Impossible Setup on Epiphone ES-335 Guitar

This is of of many examples that show why a setup might not be an option for a guitar. This was an Epiphone ES-335 semi hollow electric guitar that had a bad fretboard. The guitar ended up needing a full Level Crown & Polish of the fretboard.
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  • @laurencehastings7473
    @laurencehastings74734 күн бұрын

    What a load of BS

  • @GuitarQuackery

    @GuitarQuackery

    3 күн бұрын

    Thanks you for this useful piece of information. Is that and old Chinese proverb? It's amazing how much useful information can fit in a short sentence. I'll definitely write this down somewhere. I'd love to go on guitar forums and share this, but I think people might be skeptical if this comment comes directly from me. Perhaps you could go on guitar forums and warn the community about the all the BS on this channel - and make sure to post links to the videos, so people know exactly what you are referring to. The community will thank you. Thanks for dropping by and for taking the time to post your comment. I've learned a lot from it.

  • @laurencehastings7473

    @laurencehastings7473

    3 күн бұрын

    @@GuitarQuackery Don't call us, we'll call you.

  • @willhaylock3769
    @willhaylock37695 күн бұрын

    Will from the UK, just discovered your channel, excellent explanation thank you :)

  • @GuitarQuackery

    @GuitarQuackery

    5 күн бұрын

    Glad to have you on board. Please feel free to tell your friends about the channel. Thanks.

  • @MrAldo68
    @MrAldo685 күн бұрын

    Quack you have to be the best luthier in the states . I appreciate you explaining the question about the cost of a set up and totally get it . The musical instruments on the wall in the other room are they for sale ? I wish you the best and always look forward to your videos .

  • @GuitarQuackery

    @GuitarQuackery

    5 күн бұрын

    Thank you for the nice words. I do not consider myself to be the best, but I do consider myself to be in the group of the above average techs/luthiers. In fact, many of them are my friends and we talk all the time over Zoom. Some of them have KZread channels (Beau Hannam, David Collins... etc) and some don't. Some are better at some particular specialties and others are better at other things. I personally decided to specialize in guitar nuts and frets. Guitar Quackery is a very small repair shop inside of a big rehearsal studio called Music Makers NY. The guitars on the wall are rental guitars, owned by the studio. I just rent my work space here, but those guitars have nothing to do with Guitar Quackery. I do occasionally fix issues on them, to help the studio, though. Thanks for dropping by.

  • @edspengeman3407
    @edspengeman34072 күн бұрын

    An artist.

  • @GuitarQuackery

    @GuitarQuackery

    Күн бұрын

    Thanks.

  • @vikingbeard
    @vikingbeard4 күн бұрын

    John Lennon said something about being able to make a guitar howl and move. You do that really well, thank you.

  • @GuitarQuackery

    @GuitarQuackery

    3 күн бұрын

    I don’t think it was John Lennon. I think you’re thinking of an old Chinese proverb.

  • @zibbezabba2491
    @zibbezabba24914 күн бұрын

    0:30 "I have a guitar that is impossible to set up"..... ok, you have my attention.

  • @GuitarQuackery

    @GuitarQuackery

    4 күн бұрын

    Think of a guitar setup as a wheel alignment on a car. A wheel alignment is not really possible if the steering column is bent. So, on this guitar the fretboard topography was lopsided. Hope this makes sense.

  • @zibbezabba2491

    @zibbezabba2491

    4 күн бұрын

    @@GuitarQuackery I watched the video to near the end, I noticed you found a 'workaround' solution by taking some of the raised material off the proud frets, with the fretboard retaining it's hi and low spots. So, the frets are now level but the board is the same as it was. I'm not critisising, I think you did a great job. I have come across one or two guitars which left me puzzled as to why they couldn't be intonated. So this kind of thing interests me.

  • @GuitarQuackery

    @GuitarQuackery

    4 күн бұрын

    @@zibbezabba2491 Correct. This fixed the fret tops, but did not affect the board. That's a generally acceptable budget-minded alternative to doing a full refret, which would also require planing of the fretboard, to make is true. Doing a full repair that involves a refret would cost more than buying a new Epiphone, so this is just a good alternative. Hope this makes sense.

  • @zibbezabba2491

    @zibbezabba2491

    4 күн бұрын

    @@GuitarQuackery Of course mate, as you said in the beginning..."how much for a setup...Well, that depends" 🤔

  • @robinleebraun7739
    @robinleebraun77394 күн бұрын

    I would have liked to see how you set and glued the high frets. Horrible quality control on the part of Epiphone. Both twisted neck and frets not properly seated. Probably green wood used not completely dried. That also could have led to the fret problem as the wood moved under the frets. The original owner should have returned it gotten a refund.

  • @GuitarQuackery

    @GuitarQuackery

    4 күн бұрын

    Since you are the second person that made this comment, I'll just have to do a separate video on fret reseating and glue-up. I actually have the guitar just for that. Not sure when the vide will come out, but make sure you subscribe, so you don't miss it. You see, how I strategically got you to subscribe, LOL. Sneaky, sneaky... But I know you've already subscribed, anyway. The guitar I have in mind is a Squier Strat. But I can't promise that will be the one I'll use. There's also a vacation coming up and I have to finish a bunch of work before the summer break. So, I'm thinking I might be able to put it together in the fall. I didn't show it in this video because I wanted to maintain the focus of the video on topic, which was to show why a setup is not always an option. I did show some of the LCP work, simply to prove that I actually did do the work I said had to be done. Otherwise people might think I'm just a fake. Thanks for dropping by and thanks for taking the time to comment.

  • @davidkeeley8473
    @davidkeeley84734 күн бұрын

    I had no idea you had a YT channel. I see you on the Looth Group from time to time.

  • @GuitarQuackery

    @GuitarQuackery

    4 күн бұрын

    The Looth Group is definitely the best thing on the planet for people in our line of work. Cheers.

  • @homer7504
    @homer75045 күн бұрын

    I’m out in California in a location where there aren’t many luthiers or guitar technicians near where I live. At least none that I know of that may have the same knowledge and experience as you do. Do you ever work on guitars from people who live out of state from you? Or do you offer online tutorials thru your Patreon? Your videos are awesome. I’ve read your posts on the Gibson forums and I’m happy to see you passing your knowledge to novice guitarists such as myself.

  • @GuitarQuackery

    @GuitarQuackery

    5 күн бұрын

    Welcome aboard. And I'm glad to hear you like my forum posts. Now let me answer your questions. I am so super busy as it is that I can't even consider taking in work from out of NYC. As it is I actually turn down over 50% of work, as it is not humanly possible to keep up with the demand of a big city. As far as tutorials, yes, technically there is a tier on Patren that offers just that. It is the Partner tier (or above). However, my Patreon community is minuscule at the moment and I actually don't even have any Patreon supporters beyond the Contributor tier, at the moment. But, if I were to give Zoom lessons and tutorials I would be doing it from the shop, using the same cameras that you see me use when recording the KZread videos. Except it would be a Zoom call. Thank for dropping by and glad to have you on the channel.

  • @garycraw9781
    @garycraw97814 күн бұрын

    I like your approach. Did you do anything concerning the over - radiused frets before the LC & P? I wonder if the problem was just the frets? How do you determine if the board rather than the Frets is the problem - that is, the board needs leveling too, which requires also doing a refret?

  • @GuitarQuackery

    @GuitarQuackery

    4 күн бұрын

    The problem was definitely the fret board. I did briefly show this around 9:45 using a notched straight edge. The proper repair, technically speaking, would have been a full refret (as you said) which would require planing the fretboard true, before installing new frets. In my shop, that repair option would end up costing more than buying a new Epiphone. So, the LCP, in this case, was the only budget-friendly option that I could offer, short of doing a full refret, so that we can save the guitar. I know that many techs would simply do a setup, but I no longer put myself in a position to go down that rabbit hole with a guitar that I already know has some kind of issue. You are now the third viewer that asks about reseating the frets (which is actually a misnomer, since they were never seated to begin with). I did do that off camera but did not show it here because this video is about explaining why a setup is not always an option. Since there seems to be interest in reseating frets, I am happy to do a comprehensive video just about that, in the future. But in closing I have to mention that there are two closely-related old Chinese proverbs. The first one pertains to this video: "A setup is not always an option." And the second one pertains to the now requested upcoming video: "Reseating frets is not always an option." In other words, there's usually more to the story. Thanks for dropping by and thanks for taking the time to post a comment.

  • @rockerbuck967
    @rockerbuck9674 күн бұрын

    I had a crowning/levelling job done by my luthier once, and it was amazing because it really needed it. Any guitar after that - I wanted the same thing. Once I learned everything involved, I stopped asking unless it was absolutely needed. He's very busy, and there are some things you can live with - some not. He gets enough business without me being nit-picky LOL.

  • @GuitarQuackery

    @GuitarQuackery

    4 күн бұрын

    I would say, always make sure you go back to the same luhier (or tech) if you are happy with the work. Not every guitar will need an LCP job and some will have a more noticeable benefit than other guitars might. In this case, there was a differential relief on the fretboard with a backbow on the treble side, so clearly, on this guitar the LCP would have more impact than it might have on a guitar with a few slightly uneven frets. Many boutique built guitars get an LCP job done right after the frets are installed and some factory guitars now get a PLEK job, such as Gibson, Martin, Taylor... I am not sure about Fender, but I can find out - probably just Custom Shop (just speculating). I literally do this and cutting nut slots every day. Thanks for dropping by,

  • @1man1guitarletsgo
    @1man1guitarletsgo5 күн бұрын

    The process of reseating the frets wasn't shown, but I assume it meant there was far less work to do to level and crown them.

  • @GuitarQuackery

    @GuitarQuackery

    5 күн бұрын

    I didn't show all the fret work, as this video is actually about showing one example why a setup is not an option (if you really want to get the best possible performance out of the guitar). This is just one of many possibilities. I still wanted to show that I actually did do the fretwork, but I didn't want to turn this video into a repair video tutorial. I am actually building a playlist that will show different examples why a setup might not be an option. So, more coming up. In fact, I currently am working on two guitars that came in for setups and ended up being refrets.

  • @1man1guitarletsgo

    @1man1guitarletsgo

    5 күн бұрын

    @@GuitarQuackery Thank you. It would have been interesting to see how much difference the straight edge showed, after re-seating the frets, and before levelling them.

  • @GuitarQuackery

    @GuitarQuackery

    5 күн бұрын

    @@1man1guitarletsgo I did show that... on the neck jig. I reseated the frets before I put the guitar on the neck jig, when I showed the uneven board using the notched straight edge. That would always be the procedure, in fact. We always have to make sure the frets are seated before leveling. Hope this makes sense.

  • @1man1guitarletsgo

    @1man1guitarletsgo

    5 күн бұрын

    @@GuitarQuackery Yes, I see. It's a shame that guitar left the factory with such a poor build.

  • @GuitarQuackery

    @GuitarQuackery

    5 күн бұрын

    @@1man1guitarletsgo It's actually inevitable. Any mass production will result in rejects. Some will be caught but most will slip by. From a production POV it doesn't make sense to inspect the products. It's all about cost analysis. It costs more to pay skilled people to catch imperfections than to deal with returns and complaints. If Epiphone has real inspectors at the end of each production line, those guitars would have to cost significantly more. And of course, the 80% of people that never realize that they have a bad guitar will never cost the factory a penny.

  • @dugbert5
    @dugbert55 күн бұрын

    Oh no! Not again?

  • @GuitarQuackery

    @GuitarQuackery

    5 күн бұрын

    They just keep on coming.

  • @MegaTechnoteacher
    @MegaTechnoteacher3 күн бұрын

    Setup strings 4 5 6. Larger strings are more forgixing.

  • @GuitarQuackery

    @GuitarQuackery

    3 күн бұрын

    I think there's a typo in "forgixing" - I'm sure you meant "forgiving", right? I'm not sure how that would be correct, as larger strings require more compensation than smaller strings. How did you come to that conclusion? I'm really interested to know.