Honestly, if people judged all of the characters in Dynasty warriors based off of their historical counterparts, 90% of the characters would be outright monsters. Hell, Gan Ning was essentially a serial killer.

@arthur4633

26 күн бұрын

Yeah for sure. Gan Ning....Ma Chao as well, everyone loves him in DW right? I mean I do he was my first main in DW3 (cuz I had the save data from DW2 so he was unlocked from the start ;) ) but historically a child and woman murdering psychopath who caused the downfall of his whole family lol.....successful warlords, generals and kings are most probably socio or psychopaths to rise to that level. I wouldn't wanna hang out with any of them.

@666Kaca

26 күн бұрын

@@arthur4633 cao cao was a visionary and a fantastic leader tho

@TheNightowlGaming

26 күн бұрын

they definitely all got their dark sides except for a few

@leejimmy9679

26 күн бұрын

Cow Pee was one of my favorite, just look at DW7XL when he let Sun Quan go because he scared to lost Zhen Ji in return, like how many gentlemen could do that for his girl? But Cao Pi of the history is just... dot dot dot. the way he killed his litte bro (whose Cao Cao favorite and supposedly to be the emperor) from a very young age and the way he kill Zhen Ji is just terrifying.

@arthur4633

26 күн бұрын

@@666Kaca I love cao cao I can’t front. He’s nuts but like ruthless but fair sort of vibes…and more honest than Liu Bei or whoever about just wanting to rule everything n turn shit around.

You should do a series comparing historic characters to their game/book counterparts

@Achance2c

26 күн бұрын

that would be awesome! he knows a lot, He should also do a colab with the coolhistorybros

@TheNightowlGaming

26 күн бұрын

Thats a good idea! I'm down!

Anyone who doesnt like Zhang Fei is just mad he wouldnt let them past the bridge!

@TheNightowlGaming

26 күн бұрын

The bridge demon! 🌉

Tbh I didn't like the guy even before learning about his historical side lol. Historical stuff aside (which depending on the stuff CAN impact a likability on a character for many, fictional side or no) I just don't find him likable enough. Bros a beast no doubt about it, loyal to his sworn brothers and looks like a lovable pops to his kids. Outside of that though, he's a horrid drunk, a moron, arrogant to a huge fault, jumps the gun on too many things, is the big reason Lu Bu was able to take Liu Bei's home of Xiapi due to him mistreating and abusing the soldiers, despite Liu Bei's wishes of wanting Zhuge Liang, continued to give the guy hardships despite constantly proving himself and tbh the list could go on. To anyone who DOES like him, you ain't gonna get hate on or a debate from me, as Nightowl said he's got another portrayal and he has his pluses so all power to you, I ain't gonna rag on people for liking the guy! But I really just can't, does the historical stuff influence it? Sure a bit, but I just never liked the guy. Imo he's the least likable out of the 3 brothers, even on a fictional standpoint but that's me lol. Love the video tho and keep up the great work!

@realenew

27 күн бұрын

actually i like the guy for the negative trait, you know, for variety, its no fun if everyone all noble and just

@HighPriestFuneral

27 күн бұрын

In the novel he uses his reputation for being drunk to one-up Zhang He in the leadup to Mt. Dingjun, Zhang He believed the ruse and got himself caught in Zhang Fei's ploy, annihilating Zhang He's unit, forcing him into a rout. (In history he cleverly positions his troops and divides Zhang He's men, allowing him to surround and conquer them) Further in history we see his brashness give way to understanding. Instead of killing Yan Yan for insolence, he shows how much he had developed as a person and treats Yan Yan with high respect. Near the end of his life he relapsed into many of his earlier issues, likely as a result of Guan Yu's death, leading to his own assassination because of men he mistreated Zhang Fei has a lot of issues, but I think those issues make him a more fleshed out character, it also gives him room to grow and change in the stories that are told about him.

@Darkheart1413

27 күн бұрын

I’m the same when I was younger I based a lot of my likes/dislikes on a character’s appearance and I just always disliked the look of both him and Guan Yu, over time I grew to actually hate Zhang Fei, because of these character flaws you point out and he’s just so annoying. History only strengthened my hatred of him, he’s probably at the bottom of my list. I hate early shu because I hate playing as the three brothers, I hate Zhang Fei, but the other two I’d say is just strong dislike

@josephbutler4950

26 күн бұрын

It's interesting that the reasons you state that you dislike the guy is the same reasons I love him. He is such a contrast to the noble and regal guan yu and the kind and gentle Liu bei. But we are all welcome to our opinions.

@TheNightowlGaming

26 күн бұрын

Appreciate it, glad you like it! And just as you said, I'm not gonna tag on those who genuinely dislike him whether from history or not! The game has so many characters we're bound to like some and others not so much but at the end if the day we all love DW!

I love how Liu Bei try his best to stay in good terms with Lu Bu at Xuzhou and out of nowhere Zhang Fei was offering to fight at any time with the "bastard of three fathers". And do not forget when he stole a bunch of horses from Lu Bu and has 0 remorse, claiming he did it and wanted to fight again😂. Zhang Fei such a drunk hotheaded ❤

@TheNightowlGaming

26 күн бұрын

Lol makes for interesting moments!

there’s no dynasty warriors without zhang fei ‼️‼️‼️

@TheNightowlGaming

26 күн бұрын

😎😎😎

Thank you, Zhang Fei is my favorite Shu character I hate the hate on my boy.

@strafe155

26 күн бұрын

Zhang Fei is a great character in the games and romance of the three kingdoms, the hate only comes from people who dislike him based on his historical counterpart. The problem is that if you judged all of the DW characters based on who they were in history, 90% of them would be considered completely reprehensible.

@TylerG60

26 күн бұрын

Sup bruh

Zhang Fei was definitely a flawed character both historically and narratively, but you are correct, he isn't alone in that regard. I believe he gets more attention because he is a major character in shu. The "good guy" faction is going to be more scrutinized for harboring an immoral character.

@TheNightowlGaming

26 күн бұрын

yeah definitelly a major character, and the more popular you are, the more people look for faults

Yea I understand how you feel people like Cao Cao and Nobunga alot even though in history they were awful. But with Zhang Fei his historical moments are always brought up. I can't defend that DW9 stuff tho they should've just never opened that can of worms 💀💀

@TheNightowlGaming

26 күн бұрын

BRO BRINGING IN XIAHOUJI IN THAT MANNER AND THE CUTSCEBES WBY!! yeah I agree..

Zhang Fei self-evidently has problems, but Dynasty Warriors isn't actually all that concerned with the virtue of its characters, and when it is, it's often to highlight their hypocrisy. To anyone who dislikes him, I invite you to try and engage with the character more impartially for whether or not he's interesting/compelling, not whether he's your idea of a "good person." Like, he's a fictional take on a historical figure who lived in radically different times to our own, there's no real value in purity testing him. While not a personal favorite, Zhang Fei brings some flavor and grit to Shu that the faction sometimes lacks while still embodying the same fierce loyalty as his sworn brothers.

@TheNightowlGaming

26 күн бұрын

exactly, I appreciate the comment! Definitely some characters need to be seen from a video game/hypothetical lense, some people have a hard time differentiating the two

Reasons why Zhang Fei is disliked. 1) he is part of Shu 2) he is the 3rd wheel of the brothers( it should be Liu Bei) 3) Xiahouji 4) Xiapi/Lu Bu situation

@whocare8260

26 күн бұрын

5: rude and loud 6: doesn't follow orders 7: Treat his troops terribly, ended in his death.

@ninjareema9803

26 күн бұрын

As a wu fan I don’t like shu and due to zhang fei many bad rumors situation .. eh I don’t like him But I do like only few officers in shu like Jiang wei

@666Kaca

26 күн бұрын

I thought shu was the most popular one, everybody loves liu bei and the 5 tiger generals, zhao yun has literally been the poster boy of the franchise since dynasty warriors 2

@karabomafa5609

26 күн бұрын

@@666Kaca "everybody" lol nah.. their greatest feats are all in retreating situations 😂.. Liu Bei and Jiang Wei sacrificed thousands of soldiers at the altar of their delusion and naivety .. Zhuge Liang is the biggest nasarcist of the time

@TheNightowlGaming

26 күн бұрын

100%

I look at any DW character in three ways (most folks likely do this): 1. Personality/story 2. How fun the fighting style is 3. How effective the combat is Zhang Fei has one of these for me. He has a VERY effective fighting style.

@TheNightowlGaming

26 күн бұрын

Fighitng style is really good, one of the best AOE styles

Considering these are works of fiction based on a work of fiction that is based off of reality I really don't think people should be focusing so much on the historical counterpart's more so when morals of 1800 years ago in China aren't the same as mortals in 2024 in the western half of the globe, who could've guessed that? With that said there are reasons to dislike Game Zhang Fei, In particular I never liked playing as him in most of the games because half his moves feel stubby and useless, but I don't want to hear about why I should hate a fictional portrayal of a historical character for something he didn't do in the fictional portrayal of DW. One last note is that Gan Ning was a serial killer who flat out had no problem with murdering children but that didn't stop him from being ranked high on your popularity poll compared to Zhang Fei, so I guess people are just very selective with the unforgivable crimes that historical counterparts do and that's the part that i hate the most. On that note I do like Fictional Gan Ning better than fictional Zhang Fei but you get my point.

@Coven_of_Hags

26 күн бұрын

Very well put! Character opinions are very dicey, as it is like you said most of not all of their historical counterparts have committed unforgivable crimes by our standards today. My favorite character is Diaochan and I’m well aware she is a fictional figure based on a historical maid who had an affair with LuBu. Most people I have spoken to in this community either love her or hate her because of her methods of completing the task she was presented with, but I feel the ends justified the means as the only people she hurt were themselves the enemies of the masses at the time (depending on the masses one polled ofc). I think she is the closest we get to a real hero in the story imo with historical context added into the equation even though this mostly because there is not a lot of historical documentation to go off of.

@TheNightowlGaming

26 күн бұрын

For sure, disliking the character for his in game representation makes sense, but the historical never made sense since that will never change and then characters like Ma Chao, Cao Cao & Gan ning like you mentioned come out almost unscathed! Its easier to just compartmentalize what story the games gives us & enjoy them

All the people I know love him to a dagree or don't dislike him. Pretty sure it's just a internet thing.

@TheNightowlGaming

26 күн бұрын

has to be

Oh yea? I'm tired of the Bao Sanniang hate and Xing Cai slander. Btw I like the video, people are allowed to dislike characters but some people are overzealous when it comes to characters in a mostly fictional setting. It gets to the point where it's like "yes, we know you don't like this character, move on"

@strafe155

26 күн бұрын

What it boils down to is that a lot of people can't differentiate between the fictional characters in the games and their IRL historical counterparts. The thing is, if you judged all of these characters based on how they were in history, most of them would be completely reprehensible. Hell, Gan Ning was literally a serial Killer, and Liu Bei was a backstabbing warmonger who forced his adopted son to commit suicide and screwed over nearly everyone he ever served under.

@TheNightowlGaming

26 күн бұрын

For sure, maybe I'll do one for them too, the only character I would say i hate is xiahouji and its not even her fault its cause the way she was developed...

@reversingmemory

24 күн бұрын

People hate xing cai!?!?!? I absolutely adored her growing up when she was first introduced in dw5. Admittedly I'm not active in the dw community so idk a lot of peoples opinions of the characters

I agree overall I am so tired of the illogical hate he receives on the internet. No one I’ve ever met in the outside world has ever hated this guy he’s cool, a bro, strong, and fun. He has his temperament but that’s what makes him fun. It’s as if the internet has forgotten characters can have flaws and that helps them be full characters . Historically he had his flaws (I find it gross) but it is absurd to judge him with modern lens.

@TheNightowlGaming

26 күн бұрын

We can't change history but in game we can and accept the representation given to us in the games

I like him! I find him adorable haha. The only reason there is a boombastic side eye is the way he treated his army, how he would drink and beat his army. Which was shown in some of the games, not the beatings but the drinking and him being rude to them. still love him though, especially his 6 version and 9

@TheNightowlGaming

26 күн бұрын

DW6 was awesome great stories

I had no idea Zhang Fei was hated =D so good to have Dynasty Warriors coming back.

@TheNightowlGaming

25 күн бұрын

Yes it is! Excited!

He um is not my favorite 😂 great video though! Ik I’m a broken record Diaochan defender, but I can see a lot of parallels between our arguments in each characters favor.

@TheNightowlGaming

26 күн бұрын

Lol absolutely and there's nothing wrong w that!

After all these years, I had no idea there was hate for Zhang Fei.

@TheNightowlGaming

24 күн бұрын

yeah just a tad, xiahouji made it worse

I didn't even know he was hated.

@TheNightowlGaming

26 күн бұрын

Yahhh he ain't the most popular

I think most of the "hate"(strong word, dislike is better probably) for zhang fei stems from 2 things: 1. His historical appraisal is generally bad, he was a drunkard who constantly carried out extreme punishments towards his own men. 2. Shu are supposed to be the good honorable virtuous guys in contrast to wei(wu are just sitting on the side dying and losing) and then you have an alcoholic violent pdf file in their ranks, it stands out WAY more than it would in wei for example

@karabomafa5609

26 күн бұрын

Wu won more than those Gypsies on Shu lol.. and why are you associating Wei with PDF files? Wei has the most disciplined army and generals both historically and in the novel and games

@TheNightowlGaming

26 күн бұрын

I could see that, the act and label itself makes it absolutely stand out, I just dont understand why Koei decided to put it in our faces that only exacerbate the issues with Fei & Shu as a whole.. theres way to do it and handle it, I just odnt get it

Tbh i would take Zhang Fei over other forgettable characters like Bao Sanniang or Cai Wenji anyday. There seems to be a lot of hate for Shu characters recently within the community. Is it because Shu is over-glorified in the novel?

@nemesis3587

26 күн бұрын

Most likely, novel was a propoganda book. How it twisted history, they look more hypocrites. Wei gets more and more popular.

@karabomafa5609

26 күн бұрын

100%.. the more you follow the story, the more you realize that Shu was an idealogical cult, like Zhang Jiao and them

@TheNightowlGaming

26 күн бұрын

yeah its cause the way they were represented in the novel as saints, but at the end of the day DW takes perspectives from all kingdoms, so in the games there's a sense of every kingdom gets its time to shine imo

@qq5847

26 күн бұрын

@@TheNightowlGaming honestly i'm perfectly fine with the historical Shu. Nothing is perfect, even Wei and Wu have their darkside like how Wu mistreated the minorities of the south.

I never cared for him from the beginning, personally. Not my least favorite but definitely a middle of the road character. The Xiahouji thing just completely ruins him for me. Look, I get we that we can separate history from the games but it's hard to ignore it when they're clearly referencing history. They saw she was a 12 year old when she was taken and married and designed her character to be child-like and that's kinda gross. Not to mention, Zhang Fei looks kinda older in 9. Seeing them together gives off discord mod/kitten vibes. I genuinely wonder if Koei did this purposely to get us to hate him because he's just kinda the worst he's ever been in 9

@TheNightowlGaming

26 күн бұрын

Ill never understand why they put her in.. Its such a weird dynamic to watch.. hopefully they rectify it at some point

Thats the thing about our fandoms, if we're not careful we'll end up like star wars fans; and we know all how pathetic that fanfom get about characters, movies, etc. For me, I have my favorite characters, characters I use sometimes, and characters I don't because of slow speed, weapon choice etc. Some folks just forget there are way more important things to be hating on in the world other than a fictional character.

@TheNightowlGaming

26 күн бұрын

I know some fandoms get pretty toxic and DW has small moments of it but not too bad, I hope it never gets to the point where its extremely toxic

Character with many bad traits and actions in the game as well as historically gets disliked, as he should, seems to me like things are in order.

@TheNightowlGaming

26 күн бұрын

Perhaps 😎

Historically, he was not a drunk, no. Luo Guanzhong mostly added that in to diminish the fact he was historically a terrible person. Personally, I'm on the fence about all of it. I *don't* enjoy the fact Koei is diminishing the uncomfortable historical stuff to sanitize their characters. Not only for Zhang Fei, but in cases of Samurai Warriors: Spirit of Sanada where they sanitized Hideyoshi to be Chacha's "caretaker". I feel like it's a missed opportunity many times to give these characters further depth.

@TheNightowlGaming

26 күн бұрын

I could see that argument, but also I think for the games to avoid being so dark and depressing elements could be brought in but maybe from a more symbolic angle instead of flat out heres the dark history

@brendonbarr6136

26 күн бұрын

@@TheNightowlGaming I can agree with that. I just wish they would address it somehow rather than sweeping it under the rug. Xiahou Ji definitely needs to be aged up. She looks younger than her kids.

idk man, i never heard the whole ordeal of "overhated a character" coz i didnt. if theres someone i "over hated" is Ma Chao. And the reason is personaly ridiculous. But i believe maybe, just maybe, this whole naratice comes from how KOEI is too keen to draw Shu as the main protagonist, the big good faction, and make some of the chars weirdly "kind", despite their problematic individuals.

@TheNightowlGaming

26 күн бұрын

they definitely switch it up with making them the protagonists but there source materials is the same perspective so might not be there fault. However, they give each kingdom their own personal victories which shows the equality which I appreciate to see

People need to separate reality, and a game him in the game, him in real life yeah a monster, I always loved him in the games.

@strafe155

26 күн бұрын

The problem is that most of the characters in Dynasty Warriors were monsters IRL.

@TheNightowlGaming

26 күн бұрын

Love him in the games 🎮

Zhang fei is very good in combat and his supermove is so fun to use

@TheNightowlGaming

26 күн бұрын

definitely a fun moveset

I'm also really really sick of the hate. I mean, if it's one's standard to cannot like a fictional character based on their horrid historical person, then I'm sorry, we're not compatible. I reject that notion, and a lot of people here have the vibes to subtly accuse that those who liked Zhang Fei regardless must have skewed moral priorities. Like how could they like someone as horrid and rapist as him. Like, what the hell, screw that standard. Screw that to hell. Regardless, if you look at the situation at that point IN HISTORY, things get murky. During that time, both Liu Bei and Zhang Fei was in desperate situation where trying to stay as virtuous as possible is just inviting death and they had to make due to survive. So they had to resort to banditry to survive, and I doubt they liked it even if they did some questionable things. All that's known with Zhang Fei and Xiahouji is that during this period of banditry, Zhang Fei kidnapped her. For what, we do not know. They eventually had a child, but we do NOT know the content of consent, so we cannot even call it rape. Maybe after the kidnapping, they had to stick together and try to survive the turbulent times, and eventually Stockholm Syndrome kicked in or mutual respect was formed with each other so they consent in sleeping together. And it should be noted that in the era where polygamy or taking concubines were pretty much a standard, Zhang Fei never took any other mates except Xiahouji. And then if that was a child by rape, then it would paint their descendants badly. Yet Liu Shan welcomed Xiahou Ba openly and stated that they're blood brothers. So pretty much Xiahouji became a respected member of the family rather than rape object. Just because one is a loyal Wei fanboy doesn't mean they have to just overly overbloat Shu's flaws because how DARE Luo Guanzhong made a story that chimed with the people around that history period who needed some good Confucian role models and the Wei kingdom and Cao Cao's 'meritocracy' was not a good fit. Or Wu for that matter. GOD, these guys make me sick. If anything I hope they also do not touch anything related to Romance of the Three Kingdoms or anything regarding of it, not even Honor of Kings. Those kind of people need to be gate-kept or else they will annoy others. Sorry for the rant. I'm just sick of these kind of hate-obsessed people...

@TheNightowlGaming

26 күн бұрын

Definitely understand the passion, nothing wrong with that! i havent seen anyone saying that liking him means that persons morals are in question or at least not yet? The questions about how and why xiahouji was there is interesting I guess? either way its a grey area that cant be changed nor accurately detailed of what happened so all we can do is either accept the Fei in games or not, either way i dont think its a big deal the way he is in DW!

My only hate is that awful run speed. And he got offscreened until very late recent games.

@TheNightowlGaming

26 күн бұрын

agreed!

Me personally i like Zhange Fei going strictly off of romance. I'm not going off of his Dynasty Warrior depiction because personally, I don't like a lot of the depiction of the characters in Dynasty Warriors series. Many of the characters were butchered to all hell. I think everyone is a lesser version of their book and tv series counterparts. They'r more caricatures than actual characters. But zhange fei dose get a bad wrap a lot of times. But I admire his honesty and his fiery personality he doesn't care who he pisses off he's going to yell what he belives to be true.no matter what. He has the reputation of be nothing but brute, aa an idiot drunkard. However, that's just how he is at the beginning of the story the he's learns, grows and matures as the story goes on. Like sure he's brash he always is and that's probably his most redeeming qualitie. Like, when Zhang Fei lost Xu Province to Lu Bu because of his drinking and beating his own men that really effected him. Zhang Fei also most killed himself right then and there if it wasn't for his brothers stopping him. But from that point on in the story he drank responsibly. He learned his lesson. In fact later in the story in a battle with Zhang He, Zhang Fei used his reputation as a drunkard to his advantage. Pretending to get drunk even staging a beating of his own men tricking Zhang He into attack him catching Zhang He in a trap. So he's not just some mindless brute actually in the later half of the story he's quite the tactician. But when Guan Yu died that broke him he went back into all his worst vices. Drinking irresponsibly again, and beating his men in fit's of rage. Witch would eventually lead to a mutiny of his own men killing him in his sleep. It's actually quite said to see this character that we've watched go through so much growth to become a great man to then sink so low in his grief.

@TheNightowlGaming

24 күн бұрын

For sure, theres a lot of layers to him, but I think people see or take in the really bad things he did in history and mix it with the character given to us in DW

Why did I spend this entire video waiting for you to go “nah just kidding, Zhang Fei sucks” 😭 Zhang Fei has been one of my least favorite characters since I first started playing the games and before I even knew there was a historical aspect, so I think the hate he receives is justified lol. He’s obnoxiously slow, even in his attacks, and his entire personality in the game (even before they added in the drinking) is a huge turn off. He’s an arrogant hot head who is too dumb to think for a fraction of a second before jumping to attack or run his mouth and I absolutely hate being around those kinds of people - and it seems like even Liu Bei and Guan Yu barely tolerate him always hanging around in all of their scenes. Zhang Fei was just a big, angry oaf whose only purpose in the games was to be a giant liability for his beloved brothers by running his mouth and being too dang slow to run away.

@TheNightowlGaming

26 күн бұрын

LOL nahhh Zhang Fei's the man, underneath all those issues is a loyal friend & fighter willing to die for his comrades. He's that one friend who talks alot of shit, maybe bullies you a little bit, but if someone was trying to punk you would step in 😎

I think people have this "higher morale" mentality. People aren't saint to the fullest, we are all capable of doing horrible things at a drop of a hat.

@TheNightowlGaming

25 күн бұрын

Absolutely 💯

I always liked him and ever since i found out about the controversy about his character ( thanks to your channel ) i find him even more interesting, sue me

I don't hate him so much as I don't like the character trope he's designed around: the drunken master who's still badass when completely sauced. I didn't care for it when I first discovered it with Bo Rai Cho in Mortal Kombat and I haven't liked it since. As for his gameplay, that didn't click with me either. You and I have two very different preferences in play styles. I like the fast girly characters and you like the big beefy men who hit hard but aren't always fast. Is Zhang Fei over hated? Yes. Do I understand why people dislike him? Yes. Am I going to tear anyone down because they like a character I don't like? No, because I'm not an asshole. My favorite characters get regular Reddit posts about how they should be deleted from the game altogether. I don't think a single character in the game has ever gotten the amount of hate that any Shu female added after Xingcai has gotten. But that's also why I've pulled out so far from the Warriors community as a whole. Every time I'm on Reddit it's another post of people hating on this character or delete this character because they weren't historically accurate or women didn't fight or get rid of all the female officers and give us historical accurate weapons. Sir, there is a man with a feather fan shooting lightning and making tornadoes. What historical accuracy? The entire game franchise is based on a historic fanfiction that got really popular and is now a cornerstone of East Asian pop culture. I miss being able to talk about Warriors games but I don't want to have to subject myself to that kind of negativity because I don't share those views. It's a shame that a franchise so dear to my heart has developed such a hate filled community.

@TheNightowlGaming

26 күн бұрын

i dont think its that bad yet, Reddit is probably the most toxic, but here on YT it seems chill and everyone seems to respect others opinions & yes characters with Big AOE styles are my faves 😎

@uraninezak

26 күн бұрын

Come over to the dark side, become a Daqiao main 🪭

@TheNightowlGaming

26 күн бұрын

@@uraninezak

For me personally, I'm more neutral towards Zhang Fei since the only time I did like him was the time when my brother used him in WO3 and that's it but he's just fine to me since I do like his energy in the games

@TheNightowlGaming

26 күн бұрын

Nice!

I understand the hate though, his historical counterpart was pretty damn horrible, being an abusive drunk and kidnapping a little girl then marrying her definitely doesn't do him any favors. But the game toned his character down quite a bit. He's okay I can understand why people like him and why people hate his guts.

@TheNightowlGaming

26 күн бұрын

definitely can understand both sides

I love playing Ma Chao and embracing my inner war criminal

@TheNightowlGaming

11 күн бұрын

Haha nice 😎

Zhang Fei was always my favorite for the Shu kingdom because he was always the realist and a good moveset to me

@TheNightowlGaming

26 күн бұрын

Nice!

Was taking a shit while I watched this and it's like who cares Zhang Fei is a fun character in the games and that's all that really matters

@TheNightowlGaming

26 күн бұрын

😎😎😎

I'm not gonna lie. he's trash in the game , too. The only thing he has for me is the bridge and peach garden. Im not a fan, but im not gonna be on the internet complaining his moveset is legendary. And actually, like him being a drunk, and they should add it to his moveset 😂 but I like Cao Cao and Fa zheng sooooooo my opinion sucks.

if koei can makes some female characters look younger, they should been able to make make xiahou ji looks older at least. on perspective that DW is historically inspired fantasy. people throwing fire left and right. What's wrong to be historically inaccurate? why can they change xiahou ji's age and make the zhang fei couple appropriate to their age. like sima yi and zhang chunhua, sun quan and lianshi, zhuge liang and yueying, cao pi and zhenji, guan suo and bao sanniang, maybe lu bu and diao chan & meng huo and zhurong. and then there is sun ce and da qiao, zhou yu and xiao qiao that seems like adults marrying minors. Liu bei and sun shangxiang used to look weird until they age down liu bei on appearance. also they rewrite sun shangxiang's age. She should not appear in yellow turban rebellion campaign historically.

@TheNightowlGaming

26 күн бұрын

Exactly, if you're gonna include her, change her! Her scenes with her "children" is just... no.

Yeah dude! I was always confused by it. Like…he’s okay? He’s strong and fun to play as!

@TheNightowlGaming

26 күн бұрын

definitely a good moveset!

I just don’t like arrogant brutes 😭

Loved this video!!

@TheNightowlGaming

26 күн бұрын

Glad you liked it!!

I didn’t like zhang fei just because he was the worst when the other shu alternatives at the start are liu bei and guan yu. So outclassed smh

@TheNightowlGaming

26 күн бұрын

I could understand that

Be like me : play map games like Crusader Kings with a Three Kingdom mod or RTKO and make those unpopular characters better.

@TheNightowlGaming

24 күн бұрын

Niceee

Ok now do a lu bu is overrated video… cuz he is lmfaoooo.

@TheNightowlGaming

26 күн бұрын

😎😎

What's wrong with being a drunk? 😤 Funnily enough in the Romance of the Three Kingdoms Guan Yu is actually extremely arrogant and causes a lot more trouble than Zhang Fei 😂 Guan Yu rejected a marriage proposal for Sun Quan's son for Guan Yu's daughter and I believe his response was "how could the daughter of a Tiger marry the son of a dog?" Which is the justification Wu used to attack him at Fan Castle 😂 Zhang Fei was more of a loveable scamp 🤣 he was still a drunk in RotK (not that there's anything wrong with that 😤) but he's just very impulsive 😂 I don't know if the real Zhang Fei was a drunk but I still think the various scenes of him at Changban are awesome 😎 love the video Owl as always 💜

@TheNightowlGaming

25 күн бұрын

lol thats crazy, I forgot Guan Yu said taht and its so ironic he said tiger and called them a dog lmao

@lovinit203

25 күн бұрын

@@TheNightowlGaming I suspect he was still riding the high of being one of the 5 Tiger Generals lol

Not enough contribution to the series. He's just side character at most in every arc

@TheNightowlGaming

26 күн бұрын

for sure, he's got his moments though

As much as I hate historical shu in particular, dynasty warriors is literally a fantastical story where everyone is a super human 1 man warrior lol. Though I'll say that my favorite piece of 3 kingdoms media while always he Ravages Of Time, just because they do a lot of cool things with the characters. Zhang Fei for instance, is actually more of a genius bruiser. He's still bombastic, and over the top aggressive, and a Hella big drunk. However, Zhang fei intentionally plays up his idiotic, berserker nature so people underestimate him. He's actually Liu bei's strategist early in the story and is essential to a lot of Liu Beis early early succes. Is it historically accurate? HELL NO. but it's cool as hell lol

@TheNightowlGaming

24 күн бұрын

thats sounds cool af

I used to like Zhang Fei which he almost looks like my late lolo, but as soon as I know his history, I was like... Wow, no wonder he's so controversial O_O

@strafe155

26 күн бұрын

Hell, Gan Ning was essentially a serial killer IRL.

@NoelJohnCarlo

26 күн бұрын

@@strafe155 Awww, and I used to think Gan Ning was cool when I first saw and play as him on Dynasty Warriors Strikeforce :(

@TheNightowlGaming

26 күн бұрын

Super controversial, but I enjoy him in game he's dope

I have conflicted feeling about him. I like his bad ass side but holy sh*t, this dude is annoying in a lot of campaign if you are not playing as shu. Even when i play as Shu i can't not to think that this dude is an idi*t. Head first into trouble without thinking

@TheNightowlGaming

25 күн бұрын

definitely makes things interesting lol!

@AlifyaNursukmaForicha

25 күн бұрын

​@@TheNightowlGaming Not gonna lie from the three brothers i like Zhang Fei the most, because Liu Bei and Guan Yu is too boring in my opinion. But, i just can't with him. i always rolled my eyes when i see him appears mid battle. He is that annoying

I just never likes his design really. Found his face very punchable and just annoying more than anything. Dont know anything at all about his historical history. But his moveset is all righr and hes strong in game so theres that. Fun fact when i learned of loved one or sworn sibling death scene in 7 empires, guess who i made sire was the one dying to unlock that scene lol

I named my youngest middle name after Keijiro Maeda.

@TheNightowlGaming

24 күн бұрын

Nice!

As someone who hates 90% Shu... Good video, but still hate him...and most of Shu. #TeamWei

@TheNightowlGaming

26 күн бұрын

Haha appreciate ut! I love Wei too 👀😁

@aiquangat8620

7 күн бұрын

I've been through that phase before. Now i'm neutral on all 3 kingdoms.

I honestly don’t like his character because I dislike when people drink as much as him

@TheNightowlGaming

26 күн бұрын

thats fair!

He's not really a bad character in a vacuum, it's just the other characters around him that way better.

@TheNightowlGaming

20 күн бұрын

Truee

YOU might like him but that doesn't mean I or anyone else have to and nothing you say will change folks mind.

@TheNightowlGaming

26 күн бұрын

And you are absolutely correct! and thats ok!

As Zhang Fei fan, like the history Zhang Fei and the romance Zhang Fei, I love the title.

@TheNightowlGaming

14 күн бұрын

@@flipperflapper6682

Zhang Fei: I'm the grumpy old troll, who guards over the bridge, hey! I'm the grumpy old troll, who guards over the bridge. Who's there?! If you wanna come over, all you have to do is this. All you have to do is this...TASTE MY BLADE!!!

@TheNightowlGaming

23 күн бұрын

thats from somewhere... Dora? LMAO

@ninjabee8973

23 күн бұрын

@@TheNightowlGaming Yea 🤣🤣🤣, I just realized that the grumpy old troll looked just like Zhang Fei

I mentioned a few times how DW7 has good story cutscenes and character depiction, chemistry. I think that Zhang Fei is the best one compared to the other titles.

@TheNightowlGaming

25 күн бұрын

DW7 does have a great story!

One problem Zhang Fei has is he is kind of that 3rd guy as well. If you like Liu Bei, you are going to like him and who on earth is going to pick Guan Yu over Zhang Fei on average. He is just kind of the 3rd wheel often

@TheNightowlGaming

11 күн бұрын

yeah I can see that, still has some good moments though

Zhang FEI has been part of my top 3 since dw2 came out. Screw ya haters 😂

@TheNightowlGaming

24 күн бұрын

haha lets goo!!

I hate the Real Life Zhang Fei but adore the DW one!

@TheNightowlGaming

26 күн бұрын

thats the important part! DW zhang fei is who we like!

I've been a die hard dynasty warrior fan, i don't know why people hate zhang fei in the first place

@TheNightowlGaming

17 күн бұрын

cause of history

Zhang Fei is a great character because he is complex, and feeds into the grey erea morale structure of the three kingdoms. His brashness and overall affect is a great story point for the story as a whole. Stops Shu from becoming too sickly sweet

@TheNightowlGaming

17 күн бұрын

yeah he provides some roughness

Cao Cao told his entire army to not fight Zhang Fei because of how much his brother Guan Yu gassed him up 🗣️ (campaign against Yuan Shao)

@TheNightowlGaming

25 күн бұрын

💥💥💥

I like Zhang Fei buuuuuut the new voice is tough to get behind

@TheNightowlGaming

26 күн бұрын

its a little rough for sure

xiahouji incident rub me the wrong way. bro is graping a minor like a mountain bandit.

@TheNightowlGaming

18 күн бұрын

uhmm.. well... you.. she needs to be removed or changed thats for sure

I’m not. Boo green team :p

@TheNightowlGaming

26 күн бұрын

😁😎

If DUI existed in Han dynasty would you think he will be arrest for riding a horse hehe. tbh I start playing him around DW7 and WO3 because of that musou and Xing Cai keep on talking about his drinking habit, and one big reason is the flying cloud BGM. Yes I skip him in the entirely DW2-6, mainly because he's fat and not handsome (pls, there was an era where I only play female characters lmao, for like a year). But I don't think I hate him or felling annoyed when playing a battle that has him, he's just not my type back then. After that I start to play more male character (not every1, due to my personal preference like Guan Ping, Zhou Yu, Cow Pee. I was picky back then, not even Lu Bu is on my list. And besides Zhang Fei there're also characters that I have the same feeling to not play them like Xu Zhu, Yoshimoto. But like after many years playing this game I was like, yeah maybe give this guy a chance and then I play him, on the other hand my other characters are max lv so I play Zhang Fei. Lots of reason for me from being not favorite Zhang Fei (and the underrated characters) to enjoy playing him. I think this 20 years journney is a quite unique experience for a koei fan. Now, does he is #1 on my ranking list? Hell no, He's still at the bottom lmao. But I would say I love him and enjoy him. Just give me Zhang Fei and maybe I can win you in DW4 1v1 mode. Along with Xu Zhu, Dong Zhuo, Yuan Shao, Zhang Jiao, Yoshimoto and the other least famous character. I grow to love them all thru time. I've just go back to DW5 and find him his 4th weapon in 2023 (which I should've done like ages ago) but I don't feel any regret. And that's Koei's Zhang Fei, and the historical Zhang Fei, hmmm I would also say he's the bottom on my ranking list still. Believe me, dealing with drunk, alcoholic ppl is the worst, and hot tempered (that leads to bad decisions) ppl is nothing better. I feel like if I'm serving under him, he would yell at me all day and not listen to my words. And that's all, I dont wanna talk too much about history. But either way Zhang Fei's fine to me. He could be a good friend, I feel like I could hang out with him once in a while, but a close friend or a husband, nah.

@TheNightowlGaming

26 күн бұрын

And there's nothing wrong with that, 20 years of loving the series, opinions are bound to change and that's ok!

@leejimmy9679

26 күн бұрын

@@TheNightowlGaming yeah, this is not some1 just like randomly play 1 DW game and leaves after finish the story mode can never experience. It literally takes me 20 years to feel okay around him. tbh if DW7 doesnt have flying cloud and that "come and get it" musou, I still havent touched him yet, and like I said I play this game too damn much so my other characters are max level, and Zhang Fei is like the only 5 left are level 1 so I gave him the chance. I did him dirty but at least I did him haha

I don't know why you feel a need to make a whole video to defend Zhang Fei, just like you said, people can hate or love him, does not change any history or anyone perspective. However, I am just wondering is his online hate that big that warrant a video to defend him?

@TheNightowlGaming

26 күн бұрын

The vid was just to put out for content & discussion, not necessarily to defend 😁 the hate isn't excessive its just an interesting talking point, he is the most controversial character in the game imo though

@hannguyen2652

25 күн бұрын

@@TheNightowlGaming Thank you for your reply. In my case, I love using him in-game because of his move and high damage. His image that is portraited in-game and history can be controversial. He is a proud, loyal, and passionate man, but he let his passion and pride drive his action so his action can usually be reckless.

I hated Zhang Fei from DW2 onwards, cause he didn't have enough horizonal sweeping attacks compared to Guan Yu or Zhao Yun.

@TheNightowlGaming

18 күн бұрын

more of a brutish moveset !

I love DW and it got me into the book and then reading up their historical counterparts. I think when people play a game based on historical fiction then they read up about the real historical people. They (well me at least) gravitated to the historically accurate info about the characters. After that i really disliked Zhang Fei and he's my least picked character.

@TheNightowlGaming

23 күн бұрын

Yeah that makes sense, hopefully people can realize the difference that Fei in the games in completely different from history

He's my favorite out of him Guan Yu

@TheNightowlGaming

25 күн бұрын

Nice!

I never hated the guy he's very fun.

@TheNightowlGaming

26 күн бұрын

Great moveset for sure

have always had a crush on him despite his shitty antics. Just thought he was nice and loving under that all that painfully rough exterior

@TheNightowlGaming

21 күн бұрын

He is, in the games lol

“I beat the enemy general”

@TheNightowlGaming

18 күн бұрын

😎

I didn't know there was community hate for him. He's a top tier for me. Adding the wife is questionable, but according to the wiki, her in-game is 30... which is also questionable, but whatever. Who's actually playing 9 anyway lol

@TheNightowlGaming

25 күн бұрын

in game is def not 30.. they need to remake her to look 30, xingcai looks older than her, but yeah some ppl really hate him

Another character I feel is overhated is Bao Sanniang. While she's not that great of a character, other female characters with a husband basically simp all over them (Looking at both of ya, SSX and Zhenji).

@TheNightowlGaming

11 күн бұрын

haah for sure, good points!

he is actually one of my 5 favorites in Shu the others are Zhang Ni Huo Yi Dong Yune and Fu Qian, and aside from Zhang Fei none of them are even in DW i tolerate Jiang Wei but most of the guys from Shu are actually lacking in my eyes

@TheNightowlGaming

26 күн бұрын

thats awesome!

@Suleiman2000

26 күн бұрын

@TheNightowlGaming yes, and Dong Yun is the best he's like Zhuge Liang, but in domestic affairs, even Liu Chan fears him when he was alive, Huang Hao was scared to even go to the courtroom

Please make a video on Jiang Wei, my boy is so overhated when he's one of my favourite. It doesn't help that the English translation kinda made him annoying.

@TheNightowlGaming

21 күн бұрын

I can see that haha!

I’m tired too. All the Shu characters are quite… intense but Fei is more simple and that is refreshing As to his novel and historical counterparts. The book version im very indifferent to hes very inconsistent in that but still impossible to the plot. Historical is different he was a terrible person (though ironically one of Liu Bei’s best generals in terms of tactics) but like his relationship with Lady Xiahou? If that’s really bothering you i need that energy for the Sima bros and dad cuz same thing! His murderous tendencies i need you to show that same disdain to ppl like Gan Ning, or Sima Yi.

@TheNightowlGaming

14 күн бұрын

@@tonys9397 everyone looked at with a certain lens and you'll find some kit good things about them

Same I’m also very tired of the hate

@TheNightowlGaming

24 күн бұрын

@@SeanAnch0r lol this guy 😂😎

I hate shu can we have a video about why shu is hated?

@karabomafa5609

26 күн бұрын

I love this idea😂

@ninjareema9803

26 күн бұрын

@@karabomafa5609 I hate shu because my loyalty gose to wu and also shu is always treated as the good guys wu as traitors and wei as the bad guys 😂😂😂 Long live wu and the sun family !!

@ninjareema9803

26 күн бұрын

@@karabomafa5609 glad you love it 😂

@TheNightowlGaming

26 күн бұрын

👀

@ninjareema9803

26 күн бұрын

@@TheNightowlGamingthank you for your videos my fav charcter is Lu xun

I'm not a big fan of Yide, but i don't hate him neither. If anything i'd hate Jiang Wei from the Shu faction instead.

@TheNightowlGaming

23 күн бұрын

Thats understandable, everyones got their hated characters

Zhang Fei is my second favorite brother. Guan Yu of course is number 1.

@TheNightowlGaming

25 күн бұрын

Nice!

It doesnt make sense people hate zhang fei using modern standart i mean this era anything can happen. And also FICTIONAL just enjoy the game👺

@TheNightowlGaming

20 күн бұрын

100%

I dont really like zang fe not because of history but he is just not my type of character, he is just 2 characters above lu bu which is my most hated character

@TheNightowlGaming

18 күн бұрын

interesting!

@filialuvssquigly7447

18 күн бұрын

@TheNightowlGaming yeah as a character in the games I don't feel like he is bad he is just not my type, I'm not into big slow tank characters not just in warriors but any game I give up power for speed always. Lu bu on the on hand there is nothing I like about that dood. But that being said I have watch 3 or 4 of you videos now and you are saying people's hate for zhang fei is excessive but don't feel your hate for xiahoji is? I want to say 2 of the 4 videos I have watched has you hating all over the poor girl I honestly see no problem with her.

History aside and child bride not withstanding… he may still be my least favorite character. He is just a big obnoxious guy and I don’t enjoy his personality… He was a drunk in history though. He would get drunk and beat his men. Caused his own death. I just don’t like Shu in general. Only Fa Zheng, Ma Chao, Wei Yan, and Zhao Yun are any good (I like Liu Bei 6-8. He actually has that charisma)

@Atom523

27 күн бұрын

To be fair, historically he wasn't a drunk, that might make it worse as he did still beat his soldiers severely for infractions. He did get drunk on the occasion that he died but he wasn't actually known to be a drunk, unlike Sun Quan who was known to get drunk and pick on his subordinates a lot, though not by beating them. Not saying that you should like him, just that the being a drunk was from the novel. I am surprised that you like Fa Zheng who was a serial killer who once he gained power under Liu Bei went around murdering people who pissed him off in the past. He was just so brilliant that when people complained to Zhuge Liang nothing was done because Liu Bei liked him so much.

@HighPriestFuneral

27 күн бұрын

@@Atom523 Serial killer is a bit far...? Where did you get that?

@Atom523

27 күн бұрын

@HighPriestFuneral in Fa Zheng's historical bio it mentions that after Liu Bei took over Yi province, he made Fa Zheng one of the most powerful people. Fa Zheng took advantage of this by going around and straight up murdering a bunch of people who had angered him in the past. Several officials complained to Zhuge Liang, who said that there was nothing he could do as Fa Zheng was Liu Bei's favorite.

@djn6962

26 күн бұрын

@@Atom523saying he wasn’t historically a drinker, when historical accounts of his abuses were tied to drinking (an activity that was not just common, but even popular throughout ancient china) is maybe a bit too presumptuous. While historical records are unlikely to list “alcoholism” in his appraisal, as such issues was likely not even considered. Drinking straight water was normally unsafe, resulting in drinking tea or wine usually. This is true across the entire world, where even into the mid 1700s the average people were drinking copious amounts of alcohol. It was during this time that china finally tried to crack down on drinking. So it is very likely and safe to believe that Zhang Fei did enjoy drinking, as did many of his contemporaries, and likely overindulged. It’s not as if the novel made this up out of thin air, and is more than likely rooted in some history or tales.

@HighPriestFuneral

26 күн бұрын

@@Atom523 I thought that was what you were referring to. He always repaid those who had done him right and wrong, leading to the death of several people. That's true. I don't see how that makes him a serial killer though. It makes him a petty corrupt man, to be sure.

Who would the right mind would hate Zhang Fei He's a great character I mean yeah he does have temperament issues because of his assensive drinking and he does seem to hate most people especially lubu

@TheNightowlGaming

26 күн бұрын

People dislike him mainly cause of history but in game he's awesome

I find the Zhang fei hate hypocritical when fans love Cao Cao. Historical Cao Cao was very cruel in Chinese culture calling someone a Cao Cao is an insult 😂

@TheNightowlGaming

20 күн бұрын

lol yah it is what it is

Nah, kidnapped a 14 years old kid, forcing her to be his wife aka r@pe, is already a no no for me, game or not this kinda hate go though time so it on game too

@historian252

26 күн бұрын

So do you hate Cao Cao for basically being far worse than Zhang Fei as he massacred cities quite regularly and even tried to force Zhanh xiu's aunt to have sex with him which led to Cao Ang, Cao Anmin and Dian Wei's deaths.

@TheNightowlGaming

26 күн бұрын

For sure, but if you look thru that lens I'm sure some of your fave characters have done some heinous things...

Flack hes given not slack

@TheNightowlGaming

26 күн бұрын

cause of his history yah

I think he is one dimensional, i dont hate him tho

@TheNightowlGaming

19 күн бұрын

I can see that!

for me Zhang Fei is the same thing as Xu Zhu, I don't hate zhang fei as character in game, not big fan of him but don't hate him, he is ok character to play and can be fun, as historical character he is pile of dog shit as for Xu Zhu I hate him in game, I skip him every time, I just don't like him but as historical character I think he is ok

@TheNightowlGaming

23 күн бұрын

that makes sense

Tbf in RoTK he’s that one fan fiction character (Yea RoTK is historical fan fiction let’s be honest) that is a dick all the time, fucks everything up constantly and other than the odd “Oh you naughty boy” slap on the wrist no one ever actually confronts him over it he’s still seen as a hero and everything he does is portrayed as ultimately justified even if inappropriate. Game wise in a trio consisting of three characters with no real personality he still manages to have the least personality of the group

@TheNightowlGaming

26 күн бұрын

Yeah i could see those points