I didn’t mention anti-flicker as it’s generally to reduce inconsistency in the exposure of the entire frame. So without it you could have bright and dark images alternating with one another, but while using anti flicker the shutter will align with the brightest output of the light each time to give you more consistent exposure. It rarely has much effect on banding artifacts (in my personal experience at least). In terrible LED lighting situations the best I found it did was make the banding more consistent 😂 (on the a7iii specifically).

@MaximDupliy

3 жыл бұрын

Hello Wes, thank you. Can you confirm if the postrrization issue (michael the maven talked about) is fixed with the latest firmware? As well as all other artifacts in e-shitter mode? And, Is it (the A9) is a good go in 2020 or R6 is better now with it's tracking accuracy and DR? Thank you for your good review

@WesPerry

3 жыл бұрын

It can still get lots of posterization in high dynamic range circumstances when shooting in compressed raw. If you want to avoid that you need to switch to uncompressed, unfortunately. Most of the time it happens so infrequently and you have to look so closely that it's really not that much of an issue, though.

@factumphotography

2 жыл бұрын

i repeat sir i am getting problem in still photography and also without flash . flicker banding and other problem comes in ntsc or pal and in still when your shutter speed not match with flash shutter speed or not sync properly . but my problem is in day light without flash

Oh my gosh!!! You are the first person I have found that actually explained the 3ed situation!! I have been having so many problems indoors with this banding. Thank you so much

I deal with light banding all the time. Thank you so much for explaining these in a simple form so that I can explain it to others as well.

Great advice! I have one venue that has the most terrible banding lights I've ever seen. I was wondering why they are so much worse, but now that makes sense!

Thank you. Not enough people talk about this issue. It's cropped up a few times with me. One particular time I was doing a shoot for a friend in an old church cafeteria. We had shot in the church first and everything was fine, but when we moved over to the cafeteria and did some impromptu group shots, I got back and everything from the cafeteria had the banding. Very frustrating and a hard lesson.

@WesPerry

4 жыл бұрын

Sounds like you ran into some old sodium vapor lights. Gross.

Banding 101. Great explanation! Thanks for being straight to the issue at hand for us photographers :D

To delete first problem you can use just Photoshop. Copy layer, change its layer mode to lighten, then move this layer up for 1-3 px :)

Did know about this, and did read about it briefly, as an amateur photographer (no money coming in, more a hobby photogist) I have never run in to the problem with any of my Sony bodies, and I did watch your set up of the menus and have e front curtain and silent shutter in the "My Menu 1" slot on the camera. E front curtain is always on, but easy to turn off in needed, and silent shutter is there as well if I need to be ultra quiet. As I say a hobbyist photog and my main interests are getting out in the sun, walking around seeing & photographing different and interesting/beautiful landscapes, so not so much a problem for me. Good kick up the bum reminder though, I'd forgotten all about it, had to check my menu to see where they were in "My Menu" tab ! As always, Well done that man...

Best video about the subject in youtube.

Wow, thank you for explaining all of this! I shot a wedding over the weekend and had an issue with the lighting and banding and had no idea what was happening! I thought I was going to have to send my camera to get repaired.

@ralphharp449

2 жыл бұрын

I just had the same issue yesterday. I'm glad I took some outdoor shots also.

@factumphotography

2 жыл бұрын

You also have problem in still images or in video? My still image is banding or flicker . Video is good . I am from India and i use PAL not NTSC... in Pal i dont get flicker or banding. but in still photography i have problem and this problem sometime occurs and some time vanish. I am totally fade up with all this .

Great video. Thanks

Thank you for this.

Loved it 🙌🏻

Very nice video

Appreciate this video my guy 🔥 super helpful💯

@WesPerry

Жыл бұрын

All I can ask for! 👍🏻

Recently switched to the a9 for my main camera. Thank you for providing the link to show how the a9 did with different lighting. I mainly try to shot at 1/160 in theater light no flash allowed situations so this looks promising for trying to keep quiet. Also, good to know about the 85. Sounds like for those rare situations I'm probably better off using the 70-200 GM.

@WesPerry

4 жыл бұрын

I think one of the reasons the 70-200GM does better is that the flare needs to have a warm tone to cause the issue, while the 70-200GM flares a bit greenish.

@voederbietels

11 ай бұрын

is 1/60 not to slow for moving people on stage?

If I shoot with a Z9 in back button focus mode will I get banding? In other words, I “machine focus” and then go back to manual focus for the actual exposure.

Flicker detection might also help with light banding on bodies that support it (5D4, XT3, A7R3, etc). Stage lights in some venues I shoot in are particularly bad. It's really noticeable on my 5D3 shooting dance at >=1/1000.

@WesPerry

4 жыл бұрын

I didn’t mention anti-flicker as it’s generally to reduce inconsistency in the exposure of the entire frame. So without it you could have bright and dark images alternating with one another, but while using anti flicker the shutter will align with the brightest output of the light each time to give you more consistent exposure. It rarely has much effect on banding artifacts (in my personal experience at least). In terrible LED lighting situations the best I found it did was make the banding more consistent 😂 (on the a7iii specifically).

Thank you again. I would like to know more how Rotolight (and similar) differ from say AD200 when it comes to banding? I understand constant light but not sure how flash on AD200 differs from LED on Rotolight. Thank you Wes! Always a joy getting a video from you!

@WesPerry

4 жыл бұрын

In HSS a regular flash (like the AD200) emits several quick pulses to cover the time the shutter moves across the sensor. An LED flash, though, just turns on the LED brighter for a long enough period of time to cover the shutter traversing the sensor. No pulsing, just holding. Both methods cause the flash to dim in HSS due to the increased power consumption.

@deeyammy783

4 жыл бұрын

@@WesPerry Thank you. I understand.

Instructive video. It's indeed worth adding "ECFS" to "My Menu". About the last problem, maybe it's possible to fix it in post by shooting a lot of photos even with the silent shutter, and then "smart" merging them? The problem is that "smart" part, but in theory, such a program could be made and fix photos automatically.

@WesPerry

4 жыл бұрын

That would likely be possible with static subjects. But for people moving around you’re kindof stuck. I fixed one once just by making exposure masks the size of the dark bands and upping the exposure. It was a bit tedious but it mostly worked.

I've found setting my shutter speed to 1/100s on a7iii really helps banding when I shoot in silent mode ( I'm in UK, just in case lights have different frequencies in other countries ). Basically, if you shoot in silent mode, see what shutter speed helps.

@WesPerry

4 жыл бұрын

That would be the equivalent of 1/125 in North America.

@aFLYER1980

4 жыл бұрын

@@WesPerry guess so, and defo worth a try. It's not perfect, as I've found some lights work differently, but for the most part, changing the shutter speed helps

@WesPerry

4 жыл бұрын

I didn’t recommend doing this in the video as I have always found this Reduces the amount of banding, but hardly ever eliminates it, at best leaving dark bands at the top and bottom. Hard to see, BUT I CAN SEE THEM. Haha

@aFLYER1980

4 жыл бұрын

@@WesPerry sorry, should have said I dont shoot video.

@factumphotography

2 жыл бұрын

@@aFLYER1980 in video I can understand flicker or banded images and also in still photography with flash light . but in day light we are facing image flicker or banded image ....its create nuisance

Where it's not glare, one essence is the blinking of lights, but that does not explain typical banding. The real essence is that your camera has time parallax. This is as old as slit or curtain shutters and visible in film photos of race cars before WW2. With film you lose time parallax by using a leaf shutter. That doesn't work with digital because the camera scans photovoltaic cells in the sensor. It may run parallel scans in expensive high MP cameras or have one scan that turns the entire image into a single band.

I've been there and I second the motion your finding. Very well said. However, irrespective of a chosen camera brand and format, we just have to put up with the limitation of the technology at the moment. Thought about global shutter? Anyways, like the rest of the photographers here, I can relate and emphatise with this dilemma of shooting in silent mode as per required by the client and venue. Keep up the good work buddy.

@WesPerry

2 жыл бұрын

Global shutter typically results in reduced dynamic range (or massive cost to get both), so we have to live with what we have ;) The new a1 and Z9 show you can get Very close to a global shutter without actually needing one, though.

When getting banding with full mechanical shutter and LED venue lights, faster speeds seem worse. Sometimes, 1/60s or 1/30s solves it, but then subject motion is a problem. Can you elaborate on the effect of shutter speed with mechanical, EFCS and silent shutter? I have a rough intuitive grasp, but not a clear enough understanding to actually know what to do. Thanks!

Thanks for your videos. Are you still using Hoya VND filter or the K&F? Honestly...

@WesPerry

4 жыл бұрын

It’s too cold outside to have to make that decision just yet. I’ll let you know when it happens, though 😏 (The size of the K&F makes it trickier to pack and go on the lens. I might actually switch entirely over to Freewell because of the convenience factor! (Haven’t tested their variables yet tho)).

I am looking at purchasing Sony RX10 IV, does it have same problem?

Hi Wes, so basically, is it okay to use EFCS-ON when i shoot off camera flash in 1/250 setup right? because it seems EFCS-ON help the camera reduce the shutter shocks.

@WesPerry

3 жыл бұрын

Absolutely 👌🏻

For Sony Shooters, in your description you should give them where they can find the mechanical shutter options in the menu system.

@WesPerry

4 жыл бұрын

I considered doing that in the video, but it's in a slightly different place in all my Sony bodies (a7ii, a6000, a7iii, a9), so I didn't want to add any confusion. I guess I could be somewhat general about it...

@WesPerry

4 жыл бұрын

Okay, I just added it into the description for the a7iii and a9.

@joanmedina2886

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you, I shoot on the (A7riii) I’m sure I’ll find it!

I am shooting concerts in chamber hall, and various type of silent concerts, so I am using silent shutter, and dimmed lights means TROUBLE! So solution is shooting from monopod and really slow shutter speed ( 1/5;1/20 .. ) so lots of photos is just blury, because artists are moving, also d850 AF isnt that great for shooting silent, but DX mode is great for 70-200.

@WesPerry

4 жыл бұрын

I suppose they’re not going to be changing out those annoying LED bulbs for you? 😏

@ValtersPelns

4 жыл бұрын

@@WesPerry Sometimes they're using led at decent power, so this isn't a problem, but it's really rare occasion, because moody lighting is a must 😁 Worst case scenario is using led not only for background, but also for lighting musicians.

Best parts of the videos : 2:06 & 10:48 x°D ...Love this video man!But i've to watch at least 3 to understand (lack of language) =)

@WesPerry

4 жыл бұрын

Not really no. Anti flicker is more for making the frame to frame exposure consistent. So each shot is while the lights are their brightest. It doesn’t have much of an effect on banding artifacts, as anti flicker doesn’t work with silent shutter, or have any impact on flash work, and lights that are bad enough to give mechanical shutters trouble will be too bad for anti flicker to correct anyway.

Great explanation thank you. I may dream in color here, but is there a way to fix the picture once taken 😢 i ruined a whole set a photos without noticing it. If there's a fix in post I'll be glad to have it. Thanks again ❤

@WesPerry

Жыл бұрын

Depends which issue specifically. I once methodically created a dodge and burn mask to paste over a few images that had artificial light banding. Took some time, but worked reasonably well.

Hi! Thank you so much for this video but do you know how to remove the light banding from photos in Lightroom or photoshop? I have had it come up on my client's wedding photos and really need a solution but can't seem to find one anywhere. Thank you very much in advance!

@WesPerry

Жыл бұрын

It’s not easy, but if necessary I’ll create a layer and manually draw positive exposure lines across it to match the lines on the image.

hello. I have a6300. Can you tell me how ro assign el. shutter priority on/off to a shortcut ? I would like to assign it to the right button but it is not on the list.

@WesPerry

Жыл бұрын

Unfortunately it can’t be assigned to a button, which is super annoying. On the newer Sony cameras it can be assigned to the favourites menu, but you can’t even do that with the a6300. Have to just know where to find it quickly in the big camera menu 🤦🏻‍♂️

One question. If I use the Ar7 ii with a lightning trigger (for lightning photography) do you thing that I will get banding? I'm thinking about using f10 exp 1/10 iso 100. With the efcs (because it has the lowest shutter lag).

@WesPerry

3 жыл бұрын

I doubt it. Generally you only get issues with EFCS when you’re at shutter speeds above 1/250s, or with bad artificial lighting. This is neither of those.

@thanosmanolis7783

3 жыл бұрын

@@WesPerry thx!!!

@thanosmanolis7783

3 жыл бұрын

@@WesPerry On second thought lightning happens extremely fast and efcs isnt nearly as fast as a mechanical shutter. So i think that there is still a little bit of danger getting some sort of rolling effect on the photos. What do you think?

@WesPerry

3 жыл бұрын

There would only be a rolling effect if your shutter speed was faster than 1/250s. Beyond that, your shutter doesn’t truly open all the way but just sweeps. But at 1/10s, the whole thing hangs open. I suppose there’s a very small chance if the lightning were to happen at the first fraction of an instant of your exposure, maybe, when the sensor was still being reset electronically?

@thanosmanolis7783

3 жыл бұрын

@@WesPerry thx, again!!!

Hi Wes, great video ! I need to take pictures of a one-man show and it's all in the front of a big screen. I get sometime a banding. How do i get rid of this in-camera, can you help me ? 🙂I use a Canon 6d mkII and a 5ds. Thank you !

@WesPerry

Жыл бұрын

Oh man, that's a tough one. It depends a LOT on what kind of projector it is. Different projectors not only have different refresh rates, but different technologies can give you grief. Like some DLP projectors, though they theoretically have a 60Hz refresh rate, will actually be showing Red then Green then Blue consecutively during that 60Hz, so it's actually a rainbow of 20Hz refreshes, which is a Nightmare. Essentially the easiest thing to do is to put your camera in mirror lockup mode (because you're on dslrs) and cycle through shutter speeds until you stop seeing the background strobing/banding/rainbowing. 1/125 and 1/60 are the most likely speeds to work. But the problem obviously is the 1/60 is almost useless for taking pics of people. But as I said, every projector is different, so you'll have to get there early and do some testing to see which shutter speed works best. I had a wedding in front of some awful DLP projectors, and I could only get it all in at 1/20s, which totally didn't work, so I created a moveable layer with colour corrections that I could slide over the images I took, with bands of blue correction, red correction, green correction, and then deleted the areas of the layer where people were in front of the screen and the stage, and shot at 1/125s. All I can say about that is UGH. haha.

@ThomasMasottiPhoto

Жыл бұрын

@@WesPerry Wow thank you for your great answer !! You know your topic ! I guess it'll be a nightmare but i will do some test before the show and see what is going on ;-) Thank you Wes !😉

Thanks a lot! I thought I've broken my camera, but it is just a hotel light...

I just love it when banding is slowly moving up and down the video when you cant see it on your viewfinder. Its so frustrating! More so under florescent lights. Grrrr!

@WesPerry

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah that’s just the worst. You hope for either really bad (so you can see it and deal with it) or none at all.

@northislandnow8858

4 жыл бұрын

@@WesPerry it's frustrating. I guess in reality we should have lights to replace there's when needed.

Literally never seen banding in my photos until I turned the camera silent. Now that I turned it back on, its gone! So weird.

A7riii shooter here and I get crazy banding on manual mode and sometimes on aperture mode. It really sucks having to worry about banding when I try and do street photography at night. There's no second chances and lighting is always an issue. If anyone has any advice please let me know.

@WesPerry

2 жыл бұрын

That would be from flickering street lights. Some street lights are the worst possible light source. Are you shooting in silent?

@RadhaKrishna-ud6ln

2 жыл бұрын

I am having same problem with banding .. indoor lighting .. and I want to shoot with 1/200 to get slow motion with 4K

@WesPerry

2 жыл бұрын

You’re going to need to supply different lighting. Set up your own flicker free lights, or work by window light only.

@Anonymous-gu1bt

2 жыл бұрын

@@WesPerryYes

So, when I’m recording, I’m using electronic shutter yeah? So in camera’s settings, it doesn’t matter to put on or off on e-front curtain shutter, right?

@WesPerry

4 жыл бұрын

If you mean video, yeah, that’s all electronic.

@WesPerry

4 жыл бұрын

In that case all you can do is vary your frame rate to see if that will have an effect on it.

@WesPerry

4 жыл бұрын

Again just for video it doesn’t do anything at all.

@cab2476

4 жыл бұрын

So on e-front curtain shutter in camera’s settings, doesn’t matter to select ON or OFF? I’m asking you, for make me sure. Thanks

@cab2476

4 жыл бұрын

Wes Perry thanks!

I got this but In yellow :( it was not big but on the side

I shoot the z7 at iso 64 speed 1/8000 and f 16 and I got a very horrible banding....any solution?

@WesPerry

4 жыл бұрын

You have to disable your electronic first curtain shutter when in HSS (above about 1/200s shutter speed).

@careverga8624

4 жыл бұрын

@@WesPerry Thxs mate!!..got it!!..

@WesPerry

4 жыл бұрын

Sweet 👌🏻

Is a bigger sensor create more banding do to its sensitivity. I just want to make sure my new ZV1 isn't broken

@WesPerry

3 жыл бұрын

Not so much due to its sensitivity. Bigger sensors generally speaking create more banding because they’re scan times are longer than on smaller sensors. It takes more time to read them from top to bottom. The exception to this would be the a9, which reads much faster than other sensors in its class due to its high speed stacked design, and anything with a global sensor, like a RED cinema camera. What issue specifically are you having with your ZV1?

@thomasusheriii971

3 жыл бұрын

@@WesPerry Under certain light situations while recording I get to horizontal branding bars that slowly move up the screen and then repeat starting from the bottom and slowly move to the top. they completely go away if I put the camera to 1/125 or lower. It occurs the worst in my room which has super bright ceiling lights. do you think I should swap out my camera or is this normal

@WesPerry

3 жыл бұрын

Hmm. That likely has more to do with your shutter speed mixing with the refresh rate of your lights. A lot of LED lights cycle at 60 or 120Hz (although they can be many other speeds , and if your shutter speed syncs with it, the black bars appear (the dark you don’t see in between the cycles of your lights). It’s fairly normal to have to adjust shutter speed (also referred to as shutter angle in this instance) to have to compensate for this. It doesn’t affect smartphones so much because they tend to record at pretty low shutter speeds (1/15 to 1/30 at most) in video, and also tend to do frame combining for HDR, which also tends to cancel out such artifacts.

@WesPerry

3 жыл бұрын

(Swapping out your bulbs would be the easiest thing. It’s just those particular light bulbs)

@thomasusheriii971

3 жыл бұрын

@@WesPerry thank you! So you think there's nothing wrong with my camera?

i have it with the z9 for event photograpy it is terrible due to led light. reduce the shutterspeed is an option but you get blurred images . HSS sync flash Forget it. I have to go back to the d850 what a shame

@WesPerry

11 ай бұрын

Do you have flicker reduction enabled on the Z9? I found it was surprisingly good at avoiding banding. I was expecting it to be much worse.

@voederbietels

11 ай бұрын

@@WesPerry yes i did and it didnt work.

@WesPerry

11 ай бұрын

I also found I had no issues at all with HSS flash sync using the godox products I had on hand (AD200, 300 Pro, 600 Pro). Sorry you’ve had such bad luck!

When im Upload a Raw to this fixing Site and im Downloaded the file again nothing happened 🤷🏻‍♂️ still that ugly stripes. Why?

@WesPerry

3 жыл бұрын

Depends on the source of your stripes. The site I’m thinking of is for PDAF striping only, not flash banding.

@miataND

3 жыл бұрын

@@WesPerry Yea i Got This typ of stripes from backlight situations.

@WesPerry

3 жыл бұрын

And is your camera one of the models compatible with the system? Which one is it?

@miataND

3 жыл бұрын

@@WesPerry a6000 the ruined Shot was done with sony 85mm 1.8

@WesPerry

3 жыл бұрын

Hmm that’s a shame. Would you mind sharing the image with me so I can try? At info@wesperryphotography.com

LMAO GRATENAL!

Ok. So how do I fix it?

@WesPerry

3 жыл бұрын

Depends what kind you’re experiencing.

Can not seem to find my problem anywhere, i had a photoshoot in a hotel room with goldenhour, not shooting directly in de sun, but from the side, 1/1000, and the wall on the background of the model was full of banding, in every picture! I am using the sony a7iii, but i have never heard about different shutters till now, but again, can not seem te find my problem anywhere because i was not shooting directly into the sun or used a flash.

@WesPerry

4 жыл бұрын

Was there any artificial light on that wall? Were you using flash?

@oneleggedlifter7660

4 жыл бұрын

@@WesPerry no there was only sun hitting her left side, and no flash! And the banding was really bad. Could there be something wrong with the camera? Outside photos i dont see the problem coming up

@WesPerry

4 жыл бұрын

Very interesting. Is there anywhere I can see this photo?

@oneleggedlifter7660

4 жыл бұрын

@@WesPerry yes! On instagram @frwrd.designs the last post! I only posted a couple but the whole serie got it

@WesPerry

4 жыл бұрын

@@oneleggedlifter7660 Maybe it's because instagram is too small, but I can't see the banding...

My Sony M4 have issue in still image also ..one side of pic light n other side dark..no solution yet

@WesPerry

2 жыл бұрын

Is this with flash or no?

@factumphotography

2 жыл бұрын

@@WesPerry without flash

@factumphotography

2 жыл бұрын

That's why I am very sad about this problem

@factumphotography

2 жыл бұрын

I will send you sample images too...plz share your email or contact number...it's a very different problem ..I also never saw such a problem in my carrier

@WesPerry

2 жыл бұрын

@@factumphotography I assume you’re in artificial light then? Not daylight?

how can we remove it in post?

@WesPerry

11 ай бұрын

Which kind? The big flash banding can sometimes be removed meticulously by creating brightening layers over the dark bands. The pdaf striping used to be manageable with a free online tool, but it hasn’t been updated in ages and doesn’t work for newer cameras and somehow even doesn’t work great for the older ones anymore either.

@The_Daliban

11 ай бұрын

@@WesPerry thanks🙏🏻 Bandings from fluorescent light flicker. I hoped there was an easy way to do it with layers and blending modes.

@WesPerry

11 ай бұрын

Oh that’s even harder because that tends to have colour shifts. But ultimately yeah the best you can do is play with layers for both light and colour adjustments. It’s rough.

@The_Daliban

11 ай бұрын

@@WesPerry thank you for your input🙏🏻 I was hoping I wouldn’t have to do that but OK😅 next time I’ll make sure to use the mechanical shutter👍🏻🎉

It's 2024 there should be no banding or anything. Ai should have the ability to compensate and adjust.

@WesPerry

4 ай бұрын

Unfortunately it’s 2024 and light bulbs have gotten even Worse since this video came out, and this is an even bigger issue than ever 🥴

First

@WesPerry

4 жыл бұрын

Stay in school! 🤓

@deeyammy783

4 жыл бұрын

@@WesPerry LOL!

@Mikeyyshoots

4 жыл бұрын

Wes Perry why

So, the solution is DON'T USE SONY 🤔

@WesPerry

4 жыл бұрын

Flash banding, you can get this with any brand, I’m afraid. Pretty much all mirrorless cameras, and many DSLR’s when in mirror lockup mode. Artificial light banding from any brand or camera type, depending on the light source. Silent shutter banding the Sony a9 is more resistant than any other full frame camera.

@knightriders81

3 жыл бұрын

What lense could I use for golden hour to prevent this from happening? I have the 50mm f1.8 now.

@WesPerry

3 жыл бұрын

Essentially any lens that resists flaring resists this effect. The cheaper lenses tend to be worse for it, of course. Better coatings=more resistance.

Why are your pauses so awkward. Do you talk like this IRL?

I'm getting a lot of warping images, is that because of electronic shutter?

@WesPerry

Жыл бұрын

Depends. Which camera?

@NewYorkerPEACE

Жыл бұрын

@@WesPerry it happens on all my sony cameras: Fx3, iv & &siii. my shutter's a 1/250 and I get a lot of banding. thanks for getting back.

@WesPerry

Жыл бұрын

Rolling shutter / warping images in silent shutter mode (full electronic) on the a7iv is Wayyyy worse than on the Fx3 and Siii, but none of them are Amazing for that. Just have to not pan quickly when in electronic shutter mode to avoid it.

@NewYorkerPEACE

Жыл бұрын

@@WesPerry but I thought rolling shutter would be more of an issue in video not still shooting a 1/250?

@WesPerry

Жыл бұрын

It can certainly be an issue for both. Because of the scan speed of the sensor in electronic shutter, you can get it at any shutter speed all the way to 1/8000s