I want to see your results about battery life when using navigation. And you can't see anything of the display when the sun shines on the display, because of the reflection.

@cyclewithdavid

3 ай бұрын

I hear that often that you can't see the display? I'm in Miami two weeks out of the year with crazy son pouring down and have never had trouble seeing the display. You're looking at large numbers not an Instagram post.

@cyclewithdavid

3 ай бұрын

Also my 80 mile ride I had GPS plugged in. Ended the ride with 20% left at 4pm. I do that ride once a year.

@korsveien

Ай бұрын

Many bike computers, for some odd reason, have the same problem. Wahoo is best in class when it comes to visibility. They are very clear even in direct sunlight.

I'm cool with baking my wahoo in the sun and exposing it to harsh elements while mounted to my bar... Not so interested in cooking the battery and screen of my new iPhone as much...

@cyclewithdavid

3 ай бұрын

Yeah, you're right if it was one of the older iPhones, but the newer ones are made out of titanium or stainless steel or aluminum with glass that takes like 200°F to melt. Play the last three years I've put it through everything and it's still kicking and screaming

@JamesSmith-qs4hx

3 ай бұрын

Why not get a cheap phone to run it on?😐

@StreetGuy49

2 ай бұрын

@@JamesSmith-qs4hx why not just get a dedicated cycling computer then?

@JamesSmith-qs4hx

2 ай бұрын

@@StreetGuy49 Most people have a spare old phone knocking about 😐

@IowaNinersFan

21 күн бұрын

@@JamesSmith-qs4hx Old phones are bulky and heavy on the handlebar whereas bike computers are small and compact and their batteries can last longer than many cell phones. Also, my old cell phone has fallen off my handlebar and took serious beatings regardless of mounts I've used (minus a top tube bag.) due to its size and weight while my bike computer has no issues.

When I first got into cycling a couple years ago, I used my phone as a bike computer. As I advanced as a cyclist and started going on longer and longer rides, battery life became an occasional issue, and overheating became a frequent concern. If you're just starting out, sure, it's a great, affordable option, but phones are not designed to operate with the screen on in fully sunlight for extended periods of time.

@cyclewithdavid

3 ай бұрын

What app were you using? And also phone? Check out my strava I do 50-80 mile rides all the time. Cadence allows you to slower the screen brightness within app, and road in Miami heat with no overheating problems. I have had newer iPhone so wondering if older ones have this problem.

@KO47893

3 ай бұрын

@@cyclewithdavid I was using SuperCycle on a Galaxy S9 using the phone's GPS and connecting to a power meter. Yes, it's an older phone, but at the time I was using it as a bike computer, it was still in great working condition (never crashed, battery easily lasted all day with typical use, etc.). Battery consumption using the app was about 15% per hour. Not bad if you're only going for 2-3 hours, but longer rides required making sure the phone had enough charge. Ran out of battery once on a ride, and got home with under 20% multiple times. But dealing with battery life is just an annoyance. Heat was the main concern. My phone frequently felt hot to the touch riding in the summer sun ( live in Utah), and I had heat warnings pop up a few times. I've lost a phone to heat damage before, so for me, it's not a reasonable risk. Bike computers are expensive, but phone replacements are even more expensive.

@piterplichta677

3 ай бұрын

Yeah, that... Besides, when I was cycling with my phone (locus maps app), even with a good powerbank, once my usb-c cable suddenly stopped working.... It's simply better to have options, especially for navigation, especially when your own sense of direction is as shitty as mine.

@IowaNinersFan

21 күн бұрын

Cell phones also have battery issues during Winter months as well when battery life is abyssmal. No issues with my bike computer hot or cold.

@KO47893

21 күн бұрын

I've also noticed since my previous comment that my phone screen has some burn-in from that app.

Hard to tell if this is an ad for the cadence app or an argument against the Garmin X wahoo duopoly or for the phone!

@cyclewithdavid

3 ай бұрын

It just blows my mind that in 2024 people aren't talking about using your phone as a dedicated cycling computer. Again not a replacement but an option between the two.

@TheSnifmister

6 күн бұрын

Definitely an option. I usually only ride outside during races and I like the bigger screen.

States he just discovered it, then proceeds to say he's used it for 3 years...

@ZotmundSzele

Ай бұрын

True. It has been released in 2021, so must have been using it since day 1 :)

Hi David, thanks for sharing that with us. I want try my phone on my bike, but, first, i looking for some case with a good grip. U can tellus what case u use for your iphone, to mount in your bike suport? thanks

@cyclewithdavid

3 ай бұрын

I highly recommend quad lock. They have a variety of cases for different phones and they're mounting system is extremely secure. Also look at SP connect, Mous, peakdesign and Rokform

@johnnl

3 ай бұрын

I can recommend SP+. Use it for 2 years now on a mountain bike.

@ketle369

Ай бұрын

Mous and Peak Design also offers cases and mounts for biking.

@ZotmundSzele

Ай бұрын

I've bought a Spigen case for my phone with a flat back and sticked a quater-turn Garmin adapter to it. So you can twist that into your outfront mount. You have to sacrifice that case but it's like 20-30 bucks, no big deal. Hold it firmly, does not wiggle, does not rattle. Basically any brand will do just make sure the back is not rugged or frosted as the 3M will not stick to it well.

Hey, David! Great tip! Does Cadence have the ClimpPro-like feature? So when on a climb, does it show how much is left? That is pretty much the coolest advantage of having a Garmin Edge or a Karoo 2. I have managed mounting my phone to bike just perfect, so a phone is the ideal thing here. I have nothing against a Garmin Edge it's just slow, clumsy and maps are not as colorful either, oh and the screen is small.

@ryansommers35

Ай бұрын

If you load a route Cadence will show the elevation profile with gradients and your current location on it, but it doesn't auto-detect climbs yet.

Can i use the 2 garmin sensors(cadence and distance)to connect via bluetooth to my iphone?

@ryansommers35

22 күн бұрын

Yes you can

I use the iPhone 13 mini with the cadence app. Navigating with offline maps saves a bit of battery. The big win for me is no more syncing the ride to my computer. No more syncing at the end of the ride

@cyclewithdavid

3 ай бұрын

13 mini! love to hear that!! And yeah auto sync to Strava everytime.

Hello, can you connect your Apple Watch to it for heart rate thanks

@ketle369

Ай бұрын

Yes

Thank you, certainly worth a try...

It seems to be an ad, a bike computer is targeted for the purpose and is better in most cases than a phone. I had so many issues using a phone (battery, overheating, rain / touchscreen with gloves, cannot answer call / take photo / record video while riding). And then there are other training metrics recorded with Garmin or the real temperature which is helpful to learn how to dress for what temperature. The list can go on. It's not only the hardware, it's also the software (training status /readiness, vo2max etc). Before buying my first Edge 130 I was trying to use an old phone, but I wanted to give the Garmin a try. Next year I upgraded to 830. It's a huge difference to using a phone. I would rather pay 150$ for an used Edge 830 with *actionable* data than 40$/year for Cadence. Raw data doesn't mean much for training, Cadence should at least have a plugin for Intervals.ICU.

@IowaNinersFan

21 күн бұрын

Good call on the 830. I upgraded from the 130 Edge to the 840 and it's like night and day. Definitely money well spent for an avid cyclist.

Thank You Sir for your so convincing video. I will definitely be using my iPhone as my bike computer.

A smartphone can, in theory, do everything the same as a cycling computer. But I already managed to change two phones, but not the bike computer. Nowadays, an expensive phone can work for several years without problems, if not for a dying battery. It is wasteful to use an expensive phone when you can use a cheap cycling computer and it will have buttons. Using a phone with gloves is a pain.

@cyclewithdavid

3 ай бұрын

I don't understand how it's wasteful if you already have the device and if it's a relatively new one, the quality of its build is superior to those of old. Again, three years using it exclusively for roughly 10,000 miles and no problems as far as the phone goes.

@ketle369

Ай бұрын

@@cyclewithdavidHow is it in heavy rain 🌧️?

@IowaNinersFan

21 күн бұрын

@@ketle369 Or when temps are in the 20's or 0 degrees. My bike computer can handle either hot or cold temps.

Thanks you for this video..

can i see the power meter stat (watts output) in the strava screen?

@ryansommers35

29 күн бұрын

Yes, the Strava Live Segment screen has customizable metrics to choose from.

Ohh I see, this was an ad. My iphone goes to 20% in three hours, and not even with data activated, and if it rains the screen goes crazy. Big deal is battery life in my opinion and the elements.

@cyclewithdavid

2 ай бұрын

Which phone do you have? I only use the cadence app when cycling and after the ride I'm at like 40-50%

Best Smartphone as a bike computer, an old Galaxy S20. ANT+ support, more free homebrew apps, better multitasking support and greater customization/hardware support of Android OS make it a much better choice than a normal iPhone for cycling.

SRAM AXS battery status and gear selection is Ant+ only, no Bluetooth

On bumpy roads you will ruin your camera if your smartphone has optical stabilizers (OIS). Most mid- to highend smartphones have them nowadays, so I wouldn´t use them as bike computer. Using a smartphone without OIS is a good starting point, but a proper bike computer is just better in every way.

@ryansommers35

3 ай бұрын

I know this is a frequently cited reason, but Apple itself is promoting iPhone's as simple bike computers now via Apple Watch, and their support document on the possible damage only references motorcycles. It's not impossible, but unlikely.

@cyclewithdavid

3 ай бұрын

Man, I’m a content creator, with roughly 30,000,000 views this month alone between all platforms so trust me my iPhone camera means everything to me. Three years later, I don’t have a problem with the camera.

I came here thinking that I could use my iPhone. But now that I've seen this, I worry about overheating and visibility in bright light. Both of which I've experienced in the past while trying to use it as a car navigation tool.

Neat option, but one issue I have here in FL with the phone mounted on the bike is overheating. The sun beating down on it for an hour or more makes it so hot that it overheats and locks up. I'd rather put a $400 cycle computer through that than a $1200 phone.

@vfclists

2 ай бұрын

Put it under some shade. I'm sure you can protect it with some reducing filter which allow you to see the screen.

@IowaNinersFan

21 күн бұрын

@@vfclists Sure you can put your phone in a top tube bag with a plastic screen protector which defeats the purpose of being able to access your phone and the cover is tough to swipe your phone when it's raining or you wearing gloves because it's cold out.

Does anyone know how to keep the phone from going to sleep when using the app or will it stay awake as long as you are moving? Thanks

@ryansommers35

21 күн бұрын

There's an option towards the top of the Settings screen, "Keep Screen On While Recording". It'll keep the screen on after you hit "Start" on the Computer screen.

@steveholden9139

21 күн бұрын

@@ryansommers35 Awesome, thank you. Just found it.

Until someone passes by at a traffic stop and takes your iPhone. Then it is a LOT more expensive to replace.

@cyclewithdavid

3 ай бұрын

You realize it's attached with a quad lock meaning you have to pull the lever in order to pull it off unlike a Garmin or wahoo or you just twist it 😁

@Adreno23421

3 ай бұрын

@@cyclewithdavid Oh, nice!

@ketle369

Ай бұрын

Move somewhere else then. 😅

Miss me with that touch screen when it's raining or i'm dripping with sweat.

@cyclewithdavid

3 ай бұрын

There is a feature to disable the touch screen within the app.

@TheGroupRide

3 ай бұрын

@@cyclewithdavid Then how do I change screens and have a lap button?

@cyclewithdavid

3 ай бұрын

That's an interesting situation. I have an experienced yet, but technically all you would have to do is slide to unlock click lap and then tap and hold to enable again.

@rantingwrench

3 ай бұрын

@@cyclewithdavid Or I could just press a button on my Wahoo...

no no and no again I charge my 1040 solar once a week I charge my iphone 15 daily when doing various stuff on it.

@cyclewithdavid

3 ай бұрын

And I talk about that in this video you're going to charge your phone anyways. So battery isn't necessarily an issue. Again, I've used it on 80 mile bike rides with still 20% to spare.

@IowaNinersFan

21 күн бұрын

@@cyclewithdavid I've used my bike computer on century rides and still have 70% left.

Thanks for sharing the app, looks very interesting and its worth to explore, however, IMHO, Phones are not simply designed as a cycling computer, it can be good for beginner cyclist and here are my thoughts, 1) in the road and climatic condition i live, phones wont last the heat (over 100F) and not to say the vibrations from road bumps. 2) Phones are expensive to replace during a crash, 3)phones are just too big for a screen and its difficult to get a proper mount and set it up properly.4) Cycling computers screens are crisp during day time against phones which requires screen brightness to be adjusted to save battery, not a big deal, but it wont be as appealing as a cycling computer.

I dunno, man. I tried to use Strava in the past as a sort of moral bike computer (before I got my Garmin) and it drained my iPhone battery a LOT. Like alarmingly alot for the length of rides I was doing. I don't think I could've done a 20+ mile ride (granted, I'm a slow rider) doing that. It was a non-trivial part of why I bought the Garmin. I'm not super confident that's better now. I'm not worried about having to charge every night. I'm worried about getting 10 miles from my house, having a flat, and having a dead phone.

The Apple iPhone riding app doesn’t support a bike radar.

@cyclewithdavid

Ай бұрын

Yes it does as I have the Garmin one. Which one do you have?

@ketle369

Ай бұрын

@@cyclewithdavid I’m talking about the Apple Watch exercise app and not a third party app.

I'm currently thinking about buying the cell phone Tank mini 8849, 4.2 inches and 5800 mAh battery. There should be 10 hours of navigation or more with this app.

@doozieart

Ай бұрын

@matthias-L How much more battery does it have compared to a iPhone 13 or 14? 🤔

@matthias-L

Ай бұрын

@@doozieart iPhone 14: 3,279 milliamp hours. Diagonal of 6.06" (15.40 cm).

@doozieart

Ай бұрын

Great thanks. I am now really considering to try this setup out using the tank as a bike computer. Did you purchase it and have tested it yourself now?

@matthias-L

Ай бұрын

@@doozieart No, I didn't buy it. The problem is I installed a Garmin mount on all of my bikes. I would have to put an adhesive pad on the phone or the case but the light is in the way.

Solution: older iphone... external battery case (that doubles your battery life).. and garmin/wahoo/quadlock that sticks on the back. Done :)

@cyclewithdavid

2 ай бұрын

Not a bad idea.....

But are you tempted to watch youtube or surfing the net, when you ride?

@cyclewithdavid

Ай бұрын

haha anwser text yes but watch youtube is a solid no

Nope. It dies after 3.5 hours in GPS mode.

@cyclewithdavid

3 ай бұрын

Which phone do you have? I see about 10-15% an hour battery drain which puts it around 6.5hrs with GPS on. That's with an iPhone 14 pro

@Thezuule1

3 ай бұрын

My phone lasts quite a bit longer but even if it didn’t most people aren’t riding for more than 3.5 hours

@PatTheCat

Ай бұрын

3 hours & then dead with wahoo app. Tracking heart rate & power meter. I just bought a wahoo Bolt 2

@PatTheCat

Ай бұрын

@@cyclewithdavidbut is with the display always on?! Showing your data?

@Thezuule1

Ай бұрын

@@PatTheCat there’s so many variables with screen brightness, phone model, age of battery, etc. that you kind of have to just see what your personal device does.

Ant+ does have advantages:i have lost connection to my sensors with bluetooth so many times, its incredibly annoying. Ant+ just reconnects without issues. Literally the only reason I bought a computer

@cyclewithdavid

3 ай бұрын

Wild how one user like yourself says you lose Bluetooth connectivity so many times and then someone like me in the last three years hasn't even experienced it once. Kind of tells me that Garmin and wahoo computers don't have the same Bluetooth capabilities as a phone

I wonder how Cadence compares to Cyclemeter. 🧐

@cyclewithdavid

Ай бұрын

Wayyyyyyyy better in very way, somebody please prove me wrong?

Powerbank in toptube and you’re all good

@cyclewithdavid

3 ай бұрын

I've actually used my lights power to charge my phone on a super long hundred mile ride before 😅

@agent-700

3 ай бұрын

@@cyclewithdavid how did you do that? Does the light have a dedicated function to charge other units??

@cyclewithdavid

3 ай бұрын

Most new lights will have the ablity to either charge or to charge via USB-C. I wish I could send a picture here I'd show you my setup. Might mention this in a follow up video.

@agent-700

3 ай бұрын

@@cyclewithdavid cool! Did not know 👍🏻

@doozieart

Ай бұрын

@@cyclewithdavidWhat light is it you use for that ?

If my phone can get the heart rate data from my Apple Watch that’d be pretty compelling, and post the whole ride to Strava. My Garmin can’t get the heart rate from my Apple Watch.

@cyclewithdavid

3 ай бұрын

The cadence app using your phone can 100% use your Apple Watch and at the end of every ride automatically push the ride to Strava. Give it a download link in description

Is this an advertisement?

Downloaded the app, went through setup, there’s no way to tell it NOT to track your browsing activity across all other apps so it’s basically farming your data. Deleted it straight away.

@cyclewithdavid

Ай бұрын

coded and designed by a US guy that I've personally met. Anywho I believe you can block it from apples side.

@justinpeer5660

Ай бұрын

Point is, you shouldn’t have to go and block it from apples side, there should be an option to prevent it tracking on that page. Any app that doesn’t have that option is an automatic no from me. I won’t even get as far as testing it, it gets immediately deleted because it doesn’t tell me exactly what it’s tracking, just that by installing it you give it the right to track EVERYTHING you do on your phone with no way to turn that off.

@ryansommers35

Ай бұрын

Developer of Cadence here: I don't like tracking either but this is entirely related only to Google's ad network for the free version of Cadence. That's just how Google ads work in any app with ads. On iPhone, during the initial launch, it presents Apple's standard "Allow to track" or not alert. If you tap don't track, Google ads is supposed to honor that. It's also possible to update that setting in the main Settings app on your phone. The paid version of Cadence doesn't contain ads so there's no possibility for tracking.

@justinpeer5660

Ай бұрын

Thanks for explaining.

That will work if you’re doing easy 100 mile rides with zero climbing. Let’s see how your phone holds up on a 200mile ride with over 10K ft of climbing.

@cyclewithdavid

3 ай бұрын

This is probably the only comment I'm seeing so far where I'm like yeah go for a dedicated cycling computer then. If you're doing 200 mile rides you definitely need a dedicated cycling computer or a nice solid battery bank. The grand Fondo mentioned in the video was 8000 feet of climbing 80 miles with a 20% battery life left after ride

I wonder if anyone would use an iPad for a bike computer. Probably not a full size iPad but a Mini?

@piterplichta677

3 ай бұрын

Are you kidding? Even mini would look like a full-sized tv on a bicycle. Nobody needs a screen THAT big while cycling

@Brantastic07

3 ай бұрын

@@piterplichta677 Ok maybe an IPad would be overboard, but what about a Watch?

@piterplichta677

3 ай бұрын

@@Brantastic07 sport and smart watches are fine for emergency nagivation. Idk about apple, but some of garmin watches have the functionality. Just for emergency, because the screen is simply too small. Bike computers usually have 3 inches of screen size and that's about the comfortable minimum I would use long-term.

Yes , you can use your phone , iPad or your laptop as a bike computer....but .... 1. Size and wight iPhone 15 pro max during bike racing ,no thanks 2. battery life- I do 12-16 h rides on my backpacking tours Australia , Scandinavia Asia osv.... sometimes 3 days no access to electricitys .... so ekstra 2 powerbanks in limited luggage??? No Thanks. 3. my Garmin varia radar works only with RideGPS app on my Iphone or Varia app but no maps than . My iPhone would not be Good As a Bike Computer in my use.

Samsung Galaxy S phones had ANT+ built-in for years, I still use an S10 and sync with my older garmin watch which doesn't use bluetooth. I think they stopped after S20 which is a shame. As someone who likes to look after stuff and only upgrade when I need to, battery capacity depletion over time would be an issue for me. Don't get me wrong, I have a phone mount on my bike as I occasionally want easy access to maps or even navigation software - but those are now & again usages. I wouldn't routinely use my phone screen for so many extra hours. Yes it will last the distance of the ride, but it needs recharging afterwards and lithium batteries only last so many recharge cycles. Fine if you change your phone every couple of years, or when I could swap out a $30 battery myself in seconds, but now we have the ridiculous situation with non-replaceable batteries in $1200 phones.

@cyclewithdavid

2 ай бұрын

Yeah I change my phone once over 2-3 years so I've never had the battery problem. I actually didn't know Andriods had ANT+

Use an old phone as a dedicated option for the bike

@cyclewithdavid

Ай бұрын

totally doing this once I upgrade

@avfc1985

Ай бұрын

@@cyclewithdavid nice work 👏

can a fiat 500 do everything a MAN truck can do? for most people yes... do they have the same capabilities,..no

everything is fun and games until 42°C French summer melts the screen adhesive off your phone. I bought my first cycling computer right after.

@cyclewithdavid

3 ай бұрын

You do realize phones don't just melt anymore right? I lived in Miami for three years so I understand what sheet and humidity is.

@hmartinlb

3 ай бұрын

@@cyclewithdavidIt was a phone with frontal access, meaning the display went on last during assembly. No idea what you're trying to say with this sentence "You do realize phones don't just melt anymore right?"

@davidodemchuk

3 ай бұрын

What I meant by that statement is the temperatures, regardless of how hot it is don’t interfere with the adhesive on modern day phones.

@hmartinlb

3 ай бұрын

@@davidodemchukidk what you mean by modern day. This was 2015 on an xperia z3c. Adhesive doesn't need to be that hot to get soft. Sun on a black phone heats up pretty nice.

to see the watts, you. need a Premium account. feeek that

Apple could make a great cycling computer if they wanted to but it’s probably not a big enough market for them?

@cyclewithdavid

2 ай бұрын

No way, they just announced cycling computer like features in the fitness app

Yeah, but if you will have an accident you would be thankful to brake 200 bucks computher rather than 1000+ smartphone.

@cyclewithdavid

2 ай бұрын

I had a cycling accident with my phone in my back pocket in a case and it's still ended up cracking.

Don't have workouts

There's just one glaring issue with using a smartphone as a bike computer. Thief. 😂 You had no idea how many smartphones have been stolen on cyclist. It doesn't matter if it's on your handle bar or it's on your pocket. As long as it's visible, it's at risk. 😂 I'm fine with just a 50 usd cycle computer, some money and ID when I ride.

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