Definitely appreciate your honest take on your personal experience and clarifying which views you're sharing are based on what you've learned or heard from other people. Good discussions from your channel so far. I'm starting off via IBEW's training program and hope to add some insights later down the road as well.

im done with school for instrumentation in 2 weeks. Ill start at MMR Constructors up at the Iowa Fertilizer Plant in like 3 weeks as an electrician. Do you have any tips straight out of school?

Thanks for insight from both perspectives. I'm starting boot camp with my local IBEW apprenticeship tomorrow.

@juniorharris9545

4 жыл бұрын

Boot camp? I’m going into my 5th year As an apprentice IBEW local 5, Pittsburgh

I've been an Electrician now for 38 years, both working for non union companies and later self employed. If I could go back in time, I would definitely would of tried to join the IBEW. It is difficult paying for your own Healthcare, and no pension at all.

@Leggir

3 жыл бұрын

Pensions are great, as long as they stay (Think of Sears, UAW plants shutting, etc.) Keeping a tight lid on spending, not buying into new vehicles and extravagant housing, and paying yourself 10% / paycheck to go into your retirement is the best way to plan for retirement. I know a few union guys who worked well into retirement because they had poor spending habits, despite making 6 figure incomes for years.

@benjamintorres9211

3 жыл бұрын

@@Leggir well they would’ve made that same decision regardless of whether they were union or nonunion

IBEW Local 5, Pittsburgh here. I’m going into my 5th year as an apprentice. I take my Journeyman’s test next year. I worked in 2 sewage plants, a couple water plants, 4 hospitals and a ground up healthcare office building. Monday I start at a oil and gas field job not sure what’s going on there yet. One thing I can say where I live as a non union electrician the hourly definitely less than Union. They probably make decent money if self-employed. I’m not sure what the benefits are like.Our local has two pensions and a401(k) for lack of better words. The pay hourly is like one and ahalf times what a non-union electrician would make. Plus with the union there’s more job security. Granted, there may be times where layoffs could have a guy sitting for months depending on how work is. Thanks for the video stay strong in the trade

Thanks for the tips you have provided here.

Good and fair post. I'm a self employed industrial electrician. I tried years ago to start my own business in upstate NY. The unions made it impossible to do that without paying them. I moved to Florida which is a right to work state and started my business repairing welding machines with no interference from the state govt or the union. 15 yrs later I make 200 per hour and I never looked back. Point is location has a lot to do with that choice

@abanoubmelad2919

2 жыл бұрын

Are u still here? Did u leave the union to run your business or what? And do u think the unions worth it for ( electricians ) ?! And what’s the problem in right to work law?!

@benjamintorres9211

2 жыл бұрын

@@abanoubmelad2919 right to work laws are bullshit lol

@abanoubmelad2919

2 жыл бұрын

@@benjamintorres9211 Explain

Hello from the trainee next door in Louisiana. Keep it up brother.

Thanks for another video. I too work for a non Union company here in Vermont and the work varies everyday. Resedential, commercial and even some ductless heat pump installs are starting to give me the well rounded edge. I'm wondering now how specific Union work can be?

@S33Electrical

8 жыл бұрын

+veteranfarmer Thank you brother, I've heard stories of people who spent the first year in the union as a material handler before they even let them do electrical work, and after that it's another year of just working with MC. Keep in mind the Union is a group of different contractors in each area, so each persons experience with them is going to be different I guess.

I'm in 756 in Florida and my mentor is pretty reluctant to actually teach. so to anyone getting into the apprenticeship beware of old pros that doesnt understand that you aren't a master electrician right from day one.

@grandcanyon2

5 жыл бұрын

Thats the problem, with old pros, they don't want to teach they want you to just get it, so their job is less stress free and they do less work. These guys don't want to teach the basics, in idiot form so you understand the trade.

@Ink.johnny

4 жыл бұрын

Ive learned from shitty journeyman and good journeyman. I cant stand the old pros of which you speak. They just have anger issues. I have my card now and am def not that way with my apprentices. They all like working for me and kick ass for me. Teaching apprentices is a part of being a good Electrician.

@waltersobchak7275

3 жыл бұрын

@@Ink.johnny that’s to weed your ass out bro.

Gunna be enrolling in the into Northeastern joint apprenticeship and training to become a lineman. Cant wait, the work is tough but the pay is very good..plus your always outdoors! Chase your goals!

Are you wearing sunglasses so the IBEW can't recognize you???

@kimjuanjun7124

4 жыл бұрын

Well unions are mafias so don't be surprised

Anyone in Local 716, or non-union in Houston that can give me some advice on whether or not to go union or not? I like the benefits the union has to offer for my family and i, but I’ve heard non union is the way to go. Not sure if union presence is big out here in Houston, but if anyone knows please lmk.

Great video dude also really enjoy ur channel keep it up! One question can u define (explain what that means? a w2 work environment..

@S33Electrical

8 жыл бұрын

+hoj jo When you get hired on to any job in the states they'll have you fill out a w-2 or a w-9 form. w-2 is where they hold taxes, and w-9 is straight contract labor (no taxes withheld).

More than just a union. We're a brotherhood. IBEW FOR LIFE! LU175

well, I see you must be somewhat new to the union, or have been involved for a short period of time. I started with non union myself, get into my local here in KC. I can't tell you how incorrect you are about getting more experience in non union doing can lights and small tenant finishes, residential, a chucky cheese and a jimmy johns. Ive been in the local for 3 years now and have done nothing but massive commercial industrial jobs. The Cerner Trail campus, hospitals, Arrowhead and Koffman stadiums, GM an FORD plants. Power plants. dude here in the IBEW we do bigger things than can lights and wire up chucky cheeses brother and I'm hoping you will get to experience this in time since you are new to the union. I was completely stunned with how much bigger and better the work is on the union side. I think you'll find that you will change your mind on that statement. It also helps that I'm with one of the 3 biggest contractors in my city MOE KCMO. I've learned more in 3 years of union that my whole time non union. you don't get a lot of bending 4-6 inch RIGID in non union and the job sizes are often a lot smaller. and the schooling at the IBEW is top notch if you don't fuck it off and want to learn.

@lazarevic95

8 жыл бұрын

I just got into the ibew and start my apprenticeship in a few days and I'm super excited.

@ikecostner1

8 жыл бұрын

so you ran conduit and pushed wire now you're amazing at electrical work. ha

@chaffee87

8 жыл бұрын

+Ike Costner you know it! ;)

@ikecostner1

8 жыл бұрын

Lol ok

@beau1081

5 жыл бұрын

Eric Chaffee Hey man, I found this guy’s video and was going through the comments. I came across yours and saw you live in KC and are apart of the IBEW local here. I’ve been considering being an electrician for some time now and just last week went and got an application. Have not turned it back in yet I need to find my diploma in storage but once I do that I will be turning it in this week or next. Anyways, please comment back, I’d love to pick your brain and even see if you could give me some pointers on getting into the union and stuff! Thanks man!

Isn't the biggest factor WHERE you want to work, aka what size projects? So if you want to do industrial, hospitals/public/govt infrastructure, then go union? But if you want stick to "smaller" commercial projects, or residential; is there a benefit to being union?

Hey I'm leaving school in a few months and was planning on doing an electrical apprenticeship. Could you tell me if it's still a good trade to get into and what the pay is like? ( My dad keeps telling me it will always be needed and well payed, but I'm having second thoughts. Sorry for the long comment)

@S33Electrical

8 жыл бұрын

+roborobinson11 It's a good trade for sure, and the pay is good. Almost everyone has to make a choice about what career they want to pursue in life. It's a important choice, and because of your age what you spend the next 6-7 years doing will determine what the rest of life will be like. At your age you'll want to work just as hard on yourself as you do on the job. Make good choices, stay away from tobacco, drugs, and alcohol. I've met people in the electrical field that are highly intelligent, and well rounded people. I've also met total losers that have never hit a lick in their life. I think that going into the electrical field couldn't hurt to at least try it out. If it's not what you want, you'll know right away. Personally I can't work a regular 9-5 job where its is a day in and day out routine. I'm somewhat eccentric, I get bored of routines, and mundane tasks. Being in the electrical field allows me to constantly learn, and experience new things. After years of hard work I'm flexible, and I can conduct my business on my own terms. That's what I wanted, and that's the life I've set up for myself. My walk is going to be different from yours, so you'll have to make your own choice. I have it in to me to fight, and it's that strength that has carried me threw my whole journey.

@roborobinson11

8 жыл бұрын

Thank you very much I've already began searching for apprenticeships in my local area and will let you know if I am successful and start work in September :D

@fbrown47

8 жыл бұрын

+S33 Electrical I'm 25 years old will be 26 in a couple of months. It's taken me some time to figure out what career path I want to go in. Up until a year ago I've always thought I wanted to stay in retail. I'm interested in becoming an electrician because it's a good trade and as far as I can tell if I do a good job I'll always be employed. I don't really work with tools or am a handyman as I've stated I've spent my years in retail so with that being said do you think employers would shy away from me being that I have no type of experience? I'm trying to find an apprentice program to get enrolled into. Do you think by me having no prior knowledge that the program would be extremely difficult for me?

Do you think you'll ever do how-to or A Day in the Life of an Electrician videos for us younger guys in high school that are interested in becoming an Electrician?

@S33Electrical

8 жыл бұрын

+Da King RT Yeah that's a good ideal. I'll keep it in mind, but right now I have a bunch of new content planned. Were going to start talking about different things in the industry, and some hands on How to stuff.

@EliteAD

8 жыл бұрын

Ok,cool.Sounds good👍🏼

@samanthathomas-pankey1729

8 жыл бұрын

+Da King RT j.s., a...'k koo 8il.a.z. njntt4.VTo.

Could you still apply at a local union with no high school degree only experience would you be considered?

@WARRIORlax1807

7 жыл бұрын

Jose Lopez yes, check your local union hall.

I'm lucky enough to work for a pretty awesome non union company that gives me a w2 at the end of the year. We don't really have alot of union in the dfw area so I can speak as to if it's better or worse. I do know that in my time as an electrician and under my current boss I have been exposed to just about everything and have learned to adapt very well. For me I think it's worked out great being non union. The only downfall I see is when it comes to testing up it's much harder without the formal classes.

@ricker76er

3 жыл бұрын

Doesn’t every company give you a W2 at the end of the year? It’s a tax form

hey sam very knowledgeable video i work here in ny as a non union electrican n the company i work for is great we work year round i love the job we do mostly commercial n residential the only killer part is when we bring in the service equipment unloading n setting it up i just love it makes my day go quick great videos keep up the good work n im always learning something new

I went to a trade school for 8 months that certifies me for 2 years Electrical experience in my state (NY) and I've always been working in the field now for the past 7 months straight. I feel like I know the majority of Residential. I'm completely confident that I can wire entire apartments/buildings by myself from Rough-ins/Panel/Devices. I started at a low wage of $10/HR now I technically get 11$/HR .. 1$ off the books to balance what they take out for taxes. But Helpers in New York with 0 Experience generally start at 12-14$ and I went to school and still started at $10.. Regardless it's been 7 months in the field on top of school and I think that my productivity/knowledge is worth more than what i'm getting paid is it time to ask for a raise? And If they say no should I go to another company or should I just stick this out 5 months to get 1 year experience?

@S33Electrical

8 жыл бұрын

I feel like it takes 4-5 years for someone to really get well rounded in experience, so that's something to consider. I'd say learn how to write a nice resume that you can send via e-mail. Reply to ads with it, and see what kinda opportunities come from it. If you get a serious offer, and you use that as leverage when you go to ask for a raise with the company you're at. Good luck.

@bloodiemike

7 жыл бұрын

ExoGram you should go Union. 5byears of training and they pay your your worth from 1st year experience all the way to journeyman

@NeverEndingGalaxy

7 жыл бұрын

Obviously.. Everybody would love to be in a union probably is it's nearly fucking impossible to get in one. Especially in NYC

@NeverEndingGalaxy

7 жыл бұрын

I'm legitamately getting paid more working at a Gas station with work 10x easier than I was doing and i'm bringing home more money than when I was a Helper in electrical.

@ikecostner1

7 жыл бұрын

ExoGram yes you need a new employer there are shitty ones and good ones.

Thanks for the video man.

I've been a union electrician for 25 years now. There's no doubt about it, that from a personal perspective, anyone interested in electrical work is VASTLY better off doing union work. Also, more importantly, labor unions have been, and still are, hugely important in establishing labor standards, wages, and working conditions in this country. So the ethical, moral and RIGHT choice is to go union, if you have any choice about it. Union members pay dues, and those dues pay not only for benefits to union members, but also for benefits to non-union members. So please, if you can, work UNION, hire UNION, and support unions in every way, electrical or whatever.

@dougsmith3987

7 жыл бұрын

papackar what state do u living in I'm having a hell of a time finding someone in new Jersey in the union . I'm top of my class in a share time program at my school for eleticalcal but it's not what u know it's who u know

@papackar

7 жыл бұрын

That may well be true in New Jersey. I live in California. If you google "IBEW New Jersey" you should find a few phone numbers. Call them and ask about apprenticeship programs, if you haven't already. Or, you could move to some other part of the country. After a five year apprenticeship, you're free to travel and work in other locals, retaining all your benefits. Also, you don't have to fixate on the electrical trade. Other related trades have union apprenticeships also, like HVAC.

@dougsmith3987

7 жыл бұрын

im 17 1st year doing a trade program with my highschool so my plan is when i turn 18 ill call the uion talk to them try to get a connection some how if i cant ill look in to other option like hvac

@Avnatanyel

7 жыл бұрын

www.ibewlu363.org/site_v1/maps/njst.jpg - Here's a map of the locals in New Jersey. Just find the one where you live, look them up and give them a call. You need a high school diploma or GED. They have an aptitude test and an interview. If you score well enough in both they call you to join the apprenticeship.

@dougsmith3987

7 жыл бұрын

ty man i heard that its just about who u know but ill give that a try when i graduate highschool

i am just about done with my electives learning electrical and i want to learn and earn physically. I was looking for a union and looked up ibew..but they never reply to my messages about my concerns. its discouraging.

@S33Electrical

8 жыл бұрын

+MADPURO Don't give up man, there are a lot of opportunities out there. You just gotta stay consistent in your pursuit. It sounds like you're young, so you still have plenty of time.

@MADPURO

8 жыл бұрын

S33 Electrical Thanks for that. That makes me want to pursue it even more. I am actually almost 30 lol. I still consider myself young and a spong! I just need to keep trying to communicate with these people to get my foot past the door. Keep up the videos man. I like when you talk electrical. Very informative.

I'm 38 and thinking of going for Limited A Apprenticeship (if my tests work out). I worked a production labor job before, and it was non-union. They worked me 6 days a week with 10-12 shifts, because they fired the guy that trained me for ....wait for it....talking to a union rep. They fired him for "inciting a mutiny" So I will be joining union jobs if it's labor. The tech side doesn't really do union much. Though programmers sure could use one.

Thanks man good video

Thank you so much Bro

Truly somthing to consider thanks for the video.

I've been in the union for 8 years and I can say that I have had just as much and or more experience in the field as a union electrician. The only difference between the two is you're better off Union if you want a 401k, time off/ sick, benefits and paid schooling. You're not always going to get that non-union, it's really hit-or-miss.

Locally to work in ibew jobs meant working 200+ miles away from home. So I chose to work with local non-union, but I have friends in both and respect both.

Nice. Hey thanks for the talk, helped me to understand a little more about the what I’m facing. And that’s awesome to know what you’ve done being In non-union “private” electrical work.. thumbs up

I work for IBEW in SF for about 4 years didn't turn out but I did learn a lot I basically learned everything I needed. Now I work non union benefits ain't great like the union but my hourly wage is up there because I work for a private company but definitely start off union if you can

I’m with the local 1701 in Owensboro Kentucky which the cost of living is fairly low to average and with pension insurance all the other benefits we make like 70 an hour I would like to see a non union worker come close

From being on both side of the fence, I hate the term non f-that but I agree about 75% except when it comes to exposure IE Industrial and big jobs the Union-(Affiliated Work Force) Dominates at least in my state CA and currently and as it goes for the Private Work Force, bro gotta be quick and sharp, great video bro

I'm non union and I enjoy it. I have work all year round and overtime when needed. Union here up in MD hasn't been that good I've known a couple guys who were apprentices and have gotten laid off and switching companies all the time. Either way depends on what works for you

@chaffee87

8 жыл бұрын

+Anthony Romeo May also be a sign of their workmenship. They probably sucked. usually those ones get laid off :)

@elizabethledbetter4126

5 жыл бұрын

@@chaffee87 no actually it's not so many good ones get laid off because the contractor has a stick up their butt you get laid off it's part of their way of living either when the job is done or the contractor gets butt-hurt over something a lot of shop-rockets and worms actually don't get laid off they'll stay with that company for years and leave good people out of a job so no it is not a sign of their performance their are other factors to getting laid off

If ur committed u can learn the trade alot faster if u go nonunion, i became a journeyman in 3 years got all my hours fast and became foreman in the same year and i get paid more than union pay plus 2 annual bonuses and if u go with a big electrical company their usually the ones laying people off as soon as works slows and its more of a coroporate feel

@S33Electrical

8 жыл бұрын

+Dont worry You should get on you tube bro. I've never heard of anyone getting their J-man card in 3 years. Where do you live?

@eastbay5l0

8 жыл бұрын

+S33 Electrical thats what she said jk i live in san francisco

@OSCmedia1992

6 жыл бұрын

That’s a scary though. Non union is turning over jw’s at only 3 years? No wonder the workmanship is lacking.

@danielcguthrie

6 жыл бұрын

JustD0ntG3tSh0t maybe your mental abilities are lacking. Four years is normal for a j-card, one thing I've never seen a union dude do is hustle.

@elizabethledbetter4126

5 жыл бұрын

@@danielcguthrie well then all you've seen are members and worms not brothers

I’m just starting out as an apprentice I’m out of local 401

@weiryler1

4 жыл бұрын

How are you liking it so far?

Great video. Perfect explanations,could've been done better.Thanks dude 👍🏼

helpful info

As an ex-IBEW local #164 member, i'd take no side. Sux to be union and non. Way better starting your own electrical business work for yourself. Go to school get a contractors license. Put some bids on all jobs. Or maybe just be lazy and work union or non shops.

@cam5833

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly! Im an lu80 apprentice and as soon as i get my hands on that card 5 years in I’m dragging and working for myself I know to many master electricians working well past retirement age because they didn’t take the time to grow a business, and have a large asset they can sell so they have a big ole nest egg too lay on.

I just started almost a month ago with Local 26 IBEW of the Washington DC area! Love it so far!

@reddail

5 жыл бұрын

Hey! Im looking to join the local 26 apprentice program. Any advice? Im in centreville and the local 26 is in Manassas. Thanks.

did you take a aptitude test

Can anybody in the comments explain to me why all electricians have that same receding hairline? Is it caused from something in the wires?

Hey, previous local 520 brother here. To be honest both sides are well, however you won't receive the same benefits being non - union. And it definitely will be pretty tough to constantly have work .

Hey bro i work in houston JM here

Lol, I worked for a union contractor that was terrible. The guy didn't even give me 40 and he laid me off every other week literally. Called the hall and they found me a better contractor. I've been their now for 5 years.

I've been a non-union electrician for coming up on 15 years and if I had to go back and do it again I wouldn't change it in a heartbeat 4th generation and first to go off the grid non-union and electricians are still my brothers local 1141

I don't understand how y'all get hired... I've checked the local companies and union and I've looked everyday for freaken 3 months to start out as a helper.... and no openings... Within 35 miles... At all

It should be like that in our union as well. If you don't produce you get a chance to learn a bit but if your still not producing after brothers have helped you then yeah your out. We need market share. How can we compete for market share if we are no dam good. We need to be the best trades people in North America.

IBEW local 520 is only there for Austin only I’m in San Angelo and they really screwed me they give false promises and I’ll never join them again for that reason I hope no one else gets screwed like i didn’t

very honest.

Non union= lower pay, lousy or no medical benefits, no pension, shitty working conditions, only to name a few things. I'm a recently retired ibew electrician from California. Best decision I ever made was to go through the ibew apprenticeship. GO UNION AND IBEW!!!

@eddiew2325

4 жыл бұрын

What if you’re a shitty mechanic who can’t do basic tasks?

@chief5981

4 жыл бұрын

Eddie W then join the union and they’ll turn you from a shitty electrician to a sub par journeymen

@Leggir

3 жыл бұрын

Depends on many things really. Local 424, no one has worked more than a few months without layoff to cycle members through work. Also pension is based off like anything, continued success of the company or union, which ours has been struggling for 5+ years. Wage when working is good, but at 700-800 hours per year, has meant overall yearly income is pretty shitty. Having worked both, I respect both, but for me the 'infighting' and political interference with members turned me off. "We don't talk to other trades." "We don't talk to non-union." We don't... "" You'd better vote for... ". I just want to go to work, earn a good wage, work hard at work worth doing, and go home.

oh ok I'm in a program that gives me 2000 hour already. I thought it was different since I stay in Florida

Its not what your union can do for you but what you can do for your union.

LU 164, Jersey City NJ, $ 54 per hour,,pension,annuity 22 years never traveled out of territory, working out of hall. Non union , not around here

@grandcanyon2

5 жыл бұрын

non union is shit, compared to union, for the most part, only a few non-union shops. And at 3:50 what he says is true, non union equals no safety or work protocal, or mentors to work with you for a few weeks, so you feel comfortable. The non-union shops care less about safety, i just finished trade school, and on day one the guy tells me to climb a 12 foot ladder and use a circular saw, and cut out pieces that are drawn for the race way., then bang the pieces out with a chesel and hammer. Then he says, so what can you do? i told him i can install lights receptackle, gfci protection devices, install smoke detectors, he says thats it. And then says im not doing anything, but standing around. Im new and the foreman expects me to do random stuff with no direction. Then he says looks like that trade school didn't teach me shit. i asked the other helpers how long they have been with the company, turns out one has worked with them for 4 weeks the other guy 2 months, aka the company has a high turn over rate. i expected them to have me do some tranining for a few days. I found it odd they hired me without a interview and i can see why. Left them and decided to interview with better non-union companies till i can get into the elevator union or electrical trades union.

Local 3 IBEW for life ✊🏻⚡️

We don’t have a 401k we have NEAP

I have been nothing but union, Inside Wireman, and there is no truth to what this guy is saying about experience. Claiming that you learn more as a non union rat is entirely false. You can take any type of call you want as a union electrician and do any type of electrical work you are looking for. There are residential, commercial, and industrial contractors in the union all over the country and they are all always gonna need help. You will get better pay, better health benefits, vacation pay, retirement, pension, better job conditions, and learn how to produce a much more quality finished product as an IBEW member hands down!!!

@ericfox7234

6 жыл бұрын

Pipeology nonunion rat ,union can't compete with ,just the way it goes

@alexborowski1237

5 жыл бұрын

Suck pump or shop rocket?

so in Texas you Dont have to be out there working in the industry for three years before you can take your journey man test

@S33Electrical

8 жыл бұрын

+Anthony Peterson It's 4 years, and 8,000 hrs on the job to be eligible to take your test here in Texas.

learn more things in non union? are you serious bro? lol union is definitely the way to go . you get hands on experience in every part of the trade that can possibly be done. you can barely even find work without going through the union or the apprenticeship. well I'm talking about outside construction Lineman Substation Technicians and ground man. the safety is ridiculous if there is any problem my BA would stop that shit soon. I seen him kick a contractor out of our state and said you don't run indiana I do. lol and we was all working two days later for a contractor that wasn't trying to be ratty. the pay is crazy and benefits can't be matched like at all. I'm 19 years old I'm a apprentice lineman and on a 40 hour check plus per diem I'm bringing home 917 a week. and I'm just a first step. my dad is a journeyman lineman working in local 9 chicago and is bringing home like 2500 a week and benefits retirement. and when he gets tired of traveling and making money he will come home and work for 39 and change a hour and be home every night. IBEW 1393 4 lyyyyfe

@papackar

7 жыл бұрын

Absolutely. If you want to get a broad range of electrical work experience, go union. If you want a narrow range, go non-union.

@jamalb7101

7 жыл бұрын

there is no narrow range lineman work, you have to know everything about a line substation underground urd and street lights. that's the ibew I'm talking about

@travishnatiuk7699

7 жыл бұрын

well said- Every inside lineman I know union or non union has admitted that union training is the best available. Wow, your local has really high wages. Being an outdoor lineman is tough work, especially in cold states with ice freezes. No thank you. You guys do have strong union states in the Mid West and East though. Keep up the good work.

@jason30strange

7 жыл бұрын

Jamal B I'm a 3rd year apprentice from Local 194 Shreveport, La! I agree with everything you said about the Union, Sir. I'm 37. Wish I would have known about the program at your age. Best of luck to ya and hoping ya stay safe

@danielcguthrie

6 жыл бұрын

So, Jamal you and your father get to gouge the people of your state and then feel self-righteous about what you "seen" your superior do...? Learning is free son, you can do it whenever you like, without paying dues, for free. I'm happy that you found a place in life but damn, the people that go to Vegas every year and argue over your contracts don't give a flying fuck about you, or your dad. And they don't know the first thing about electricity, their trade is in words. I'd like to believe what people are saying about this in the comment section here but it reeks of socialism and false piety. Yankees can have it. Best of luck.

here's the skinny, ive been doing this shit for 13, 14 years, he's right the union has more structure schooling is way more intensive and involved , for instance the union spends 6 months on theory alone and non union prob spend a month or two, non union you have to pay for insurance depending on what the company offers it can be sky high, but the union you have damn good insurance, dental, and vision thats all paid for, non union 99% of the time theres no retirement, union pays 3 bucks an hour twords your retirement at no cost to you, the non union is way more laid back most of the time you dont even have to finish school to get journeyman pay as long as you can talk your shit and prove you can do the work your in, i dropped out in my 3rd year and ive been a journeyman for 8, 9 years, if you pass all your schooling in the union and have OSHA 10, OSHA 30, firstaid, CPR certifications you can be classified as a JW which means no matter what country wide the union has to pay you 24.00 an hour at least for knoxville, (its different for every city which knoxville is one of the lowest), now if your a long time journeyman trying to get into the union (which i just recently did) you have to take 5 separate very difficult test to get your JW classification, you still get all the union benefits you just wont get top pay, but im still making more than what i was nonunion, i like how laid back nonunion was and im gonna miss all the guys i worked with but im chasing that top dollar and retirement, and i havent had insurance in like 2 years so its gonna be nice to have that

@RB-xv4si

4 жыл бұрын

Jp Highbaugh JW means top pay, right? I want to apply to local 26 (DC) but I want to wait until I pass the journeyman test. I don’t think I’d even be given a chance at JW unless I came in with my license, and then have to take a bunch of hard tests. But still, I’m way more leaning toward that than going in without my license and being forced to start at the bottom at an $8/hr pay cut.

IBEW Is Organized Labor. It's Robotic. Non Union shops are Volatile. Iv'e experienced both. You have to experience both. Choose what is a Good Fit for you!. The Reality of this buisness is......Feast or Famine. Depends on the Economy. I am a Local 3 NYC. Labor Unions are dying. Experience and Productivity are key.

I was in local 26 in the early 2000s.came back in for mgm casino project.times have changed.no sense of brotherhood.you get asshole foreman trying to outshine each other.every foreman calling every other foreman a piece of shit.guys fucking with each other all day.ladder and material stealing.miserable experience.if you wanna wake up at 3:30am to be miserable than the union is right for you

One day you won't be able to move as fast as the younger guys on the job! When your 55-60 yrs old you'll wishing your going to have a pension check for the rest of your life! Electricians work HARD! You deserve a pension check! Some non union shops offer 401K but you can lose alot of money if the stock market crashes!! IBEW offers both 401& Pension. To me it's a no brainier!

Ibew local 26...18 years the best👊

Who would want to leave the IBEW?? Maybe a blue light who was never really a brother anyway. Union cat work circles around a rat any day

Local 340! Go to a real JATC IBEW apprenticeship. You can NOT get that education anywhere else. During my apprenticeship, we were rotated to different contractors every year, for a more diverse hands on training. If you hit it off with a contractor, and they want you back, you can invoke a 5th year privilege, and transfer back to them. Both parties will be better off, after the apprentice has seen other ways of doing things. There's always gonna be guys out of work in my local, because they have been fired from every local contractor, and can only take calls from out of town employers, because they haven't burned them yet. I started my apprenticeship in 1997, and the only time I have taken off, was time that I asked for, to go on trips. Check the pension contributions, they change from local, to local. In Sacramento you get 5$ an hour put into your retirement. In San Francisco I think it's up to $17 an hour into your retirement. That's on top of your wages and Platinum medical, and dental. Some locals pay more working dues than others, but we ALL pay the National $36 a month, and receive a "Pension" for that on top of your retirement from the wage package at whatever local you work at, or travel to. I believe the National Pension is $32, or $33 a month for every year served/worked/dues payed. United we stand, Divided we beg.

IBEW Local 11 ALL DAY.

@itsCJfr3434

6 жыл бұрын

ben dover IBEW local 495 ⚡

@sarag1158

6 жыл бұрын

617, 24/7, 365

LU3 IBEW NYC

A Boston union company owner here , I have been non union and union and I can say I can't get highly trained and skilled and qualified electricians like this . Union is the win win for both employer and worker. Local 103 IBEW Boston out.

@grandcanyon2

5 жыл бұрын

with non-union you get less skilled workers, who do less quality work for less pay, and with less incentive to stay and grow with your company. If you do union more skilled workers, who are better payed and trained, you win more contracts, and workers are more likely to stay with your shop for years instead of a few weeks or months.

Word of advice, pick an indoor place to do your vids. Lotta KZreadrs don't know ppl hit that dislike button because the sound of the wind kills your likes. Good video otherwise!

become a journey person - itinerant migratory worker, who always is looking for the next project - !!! this is temp work - gig work ! mandatory gypsy lifestyle controlled by contractors and project management.

IBEW FOR LIFE!!!!!!!!!

@Coachsquare1

5 жыл бұрын

danny conte if it’s not union it’s not shit . IBT local 455 . Former IBEW member.

@alexborowski1237

5 жыл бұрын

Shop rocket?

@alexborowski1237

5 жыл бұрын

Union yes,if you are a shop rocket or suck pump

Working non union just fucked me.

So let me get this straight.... go union if you want great pay,benefits,and great working environments... go non union if want “more experience” hahaha! Love hearing non union guys saying how union guys only do the same thing over and over lmfao. IBEW is always the better choice!

The union tactics for gaining membership are unbelievably unethical. There is a reason their membership is declining, even in the state of Oregon. According to the Department of Labor 86% of the contractors in the US are non-union, 14% are affiliated with a union. There is a reason for that. In Oregon according to BOLI, 70% non-union, 30% union. Every non-union contractor I know of offers 401k with matching. The union pension plan is a scam. They will make up every excuse in the world to not pay out the pension, and keep the money... this happens everyday.

@DocPortland

4 жыл бұрын

Karson Hutchins We always encourage people to apply for a non-union program and also the union program. Both are quality programs and put out great electricians. The non-union program, is www.iecoregon.org...

My dads a IBEW LU 479 crisco kibbe

Would you rather work 12 months of the year and make $60,000 or work 10 months of the year, take January and February off, and make $80,000? Oh and that $80,000 job also comes with good benefits, an extremely good pension, free power tools, paid training, paid schooling, 1.5x - 2x overtime pay and puts safety as the #1 priority? IBEW beats non-union every day of the week.

This guy makes no sense, one time he says working nonunion is dangerous and then union is better. Does he listen to himself? Union for life!

False statements about union workers being lazy! It is a right to work state guys. If your not a worker then you will be on the layoff list!!!! Union workers are there to make sure we all make the best wages for the our craft. If it were not for Union then we would make low wages! They set the bar for all of us wether you are Union or non Union. Think

Oh so this guy isn’t even a journeyman lineman.

In most cases the Unions suck. I have worked with many union guys and they mostly worked half a year, not something I wanted to do. In most unions it's who you know (or better who you are related to).

Dude if you have never been in the union how do you know non Union is better? You give credit to Union brothers who showed you how to be an electrician. I guess they should have taught you more about brotherhood. Also how can you say that you learn more ? We go to school for five years + on the job training! You probably know as much as a second year appreciate. I mean you where bragging how you can make a plug up . We'll holy sh#t you must be an electrician. You couldn't tote my tool bag kid ! IBEW LU. #508 SAVANAH , GEORGIA

@MrMuscleBilly

8 жыл бұрын

I can't speak for the IBEW, but I was in the UA plumbers and pipefitters and I felt the school classes were a joke. You had 5% actual studies and 95% guys talking about hunting and fishing stories. I learned more from my community college and on the job training. Then I did in so called class. I perfer the non-union enviroment alot better.

@FORD4LIFE73

6 жыл бұрын

John ur right i was non union never knew about union i joined apprenticeship program at 23 and at 28 graduate got my ticket now I'm make 30 bucks an hour working as a maintenance electrician at a plant 7on 7off shift and have health retirement pension I'm ibew local 995 baton rouge Louisiana best choice I ever made this dude doesn't know what he missing out on u can't become a journeyman in two years there is too Much to learn i learn new shit all the time

How come you speak about union wire and and you still work rat. I am a member of 520 and I am a 3rd generation . Union is the only way to go. So get off your but and go down and get yourself organized. By the way I can go 6 months without work, if I wanted. Also your facts are wrong on being let go . You learn that in the union.

IBEW stands for, "I Barely Ever Work". Yeah the pay is great, but, you're just "temporary help". Average work, 2 months out of a year.

Unions are for people too lazy to hold down a job. I Been a non Union industrial electrician for 15 years. Never been fired or laid off. I make about 3 dollars an hour less than local Union guys and I don't have to pay dues.

@ajlapidus1697

7 жыл бұрын

Scab

@bigun3113

6 жыл бұрын

Sounds like you pay $3 dollars an hour for those non-union dues !!!! which I'm sure is much closer to $15 an hour IF yo counted the loss of benefits as well.

@OSCmedia1992

6 жыл бұрын

But you’ll be working until your dead because your 401k will only last so long and social security is a crap shoot especially at a measly 900 a month. Pffft I’ll be retired at 62 with 60+ pension credits bringing in over 5k a week. Good luck with that

@s.n.9485

6 жыл бұрын

Hey dumbass, according to your numbers and an average $40/month dues, you've lost just over 80k the past 15 years by not working union. And that's not even counting the benefits.

@mhernandez8971

6 жыл бұрын

Brotherhood. One word, you lost because you will never experience it. We take care of ours, you cut corners to make someone else money, we do quality journey level work no matter what . Saves money and time.