Yes, the word "consciousness" seems to rattle around one's skull like the clanger in a bell but "Soul" gets you right in the midriff! Thanks for a lovely and inspiring conversation! 😊

Mr Hapur is brilliant and extremely well spoken. Thanks for suggesting the close captioning, (also exquisite) it helped decifer terms unfamiliar to me.

Fantastic! I can’t believe I’d not come across Patrick Harpur before… many thanks

I have seen many interviews/discussions with Patrick Harpur, this is by far the very best! I most enjoyed how the interviewer steered the conversation, yet let Harpur talk without interrupting his train of thought/responses. Wonderfully done. Plan on re-listening to this later this evening.

@Jim-jx5ds

Жыл бұрын

I write this on my third listening

@AndresWalsh

7 ай бұрын

It's a point of view and pattern of thought that you're not going to find much in the prevalent culture. Patrick Harpur is a treasure.

@andrewr311

5 ай бұрын

i Just discovered him as I was looking at Jaques Vallee and Plotinus as well.

@ufobigfoot4002

4 ай бұрын

Agreed!

@evelanpatton

24 күн бұрын

Ditto.

A wonderful historic overview of philosophy through the ages - thank you!

William Blake! Our era needs such.

As Joseph Campbell said “Dream is the personalized myth, myth the depersonalized dream; both myth and dream are symbolic in the same general way of the dynamic of the psyche. But in the dream the forms are quirked by the peculiar troubles of the dreamer, whereas in myth the problems and solutions sown are directly valid for all mankind”

@MoshieJ

3 ай бұрын

Well said!

These subjects are right up my street: consciousness, metaphysics, Jungian psychoanalysis, etc.

Would also love to see you do interview with Peter Kingsley 😊

@ShintoBroadcasting

Жыл бұрын

Same here!!!

Wonderfully rich and wide-ranging, thanks Patrick and Essentia Foundation.

Thinking only begins at the point where we have come to know that reason, glorified for centuries, is the most obstinate adversary of thinking. --Martin Heidegger

Plato also has a clear sense of the aesthetic which was missed by his pupil Aristotle who was immersed in the material forms.

@motivationdestination457

6 ай бұрын

Aristotilits is a disease which dogs suffer from in which they always try to catch their tails,similarly people who are all about logic keep making sense of things which can't be understood with logic

The idea that the sun or even rocks can have a consciousness reminds me of Shinto.

The kind of conversation that opens the gates of diamonds, here and there ... just to explore and see so many worlds rising from within the forever alive imagination. Thank you for this podcast. What a treasure!

@Csio12

3 ай бұрын

Gates of the daimons. Diamonds are precious stones. I guess english is mot your mother tongue.

@Joe-kn3wt

3 ай бұрын

@@Csio12 'is mot' or 'is not'? Daimons at work, I guess.

I would like to thank you both for such an insightful conversation. I came across Patrick’s work some years ago and was astonished by the clarity of his musings. Grounded and relevant, it’s added to dimension of my own experience. For example his thoughts on choosing a life; I had a dream as preschool child of doing just that, it has informed my life and given me a good deal of understanding, or can l say thrown light on the path. So thank you both again.

What a richness of content and ideas! So many useful insights! Thank you sir for following your deamon and for your contribution to the exploration of the mind and our shared nature. The path you've gone through can be of help to all of us who still need to reveal our nature and being.

@beniscatus4917

Жыл бұрын

I so agree with you. The man is a beacon of light in a murky world. And his idea of re-enchanting the world by focusing on Beauty is just breathtaking.

This was a great interview, thank you.

wonderful, WONDERFUL. thank you for this. and thanks to patrick harpur for all his work

A fascinating trip through history and imagination. I have some new avenues to explore. Thank you!

wisdom beyond knowledge

This perspective seems synchronous with the work of Iain McGilchrist

great!

@peterlangbridge4628

Жыл бұрын

I second that.

fascinating and on board.

Wonderful talk thank you

Perfecto

William Blake, Colwich, Wordswoth Keates Barron German philosophers and British poets, Romantacism Microcosm Macrocosm ... Mandelbrot Set

This is amazing I have never come across Patrick Harpur and I have to know more about him and I’ve never come across this channel either so subscribed and thank you for this. How did you contact him is he doing any talks.

@jodown5584

8 ай бұрын

I’ve read a few of his books, and I highly recommend them to you if you liked this conversation. The ones I read were “Daimonic Reality: A Field Guide to the Otherworld,” “The Philosopher’s Secret Fire: A History of the Imagination,” & “The Secret Tradition of the Soul.” All very fun reads!

@jamesskinnercouk

8 ай бұрын

@@jodown5584 thank you for the pointers, I’ll definitely have a look.

I would say that scientist need great imagination to think that consciousness can be generated by a bunch of meat and blood.

A lot of the more high fantasy, high adventure movies may be geared toward young people for this very reason. As you say those narratives very much replicate ancestral narratives and they do contain this element of danger, excitement and transformation. Just as the passage rites they are a simulacra for those things, people who learn what they have to from these simulacra and can go beyond would be the adult you're talking of. I think weither it's media or actual rites there's always some individuals that will struggle but you're right in the sense that rites are a more efficient kind of normalizing force, the level of simulation is stronger.

I was largely onboard until Patrick claimed that Victorian spiritualist parlour games, things we very well understand these days, were genuine supernatural events.

Yeah collaborating with a daimon thst gets your legs blown off in vietnam. Lovely man

Heraclitus was not mentioned. He said that the Logos is common to all. It was intuition, deeper than reason. From Plato on the Logos was seen as reason. In Christianity Christ was seen as not just one with the Logos but as actually being the Logos, Christ Consciousness, the perception of God as All. Cosmic Consciousness was expansive and attributed to Christ as he had awareness of God as nature and also as transcendent to nature: Spinoza in contrast saw God as nature but did not see or believe that God was also transcendent to nature. Which meant that if nature ended and God was confined to nature God would also end which makes no sense.

why was the interview edited? I wished I could watch his entire explanation

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I did enjoy this conversation though I do not agree with every point. Thank you 🙏

Thx I loved his book daimonic reality 😊... Reminds me of this great long lecture of McKenna kzread.info/dash/bejne/pK6e1M5rZMSumbQ.html Harpurs Imaginative cosmos at the end of the conversation reminds me of Neville Goddards ideas of an Imaginative relational world.

@FoursWithin

7 ай бұрын

Terrence is definitely one of the greatest purveyors on the topic of imagination.

With the rise of AI, will there be a "fall" within the metaverse. The "fall" understood as a metaphor for dissociated self-conscious parts of the greater metaverse. Will there then be competing self-conscious parts fighting and killing each other for dominion.

Folder of time

@JeremyHelm

7 ай бұрын

1:05 okay, that's the connection between Iain McGilchrist & Philip Pullman. The Berlusconi of the brain is analogue to His Dark Materials god.

@JeremyHelm

7 ай бұрын

15:27 two strands, the logos and the mythos, in Plato

@JeremyHelm

7 ай бұрын

17:15 synthesis marginalized by the reformation

@JeremyHelm

7 ай бұрын

23:50 given that we see according to art & dreaming is the art of navigating possible contexts

What is her name?

1:11:29!

Are there supposed to be ads interupting this?

@essentiafoundation

10 ай бұрын

No, there aren't. We do not monetize our videos. If you are seeing ads, KZread is doing it without our agreement.

@tatuco8

8 ай бұрын

Ad Blocker..... simple solution

@redpotter1567

6 ай бұрын

If you are watching on your phone install KZread revanced. No ads with that app.

This is a very interesting interview, and I enjoyed Patrrick’s take on things. I am finding that as I listen to eloquent, educated and thoughtful men so much, however, that the one aspect of humanity they always exclude is the role of women including women’s experience, silence, feminine manifestation in the realm of art/religion/birth/death/marriage/power etc etc etc. All of it. Patrick mentioned Iris Murdoch in this talk and her highlighting the role of a mother who lives as profound a life as a philosopher. Great to hear. But then men’s influence gets full sway as ever, disregarding the fact that the feminine has been kicked into touch like a rugby ball. Men have had their chance and have fucked up. Mightily. Men are so fond of their own thoughts and telling us all about them, quoting other men and their great thoughts who refer to other men and their great thoughts ad infinitum. And many are greatly interesting. Often it’s all we have been subject to throughout our education. I agree with Patrick that the world is reflected in what we see and what we imagine. To extrapolate, surely the messed-up state we are in is an echo of the weight given to the power-over male view and his endless dissemination/mansplaining of ideas? Man shall have all dominion and all that... it’s usually about the through-line of the hero’s quest, A to Z. Patrick explores other notions of the imaginal so beautifully but please acknowledge and differentiate the feminine in your musings.

Thoughts making stories and believeing in it all.. but "who" does this.. and who asks this 😂

Very enjoyable at 1.5 speed😂

This is not making any sense (to me). There's a fundamental difference between silicon and copper (or whatever computers are made of these days) on rhe one hand and a combo of carbon and water on the other hand (add a little nitrogen, sulpher and phosphorus for good measure) ??! It's all made of electrons and protons (add some neutrons for good measure (to controle the protons)) Consciousness is *not* independed of the medium? Are you really saying there's some "consciousness" essence to carbon (just add a little water😅) but not to silicon?! Please feel free to convince me otherwise (liefst in Nederlands, maar Engels is ook goed)

It can't be freely chosen nor not-chosen because the non-egoic "essence" of the potentiated properties/attributes/qualities of ones "Nous" are without dyadic awareness and non-awareness, these things self-select at infinite speeds without cognitive perception through an egoic construct of a placeholder "self". Its hard deterministically random and arbitrary generated in the "Pleroma" in a state of a-moral indifferent meta-innocence. Necessity is a product of di-vision and lacking from existential egoic formulation of lethe/spiritual forgetfulness/death. This guy is just a rambling on intoxicated romantic into the fake world of the demiurgos Lucifer/Yaldabaoth/Logos and has no solid metaphysical meta-schema to ground anything he is saying in or any spiritual meta-memory from past sim cycles. No discernment either to anything he is saying daimon this, demon that, no navigational understanding of the astral or aetheric planes.

@evelanpatton

24 күн бұрын

You must seperate the state of spirituality/intellect like a church dogma, he names several philosophers, scientist, psychologists, & great thinkers in time- his BOOKs connects to ALL WORLD spiritualities/God(s). This is a slice in a loaf of bread. The interviewer is allowing his thoughts to role with focused questions, maybe your questions would be answered as your questions would lead to different connections to spirit. Disallowing thoughtful dialog that by video you are generously allowed to witness & then condemn the beings in communication is SAD. Grow-up/out from under singular “GOD” umbrella & you might realize you are just wrong. He expanded well beyond your limitation/expectation of a dialog between two likeminded people communicating further into/of/from his TWO BOOKS that BOTH participants have knowledge of; so, here’s a suggestion to find what you are missing from this conversation: READ HIS BOOKS.

@Tectenitarius

17 күн бұрын

@@evelanpatton Re-read my comment and re-think what you are asserting. I am not disallowing anything, do you see me trying to shut down this channel or get this KZread video removed? Why does what I have shared create the impression in you that it is "SAD"? Respectfully telling me I must do anything only shows your attempt to epistemically dominate dogmatically proscriptively because what I have shared has upset your spiritual egotism's preconceptions underpinning your existing worldview for some reason? If you re-read my comment, Its an observational judgement made from my position on the circle of life/truth in which I speak from my position on it as an ad hoc part rationalized wager in the spoken and written limited capacity here now through this flesh vessel and only that, having refined that discernment over the last 12 years. This contains all of the specific irrationally placed conceptual placeholders and hierarchies of their placement as part of the "wisdom" I am speaking from of each exoteric "image" and its esoteric "essence". Discernment requires judgement and acting in alignment with ones own inner "wisdom", this will naturally cause a degree of discontent and disagreeableness that is not in itself any form of condemnation. This is not condemnation, its judgement made in estimated balanced principle that is platonically "just" to ones-self and to the other selves, without creating a state of direct intentional injustice of asserting that something is wrong for someone else and right for me and that they need do what I think is right for me and not for them for me. Is it wrong for someone to stand on the top of a building and plan to jump off and to "allow" them to end their life? Its part and parcel of the self-selection live and let live. Condemnation is to assume agentic malevolence and to say it is wrong at a religious legalistic law like level of ontological personalised "evil" and to directly desire to behave in a self-righteous "punishment" to gratify that perceived moral "injustice" situation to something more "just" in attempting to remove that supposed "evil" out of fear/anger. If you notice I only assert that this person in the video is an intoxicated romantic that appears to show no discernment (accordingly from perceptions derived to my wagered "wisdom" coding/truth remembered from "within" from which I spherically "tune" from as part of my "nature"). I never said its absolutely for everyone that it is right or wrong to be the evidently limited conceptualisation "framing" I have used here. The assertion that this "framing" as to what he is speaking about is a type of intoxication is to provide a hint and nothing more, since anything further would be to engage in overt asserting my position on the circle of life/truth of all epistemic potentialities from all "natures" in "play" here now across all of "humanity" and to engage in epistemic dominance and thus dogmatic reasoning. An answer outcome from a potential area of conflicts between "wisdom" coding's/truth gnosis configurations in which the outcome always aligns to "Figure it out for yourself, up to you to discern if you must or must not" is not at all dogmatic as it implies an indifference unattachment to the outcome if what I am "pointing" to is a precious priceless "pearl" of remembered a-lethe-ia or is just an ignorant placements of concepts, ideas and themes formulated into an unquestionable dogma. Depends which "wisdom" code one is currently "tuned" from which gives the meaningful context of each placement of images/essences and the bi-directionality of "meta-gnosis" in them. I therefore speak with the assertiveness of my discernment (within my worldview position along with all of its placeholder concepts, ideas and themes and their meta-superstructural context from which I make reference too and are my irrational priors) for whomever might want also share it as part of the same "soul grouping" from "within" who shares that spiritual "meta-memory". Its evident you are not perhaps part of the shared "soul grouping" as shown by your direct hostility to it so you must be coming/tuned to a different "wisdom" salience and relevance coding which is your "nature" now revealing now, so this information is not for your "eyes".

Plotinus said imagination (I'm assuming he means φαντασία) is the highest faculty of the soul? I can't see any Platonist placing imagination above reason. This sounds very strange to me indeed. Anyone care to point me to where he says that in The Enneads? Edit: Oh, I see, he is not talking about the actual philosophy of Plotinus; he's making stuff up.

@melaniebruce3923

Жыл бұрын

Are you suggesting Plotinus didn’t make stuff up?

@thedarkmikebass8530

Жыл бұрын

Check out: Warren, E. (1966). Imagination in Plotinus. The Classical Quarterly, 16(2), 277-285. doi:10.1017/S0009838800029931

@gerontodon

Жыл бұрын

​@@melaniebruce3923 AFAICS, he's neither that suggesting Plotinus did make things up, nor that he didn't make things up.

@peteraddison4371

8 ай бұрын

... this, IS😅 (KNOT) where WE are not ...

@OnceTheyNamedMeiWasnt

6 ай бұрын

Everything is imagination. Even your comment about Plotinus. Even what you're doing in response to my comment. In fact, you are imagination.