I have not worked in a place that gives any loyalty whatsoever.

@amandanichole8648

Ай бұрын

I do the same. I just tell them "I quit." And walk out. And NEVER sign any contracts.

@Sanquinity

21 күн бұрын

The only reason to give notice is to hopefully still get a good reference for your next job. If you don't need that, 2 weeks notice is only a detriment to yourself.

@Dragonette666

4 күн бұрын

@@Sanquinity the notice lets you leave in good standing in case you ever want to come crawling back lol Some places deserve it. Some don't. If i leave my current job I want to give them notice they have been cool. Last job cut my hours, so I told them I was done working there the day before I went to work at a new job

And this is another reason why judges should not be immune to lawsuits when they decide to act like dictators.

@mithicash1444

Ай бұрын

This might make sense on the surface, but then you have judges who can simply be forced to do things by people litigation them to death regardless it its warranted. The system is designed like this for a reason

@joshmonus

Ай бұрын

@@mithicash1444 The system is highly corrupted and judges are allowed to legislate from the bench their political ideologies, opinions and whatever bribes they are accepting. This system is eviscerating the constitution, the very law of the land it was designed to protect in the first place. This is completely unacceptable and these tyrannical judges need to be prosecuted for treason.

@willwaite1447

Ай бұрын

No one qualified would want to be a judge and nothing would ever get done. Court is for people that can't come to a reasonable compromise.

@joshmonus

Ай бұрын

@@willwaite1447 Wrong, only criminals who have no intention of upholding the constitution would no longer want to be judges.

@Dragonette666

4 күн бұрын

@@willwaite1447 with power comes responsibility , if you can't be responsible you don't need to be anywhere near power. That's one of the main problems with this country.

The fact that the judge upheld the ruling preventing them from going to their new job is absolutely insane. They can't "poach" employees. They can offer them more $. Capitalism.

@jrobson100

2 жыл бұрын

Maybe the hospital should make coffee at home and cut down on the avocado toast so they can afford to pay their employees more.

@youtubehatesfreedom1870

2 жыл бұрын

I know if the new hospital would let me work I'd good to the new job and work a scumbag mentally ill cross dressing judge doesn't own me I'm free

@easterworshipper5579

2 жыл бұрын

anyone reckon the court would issue an injunction if a hospital decided to lay off half the staff?

@jrobson100

2 жыл бұрын

@@youtubehatesfreedom1870 Last I head the new employer has told the workers "Look, just come in and start with us on Monday like normal, our legal team will take care of things." Basically calling the judge's bluff, which is great.

@uncovidvaxxforthestrongand3582

2 жыл бұрын

this isn't capitalism. capitalism uplifts. these are pigs perverting capitalism.

The fact that a judge would apply this injunction is sickening. We need a way to remove corrupt, evil judges like this.

@devinazevedo1122

2 жыл бұрын

They used to feather judges like this one

@DeadTyrantsAreGoodForSociety

2 жыл бұрын

Execute tyrants Problem solved

@benvarela4472

2 жыл бұрын

It doesn't seem American, what this judge is doing does it???

@linkmiles1235

2 жыл бұрын

@@devinazevedo1122 lol l

@3_up_moon

2 жыл бұрын

He made a ruiling that breaks the law!

This is like a non compete that typically is thrown out because you cannot prevent a person from earning a living.

I'm not a lawyer but this such a dangerous precedent I wouldn't be surprised at the higher courts come in and say no you cannot do this

They weren’t really “poached” for money - I can all but guarantee it’s the management of the previous employer that has created this situation. “People don’t quit bad Jo’s, they quit bad management “

@bowlsallbroken

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, after pulling this legal crap I can only image what working for them day to day was like.

@betsyadams9670

2 жыл бұрын

Especially with the whole group leaving. A couple people maybe the money, but all of them it is work environment then money for sure.

@paulghignon4092

2 жыл бұрын

I have to also wonder if this whole thing was an attempt to get the other company to take their offer off the table.

@GameDevCade

2 жыл бұрын

@@paulghignon4092 good point

@mervyngreene6687

2 жыл бұрын

@@paulghignon4092 Of course it is. This is a case of corporate arrogance. If these employees were that critical, why were they "at will" in the first place? Greed!

This is why you NEVER tell an employer where you're going when you resign. "I'm resigning. Where I go after is not your concern."

@jemjones5675

2 жыл бұрын

And screw two week's notice. "Oh, you didn't give us two weeks notice"...." I literally just saw you walk Ted out the other day, where was his two week's notice?"

@cheshire_skatkat9093

2 жыл бұрын

@@jemjones5675 damn right! I left two jobs without two weeks notice just recently. I did so because I watched both of of them fire people when they put in their two weeks. Just bam, fired. Gone. Walked out on the spot. I no longer believe in two week notices because 1. They treat you different when they know you are leaving. 2. They sure as hell don't give you a two week notice when they fire you for whatever reason.

@togowack

2 жыл бұрын

@@cheshire_skatkat9093 Or it can be 2 weeks for you to terrify the company with things you might do in that time.

@Johnson13210

2 жыл бұрын

Considering it was a mass exodus, It wouldn't be that hard to figure out.

@DungeonMiser

2 жыл бұрын

The level of labor regulations demands regular communication with the previous employer. It's impossible to keep secrets from system bureaucrats.

Corporations would rather pay their attorneys than pay their employees.

@mithicash1444

Ай бұрын

Those organizations usually have legal reps on retainer so they don't pay as much in fees as you think. At least not more than they do anyway. That is why they are more than happy to start dumb litigation.

How did this end? I can't believe that an ex employer can block future work for people? That's just insane.

@mrpokemon1186

Жыл бұрын

There’s an update linked in the description

Last I heard the lawyers at Ascension have told the workers to just come in and start their new jobs as normal on Monday and they'll handle the legal fallout, essentially calling the judge's bluff. Also there's a gofundme for the workers to give them enough money to outlast the hospital, raised almost 50K last I checked on it.

@Viesta

2 жыл бұрын

that sounds like some god-like action there.

@qwerty_artist

2 жыл бұрын

Good on them, honestly this situation kinda scares me, imagine if more companies did this

@kevinskipp2762

2 жыл бұрын

Sounds like injunction is illegal to me. They have no contract, they can quit and once they've quit they can work for who they like. There's literally no legal basis for the suit, so how the judge can grant an injunction to prevent someone taking up employment at a place of their choosing is beyond me

@craigsullivan9093

2 жыл бұрын

@@qwerty_artist Don't provide any type of notice and they won't even know that you've quit

@danielseelye6005

2 жыл бұрын

Old Hospital - "You can't work there!" "I'm not working, I'm _volunteering._ " 😉

Insane. The fact the court allowed the temporary injunction is chilling. Even more so was the judge's thinly veiled threat of indefinite financial harm to the employees if they didn't play ball.

@christophercarrigg3775

2 жыл бұрын

Talk about rogue tyrant of a judge

@cgbdfb52

2 жыл бұрын

The judge may have received "medical consulting fees."

@BloodSweatandGears

2 жыл бұрын

And here I thought slavery/ involunatary servatude was banned in the USA.

@michigangeezer3950

2 жыл бұрын

Work there on a "voluntary basis", then get an extra large "signing bonus" once the court stuff is over? 😉

@oceandrew

2 жыл бұрын

Welcome to MAGAworld... home of the American Taliban.

So who was the idiot judge that allowed the clearly unjustifiable, and therefore illegal injuction to block people from working? What penalties have they faced?

God this case boils my blood. If i had a former employer try to slap me with a restraining order to stop me working for someone else, i'd catch a homicide charge the next day for sure.

@dongriffith2662

4 ай бұрын

I'd stand outside on the sidewalk with a bunch of signs explaining the entire situation, the entire time of the suit. Then when it's said and done I'd sue the employer for loss of wages. , damages, and mental damages as well.

Imagine applying for a job that just sued its own employees. This will backfire hard.

@stargatetitanx

2 жыл бұрын

i really hope more people leave the old job

@sharonwolfe5210

2 жыл бұрын

One can only hope...

@georgemartin5980

2 жыл бұрын

Yep, have fun getting contract workers.

@tatichadow

2 жыл бұрын

Haha I didn't even think about that side of it. Total self own.

@batboy555

2 жыл бұрын

Oh I would have fun with this.

This isn't about keeping the employees in question. This is about scaring and intimidating other employees that haven't left.

@MrMartinSchou

2 жыл бұрын

It'd be a real shame if the rest of Thedacare's staff decides to apply to work at other hospitals.

@nedt8778

2 жыл бұрын

I think you nailed it.

@debkinnard7176

2 жыл бұрын

Spot on.

@jermainerace4156

2 жыл бұрын

I'm surprised more peopel aren't commenting this; it's actually quite obvious.

@stargatetitanx

2 жыл бұрын

yep they should all leave and dont say to where Wisconsin is a Right-to-Work States when i leave a job with a 2 week notice and they ask me where i plan on going i tell them none of your business

I’m not an attorney but when I am notified of this on Monday morning at the hearing I’m serving the hospital a lawsuit for tortious interference of a contract and asking for damages plus punitive damages in a completely unrelated lawsuit and I’m asking 3 other employees to sign on to make it a class action….they like lawyer fees let’s just make it really expensive

Thanks for this video, as I didn't know about this case until just now (10/14/22). I've looked at the ruling that has since been issued, and I'm going to reference this case to my students in class on Monday since it fits right into what we'll be discussing. I love it when serendipity happens!

The judge is a scumbag for not dismissing this immediately.

@CharacterMatterz

2 жыл бұрын

Lots of scumbag judges coming to light lately...

@MrDazzlerdarren

2 жыл бұрын

But the brown envelope was big!

@birdlady2725

2 жыл бұрын

Probably bought n paid for by hospital mother corporation... follow the behind closed door benefits 🤣😩

@southerninterloper4107

2 жыл бұрын

@A H He's up for re-election in 2023. It's in the hands of voters in Outagamie.

@rs232killer

2 жыл бұрын

This is the same judge that kept a guy in jail for 42 days and tried to fine him $5k for rolling his eyes. He was eventually overruled, but the guy still sat in jail a month and a half.

Let's let this judge go, without pay, until the hospital workers can exercise their right to leave one job to another.

@theultimatereductionist7592

2 жыл бұрын

EXACTLY!

@joshdupont2209

2 жыл бұрын

Until the hospital workers cN work where they want? Let that POS go forever.

The fact that judge did not immediately throw out this case is criminal

Thank you for posting this, and putting it human terms, rather than a legalies breakdown. It's videos like this that make it ten times easier to explain thing at union meetings without too much fuss.

I’m a lawyer in Florida, which is also a “right to work” state where all employees are at will. This is an absurd ruling from the judge. In Florida, at a minimum, the hospital would’ve been required to post a bond in the amount of the worker’s salaries for an injunction - a temporary injunction is unconstitutional without one under the Florida state constitution. If I were the workers, I’d be countersuing for damages and arguing that the hospital violated their rights as at-will employees.

@northgrave

2 жыл бұрын

I'm late to this one (and understand that the TRO has been pulled), but I thought that part of the decision was based on the probability that the party making the application for the TRO would prevail in the actual lawsuit. Presumably, for that party to show that they could prevail they would have to have some legal argument, even if not completely developed, to present to the judge ruling on the TRO. Perhaps I missed it, but I don't remember hearing what that was. I'm not sure how their "concerns" about patient well-being made for a legal argument regarding at-will employment. Shouldn't the judge who issues the TRO have pressed them on this? Thoughts?

@AresCosmos137

2 жыл бұрын

But it is Wisconsin. They gave up the constitution years ago.

@bubbasmith179

2 жыл бұрын

Oh , they must know they will be counter sued . Some manager mucked up and are now making it worse

@stevenmobley5882

2 жыл бұрын

@@AresCosmos137 Wisconsin legal system just keeps coming up like it is a complete mess with some really bad actors all across the board.

@nwatson2773

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly!

This is a perfect example of why judges should not be Immune from all lawsuits. The court clearly overstepped their bounds here. I would not be surprised if the Judge was somehow linked to Thedacare.

@3_up_moon

2 жыл бұрын

My thoughts as well. He has to be getting something out of this to make a ruiling that conflicts with the laws he is supposed to be ruling by

@johnarnold24

2 жыл бұрын

or a secrete society !

@3_up_moon

2 жыл бұрын

@@johnarnold24 I'm thinking it has to do with organ farming.

@bonusfact3202

2 жыл бұрын

1st Hospital: "If you leave it will cost lives b/c we won't get your help at this hospital." Also 1st Hospital: "We aren't gonna let you work b/c you may save lives somewhere else." Me: "I don't think this has to do with saving lives."

@RobertEmery

2 жыл бұрын

This is the result of corporate oligarchy... They literally think they OWN their employees like slaves. And the judge apparently is ok with that. In America. 🤯

The fact that the hospital filed suit is a core reason not to work there. If I googled an employer and saw they sued their employees, I would be moving on without applying.

Ozzie- America has just got completely out of hand . Courts should completely stay out of individuals liberty to live their own lives and not interfer in competition in the economy. America became a successful nation based on capitalism and free market systems that self correct by supply and demand. Beaurocrates (Judges)interfering will sink the nation.

Honestly, the ex-employers should need to pay millions for filing this baseless suit, if they are employed at-will, they can leave whenever they want

@davezad

2 жыл бұрын

Unless the courts decide it's time to set a new precedent, that workers are owned. Somehow it wouldn't surprise me if at least one corporate judge along the way sided with the employer making the suit.

@gilliganallmighty3

2 жыл бұрын

The judge should be kicked off the bench for making such a ruling preventing the employees from changing jobs.

@TheSjuris

2 жыл бұрын

@@gilliganallmighty3 won’t happen, his Republican supporters will protect him and their slave owners. Same area that supports Q’anon Ron even though he transferred jobs from that area to help his buddies in China.

@spidalack

2 жыл бұрын

Honestly, I hope the employees sue the pants off them.

@davezad

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, they should. But honestly, I can think of a few supreme court judges who themselves would like to tinker with the 13th amendment and it feels as if we live in times where they could actually do it. Imagine if at-will employment only applied to the employer.

"If we cant have you no one will" This is malicious and the courts have no right to step in and stop these employees from working. The hospital who filed the suit should be REQUIRED to pay the employees wages.

@talisikid1618

2 жыл бұрын

And ALL legal costs. And be warned of more severe consequences if they file another frivolous lawsuit.

@autophile525i

2 жыл бұрын

At the higher wage of their new jobs.

@devinazevedo1122

2 жыл бұрын

Kangaroo Court

@tyronmegawatts6580

2 жыл бұрын

Unreal

@Nickle314

2 жыл бұрын

And the employees should hand over a piece of paper with their new daily fee rates.

The idea that a judge has any authority to enact such a ruling is so patently absurd that it should be completely ignored. That judge should be removed, disbarred, and locked up for even allowing such a ridiculous suit to proceed in the first place. This is criminal stupidity.

The hospital that won’t let them work should be sued by the former employees for lost wages.

I love how a business can say "well it's not personal, it's just business" and then turn around and be shocked that their employees are not loyal.

@yeahyeahwowman8099

2 жыл бұрын

Reality is most businesses will straight up get rid of you if a cheaper solution pops up, which is the reason why company loyalty always baffles me. Get it if you work for a place that treats you good, theres people getting screwed over left and right, will still sit there and defend it.

@merlin4real

2 жыл бұрын

Yep. Hiring someone doesn't mean you own them. You are simply purchasing their labor. They can choose to sell to someone else whenever they want. Anything less is servitude.

@codyschmidt510

2 жыл бұрын

@@yeahyeahwowman8099 that used to be my place of work before they became a merger and went corporate. Me and the other 9 guys in the shop are getting jobs lined up so we can leave next month, it was a great place but after going Corp two years ago our manager has gone from someone that you can joke with to a guy that if you make a joke to he threatens to fire you. Can't wait to watch that place fall apart when we leave.

@yeahyeahwowman8099

2 жыл бұрын

@@codyschmidt510 Remember knowing our department was gonna get laid off when upper management pulled one of the oldest tricks in the book back in 2010. Gone and basically were ignoring us, not really caring what we were up to, then one Friday I see a woman from human resources in our department, I just started laughing.

By the time this is resolved, the 2nd hospital will have already filled those positions and the at-will employees will be out of work. This is a Class Action lawsuit that needs to happen, and the old hospital AND the Judge needs to be sued for so much money they permanently learn their lessons. The money that Theta-Care is spending to fight this legal battle is FAR MORE than they would have paid to match the offer. That's how insane this is!

@MattyDove

2 жыл бұрын

If you think those positions will all be filled quickly, you are mistaken. Everyone needs people and people are tired of working for low wages. There is a ton of competition right now.

@maryelizabeth6797

2 жыл бұрын

Sin of pride. It’s a pure case of ‘I want what I want because I want it’ and will self destruct if necessary.

@Nemesis-pe7mw

2 жыл бұрын

No not the hospital! The management of the hospital...

@herbertshallcross9775

2 жыл бұрын

Just because a harm can be identified does not mean any wrong has been committed. The judge has violated an innocent party's rights to make the other party whole.

@alexanderelderhorst2107

2 жыл бұрын

Just like how police continue to bully or harass people even when they have been proven innocent, they just can't admit when they were wrong about someone and they continue dropping more resources with the hope that their efforts weren't wasted. It's like gambling except instead of a low chance to win, there's 0 chance to win.

My husband loves your show now. We were listening out in the hot tub. He says if you treat your people good they don’t want to go. Have a great night. We’re listening ❤️🇨🇦

I love the way you explain your train of thought! Nothing like common sense & logic!

Given that they were at will employees, the court was WRONG to issue this injunction. At will is all anyone, including the court, needs to know. If an employer wants to secure their staff, they should have them under contract.

@MonkeyJedi99

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly!

@cornfed123567

2 жыл бұрын

Yup, even trying to force someone under contract to stay is stupid. If someone wants to quit, their mindset is of someone who no longer cares about that job. Trying to force someone to stay will only cause them to collect a check and do as little as possible

@rossstevens6165

2 жыл бұрын

Or, the old Hospital could have compensated and treated them better.

@ohsweetmystery

2 жыл бұрын

Why does Lehto not address the 'at will' issue immediately? That's the only thing we all are wondering about.

@andybonneau9209

2 жыл бұрын

@@cornfed123567 A contract is a n agreement, and once you sign it, your bound to it just like the other guy is. If these employees had been under contract, I would have sided with the employer. A deal is a deal.

If they are “at will” employees then the judge should have dismissed the lawsuit. There is no reasons to go through this. There must be a way to recall such judges.

@AugustVonpetersborg

2 жыл бұрын

No that's an intentional part of the judge system, something normal people have no say in so the abuses cannot be addressed except by another judge. No part of this legal system is for your benefit, assuming you're not a successful capitalist or other kind of power broker.

@AndresColumbus

2 жыл бұрын

this is called 'extortion' and 'slavery'. The CCP does it all the time so why not here!?

@nondescriptnyc

2 жыл бұрын

I think there may have been a slight misunderstanding in the beginning of this video-that at-will employees aren’t on contract. At-will employment DOES (and should) carry contracts, indicating such. Frequently, at-will employment comes w/ relatively complex sets of restrictions (not all of which would stand in court, of course). Some at-will employees, for instance, are asked to sign contracts and/or NDAs which may restrict their ability to seek employment with industry competitors. Again, not all of these would stand in court in the end, but employers are so sneaky that they’d throw in these clauses to make it hard for at-will employees to be truly “at will.”

@justinmclean5778

2 жыл бұрын

judges can be impeached by an act of congress at state level or federal level depending on if its a federal judge or not.

@tifforo1

2 жыл бұрын

If "at-will" ceased to mean "at-will" when it involves multiple employees at once, layoffs would be illegal.

they need to sue the Judge, as he is preventing them changing their place of work. Freedom of movement, which is a Constitutional right.

I would guarantee one thing if I was one of those employees. Whoever is responsible within that hospital for this lawsuit, that lawsuit would be the least of their concerns.

Clearly this is ridiculous. I’m an RN and I’d sue. I would also bet money that if on the slim chance this case is successful, other hospitals will follow suit and hold all healthcare professionals hostage. It seems that would be the overall intent on a bigger scale to continue to pay shit pay and continue the abuse for patients and staff. Ps: it’s not the healthcare professionals responsibility to supply staff, it’s the facilities. The hospital is negligent entirely

@AshenTechDotCom

2 жыл бұрын

when i have SEEN people i know leave and get other work because, one place was pushing mandates, the other was not, i can just see if this was an "at-will" state issue how they could have ended up blocked, the thing is... all of these people have worked the whole time, they have been exposed and are better protected then any "vaccine" will offer, according to every study thats come out... hell israels study showed 13x better from prior infection vs the "Vaccines" (immune modifiers to be more realistic about what they do/how they work..) i know a few were being shamed as "Anti-Vax" despite having all their other shots, just not ones that arent even fully approved, that they have seen some pretty nasty side effects from first hand treating the victims... after my reaction to the first 2 doses i refused to get more, my specialist actually agreed after i told him how much worse it made my health, and just as it was starting to get back to normal the 2nd dose..its been months and im still more inflamed then i have been in years... full body inflammation, that was under far far better control prior to the jab... i have always been more worried about the "Stupid Virus" as we started calling the rioting idiocy in portland, then i have been cv19... i have health issues, but they all stem from my immune system being on overdrive all the time, i rarely get ill, and when i do its not colds or flu's its.. food poisoning... as odd as that may sound... at 16 i quit getting the flu shot.. i have had the flu 1 time since, and im 43 as of last nov, and that time... it was like a bad cold... the rest of the family was down for over a week with the stomach flu... i was "ill" for 3 days, the 4th i woke up feeling better then i had in quite a while if a bit more easily fatigued, kept them taken care of till they were on the mend... even then... i just felt like i had a moderate cold at worst.. they were dying... with the number of times i have been exposed to cv19, im pretty sure, i already had the antibodies before i got the jab anyway... quite a few people i was in contact with over the year came down with cv19, if they would cover antibody testing via my insurance i have little doubt im protected by more then a jab... that i doubt did me any good at all...with how horrible it made me feel... oh the other hand.... i know a few people with serious health issues who genuinely needed to get the jab if only to wait for a mild varient like omicon that... funny enough they ALL GOT AROUND THANKSGIVING/XMAS... even the ones who were triple vaxxed and boosted to hell..infact they got sicker then the ones who had no jab at all... one of our friends was so scared by the media, she got 2 of each, M, P and J&J, she ended up in the hosp for a week, the only one who was vaxxed to that degree, the only one to endup in the ER and under ICU monitoring... (even the immunologist told her that was likely why she was hit so hard, these 'vaccines' can knock your immune system down and around, making you more susceptible to infection in general, im also told by my own immunologist that they dont like to give too many traditional vaccines too close togather anymore either, as they have realized it can have the opposite effect intended at times, with these new 'vaccines', we need long term controlled studies before we will know how safe they are long term and how best to use them. i genuinely believe they wouldnt have pushed nearly as hard with lockdowns and mandates if the democrats hadnt lost the power they are entitled to... because they did and they saw no easy way out or upside for themselves to backing down from what they insisted would save us during the last guys admin... oh...and lets not forget that they have come out in strong support of the #GreatReset where we will own nothing, rent everything and be happier then ever before in history...

@Pew_For_Pleasure

2 жыл бұрын

Agreed

@BruceS42

2 жыл бұрын

I agree too, except that the damage is not restricted to healthcare. What stops an employer in another field from using the same tactic? The judge should be censured for this abusive decision.

@culby276

2 жыл бұрын

@@BruceS42 agree wholeheartedly.

@Garth2011

2 жыл бұрын

Sue them? With what, your saving account of a half a million? Better off leaving them and finding a different employer other than this intended one.

The judge is crazy to allow the charges. Should have been dismissed immediately.

@atticstattic

2 жыл бұрын

'Charges'?

@Viesta

2 жыл бұрын

pretty sure this isn't a criminal case.

@healthyandrew5294

2 жыл бұрын

"Charges" should be filed against the judge immediately then the death penalty to keep other "judges" from doing favors for their lawyer friends like this.

@atticstattic

2 жыл бұрын

@A H ⁷ List the 'charges' or stfu

@SmallSpoonBrigade

2 жыл бұрын

I'm not sure what the basis of the suit is. If it's tortious interference, there may potentially a path to victory. As in the new medical facility interfered with the employment of these employees in a way that violates the law. At least in theory.

file suit against the old hospital AND, seek disciplinary measures against the Judge.

Very Interesting. I like hearing your hosts!

One of the saddest things in this country is that wealthy people and large businesses have been able to use the legal system as a way to bully others for profit. They always brag that At-Will means they can dump employees for any reason, now the shoe is on the other foot they cry for protection.

@thistles

2 жыл бұрын

Yes! At-will was designed to benefit the employer, but as soon as that backfires, it no longer applies? No way.

@slcRN1971

2 жыл бұрын

Disgusting‼️ This seems to be a way for that hospital to ‘punish’ ‘at-will employees’ that dare to want better: pay, work conditions, and time for families!! Over my hospital nursing career (which started in the early 1970s), this ‘high-handedness’ used by hospital management seems only to get worse each decade. 🤯🙄

@ravengrey6874

2 жыл бұрын

It's funny how many of those kinds of tricks have backfired on employers in recent years. Couple of years ago it was SOP to include "Mediation" clauses in contracts and terms of service (still is but those clauses have been rewritten to prevent what follows), then a couple tens of thousands of "employees" (i'm pretty sure they were classified as gig or contract workers) all took up that mediation at the same time, suddenly companies wanted a class action b/c it would actually be cheaper

One question for Hospital A: How much luck are you expecting to have hiring new workers now that it’s widely known that you’re willing to sue your former workers for quitting?

@nodak81

2 жыл бұрын

If companies can manage to hire scabs during union strikes, then these guys will have no problem finding idiots willing to work for them.

@quintrankid8045

2 жыл бұрын

And isn't everyone surprised that the employees left to go to another place?

@elmateo77

2 жыл бұрын

​@@nodak81 Not necessarily, those type of union battles usually happen in low education factory jobs. Doctors tend to have more options and do more research into a potential employer.

@mrtuk4282

2 жыл бұрын

@@nodak81 No they will just apply to work for Hospital B after hearing that they get better wages and benefits there !

@ab935

2 жыл бұрын

​@@elmateo77 doctors are rarely staff aka employees. Staff tends to be cna, orderlies, nurses etc.

Hthe "judge" SHOULD NOT be able to stop the employees from working at the other hospital! Liberalism is such a curse to society!

Always interesting, thank you.

The employer cannot impose a single freaking thing. I’d go after them for lost wages after the fact. That’s ridiculous.

@mikelisteral7863

2 жыл бұрын

covid is the new communism.

@Marinealver

2 жыл бұрын

They need to sue that Hospital until it goes bankrupt.

@bobross4886

2 жыл бұрын

I would sue for much more than that. There has to be a nice lawsuit here somewhere.

@TradBarbie

2 жыл бұрын

The judge is the one to blame. The company can cry and try all they want, the judge should've laughed them out of the court.

@jennoscura2381

2 жыл бұрын

@@mikelisteral7863 I didn't realize that covid lead us to a stateless classless society.

How does the judge have the “authority” to prevent a free person from freely changing employment? What would happen if they just went to their new employers and clocked in? Would it be a criminal offense?

@jacobrzeszewski6527

2 жыл бұрын

I believe the new employer would be held responsible for allowing the TRO to be violated. Having said that, the TRO is BS anyway.

@eggpod4567

2 жыл бұрын

@@jacobrzeszewski6527 Nope. They wouldn't be held accountable, considering the order from the judge is illegal to begin with.

@ShaferHart

2 жыл бұрын

@@eggpod4567 it's not illegal until a very expensive legal proceeding says it is.

@eggpod4567

2 жыл бұрын

@@ShaferHart Laywer up and sue the hell out of the judge and the employer. What they're doing is illegal as fuck.

@TremereTT

2 жыл бұрын

@@eggpod4567 So if the TRO orders the employees to not work and make money and starve to death and become homeless in the endeffect, they have to follow through and die in a winter night under a bridge.

It baffles me how is that possible that a judge can force people to not work when they haven't broken any contracts. They are people not property.

How can a judge block at-will employees from working at another company? How is that legal?

How does the court even have a reason to be involved? The court has no business holding these employees back from their new job?

@SirReptitious

2 жыл бұрын

I was thinking that too. How can they have an at-will work LAW, yet at the same time the first hospital is allowed to prevent them from going to work at the second hospital, thus apparently implying that there is no such thing as an at-will work law??

@strawberrylotlizard

2 жыл бұрын

@@SirReptitious no they aren't allowed to stop them

@jimcress2058

2 жыл бұрын

@@strawberrylotlizard did you not pay attention to anything that was said in the video and his comment...OR... am I just confused at what you said.

If they're at will employees HOW does this judge have any control over where these people work? This is creating a dangerous precedent that in essence makes workers slaves.

@smurfx

2 жыл бұрын

i read that the employees went to work anyway because the judge can't really enforce anything. still this idiot needs to never be a judge again.

@rodh1404

2 жыл бұрын

@@smurfx They might do that, but this all happened on the 21st, and they're due to start work on the 24th.

@JayHarrisGuitarLessons

2 жыл бұрын

It sounds to me like one of those build back better ideas!

@jrobdickson8498

2 жыл бұрын

@@JayHarrisGuitarLessons kindly administer self-copulation.

@alroth6308

2 жыл бұрын

biden democrat slave masters think the employees are their slaves.......no surprise from slave masters. maybe the slaves should do as biden's nazi brownshirts have done and burnt buildings to the ground as when being really being enslaved by democrat filth, the democrat filth needs to understand that such evil is not to be tolerated. sadly democrat slave masters like to DICTATE who can work according to vaccine status or provide "preference" by racist criteria set by racist democrat "quotas"

Your video was so interesting that I went searching....to see how it was resolved... Thx Have a great day

I believe that this is a very strong signal to those health care workers that they need to unionize.

The fact that the judge would even entertain this bullsh1t let alone partially side with the hospital is beyond disgraceful. I hope all the people sue the hospital.

@whereswaldo5740

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah. Who does he think he is? Chief Justice Roberts? Making a mandatory insurance a tax. Legislating from the bench. But seriously folks. They have rules laws mandates and plans that state when THEY feel you are ready they can pull you out of school and put you in a job that will be your job for the rest of your life. Like Fry in Futurama being a delivery boy. Forever.

@midnull6009

2 жыл бұрын

Why is this bullshit? I mean...that's what they're doing with vaccine mandates.... They can do whatever they want. :)

I'm no lawyer, but blocking at-will employees people from working at a new job seems equally unconstitutional. If a judge is bluffing, that certainly seems like official misconduct. I'd like to see EVERY employee to leave that medical group as a result of this and every citizen to boycott them.

@toddgardner2826

Жыл бұрын

I would immediately start a temporary labor service and hire all my ex coworkers and send them to the new hospital as Temps that work for me, not the hospital. Charge them 5% so that they can still get paid, still work, still provide for the community, leaving me stuck outside because I started the agency... (because the judge will likely hold me in contempt).

@namor3607

Жыл бұрын

You're assuming that at-will employment laws were ever intended to be fair or equally applied to employers and employees. Huge assumption. No evidence exists to suggest this was ever intended.

@mathewvarner6597

Жыл бұрын

If the employees have to return to work or be forced into poverty, that is pretty harmful to the individual just for trying to find a better job. THEDA could take years to find replacements. They should have thought about that in their long term short term analysis.

@craven1599

Жыл бұрын

Kinda hard to choose which hospital you go to in an emergency

@jebshere

Жыл бұрын

@@namor3607 at will employment laws were designed to prevent black workers from unionizing with white workers in Arkansas. So it was never intended to be in the employees favor.

They filed the lawsuit to intimidate other employees who might want to do the same thing.

All you have to do is put in a appeal to a higher court and apply for a job at a third different hospital outside the injunction judge's jurisdiction!

The reason they can't work at the new place is the fault of this judge and no one else. Also whoever thought this injunction was a good idea deserves a little involuntary servitude.

@Isador911

2 жыл бұрын

Its the fault of the old employer as well. They should have more respect for their employees than to act like this but then This is capitalism at work I suppose.

@ajobdunwell2585

2 жыл бұрын

@@Isador911 Not at all. This is slimy of the old employer but they can rant and rave all they want, the only binding decision here is that of the judge, and it's tenuous whether he even has the authority to grant this request from the salty employer.

@cult_of_odin

2 жыл бұрын

@@ajobdunwell2585 I'd love to know what kind of insane BS that judge is on. He has no authority to tell someone they can't work at a place they are hired.

@fenixiliusstrife1253

2 жыл бұрын

@@Isador911 How is being told u cant work for who you want free market capitalism. Ill be waiting for that explanation, because it doesn't sound like it to me. Don't tell me the problem is X, when X is not even being done. A judge telling you who you can work with, is not free market capitalism.

@ajobdunwell2585

2 жыл бұрын

@@cult_of_odin I'm curious who's representing the employees. Is their future employer springing for representation or are they going to have to come out of pocket? I found a couple versions of the story, but none mention their counsel.

This is truly disgusting behavior on ThedaCare’s part. They 1000% do not prioritize patient care they had their opportunity to try to retain their employees and failed to do so. I as a healthcare professional will never consider a position with them solely based upon their handling of this situation.

@no_peace

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly, no one who could get hired anywhere else would apply there

@theBear89451

2 жыл бұрын

Bad ThedaCare? No, bad judge.

@no_peace

2 жыл бұрын

The same thing happened at an early education center I worked at. They paid nothing but required a ton of experience and advanced education, then started demanding a focus on bureaucracy instead of direct services. They could only get lead teachers who couldn't get an education job anywhere else, then they wondered why the school sucked and parents were unhappy. I moved to a different agency.

@pws3rd170

2 жыл бұрын

@@theBear89451 bad both. But ThedaCare is worse for actually filing the lawsuit

@danwells9525

2 жыл бұрын

@Pink 🦍 Buddough Well, it is.

That judge should be removed from the bench for blocking workers from being hired. The case should have been tossed. If you wanted to keep the workers then pay more money.

Lots of health care workers felt how little they are appreciated in 2020, myself included. They say you're so necessary and vital yet fight back with all their might when you want a raise to just keep up with inflation. Then you got coworkers who work oncall somewhere else and year they got a 1000$ end of the year bonus to thank them for their work. While the hospital you've been at for 3 years give you a 50$ Amazon gift card. Then you try to leave because it's just taking so much out of you and they try to get all legal with you and make it as hard as they're can for you too leave... I am never going back to health care.

Treating this like a valid “case” is just plain wrong. This is a frivolous case. Call it what it is!

This is a SLAPP lawsuit. The judge had no legal authority to prevent the "at-will" employees from taking a job at any place they choose.

@pierrechildress8875

2 жыл бұрын

Yes. Why does a Judge have the power to prevent qualified at will applicants from working anywhere they want, anytime they want? This seems like judicial activism of the worst kind.

@Dave.O

2 жыл бұрын

@@pierrechildress8875 I agree with you, right wing judicial activism: protect business at all costs.

@michaelcosta7235

2 жыл бұрын

@@Dave.O he's a Democrat. Choke on those apples.

@teamtinyturtle9103

2 жыл бұрын

@@Dave.O The guy is a *demoKKKrat.*

@mikemartin5909

2 жыл бұрын

@@teamtinyturtle9103 be orrriginal

Can you imagine a Hospital suing their employees? Who would work for a company like that?

Right to life liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

I’m a RN and can tell you hospitals have been abusing the nursing staff for years, I worked 60+ a week for 5 years straight without a vacation, I had to quit to get time off, hospitals like to run tight shifts with no extra nurses as backup and not enough to do the job, you can’t even call in sick because there is no one to fill in. People have no idea how bad things are

@XFizzlepop-Berrytwist

2 жыл бұрын

I’d have to wonder if its due to an actual shortage of not enough people wanting to be nurses? Management refusing to hire more nurses, or a self fulfilling prophecy of sorts. Someone gets into nursing, but because of a shortage, and bad treatment, leaves that field. Maybe a mix of all 3? I’m not sure.

@ladwigs

2 жыл бұрын

Come work in, a Canadian Hospital, & take, yearly vacation time. Enjoy our lock-down society too 🥲

@calicocritterscrafts886

2 жыл бұрын

@@XFizzlepop-Berrytwist they refuse to hire any extra coverage in nurses because it affects their bottom line in “for profit” medicine and THEIR BONUSES. And there is the real crux of the matter.

@Jamie-dz8dg

2 жыл бұрын

@@calicocritterscrafts886 so true. Their staffing algorithms say 'x' nurses can accomplish the task and they get a fat bonus next quarter.

@marcie1671

2 жыл бұрын

My brother is a GP-he has been short staffed since day 1 two years ago after his practice got bought out.

I really feel like this is down to hospital A's poor planning. They thought they would protect their assets by having "At Will" employees rather than offer them the security of a contract. Sadly, they denied themselves the security of that contract, your gamble didn't pay off, take your lumps, live and learn. Telling someone they can't take a new job offer seems downright unconstitutional.

@danharold3087

2 жыл бұрын

Best I have heard yet

@efugee

2 жыл бұрын

burn it all down, let this house of cards collapse!

This case should be blared out all over traditional media and social media just to show how dirty they are. I bet the employer would then quickly find a way to drop their case and let these employees go to make a living. Nothing gets an employer to change their tune more quickly than bad publicity.

So a court really told these people that they could not except another job? What kind of freedom is that? I would never obey such an order, i dont see how a court thinks it has the right to refuse to let people make decisions about where they work.

Imagine that, corporations have zero problems laying off half their staff, even during the holidays. Then when employees leave en mass on their own, that's somehow unacceptable to them. I hope they get absolutely wrecked in court & these folks countersue for lost wages.

@niceatrya3477

2 жыл бұрын

@Chris G there is an easy fix for that. Offer a damn contract!

@michaelmayrend313

2 жыл бұрын

@Chris G Loyality checks - so in their reasoning was they were paying a bonus so you were obligated to stay 50 future weeks. Were they also promising to not release you for the next 50 weeks as a show of loyality?

@niceatrya3477

2 жыл бұрын

@Chris G to protect you from this bu!!$h!t! I am in the same boat as you! I prefer no contract because my skill set is in high demand and I’m good at it! I’d rather be able to leave at a moment’s notice if I felt it was no longer in my best interest. But my point remains. An employer can force me to accept a contract to continue employment.

@donaldphillips9403

2 жыл бұрын

I'm betting that the hospital that was attempting to hire these employees also has a legitimate case to sue the other hospital and the judge.

@sawyer4981

2 жыл бұрын

@@donaldphillips9403 I'd bet so as well. They're prevent willing applicants from filling roles they need to run their business.

I am in shock that a judge can keep a free American from working anywhere they want! This has got to be illegal.

@chrism8180

2 жыл бұрын

Heh, "free", that's good 😂

@TryMeFoolYT

2 жыл бұрын

wonder if they could all go against the judge once this is over

@fyrman9092

2 жыл бұрын

We'll probably get more info by Tuesday.

@jimmyzhao2673

2 жыл бұрын

Those so-called 'free Americans' were slaves trying to leave the plantation.

@oliviagoldin7737

2 жыл бұрын

The laws look good on paper but are open to interpretation

You really have developed the technique of talking to us as if we were sitting right in front of you. Good summation as usual. “Remind me in about 2 weeks…” that was funny…

The hospital called OHSU in Oregon was doing this when I left Portland about 7 years ago.

This is outrageous. Employers fight tooth and nail against unions or employment contracts and push right-to-work legislation wherever they can. The only recourse a worker has is to quit.....and the court takes that away?!?!?!

@zzzz-ok7733

2 жыл бұрын

Republican communism at work as usual!

@Mox3712

2 жыл бұрын

@@zzzz-ok7733 idiot - this has nothing to do with republicans. The only dictators in the US are democrats.

@SeattleBoatdog

2 жыл бұрын

Cool story bedwetter

@dansanger5340

2 жыл бұрын

@@Mox3712 Considering the FACT that the Republican candidate in the last presidential election tried to seize power after losing the election (LITERALLY trying to become an unelected dictator), you have a lot of gall accusing others of being dictators.

@joseph1150

2 жыл бұрын

@@AHeinermann I don't think you even know what fascism is. The Republicans are in no way in favor of Socialist Nationalism, they are in general wimps (cave to the first sign of democrat propaganda), or classically liberal (free enterprise and individual liberty). Democrats aren't even classically liberal (the only definition that should matter), they are progressives, which is the inspiration for the two dictators in Germany and Italy that founded the Fascist ideology.

Thought For The Day: If the Hospital will sue their employees, imagine what the Hospital will do to their patients! Run Away, Patients!

@ripvanrevs

2 жыл бұрын

I think those patients are traumatically injured and probably don't care who saves their life.

Instead of spending money on lawyers… use that money for a raise?? What jerk faces 🙄

Put some videos in your programs. Love you an your knowledge.

No... what I'm upset about is that a judge can tell a person they can't work at their new job because their old job is throwing a big fat hissy fit. That is unreal! The employee's don't have a contract with the hospital!

@strawberrylotlizard

2 жыл бұрын

They can't

I once was in the nursing program. Not a day goes by that I'm so thankful i switched my major to horticulture. My point of saying that is in nursery work there is very little drama and plants are easier to deal with then people.

The bond would be huge because we are not just talking about a few weeks pay if they miss the window to apply for the new jobs permanently.

Employees need to file a lawsuit immediately for lost wages against their former employer.

@weedle151

2 жыл бұрын

They should also file a lawsuit for mental and emotional trauma, physical and emotional trauma for stress, anxiety and lack of sleep, punitive damages for violating first amendment civil rights and any other and all punitive damages as a result of this hospital’s actions and/or rhetoric….

@otherbob23

2 жыл бұрын

Directly sue the judge for not letting them work.

@karlrovey

2 жыл бұрын

@@otherbob23 Unfortunately this would fall under judicial immunity.

@ronniepemberton1942

2 жыл бұрын

In addition to punitive damages

@aaronmcclsokey9315

2 жыл бұрын

@@otherbob23 they can’t sue the judge but they can sue the county/city he works for