Many people mentioned that in the Model 3 vs ID4 tests, the ID4 didn't go to the same starting position. My only explanation to that is that I didn't keep 100 % full left turn with ID4 all the time. A small mistake by me then. I think it did go to the exact position on the 1st test vs the e-Up.

@mho0

3 жыл бұрын

@@Magnitio1 Are you sure you are not mixing radius and circle :)

@solkraft300

3 жыл бұрын

But at the second turn, it ended at the same place tho.

Very obvious that the director of VW Norway is a man who really understands good marketing and the benefits he gives VW by making a video with Bjørn about the ID4. Not only does he let Bjørn make a video about the car, but he actually joins him. A very clever move.

@mastergool

3 жыл бұрын

Indeed. That's also possible because VW boss is confident about the car. Pretty sure VW designed the MEB based on Tesla owner survey and be good where Tesla isn't as much as possible

@scratchy996

3 жыл бұрын

His English accent also sounds exactly like Rufus' form Norsemen :)

@emmanuelm361

3 жыл бұрын

My thoughts exactly, it is also a more "human" approach showing that upper management cares about their business.

@jasonblair4057

3 жыл бұрын

This is a fantastic move. Making the company look more accessible and playing on the people’s car vibe. The marketing team needs a pat on the shoulder for this one.

VW already completed the tightest U-turn in automotive history when they went from Dieselgate to the MEB platform.

@notoppland

3 жыл бұрын

😂😂

@Scorpion7substance

3 жыл бұрын

😉

@patrickgass5707

3 жыл бұрын

Your very naïve. You should worry about gasoline emissions which are far more dangerous because their particules are much much smaller than the one for diesel cars and can therefore get much deaper in you lungs and potentially into you blood. By the way don’t believe that other car makers did not twist their emission results. They were just lucky not being taken.

@mravecsk1

3 жыл бұрын

@@patrickgass5707 It was a joke ffs.

@nickel36

3 жыл бұрын

@@patrickgass5707 you're* He wasn't making a comment about gasoline at all. He's simply talking about their public imagine transition.

Very impressive. A comparison with the AWD version when it comes out will be interesting

@CJ-bg9wk

3 жыл бұрын

You got it

These are nice tests. Many reviews don't cover this.

Impressive turning circle for quite a big 🚘like ID4 Well done VW👍

Ahh. I remember the rear wheel drive Beetles I used to own. I always thought all cars should be like that. Having said that, though, my favourite car in all those you tested is one that's no longer available, and never was in my country, the e-up! There's something about the simplicity, the regular hand brake, and the practicality that I appreciate.

Great sheeeeet, this should become one of your basic standard test for all cars now

Amazing! Nice way of showing the difference!

I like how you demonstrated the circle of the Model 3 against the ID4 using the parking lot lines as markers. Smart!

Nice depth of field from the lense. Very clean picture. Best regards from Egypt

@bjornnyland

3 жыл бұрын

Canon 6D Mark II and Sigma 20mm f/1.4 DG HSM Art :)

Please do more of these tests!

By the way, the id4 looks amazing at night 😍

Cool demo. Liked the video overlay - really brings it home.

Tight turning radius and round steering wheel, these are things that makes a daily a joy to use in tight city streets, something Tesla doesn't get...... Oh and the ability to go from drive to reverse and back to drive again quickly when you're trying to do U turns.

@Frank71

3 жыл бұрын

U turns arn't the issues, you can go around block In place of a u turn. Tight turning radius is more important in backing a trailer or backing a long vehicle...Semi truck or a coach bus. A Car not really. That car is so small, you not need to cut the wheel as much as the the larger VW to turn the same. It's counter intuitive, but it makes sense. that row of single car garage behind him. Be easier to park a trailer in those garage spots with the ID4 without pulling forward and a smaller car but does not cut the tires as well

That's a great test, never thought about that!

Bjorn awesome 😎 way to demonstrate and compare turning radius

Model Y also has a bad turning radius. When I try to make a 3 point turns, I feel like I am in control of the evergreen ship that stuck on the suez canal. But still, I would choose the Tesla over ID4 :)

@essaunders

3 жыл бұрын

Yep. Getting my model y to make the turn into my garage is tricky. Much harder than my 07 Prius that it replaced. I think it’s about 3’ worse.

I've always wanted to know of the turning circles of these cars! thanks!

ID4 range test was very good! I am just dying to see the 1000km challenge or Arctic Circle trip. Remember to ABC and have a wonderful weekend.

I drive an id.3 and I will have serious difficulty getting used to not having that crazy good turning circle. I’m glad id.4 has that too because then it’s a good alternative when switch is coming. Before id3 I didn’t care about this but now I will consider this when checking out for example Hyundai’s and Kias and it will actually matter when I choose car. Weird.

Great test! Correct me if I'm wrong, i'm a noob: i feel like another disavantage of FWD is that when accelerating hard you have less adherance, even with pretty good tires (exemple e208 with Primacy 4)

@MarwanRashad

3 жыл бұрын

That is true. Very generally speaking almost all FWD cars with decent power will spin the front wheels when accelerating hard from standstill. This is due to the fact that the weight of the car shifts backwards to the back wheels when accelerating, reducing the pressure on the front wheels and therefore causing the front tires to lose grip.

@Hellgreen

3 жыл бұрын

It’s true. I have a Honda e (RWD) and my sister a Nissan Leaf (FWD) big difference.

@radbaron

3 жыл бұрын

That seems to be the biggest complaint I've heard about the Kona and the e-Niro , spinning up the front tires if you use heavy acceleration.

@Joesolo13

3 жыл бұрын

Indeed. I think we're liking to slowly see EVs return to a RWD layout by default, with AWD an option for some.

@robertkwalz

Жыл бұрын

RWD is how God intended cars to be, slow or fast, RWD is perfection. Everything else is a fall from Grace. It is written in the holy documents of all major religions and verified by science.

Holy shit!! VW really hit a home run with with the ID4

Impressive... I would like that in my Model 3 Performance

Overlay was pretty saviiiiiit Bjørn, I feel that my M3 requires a bit more turning to park in the garage compared to the Kia Soul I had before

Very cool comparison. My first car was a Volvo 240 station wagon that I inherited from my dad, it had the craziest turning circle for a huge long car (RWD), and I feel this has been a neglected point ever since. Especially my first Model S was super disappointing in 2014, it was a RWD too, so no reason not to give some proper turning angle. Just, probably, Americans have lots of space so this is not on their radar. AWD or FWD cars can use the excuse that the drive shaft joints can't handle more angle, but I'm sure it can be done if the manufacturers are willing. It's such an important feature to the car's nimbleness and practicality, when parking, turning and many other manouvers. Kudos to VW for putting effort into this, and well done Harald for making a point of it. (Also very cool to see Bjørn sparring with top level executives!)

Great test.

Just got an ID4 and this turning radius really surprised me.

At least the Enyaq will come in AWD - so i believe the ID.4 will come too in AWD - good to see, that VW took the effort to optimize the steering for RWD Models

Awsome! 🏎

I tried it also with the Id3! That’s amazing!!! But don’t forget the id4 is not a 4WD. Could be different....

Have you measured the turning cicles? Because in some tests, with measurement the Tesla M3 has turning circle around 12,2m nearly half a meter bigger than you showed in your video. In the city this would be a big difference. I drive a car with 12,2 m, and it is horrible in side and back streets. With the ID.3 i have tested it was relaxing to drive in such narrow streets.

Very good video 🤙🏻

Cool test! Could you do the same with an e-tron SUV vs. an e-tron GT with and without 4 wheel steering?

Looking forward to the RWD video, nice idea. If you can please comment about strong regen on slippery roads. Is it better to lower it for RWD, more than for FWD?

How’s the rear window visibility for you? I found that the rear passenger headrests are blocking some space there. Wish there’s a constant live rear view screen to compensate that.

I wonder if the tighter turning radius increases the chance of a spin-out. I drive a 370z, and I know that the space between the wheels is a specific ratio so the car can stabilize itself after a drift which has saved me countless times

That's impressive!

Very interesting video!

Great work Bjørn. Still, AWD is without any doubt the future for the automotive. More mobility, safety and opportunities for innovation. Take care and have fun ✌️

I'm warming up to this id3.

2016 Prius (similar length and wheelbase to ID4) also has turning circle of 10.2m and it's FWD - The e-Up has quite a large turning circle for such a small car

I've always missed the better turning radius of my Subaru on my model 3 sr+. I would appreciate a better radius on Tesla's in the future

Try the Twingo ZE. It has an even smaller turning circle.

It is one of the advantages of a RWD

My volvo 960 wagon which is quite long also has an impressive turning circle. Much smaller than my E-golf.

The Hummer SUV with 4WS has a turning circle of 10.7 meters which is very close to the Model 3. A tight turning circle is a great thing to have.

My Mazda 6 has like 50 meter turning circle 🤣

A nice visualization would be a drone shot from above and make the overlay.

@bjornnyland

3 жыл бұрын

Drone rules in Norway has become super strict. And you have to fly at least 50 m away from roads or any cars...

@Speeder84XL

3 жыл бұрын

@@bjornnyland I'm not surpriced, since speed limits are also the worst (lowest) in the whole Europe - then people are put into jail, for speeding like 50 km/h over those limits and driver license may be revoked for lifetime - even on freeways!!. Politicians is out of their mind over there and that same mentality of course affect more things than just driving. I feel bad for many of you people living there...

@nickel36

3 жыл бұрын

@@Speeder84XL are you saying you drive 50km/h over the speed limit? That's insane dude.

@Speeder84XL

3 жыл бұрын

@roz bi No, I think it's the same. Either way - the speed limits in perfect conditions (summer, dry roads) is like 100-110 km/h on wide open freeways and 60 on most country roads (if there is any difference, that just means it's even worse when conditions are poor)

@Speeder84XL

3 жыл бұрын

@@nickel36 ​ LOL! Insane - maybe if you do it in a residential area or if you do it in a snow storm. But, if you think 50 km/h over the limit in normal conditions and low traffic, is "insanely fast" on a freeway, dual carrage way or most country roads, you probably suck at driving... (Especially with Norwegian speed limits, haha)

A short turning radius is a big deal in crowded cities like San Francisco and much of urban Europe, as is the length of the car, both in parallel parking and as store parking lots are restriped to narrower parking. A wider track and shorter front-rear wheelbase allows tighter turning, as also does the max angle of the front wheels. One downside is that a shorter wheelbase, as in small 4WD (Jeep Wrangler, Suzuki Samarai), gives a more rocking-horse ride on interstates. A few cars had rear wheels which turned a bit, to allow both tighter turns and crabbing sideways at higher speeds, but seem to have disappeared, probably because the added complexity and cost wasn't worth the slight value.

4:00 onwards: I wonder where the noise while driving comes from, it can be heard in the Model 3 and ID4, it sounds like their wheels are scraping

Enyaq got 9.3 turning diameter. Significantly less, than an E-up or ID4. Have you tested it?

Is it possible to connect a usb chromecast to the usb mini in fornt of the car and stream all video content and netflix movies from your phone in id 4 or enyaq?

Wow not kidding around about the turning radius. Activate Gran-Turismo Ghost Mode. Nice visualization

Time to be called VW Bjorn! :)

need a column in your Excel spreadsheet - turning circle for each car tested.. I've just tried mustang mach-e awd, and man - I could not park in my EU underground parking space if all other cars were parked next to my spot!

Super videoer Bjørn, jeg bliver mere og mere hooked på at købe den nye ID4 😎🇩🇰

@aldovirooo

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah it is a great buy if you want to have to go to the service center to have a software upgrade.

@allannielsen1546

3 жыл бұрын

@@aldovirooo Just got an ID.4 Max two weeks ago - it was delivered with the latest software that enables OTA updates. Please don't spread false information.

@andersrasmussen1985

3 жыл бұрын

@@allannielsen1546 Fedt, er du glad for den lever den op til sine forventninger 😁

There should be more cars with rear wheel steering. Good for the turning circle and for a better stability on the road

It's realls good, but it will be intresting when you would compare this in the feature mit an EQS. It has four wheel steering.

As far as I know, Skoda Enyaq iv80 turning circle is even better (9.3m). I own one, and I can say that it's a very useful feature, especially for a large car like this.

The ID4 only doesnt return to the beginning point. Is that because of the RWD?

If you want a 8.6m turning circle, try the twingo electric quite amazing 🤓

@cristinacatu3307

Жыл бұрын

Had no idea they still make the Twingo. It's a great looking car with excellent visibility, too bad it's not more popular.

I saw an id4 on the road today. The wheels looked humongous.

any word from Kia, will you have EV6 exclusive reviews maybe?

Casually mentioning the director of Volkswagen of Norway.

Somehow the VW didn't get back to the original position after the first turn, which makes the subsequent overlay comparison a little inaccurate.

The ID4 looks kinda thiccccc, very nice :D

Hello Bjorn. When you ll have The MB EQS?

@kevinistalking

3 жыл бұрын

I almost forgot diesel gate. Very clever VW. Very clever

I think that more rotation on the wheels may mean weaker suspension.

Curious on seeing the ID.4 and Ioniq 5 compared!

@paco9713

3 жыл бұрын

Me too

@edgy21

3 жыл бұрын

The wheelbase of Ioniq 5 is longer than ID4's, meaning it will have a worst turning radius,

@sethlievense8371

3 жыл бұрын

@@edgy21 Thanks. By much? Wonder about all the other specs too.

@MilodeVries

3 жыл бұрын

Range will prob be better, Hyundai already beat tesla with the ioniq OG, with a fossil car platform. And, they fixed the one thing keeping the 2nd gen ioniq from scoring well on the 1000km test: charging speed. 10-80 in 18min is about as fast as tesla, I think they have a good chance to win the 1000km crown.

What's that noise Bjorn with ID.4 sounds like rubbing on full lock?

You should check the LEVC. I tested ist last week. I was incredibly impressed. Much smaller then the ID4.

@Marlow925

3 жыл бұрын

The LEVC has a specially designed linkage to achieve a tight turning circle. It's an intended feature, so that they can do U-turns on Londons streets. Taxi (and Van) must have.

Wendekreis for the win!

You should have taken the Mitsubishi iMiev in the test also. That is an easy car to drive in city trafick.

Wish you had the Honda E for this with its sub 5 metre turning circle, but still the bigger the car the more impressive a small turning circle appears.

In urban driving, turning radius is one of the most important considerations when car-shopping. Much more important than horsepower, which is what everyone focuses on. It’s too bad people overlook this.

I think the Honda e have an even tighter turning circle.

The Id 4 moved off the white line taking a Wider Turn but The tesla Maintained its original position

I noticed that too when driving our Model 3 compared to our Skoda Octavia. The 3 has a too wide radius in my opinion. Why do you think Tesla has chosen this? Cost reduction because its more complex?

@mastergool

3 жыл бұрын

I have an Octavia combi and it turns / park way better than my previous smaller car (Alfa 147).

@Hellgreen

3 жыл бұрын

I think part of it is they are American. The roads are bigger, everything are bigger compared to the rest of the world. Also most of the Tesla’s are AWD you always lose radius. Exception would be EVs that has motor hubs in the individual wheels.

@soulfinderz

3 жыл бұрын

All wheel drive and high torque. Too much angle kills the axle joint

@felixmuller9255

3 жыл бұрын

@@AndrewSienx thanks for the explanation guys.

4:45 5:16 for some strange reason the ID.4 does not return to the start point!

@leonelgouveia7573

3 жыл бұрын

I noticed that too ! If I had to take a gues I would say it is because at those crazy wheel angles the lateral slippage of the wheels is severe because of a large deviation from the ideal turning angle due to the imperfect (non linear) steering mechanism

@Hecxa

3 жыл бұрын

It does it after the first round when wheels and suspension have "stabilised".

Please try to recreate this test when you review the 4wd variant. Additionally, it seems to me that the second motor is the fly in the ointment (efficiency-wise) for all legacy auto EVs; EQC, eTron, iPace, plus the Polestar. Perhaps this is why the Koreans make efficient EVs. I guess the Taycan 4S is the only outlier in AWD efficiency.

Strange that ID4 don't come back at the exact same place as TM3.

@daveamies5031

3 жыл бұрын

I noticed that too. 👍🏼

@bjornnyland

3 жыл бұрын

I think it was me not turning ID4 100 % to the left.

ICE cars do have a big fat engine and transmission, that is correct! RWD lacks the need for a CV - constant velocity - joint that is required for any front wheel drive vehicle. By the way, check out the turning circle of the Smart EQ - short wheelbase and RWD - it is less than 23' / 6.95m!

Model 3 got one of the worst turning circles. It would get stuck in the suez channel if trying a u turn. Great to see what a proper car maker can do 😉.

@yingnyang2889

3 жыл бұрын

Hahaha...proper car maker....like diesel gate 1 & 2 proper? Your a joke

@claeseiken

3 жыл бұрын

@@yingnyang2889 No reason to get personal Dude. Like Tesla who is limiting charging speed e.g. everyone has their faults. At least VW is grown enough to get on with it and produce aim proper cars. I own a TM3 and it can’t even read speed signs properly. So stop being personal and calling me a joke. Thanks.

@netsraccjf3965

3 жыл бұрын

@@claeseiken It can't properly read speed signs nor can it auto park in a decent fast way ! Very strange for a car which was supposed to drive itself yesterday....

@claeseiken

3 жыл бұрын

@@netsraccjf3965 exactly my point. On a small trip today it was on EAP and so close to hit cars parked on the road I had to bail it out. it wasn’t even trying to stear around them.

@swhbpocl

3 жыл бұрын

Ha ha 😂, good one. Still, never a VW. I’m lucky to alive, a VW almost killed my parents before I was born.

Do you already know when you get an Enyaq for testing? Think physically much identical. So focus maybe more to Interieur and Matrix headlights (as they looks different ID.4/Enyaq).

Did you notice that the id4 did not go back to the same spot???

Can’t wait to visit Norway!

@SirHackaL0t.

3 жыл бұрын

I got to Norway last summer. Fantastic place to visit. The scenery was superb and the roads are much better than what we have in the UK. People were lovely and friendly.

@atleyri

3 жыл бұрын

@@SirHackaL0t. Thank you! An ev-vacation in Norway?

@SirHackaL0t.

3 жыл бұрын

@@atleyri I went in august and covered 3000 miles in 10 days. Best road trip I’ve done.

Is there a turn radius difference for the Model 3 LR AWD?

@bjornnyland

3 жыл бұрын

I don't think so.

@4:20. 3 and a half parking spots for Tesla Model 3. :)

There’s not many characteristics of the Model 3 that can be rated as poor but the turning circle is poor particularly for manoeuvring in car parks and narrow streets in Melbourne, Australia. I’m hoping for a much better result from Tesla in their upcoming Model 2.

Very interesting video but it seems that id4 seems out ot alignment - when you complete the circle, your wheels seem to no longer align with parking strip

@bjornnyland

3 жыл бұрын

I think it was me not turning ID4 100 % to the left.

@ArreatPLvro

3 жыл бұрын

@@bjornnyland or turning wheels while stationary may not turn the wheel fully

Honda E apparently has a turning circle of 8,6m which is just insane

@alltomelbil

3 жыл бұрын

No, 4.3m.

@nygaardjohan

3 жыл бұрын

@@alltomelbil I believe that is the turning radius not diameter.

Normally , rear wheel drive car make more sharp angle turn than front wheel drive.

@alexlo7708

3 жыл бұрын

@@mariuskotsbak In front wheel drive, wheel hub has to connect to drive shaft that it connects to universal joint before ending in differential port. It is this joint which limiting the flex angle to pushing rod on the front wheel.

My Smart EQ, „Hold my beer“ --> 6,95M 🥇

@LetsTakeWalk

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, but it has 10km range.

@teslarossa2896

3 жыл бұрын

@@LetsTakeWalk 10km are lots of circles 😨

@davideparolin4105

3 жыл бұрын

My Honda e ➡️ 4,3 M 😅

Honda E: *Hold my beer*... 4,3 meters.

No wonder! They dont have CVT joint in front. I bet AWD version will have large radius.

ID 4 also designed as AWD capable

ID4 looks more like a turning oval in this test. What's with the crabbing to the right a few feet each revolution about? Not likely a real world issue but interesting.

On slippery road (rain or snow), 4 wheels drive is safer and do better on energy regen.

@bjornnyland

3 жыл бұрын

Of course. I also prefer AWD.

ID.4 😍