Icarus director Bryan Fogel on The Forward with Lance Armstrong

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Bryan talks with Lance about his original intention for his film, how he got to know Grigory Rodchenkov and how Russia circumvented the drug testing process at the Sochi Games.

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  • @fernandoccintra
    @fernandoccintra2 жыл бұрын

    Man how does this have just 75k views? This interview is actually gold for all it touches - from Lance talking so openly about it and the whole insane plot Icarus covers. Just WOW

  • @aleksandrmykhailov5087

    @aleksandrmykhailov5087

    10 ай бұрын

    Cause, nobody cares about Lance anymore

  • @uberkloden

    @uberkloden

    10 ай бұрын

    @@aleksandrmykhailov5087Really? Are you a nobody.

  • @frederickhartray9701

    @frederickhartray9701

    8 ай бұрын

    @@aleksandrmykhailov5087 You have to admit the hypocrisy of these two cheats talking about others doping is humorous.

  • @horse-4598

    @horse-4598

    4 ай бұрын

    No clickbait title. Boring thumbnail

  • @jamskof
    @jamskof6 жыл бұрын

    so good to see lance talking about all this so candidly! AWESOME!

  • @imranvp

    @imranvp

    5 жыл бұрын

    Yeah exactly. Lance can easily be a credit to the community and the sporting world at large if he explains the ins and outs of getting around the system with doping, so we could possibly avoid or catch future cheaters. Coz who would know better than him right? This was an amazing interview! Great to see Lance being candid like that!

  • @johnnyguzman3429
    @johnnyguzman34296 жыл бұрын

    Thanks for bringing in such an important story to your podcast.

  • @flaviobbq
    @flaviobbq6 жыл бұрын

    Fantastic interview. I can’t wait for part 2.

  • @robroberts1473
    @robroberts14736 жыл бұрын

    This channel is quickly becoming my favorite channel

  • @Gkuljian
    @Gkuljian6 жыл бұрын

    Fascinating. I've been waiting for this interview. Can't wait to see the movie.

  • @Swoll1231

    @Swoll1231

    6 жыл бұрын

    G Kuljian great movie

  • @Pawcioook
    @Pawcioook5 жыл бұрын

    Many thanks for this interview 😎

  • @Limitless_Flowers
    @Limitless_Flowers4 жыл бұрын

    This documentary is mind blowing!! Grigory was soo charming and funny in the documentary !!

  • @hedleykerr3564
    @hedleykerr35646 жыл бұрын

    Anybody who has watched the movie and then viewed this podcast should go back and watch the movie(Icarus) again you will have much better clarity!

  • @tuco5739
    @tuco57396 жыл бұрын

    Lance incredible documentary! I was glued to the tv! I hope Gregory is doing well somewhere in the US.

  • @alanp8724
    @alanp87246 жыл бұрын

    freaking amazing!! great backstory to icarus.

  • @martblore
    @martblore6 жыл бұрын

    A great documentary, and a great pod-versation 👌

  • @revelution3658
    @revelution36586 жыл бұрын

    How am I just now seeing lance Armstrong on a podcast?! Best believe Ive got a new podcast to listen to

  • @RobbieLeffel
    @RobbieLeffel6 жыл бұрын

    How uncomfortable is that table for Bryan?!

  • @vd2597

    @vd2597

    3 жыл бұрын

    F-that. Bryan knows what lance had to do because of the simple nature of the sport.

  • @MFries1
    @MFries16 жыл бұрын

    Boost your overall levels, please :) Esp. on audio for podcast (if it's not the same as video). I've listened to every podcast, and they've been absolutely fantastic! guests are incredible and every single one has been enjoyable, but just boost the db's!

  • @galeiras
    @galeiras6 жыл бұрын

    Best podcast in the world!!! Go Lance!

  • @sirdelrio
    @sirdelrio2 жыл бұрын

    Michael Phelps says he 'never competed in a clean field once'. He's talking about himself.

  • @shawndoran2879
    @shawndoran28796 жыл бұрын

    Stumbled on this... awesome!

  • @2wheelsrbest327
    @2wheelsrbest3275 жыл бұрын

    Brilliant & fascinating.

  • @KurtMcDowellOKC
    @KurtMcDowellOKC6 жыл бұрын

    I watched the movie last night after seeing this interview. Riveting, intriguing, and deflating! I can't see an end to the 'better living through chemistry' mindset among individuals, teams, or countries.

  • @tonyhernandez5283
    @tonyhernandez52835 жыл бұрын

    "Our roided up guy beat your roided up guy" >bill burr

  • @beeboopbeebop9316

    @beeboopbeebop9316

    9 ай бұрын

    Rf

  • @NicholasStewartfilms
    @NicholasStewartfilms6 жыл бұрын

    That Dr Ferrari quote ! 😂😂

  • @lpr5269

    @lpr5269

    6 жыл бұрын

    "All you need is the RED CELLS."(with an Italian Accent) That's totally true by the way. It doesn't matter how much muscle you have. If you don't have enough oxygen going to your muscles it all shuts down.

  • @yungskwad4449

    @yungskwad4449

    3 жыл бұрын

    Paul y yessir

  • @flyingface
    @flyingface10 ай бұрын

    Wow, incredible podcast

  • @urin1337
    @urin13376 жыл бұрын

    i think fogel missed a shot here. lance was really open and wanted to talk about everything. dont get me wrong - this is great, but it couldve been much more.

  • @chuckie102883

    @chuckie102883

    2 жыл бұрын

    He was being interviewed not the other way around

  • @AndriyHrn
    @AndriyHrn6 жыл бұрын

    Awesome interview and great documentary, Bryan. Greetings from Ukraine :)

  • @thunderpooch

    @thunderpooch

    6 жыл бұрын

    It was an entertaining documentary, but the drama was all fabricated. He already knew Grigory and was tipped off that he was going down. The whole doping protocol was to fool viewers into thinking that he just so happened to fall into the greatest doping scandal ever.

  • @dakiblabla
    @dakiblabla3 жыл бұрын

    Ha ha when he was explaining how Portugalov turned Gregory in he should have said - you know, like you did to Tyler...

  • @bigtasty8401

    @bigtasty8401

    2 жыл бұрын

    I mean, Armstrong was only proven to be doping (even after confessing) when his teammates ratted on him. I'm not sure what role anyone played in that but yea, it goes around.

  • @dakiblabla

    @dakiblabla

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@bigtasty8401 I was referring to the incident when Armstrong reported on Tyler Hamilton for doping after Tyler refused to let him win some race. Tyler went ahead and won despite being "warned", the next day Armstrong reported him for doping, even though they were literally doping together. This was before Armstrong's doping was known outside the team. Tyler's interviews about that era are super interesting and highly recommended, as well as Floyd Landis'.

  • @bigtasty8401

    @bigtasty8401

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@dakiblabla Yea, questionable morals on behalf of all of them. I'm not saying Armstrong is innocent of wrong doing, just that all of them are pointing fingers. That's what happens when you're all guilty.

  • @joerossa1112
    @joerossa11128 ай бұрын

    Lance is in so much better shape today than 5 years ago.

  • @CoolInOlympia
    @CoolInOlympia5 жыл бұрын

    Is there part 2?

  • @vinylvipress5529
    @vinylvipress55292 жыл бұрын

    Icarus is mind blowing!

  • @MsFrogster1
    @MsFrogster16 жыл бұрын

    a brilliant movie, total respect for Grigory honestly. watched it several times as there is so much you can miss. "there's always a defense 😂😂"

  • @yungskwad4449
    @yungskwad44493 жыл бұрын

    bryan cant keep that smile inside fanboying

  • @MS-un9zq
    @MS-un9zq10 ай бұрын

    excellent movie/docu

  • @tedlast4896
    @tedlast48962 жыл бұрын

    Lance is the absolute GOAT

  • @JB-ki9ql
    @JB-ki9ql6 жыл бұрын

    Lance is in his groove with his podcast brilliant.

  • @sebastian7112
    @sebastian71123 жыл бұрын

    Can lance release his actual doping programs, how many IUs of EPO, how often, etc. I’d be curious to compare modern race protocols to early ones.

  • @nicholastemplebrown

    @nicholastemplebrown

    3 жыл бұрын

    I agree, although its best that lance doesn't mention amount doses etc. As elite athletes these days are on the same programs and or more complex programs.

  • @CFCMahomet

    @CFCMahomet

    3 жыл бұрын

    No way... The Omertà...

  • @SKILLIUSCAESAR

    @SKILLIUSCAESAR

    3 жыл бұрын

    U can find a lot of that info in his WADA investigation file that’s public... reading thru teammates affidavits as I listen to this, some of those details are definitely there

  • @dcy4063
    @dcy40634 жыл бұрын

    so cool

  • @franciscopontesvelasco4315
    @franciscopontesvelasco43152 жыл бұрын

    It would be great to see an interview with Chris Horner or Contador, Indurain, etc

  • @denali9643
    @denali96435 жыл бұрын

    20:36 “Felt pretty good, didn’t it?” The knowing.....

  • @timw4369
    @timw43693 жыл бұрын

    Yes it's been done before. Look at the samples for the 100 meters in Seoul I think they were all dirty not just johnson.

  • @jaydalypt2706
    @jaydalypt27065 жыл бұрын

    LA Still a god damn Legend and x7 TDF winner.

  • @ianholmquist8492

    @ianholmquist8492

    3 жыл бұрын

    The most famous cheater of all time, for sure

  • @humblesamb9920

    @humblesamb9920

    Жыл бұрын

    @@ianholmquist8492 absolutely, especially since he competed against a clean field. Right?

  • @fhowland
    @fhowland10 ай бұрын

    Table mounted mics make for poor audio unfortunately

  • @TRUETALK11613
    @TRUETALK116135 жыл бұрын

    Where did he come in the 2nd race ?

  • @mrkipling2201

    @mrkipling2201

    2 жыл бұрын

    27th.

  • @ivalovric
    @ivalovric Жыл бұрын

    Lance 👑

  • @majagwozdz2017
    @majagwozdz20172 жыл бұрын

    Lance is a really good host.

  • @andreas11735
    @andreas117356 жыл бұрын

    Have Don Catlin on The Forward podcast.

  • @chrisbrown2211
    @chrisbrown22113 жыл бұрын

    How/why does Lance think Michael Phelps does not use steroids?

  • @robertrishel3685
    @robertrishel36853 жыл бұрын

    Bryan Fogel is one amazing human being. I have huge respect for this guy, big respect. Not too shabby an athlete either👍👍 As far as Lance goes, “cheating”, drugs, megalomania, all that, whatever, bottom line, the man is still a once in a generation athlete. During his years of domination, all of the top level riders were doping, without a doubt. Lance did it better and his underlying athleticism is beyond comprehension. The record books may have an asterisk on his years of competition, but the truth and reality is he won and won and won and won.

  • @sirdelrio
    @sirdelrio2 жыл бұрын

    Lance is a hero because he told the truth. So many 'champions' are still pretending.

  • @ericyoahan
    @ericyoahan6 жыл бұрын

    i like this Lance. Loose.. freeflow. unlike his interview with Oprah and Rich Roll

  • @sonatak304
    @sonatak3046 жыл бұрын

    This feels sooo weird and icky to see the guy who unveiled the truth and one of the highest profile cheaters of all time... especially when Lance says “this guys is full of sh...”. I mean really? Coming from you? Humans are so complex but still, this feels weird!

  • @cypriano8763
    @cypriano87633 жыл бұрын

    350 for 130 pound dude for 1hr. Thats phil gaimon power son

  • @briandarabaca
    @briandarabaca6 жыл бұрын

    Lance, you will always be my champ! I agree that Icarus is such a great documentary film and an eye opener. Fighting dope with dope!

  • @snarkyboojum
    @snarkyboojum6 жыл бұрын

    Haha. Phelps doesn't do PEDs? Lol, give me a break.

  • @thunderpooch

    @thunderpooch

    6 жыл бұрын

    That has to be the biggest joke in history. If ever there was a sport more reliant on PED's and especially EPO it's swimming. Coming up for one less breath is often the difference in many races. If I jump in with more red blood cells I don't have to breathe as much. There's a reason they are huffing and puffing before they jump in. They are oxygenating their red blood cells.

  • @mrndlprsnr
    @mrndlprsnr5 жыл бұрын

    felt pretty good didnt it?!....

  • @adamstepic8083
    @adamstepic80832 жыл бұрын

    Lance Armstrong talking about Icarus, that's rich. Lol

  • @portal432
    @portal432 Жыл бұрын

    Lance is a G.

  • @cakej1
    @cakej1 Жыл бұрын

    Seems a lot more elaborate than Lance's supposedly elaborate doping system.

  • @billpickle2875
    @billpickle28752 жыл бұрын

    "Bet that felt pretty good didn't it?" Haha

  • @davidthoureau6693
    @davidthoureau66936 жыл бұрын

    It's only getting worse. Thx for this!

  • @acerconticchio999
    @acerconticchio9993 жыл бұрын

    Lance Armstrong just admitted Ferrari was the one telling him what to do!!!

  • @fiveyearold
    @fiveyearold5 жыл бұрын

    Outside contamination is how they got Michael food poisoning in that finals series against the 76ers. The "flu" game

  • @roadracer1158
    @roadracer11585 жыл бұрын

    Juiced!

  • @dannyboy2180
    @dannyboy21805 жыл бұрын

    They should do a investigation into China and their program.

  • @suzyinstitches273
    @suzyinstitches2732 жыл бұрын

    The rbc enhancement has a downside too. Go with too high a hematocrit and your blood becomes physically too thick to circulate efficiently.

  • @joselozada6640
    @joselozada66403 жыл бұрын

    wtttttttttttttttttttttttttf!!!! I just clicked and ddnt even bother to read the title!!!!!!! damn lance looks so old :O

  • @jeffk2512
    @jeffk25126 жыл бұрын

    F'ing awesome Lance!!! 🦁🦁🦁🦁🦁🦁🦁

  • @runningbroscience1534
    @runningbroscience15343 жыл бұрын

    who the hell disliked this video

  • @nicholastemplebrown
    @nicholastemplebrown3 жыл бұрын

    Lance knows you cannot be an elite champion without performance enhancing drugs. He even admitted it (in the 30 for 30 series) when he first went to Europe he wasn't even near the best guys at the end of races. At the time lance thought he was at his best. (Naturally) He then new if you "don't dope you cant cope". I am a supporter and will continue support lance, without him cycling wouldn't be where it is today. People watch sport to get the best entertainment... Why not let these elite gladiators dope the house down? Their body their choice. We give these athletes stigma for using drugs to be better at their jobs but most of society are hypocrites. Most people abuse stimulants , painkillers, nootropics etc just to go earn their salary at a normal job. Society lacks perspective. Great interview. 😎

  • @ianholmquist8492

    @ianholmquist8492

    3 жыл бұрын

    Lol

  • @tfa8

    @tfa8

    2 жыл бұрын

    that's his typical weak defense line, 'everbody was doing', "you can't win without... ',' bringing knufes to a gunfight ' and other BS over and over again to distract from his own cheating, real winners don't cheat, real cheats never win...

  • @nicholastemplebrown

    @nicholastemplebrown

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@tfa8 The best athletes in the world are on the best drugs in the world. you cannot deny that, denying thats make you super naive. People in society use drugs to help them work more and harder for petty salaries. Pro athletes get paid millions, you think they wouldn't use drugs if millions of dollars were on the line??

  • @tfa8

    @tfa8

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@nicholastemplebrown didn't make sense to me, either you are an athlete means you are playing by the rules in a level playing field or you are an cheating doper, there is nothing like an doping Athlete... either you dope and cheat or you are an athlete

  • @humblesamb9920

    @humblesamb9920

    Жыл бұрын

    @@tfa8 appalling levels of nativity

  • @nemanjamilovancevic8396
    @nemanjamilovancevic83963 жыл бұрын

    Michael phelps not using peds? Hard to imagine

  • @josephk.h.5506
    @josephk.h.55066 жыл бұрын

    Great interview. Bryan and Lance did a great interview. BTW, I've followed Lance since his teenage swimming career. Got to admit, the dude's appearance is looking a little rough. Not hating at all here - he's only 46 and looks like he needs to either get more sleep and/or accordingly adjust his eating and exercise routine. Irrespective still Da Man!

  • @josephk.h.5506

    @josephk.h.5506

    6 жыл бұрын

    agree man . . . Lance will tell you himself that he's not the best eater. Still a monster on the bike though.

  • @ckcycles7624

    @ckcycles7624

    6 жыл бұрын

    The man is still being sued for 120million dollars. I would assume that would accelerate the aging process quite a bit

  • @Zen_Power

    @Zen_Power

    4 жыл бұрын

    CKCycles 😂 how is he not completely bankrupt? I can imagine every one he sued has counter sued him. And that’s ALOT of people.

  • @4dogsannacat
    @4dogsannacat6 жыл бұрын

    Huh Grigory is being sued for defamation of character by three athletes that were stripped of their medals, GOOD!

  • @olliebrown89
    @olliebrown89 Жыл бұрын

    I thought the exact opposite about phelps.

  • @champtech8755
    @champtech87553 жыл бұрын

    Well, I’m Russian and it could be 100% true, BUT I wouldn’t take at face value everything he’s saying. You cannot trust a person who was making money on the side while working for WADA and Russia’s doping center/lab and then blaming others.

  • @nickhumphrey4833
    @nickhumphrey48336 жыл бұрын

    I understand Fogel's incentive and impetus to do the film from an intuitive point of view and also from a scientific perspective- in an attempt to make the science of doping control falsifiable. However I do not understand Grigory's incentive to take the venture on. He knew they were swapping urine and not testing for certain substances. its not a falsifiability study for him- he had insider knowledge doping control was bullshit in the case of the Russians. - I just can't understand how he nearly risked his life to tell the truth about something he was not only complicit in but a scheme he actively participated in. I can't understand how Grigory is so clever and did something that is so not in his interests.

  • @angusreynolds7273

    @angusreynolds7273

    5 жыл бұрын

    I assumed watching the Documentary that Grigory knew what was coming so when some random American presents himself as a potential ally if the situation ever got out of hand and so he leapt at the opportunity to have another friend overseas who could help him without ruining his reputation.

  • @glywnniswells9480

    @glywnniswells9480

    5 жыл бұрын

    He is anti Russian and Putin because Russians are no longer ruled by Bolscheviks,whereas the West is.The West has at least an equal doping problem

  • @christopherhamer9584
    @christopherhamer95843 жыл бұрын

    Lance "livestrong" Armstrong This man can do more with 1 ball then we all can do with 2.

  • @Wacoal34d
    @Wacoal34d5 жыл бұрын

    Awkward, the elephant in the room, good to have that tension.

  • @benkvulothong4034
    @benkvulothong40343 жыл бұрын

    Sadulaev really?

  • @chrisbuxton1958
    @chrisbuxton19583 жыл бұрын

    I’m still a big fan of Lance.

  • @MilenkoIvanovic
    @MilenkoIvanovic6 жыл бұрын

    Lance aged

  • @strontiumdog8646
    @strontiumdog86466 жыл бұрын

    ‘Who’d have THUNK IT’ ...... LANCE!!!!!!!!!!! What the fuck 😭😭😭 sort your language out bro haha

  • @marcelberger8280
    @marcelberger82803 жыл бұрын

    Pretty sad that Bryan Fogel is taking credit for others' achievements. Hajo Seppelt from the German First Television Broadcaster uncovered the story Fogel based his documentary Icarus on. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hajo_Seppelt

  • @Von45Rose
    @Von45Rose2 жыл бұрын

    Why would I watch a sport that’s fixed? Ask Vince McMahon.

  • @mrkipling2201

    @mrkipling2201

    2 жыл бұрын

    According to Vince it’s sports entertainment!!!

  • @dalelayton282
    @dalelayton2825 жыл бұрын

    Greatest cycles of all time lance.

  • @vd2597
    @vd25973 жыл бұрын

    Lance 🇺🇲💪

  • @jonboltax
    @jonboltax4 жыл бұрын

    seriously get a different table for your guests

  • @dr.merlot1532
    @dr.merlot15326 жыл бұрын

    F Joe Rogan, Rogan some times brings in quacks into his pod cast. I like Lance's pod cast much more.

  • @glywnniswells9480
    @glywnniswells94805 жыл бұрын

    oh its Only Russin athletes right

  • @subtropicalken1362
    @subtropicalken13624 жыл бұрын

    So Lance gets a life time ban for his doping, lies, and intimidation. Why aren’t the Russians receiving a lifetime ban for murder, lies, intimidation (a witness in the witness protection program), etc., etc? And does anyone really trust them to not do the very same thing again? Frankly I don’t trust any athlete not to do the same thing again, nor the governing bodies ...

  • @4dogsannacat
    @4dogsannacat6 жыл бұрын

    So he says he knew and met GR in 2014 then played it off that Doug Caitlin introduced them.....the bullshit that comes out of this guys mouth is insane

  • @thunderpooch

    @thunderpooch

    6 жыл бұрын

    The documentary fabricated timelines to add drama. So unnecessary! The whole doping protocol was total bullshit to make it appear he fell into the lap of Grigory. You're smart enough to catch it, but I doubt the average person will.

  • @mofomartianp

    @mofomartianp

    6 жыл бұрын

    He's a jew, what do you expect?

  • @chheule
    @chheule5 жыл бұрын

    The movie is nice and I like this podcast but there is 1 thing that I really hate on Icarus and this specific episode. Just because you dope doesn't mean no one NOT on drugs can't race faster as you do!!! I raced HR Ventoux in 2017 and finished 9th or 10th overall, 100% clean. Not even vitamin supplements! I could have done way better with a little more training but I'm working, I have tow kids and I primarily enjoy my life. I'm over that point where cycling was all in my life. I'm far from lean. I'm 185cm tall and weigh 80-82kg. I'm far from pro level. My FTP dropped more then 10% since I retired and I weigh about 10kg more now. NOT pro level. I find it a shame, BF is suggesting anyone is on drugs on those races. Sure thats wrong. Very very wrong.

  • @alainmaitre2069
    @alainmaitre206910 ай бұрын

    Lance is using the F word , i am out , i do not want to hear him talk like that .

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