As a dude who's never rode in a group this was pretty informative. I can average around 15mph on my own and found it dumbfounding looking at others average speed.

@desmondstephen9942

Жыл бұрын

A steady 15 is a 4 minute mile and it gets you around in practical terms very well.

@Mantis858585

Жыл бұрын

@@desmondstephen9942 yeah, I get around town just fine but often compare my times on Strava and am shocked how fast some people are. Seeing that riding in a group can push up your mph is nice to see. :)

@brianmcg321

Жыл бұрын

If you can average 15mph by yourself, 20mph in a group is easy. That’s why group rides are so much fun.

@christianalboroto7574

Жыл бұрын

Lmao. On my own I average about the same 15-18mph but with a group I average around over 20mph. Group rides is fun but also super tiring.

@xintongma2976

Жыл бұрын

@@christianalboroto7574 I only ride with team once but I do feel much easier

I was waiting for tips to ride 26 mph with minimal effort solo..

@Terrifier1984

10 күн бұрын

Impossible you need a draft The best you can do on you own and being conservative is 20-22 if you are an amateur

@TechSucht

5 күн бұрын

Get a velomobile. 🙂

Had no idea this is what’s going on in a race. Couldn’t imagine going that speed so close to each other especially when you are so close to the curb or gravel. Hats off.

@piersderoos6941

20 күн бұрын

It's so they can look at each others arses.

Sitting in and saving energy is my forte. Solid top-100 finish every time.

As someone who rides solo 95% of the time, 200-210W on flat terrain can get me to 20 mph over a long ride. Gonna need a Remco-esque CdA for anything more than that!

@chriswitek9455

Жыл бұрын

Same. Even 170w is ~17.5mph

@JanBernhart

Жыл бұрын

200w = 30 Kph, so 18.75 mph for me. Depending on the weather though, in winters it's slower (thick air) and perhaps on an ideal warm day, it would be 20 mph

@brandonnielsen694

Жыл бұрын

@@JanBernhart I’m with you, if it’s a 200 watt day I’m just not breaking 19 mph

@kidsafe

Жыл бұрын

@@chriswitek9455 17.5mph for me is like 120W lol. 😉Last few P12 crits, we averaged 28mph and I was under 200W.

@bcardamone

Жыл бұрын

Yea I always have ridden solo, 25 years and obviously can’t appreciate drafting. I typically cannot average more than 18 mph average over a 20-30 mile ride.

I love watching those numbers when bridging to a breakaway. Modern bike tech has gone wild in the last two decades. Wireless shifting, tubeless tires, and all metrics being recorded in real time (with corresponding footage of terrain.). Great video!

This is awesome man. Just got a gravel bike after not riding for a long time and this kind of stuff is really motivating.

@maurice9660

Жыл бұрын

Man gravel bikes are so nice haha love mine, can ride fast on the street and still go offroad :)

Simply an excellent and informative video, and very much so even for those of us who bicycle regularly but don't race. The fluency of the narration, supported by zeroed-in graphical data points and perfectly edited video, was spot on and compelling. Kudos! And thank you!

I have a Phoenix Hydra 29 bike (not a road bike). I have been mostly on solo rides only and pull about 100 watts with an average speed of 24 kmph (nearly 15 mph) for about a 60km (~37 miles) ride. I wondered about others on Strava who had average speeds of more than 30 kmph (>20 mph). I always thought that it was because of the slim tires of their road bike. But this video changes that perspective and cleared a lot of doubts!

Lots of good info here, thanks for the tips and data sharing. It's so cool to see the power output overlayed onto race footage w/ commentary.

Great video. I haven't raced in 13 years, but man this makes me want to get back into it. Without racing, you have no idea how powerful a good slipstream is. The combination of the commentary, video, power, heart rate and speed. Feels like super Mario.

I like the "Two Questions". Definitely important reminders to be intentional about your work in a race. If you want to get really deep, you could apply this to your actions outside of cycling as well. :)

@steveg4082

Жыл бұрын

Two good questions to avoid living bad habits on autopilot.

Absolutely love following your exploits on the interwebs!! Thank you for sharing your experiences so honestly 👍🏼👊🏼🇺🇸

"What are you doing and why are you doing it?" Definitely something to keep in mind. Thanks Jeff cheers man🤟🏼

As a non cyclist, I would’ve never guessed that drafting played that large of a role. Cool stuff

Great stuff man.. Too bad I am 68 and on BP meds which limits my bpm. On a flat flat road I can average 16/17 but over a hilly course I am really slow. Just came to cycling late in life. Still fun for me.

@styverdyver

Жыл бұрын

Keep on doing what you can! I'm 67, no meds but some lung damage from covid. I usually maintain a 15 mph average on rolling terrain and 18 on flats. I don't get out much anymore and miss it!

@arilehman9723

Жыл бұрын

Regular exercise will lower your blood pressure.

@cmg11235

Жыл бұрын

You’re only 68… you could easily live another 20.😊

@gnatman1102

Жыл бұрын

@@arilehman9723 I wish regular exercise would lower my blood pressure. Started riding at 57 along with improving my diet. I turn 60 in 2 weeks. In the 3 years of riding, I lost weight, but my blood pressure and cholesterol have increased. I actually had to get on BP meds. I'm not on anything for cholesterol, yet.

@tomc0240

Жыл бұрын

you are the man Ed, don't let anyone tell you otherwise

I find these videos of yours very educational. Many cyclists are not aware of the aero effects. These two questions: What are you doing? and why are you doing it? are very helpful to find out if one's making a mistake in a race in case he/she can't answer them. Thanks from Brazil.

I've never been to any race event but this video is pretty interesting that I've watched it all.

Drafting and knowing the corse is essential to achieving this goal. The guy rides the course 7 days a week for a few hours everyday. It’s NorCal’s home turf and baby.

This is really interesting, I'm looking at getting in to racing soon. I started cycling July 2021 but only really cycle alone and am a bit nervous to take the dive as I didn't really know where I was currently at would be good enough to hang in a group. My solo average is a steady 19-20mph (cycle 5 days a week), 190W would be a touch above Z2 for me so feel fairly confident after watching this. Thank you 😆

@ericrarama2714

Жыл бұрын

Ryan Mussett you’re a Beast, that’s a crazy average speed for someone who started cycling in 2021. Kudos to you!

@BenjaminWasHere

9 ай бұрын

eric in the other reply is calling you a beast...how old are you? Ill bet your somewhere around 20 yrs old, give or take... Your numbers are good. You'll be fine in any group ride; just learn the etiquette of group riding. 190w to maintain 20mph is well above average, esp if that is Z2 for you. Again, sounds like youth to me... What will be foreign to you is that every 10 years of your life after 20 will result in a LOSS of about 10 HBPM (heart beats). An hour of riding with 10bpm LESS PER MINUTE, is 10x60= 600 heart beats LOST for a 30 yr old, that you still have available. 600 less beats of critical Oxygen and nutrients, etc is a LOT of extra blood flow. Thats the advantage you have with youth. A 40 yr old = 1,200 LESS heart beats. 50, 60, just do the numbers! Hence the other post by eric calling you a "beast." You will eventually not be able to maintain those numbers SO...get into biking NOW. Hit it hard and PUSH. Learn how fitness and nutrition works combined with various types of training methods. Get a smart watch that tracks your gps and heart and learn your numbers, and how to increase them. You can start with Strava but will have to dump the data off into a program designed to really provide numbers analysis. Man do i wish i were 20 yrs old! Good luck. RIDE SOME GRAVITY

Hi Jeff. Love your videos. Keep ‘‘em coming! Btw, what power meter do you use?

When i got into racing at 15 y/o my Belgian dad urged me to do no less of 18-19 mph when solo riding. He also fixated on maintaining high average revolutions, arguing that kept the legs and joints flexible and ready to go at any time. Thanks for your very analytical and informative video!

Great video. As a novice cyclist, I learned a lot. Thank you!

im a big rider. i highlighted a segment on a recent ride. 33:13, 201 watts ,9.6 mph. max power 1079. i had another ride 38:00 , 209 watts, 7.5 mph, max power 1236. i dont live where its flat. i couldnt imagine what power i'd need to get 26 mph. thanks for the vid bro

Great video and effort. I really love watching your videos. How do you make the cycling data overlay the video?

back - yoyo, speed fast, slow fast middle - Save energy, accident prone top 5 front - more power compare with middle, avoid accident, see attacks.. and positioned better to finish

That’s awesome to see an a great aluminum road bike among others great road bike like the one at 6:45, Allez Sprint Comp, I have one like this, 2017. Great race and video as well. Greetings from Brasilia 🇧🇷🇧🇷🇧🇷

I'm not a cyclist as such, though I do enjoy my bike rides too. But it would make me nervous riding so closely alongside another cyclist competing to get ahead. Unlike cars cyclists don't have rear vision or side mirrors. I don't know how you do it, but you guys do a marvellous job.

I'm new to cycling, two years, but also in Canada so it's more like a few months of riding. Something I found that I did and still do is ride with my legs tense to a certain degree. As opposed to allowing the muscle to just exist and work off of the joints it's like I'm flexing my legs while pedaling. I notice that i'm tons faster with less effort when my legs and just in general my body is relaxed and not tense anywhere.

@josha254

Жыл бұрын

Prayin 4 at least some sun this spring

@lunam7249

8 ай бұрын

relax

what are you doing and why are you doing it are 2 good life questions tbh, but def apt in cycling. great video. subbed!

I wish I was coached with these techniques back in my competition days. I did everything by brute force.

Amazing video, loved seeing the Sauce in action again too!

Xcellent video. Loved the strava data.

Very cool and instructive. Thanks.

Giving me confidence in a 350w motor, if I can get rid of the waste as much as practical. Switched rear tire from a cheap gravel tire to Schwalbe Marathon Plus. That did a lot. I think I gained 2-3mph going downhill. And feel safer doing it.

I race triathlons and for most events it’s actually illegal to draft but at the same time our bikes are Tt bikes so we can be more aerodynamic, there’s pros and cons but I love biking regardless!

Worth noting different phenotypes / body types like to attack in different spots at Alviso. I actually like attacking into the headwind sections (Nortech/First/Santos/Wilson) where it's slowest. Bigger dudes love attacking the tailwind sections like Grand and Disk. Blaine likes to attack anywhere.

@lunam7249

8 ай бұрын

always better to apply more energy at fast parts, and NOT into headwind!

@kidsafe

8 ай бұрын

@@lunam7249This is literally the opposite of true in a TT and attempted breakaways are as close as you get to a TT in a mass start race.

@lunam7249

8 ай бұрын

@@kidsafe E = 1/2 mc^2..... delta(e) = velocity^1/2.....where im from west coast TT are solo

@kidsafe

8 ай бұрын

@@lunam7249 You want to exploit the inefficiencies in your competition. As a 178cm/63kg rider who gets very aero, I exploit my low CdA and am very hard to follow in a headwind section. If I try to attack in a tailwind section I lose my advantage and the people with higher absolute power can easily keep up. Understand?

@lunam7249

8 ай бұрын

@@kidsafe you have a good point.....what you describe is called "breakaway", which a specific technic......now mine; top speed medium downhill is 50mph 1/2 full effort, 1/2 full effort up a steep hill 5 mph....full effort at 50mph x 2^1/3 = 63.0 mph.......full effort uphill = 5mph x 2^1/3)= 6.30mph.....every second at top speed gain = 13.0mph ....every second up hill gain = 1.30 mph, so after 1 hour my style will pull you ahead 13.0 - 1.3 = 11.7 miles ahead.....try it....its the tour de france and F1 CAR style , concentrate on the fastest part of the course ONLY!!

I remember about 6 years ago I was riding on the Sacramento bike trial and a group of riders rode by me they were going at a good pace. So I just tucked in the back and let them pull me through. Drifting can save you a lot of energy.

Such a joy to watch Great content

Love those videos of yours👍🥇

Good stuff man! Thanks again.

Interesting video and real food for thought. I've always been hesitant regarding groups rides and crit racing believing I'd never be able to keep up with their crazy average speeds. Recently my solo riding (over rolling English countryside) increased to 21-22 mph average over 30-60 mile rides, so, I'm thinking I might finally be ready. Crit racing like this though will be very scary! Definitely want to try it though.

How to ride 26 mph with minimal effort - buy an Ebike

Very nice, thanks. A different question: what kind of camera are you using? What's the mounting system?

I would add that you also have to preemptively ask those two questions about different hypothetical scenarios that could be developing in real time and be able to execute at the precise moment in the race. Many times that moment is a split second decision that makes or breaks your race. Easy enough right!? 😂 Gotta love bike racing, best sport in the world 🤙

Ahhhh this reminds me of my Cat 3 days. I did a lot of motopacing to get my drafting technique at speed down. Most of racing is knowing how to have your technique in drafting down so you can concentrate on the tactical issues ahead. You will intuitively know how to save energy. What path to take. When to exploit a tactical advantage. Not to mention building muscle memory for speed. I would do a lot of my LSD rides behind her motorbike at 25 mph in her draft. My heart rate would be around 145. The same as when I was riding 20 mph on my own. Sometimes I would ride behind her in our hatchback with the hatch open drafting at 30mph or faster. Unless you have a half a dozen guys you can ride daily with and paceline, which is like never. So I taught my girlfriend how to pace me on her motorbike then the car. The improvement in my speed during races was dramatic and I was because I had learned how not to waste energy.

@rebinu

8 ай бұрын

ah so youre the guy who stole all my koms

Great video! Quick question @NorCal Cycling: Any particular brand you recommend for bike shorts?

This is probably one of the top most important skills in racing.

Good presentation!!

Hope you guys get those sweet new propels

30 mph! That's fast alright! Especially when you consider the power to overcome wind goes up as the cube of the speed, while tire rolling resistance is roughly linear. In other words, it takes 8 times as much power @30 mph than @15 mph to overcome wind drag, but only about double for the tire rolling resistance. Not sure about the Watt ratings though. 375 Watts is just over 1/2 of one horsepower. Pretty hard for anyone to maintain that for long.

Great vid!!!!

Great job. Fun, instructional video. It's weird to see guys with flashing lights in this race, but just plain scary to see that the course is apparently open to vehicular traffic...that must cause some Uncle Fester moments.

All the secrets out in the open at last 😂 - that’s for sharing great vid…

I was the huge dude in the Stanford jersey... you're welcome for the draft Jeff ;)

I did a few club rides with some pretty fast dudes back in my younger days. Yes you don't want to be in the back . I only did it a few times and hated the competition and the training. I couldn't get out in traffic and ride like 300 miles a week. It kinda ruined it for me, but luckily learned some good skills and love vintage steel bikes . So I'm fixing , wrenching and like touring , commuting .. Cheese and wine and destinations where its at !! Oh and I just gotta throw this in , in my late 20s a few moons ago . One year I could ride at 20mph , and throw in a sprint on my Rossin steel bike and hold 40mph for a minute 🤓😎

I see that on your chart at 08:47 that you made it from Cat 5 to Cat 4. Congrats! I didn't think you had it in you.

@vika0194

Жыл бұрын

So you say congrats and then insult him...

Great video 👌

What are you using to do the metric overlays?

I love the content! This is a wonderful channel!

Haha. I knew that was Alviso before you even said anything. I used to ride through there back when I lived in San Jose.

I don't evean cycle I would like too but still this video was really intersting and you got a new sub man!

Nice video!!

Great bro! what program do you use to put your power/speed data on the video?

What am I doing? Riding a bike. Fast. Why am I doing it? Because it's fun. And better than the couch.

Hi Sir, What software are you using for your video ? Thanks excellent content

Fighting the wind and yourself are the biggest challenges.

I used to pride myself on doing the Port of Oakland ride every week and never averaged over 200 watts

bro amazing content. can you put a action cam for your gears like the cassete

Didn't realize the huge benefits of drafting. I always ride solo and 191 watts= 18.5mph at best. Rode 215 watts for an hour...and averaged 20.3mph. (I weigh 200lbs btw)

I’d be curious how much more savings you’d have on my wheel. This 6’9” frame of mine kicks off a nice draft.

I can hear Durianrider's voice in the background "Well the first thing you gotta do is ditch the road disc brake setup!

From someone who just jumped on a beginner racing bicycle to get a change from running every now and then: This looks insane! You're telling me you're going 35 km/h for extended periods of time and that's bad? I guess everybody is judging themselves pretty hard in their own niche :D

what type of gearset to do I need to be able to go this fast? Will a kent 700c road bike be able to keep up with you guys at 30mph?

it took me a month after I recovered from Covid to get back to somewhat where I was pre-covid. It sucked and I don’t ever want to deal with that shit ever again

Hey Jeff and Crew, great vid as always, got an important question though. I also have a Giant TCR, and I was trying to get the same stem and bar as your set up. Which appears to be the ZIPP Sprint Stem and ZIPP SL70 Aero Bar Although my bike has their oversized OD2 steerer tube, which is measured at 1 1/4, and all of ZIPPs carbon stems are standard 1 1/8 steerer tubes. Not sure if I'm just seeing the stem wrong, or if you did some voodoo magic and had Zipp make a stem for you. I'd love to know what your exact setup is for your cockpit. Thanks!

@kidsafe

Жыл бұрын

TCR Advanced Pro has a 1-1/4” steerer while the TCR Advanced has a 1-1/8”. Other than that the frames are the same.

@georgeofthesea

Жыл бұрын

@@kidsafe thanks for the info, that’s pretty frustrating unfortunately :(

"...eventually I got bored..." Knew it was coming

Flat terrain is easy .. However here in the high Rockies with ablvg gradients of 8 to 12 % consistently.. No one worries about speed..unless decending at 80 km ph

@cornishalps9870

4 ай бұрын

Pros can still average 40-45kph on terrain like that. I've done 2/3/4 road races climbing 2000m in 70 miles averaging 42kph.

May ask what brand/model handlebars you have on your bike? I have a TCR as well.

In our evening time trial series on a 8.4 mile sporting course ( up and down ) Harry Tanfield maintains 30 mph riding alone. You may know of him ?

I can walk at 4.9 mph for about an hour and 26 minutes before I go into a painful flight or flight response. I have gone through the same thing with my XL GIANT at 28 mph. The walking is far more stressful and more work. You can always push harder.

Been watching your videos, brother. Good content ngl. Im also doing crits here in the philippines and it’s either you join the newbie cat or the pro/open cat lol haha all of your strategies, i’ve been doing here in my local crit races and I haven’t won anything yet but with good roads and less traffic i’d win something. Would tag you soon when I win one hehe 🤝🏾✊🏾

Hm i thought it would be a video on individual performance, because you can already get a lot more out of yourself if you consciously pedal evenly and use as many muscles as possible for your base load. This may be newbie stuff, but it's rarely talked about imo. Obviously using cleats changes the game already, yet even then techniques are always different, especially when performing under pressure. I think it's the appropriate change between sprinting with your down/upstroke and the smooth use of the whole revolution at lower speeds that gives you the ultimate individual efficiency. Nobody really talks about it, but when being dragged/doing endurance u have to use the whole revolution forward>up>down>backwards to spread the base load over as many muscles as possible, even your upper body can help. You're effectively resting the thigh at a fraction of it's power by using complimenatary muscles. Then in the sprint you can use that restored thigh, fall back afterwards and repeat. Sounds easy, but if you really focus on the circular motion there's a lot of energy to gain from smaller muscles offsetting power from the main thigh muscles. Then again it may be bad for your knee if you overuse your other (non walking) muscles, but there's still a middle path there: Pedaling in a perfect circle is unnatural, so you have to learn it. Try going in high cadence or without any resistance even or with only one foot on the pedals, and you'll find your movement is all jerky, because you're not using all your muscles. This makes you lose power, because your opposite thigh has to fight those unused muscles - the weight and also muscle resitance of the opposing leg - putting more strain on it. By training to rotate your leg in an even circle, not just up and down, you take that load off of your other muscles. Think of it as "bending" your down- and upstroke around your bottom bracket. If you can do high cadence runs smoothly, you'll find your sprinting and endurance runs get smoother, because your legs aren't in each others way that much and you gain efficiency and endurance. Focus on this when training if you aren't already, it takes time to accomodate to but can unlock more potential in the long runs. I actually experienced something weird in this regard when i first used clipless pedals after years of riding. I felt less strain and had little more than normal aching of the legs, but when accelerating i could feel my blood rushing, was breathing heavily and my body was generally more exhausted. I had to hold myself back from using all my power, because my heart got pumping too much, because it had to serve more muscles. After a couple months that settled, i could go on endlessly and i'm now focusing on my leg coordination a bit more.

When I exert any amount of physical activity I always ask myself "what am I doing" and "why am I doing this" 😂

Took me a few tries, but I finally broke an hour in a 40 k time trial. That's 26 mph. Without drafting. On the Moriarity, NM course. Thing is, the record is around 47 minutes! John Frey held the record for a long time.

Hey what gears are you using and What size is your chain rings?

How do you guys manage the cars/traffic at your track?

@melvinkuhh

Жыл бұрын

I wanted to ask the same question lol

@douglasjam

Жыл бұрын

I'm also curious about it

@jetBlue_83

Жыл бұрын

The area doesn’t have much traffic. Jeff talked about it a while back. They do sometimes have issues, but most of the time it’s fine

@cwmoo

Жыл бұрын

not many people up there, it's mostly a dead office park and open space. it's close to cisco, some new google offices, samsung, wastewater management building, churches, etc. so apart from peak commute hours it's quiet

At 56 years old, I ride solo about 98% of the time. This year, 2023 I have been able to hit average speeds of 22.5 mph on my aluminum bikes, including a Canyon Grail gravel bike along 35 - 40 mile rides.

NorCal Cycling I have question which one bitter rim brake’s disc brakes

New sub. Great video. What's the extention/add on you use in strava when drilling into the power and heart rate graphs, there's a mid bar with loads of useful data?

That was a hard bridge attempt :( . Had no legs by the end game.

I bet the guys were thinking, " what the heck is Jeff doing with these non chase efforts??"

I'm a 220lb rider with a relatively wide body and even though drafting helps me immensely, the benefits aren't quite as high. When drafting behind a 'normal' rider at 25 mph, I need to be putting out over 280 watts to keep up and even the slightest fallback of a few feet requires a much higher spike to catch up. On the other hand, everyone loves following me!

@PathfinderSCB

4 ай бұрын

Add more riders...

I have a question for more experienced riders, is 25mph top speed good for a 15 year old(on a mountain bike) on flat terrain? Ive been riding my bike 4 times a week ever since i got it a year ago, i went out with a group of people most had roadbikes and i was surprised when i passed them all.

@lunam7249

8 ай бұрын

your fast, get off the MB, start racing road ride

@scan_maestro

8 ай бұрын

@@lunam7249 😁i honestly would love to get a road bike but cant affort one and my mountain bike gets me everywhere i want so i think ill be fine for now, thank you for replying

Just picked up a trek alpha 2.1 as my first road bike. any tips for finding cyclist groups in Orange County SoCal?

Can we get some sort of bike fit tips video for crits from you jeff? 😁

@YuriThorpe

Жыл бұрын

Best bike fit tip is don't change your fit for crits. Race what you train on

using the correct gear ratio is the best...most cassettes do not allow this, drop down 2 gears :/ up 2 gears...at 55 I still average 23 mph...was 28mph at 30

Good stuff. Are you cat5 or is that just the name of this particular training program, because those speeds sound more like cat 123?Unless it’s just so flat that it changes the average speed that much. Or it could be that bikes are much more aero than 10+ years ago. I remember averaging around 27 for an official, one or two hill, office park race (this looked more like a group ride on an open course at race pace) when riding 3/4. And that perfectly summed up what you’re saying. Riding with 4/5 sucked because they are so inefficient, especially, ESPECIALLY in the corners, whereas riding in 1, 2, 3 had far fewer unnecessary accelerations and corners were more like a school of fish than the most direct line, which often created chaos. There’s a typical misunderstanding in 4/5 that “hold your line” means YOUR chosen line. It does not mean that, which would mean you’re cutting people off.

The actual answer to the question: buy a recumbent.

So what happens when everyone is fighting for the front 1/3 of the pack? Do some people just give up? Or what about the corners? what if everyone is fighting for the inside corner? Do these situations create wrecks? Just asking, I never ride crits....