For me the 400 freestyle world record still belongs to Ian Thorpe

@aussiescotsman4145

11 ай бұрын

When they are actually using their skill and not multi fucking million dollar NASA suits Thorpe would probably still have it

@yesmk000

10 ай бұрын

​@@aussiescotsman4145i mean thorpe still had a better suit than the ones we wear these days. but i agree, this is a mroe impressive swim than the current wr

@Matt-fr5qm

6 ай бұрын

@@yesmk000yeah bro, thorpe went a 3:41 in a training suit at the 1999 pan pacs, unfortunate that only the last 50m were recorded, he was 16, in a trainer he didn’t even have his black suit yet, mental 😅

@Ineddiblehulk

5 ай бұрын

@yesmk000 Thorpe’s suit was not a scratch on what they have today. It was textile and it wasn’t as advanced as his competitors here. The full arm was also a hindrance which is why no one else used them.

Without any doubt he had the best swimming style of the history of swimming

@DonostiGros

2 жыл бұрын

Sun Yang

@casiecase12

2 жыл бұрын

Agreed, smooth and gracious

@jussef2057

Жыл бұрын

Actually we analyzed this race while we did our coaching license and this race most definitely wasn’t ideal.

@jasonstevenson110

Жыл бұрын

@@DonostiGros No.

@sergiocorrea1999

Жыл бұрын

Totally agree!!!!!

I love British commentators. They are usually the least nationalistic and always seem to just be a fan of great talent. They don't need their people winning all the time or get defensive when they don't *cough* like American commentators *cough*

@mathewridgeway7391

2 жыл бұрын

I've noticed that too. They don't mind taking the back seat and observing..and they always seem genuinely neutral...

@donna25871

2 жыл бұрын

Well the British swimmers were half a pool behind.

@stuflikethis

Жыл бұрын

its funny because to Americans cant initially hear the difference between brits and aussies

@L14Mswim

Жыл бұрын

Rowdy be like 😂

Ian Thorpe was the beat freestyler of history... 100, 200, 400, 800, 4x100, 4x200... Monstre! Especially 200 and 400!!...

@yesmk000

10 ай бұрын

katie ledecky

@Ineddiblehulk

5 ай бұрын

Katie has a superior 1500, but Thorpe’s 100 is superior to hers. Thorpe is a 400 swimmer who could win at 800 and medal at 100. Katie is an 800 swimmer who can win at 1500 and was able to medal and win at 200. Same range, but slightly different events.

What an amazing stroke Thorpie has. So smooth the distance he travels through the water with each stroke really is something. Legend.

@kevinjukes9966

2 ай бұрын

😅

Anyone else think he could have broken the 3:40 barrier if he took another stroke instead of gliding?

@griffingushman1077

9 жыл бұрын

He could have... And Biedermann wouldn't have put his world record away.

@riccapozza

8 жыл бұрын

+eh ehi there was no time/space enough for another left stroke

@tadficuscactus

5 жыл бұрын

I was thinking that too.

@toivonencresto

5 жыл бұрын

He did in training ;)

@Jeph629

Жыл бұрын

Correct! Always BLAST INTO THE WALL!!!!!

Thorpe has the most graceful freestyle stroke ever

Still the WR in my mind

@verward

5 жыл бұрын

In my opinion we should see the textile world records as the real world records and see the super-suit records of 200-2009 more as fun trivia facts.

@BlueHopi144

4 жыл бұрын

yep

@Thediamondduck11

4 жыл бұрын

Amazing that it went down only .01 with the super suits. Just shows how good of a swimmer Thorpe was.

@BlueHopi144

4 жыл бұрын

@@Thediamondduck11 he is still a Legend 🤗

@Romans8-9

4 жыл бұрын

@@Thediamondduck11 And its the oldest textile record in long course.

The world record has only gone down .01 a second and it was with the super suits. Just shows how good a swimmer Thorpe was.

lol Speedo did a very good job advertising this suit as an advantage. The reality is, it isn't. Most swimmers tested the same exact suit as Thorpe and had the chance to use it but they went slower in it. Aside from that, Speedo and Adidas were two of his biggest sponsors so of course he was gonna use every chance he got to advertise that fact. Sydney Olympics basically trademarked Ian to forever wear this full body suit so he couldn't wear anything else even if he wanted to. It became part of his 'Thorpedo' brand. Whenever you saw this full black body suit at the starting blocks, you knew you were in for something special. It's basically one giant speedo, the same material as the shorts and body suit. The banned suits are made from completely different material. Now THOSE are the suits that held an advantage for swimmers. Which is why everyone wore it! If the suit Thorpe was wearing gave an advantage, best believe every other swimmer would've worn it too, just like they all wore the banned suits. It was the person that made the suit. All these people saying his suit made him win don't know squat. His stroke, his technique and the way he moves in water is like watching Picasso paint or Mozart playing piano. He's a master. An artist. Like watching a shakespeare play on the West End. While Phelps is the greatest swimmer of all time, Thorpe will always be the king of freestyle. I'll much rather watch Thorpe swim freestyle than watch Phelps swim different kinds of strokes. Funny that, had Ian stuck to training for Individual IM maybe we could've seen a Phelps and Thorpe race in that!

@kidsofjokes

8 жыл бұрын

So true

@jonathantikhonoff9755

6 жыл бұрын

So you are saying that Thorpe could have been faster than this if it wasn't for the suit?

@marlingod

5 жыл бұрын

If Thorpe had access to an arena glide-x like Biedermann was wearing in 2009 you better believe world records would look very different.

@tenningale

5 жыл бұрын

2002 Thorpe would've hit 3:35 in a 2009 suit. And Phelps and Thorpe did do an IM race in 2003. Phelps won of course. We'll see sub-3:40 in the future, just haven't seen the right athlete come around.Sun Yang is good, but he's a little behind Thorpe.

@hmkls2542

5 жыл бұрын

WAT EVA Are you an idiot? LOL. If it wasn't an advantage do you think Thorpe would wear it? Wow the sheer stupidity of some people

It's hard to believe this would still be the world record 20 years later, if it weren't for the supersuits. Not only that, he would have been holding the world record for 23 years in a row to this day, since August 22nd 1999. Since January 1st 2010, the next fastest time in textile by a clean swimmer is Elijah Winnington's 3:41.22 at the 2022 FINA World Championships, which is still 1.14 seconds behind. Crazy how Thorpe's time has been practically untouchable all this time, (this is excluding the 3:40.14 by Sun Yang* from the 2012 Olympic Games).

If he took one more stroke he would of been under 3:40, that glide cost him that barrier.

@propulsious7495

8 жыл бұрын

Same with sun yang in 2012 lol

@rownadoherty

8 жыл бұрын

+random channel 101 Nah, there wasn't time/space (which are actually equivalent).

@toivonencresto

4 жыл бұрын

Rowan Doherty there was time for sure

You know how far swimming has become when you hear someone say "Fantastic Turn" and the swimmer pops up before the 10m mark...

@ferencorosz9753

2 жыл бұрын

And its way worse nowdays. The rules should have been more strict. Its absurd they can swim 15 meters underwater. The short course swimming is unwatchable.

This was IMO the pinnacle of his career. The announcers talk about how he's only 19 and still growing, and he managed a couple gold in Athens, but it was basically downhill from here.

@zenokalo7438

2 жыл бұрын

That’s because he got depressed and retired…

@donna25871

Жыл бұрын

But still beat VDH, Phelps, Hackett et al in the race of the century at Athens.

@tenningale

Жыл бұрын

@@donna25871 True, he just under 1:45 in the 200 free, which was an OR at the time, but 3:43.1 in the 400 was 3 secs off his '02 time

@saadjsayed

Жыл бұрын

​@@tenningale It was also because he added the 100 free. Your middle distance time goes up when you get into sprinting

@AlonsoRules

9 ай бұрын

After Craig Stevens had to be "bribed" to give up his spot, Thorpe went downhill.

I think if the super suits weren't even a thing, I would bet money that his record will still be standing.

Without the relay events, only the indivudial events he is: olympic medallist in 100, 200 and 400 free, wordl record in 200, 400 and 800 free and wordl medallist in 100, 200, 400 and 800. Best freestyler ever🏊‍♂️🏊

Sun Yang is shaping up to be one of the greatest mid and long distance freestylers of all time.

@kdavies3105

4 жыл бұрын

He's a drug cheat

@saadjsayed

Жыл бұрын

​@@kdavies3105 Everybody's a cheat. It's just who gets caught

Can you say that his technique is king of all? So smooth.

@Hmkls

10 жыл бұрын

It was the suit he was wearing that made everything look smooth.

@toivonencresto

5 жыл бұрын

No one had and will ever have such a perfect Technique. The ‘PERFECT stroke’. Greatest freestyle swimmer ever.

@toivonencresto

5 жыл бұрын

Hmkls you clearly know nothing about swimming.

@toivonencresto

4 жыл бұрын

Unmatched.

@liamoconnor434

4 жыл бұрын

Brandon T his head position is kinda high

One of the best swimmers ever

Different material. Biedermanns suit allowed you to float higher which makes you travel faster through the water. Whereas Thorpe suits gives no significant edge over any other suits and is more of a personal preference.

Its crazy how hes able to breath every stroke and not gas out. Pure talent

@sebastienwenger9089

3 жыл бұрын

Wdym? All top swimmers breath every stroke

@carlosfast12

Жыл бұрын

More amazing is how he is able to breathe on both sides without losing rythm

This is the real record in the 400m Freestyle IMO and I consider Phelps' 200 free from Beijing the real record in that event too. Biedermann never went sub 1:44 in the 200 free or sub 3:43 in the 400m free after those suits were banned. It just sucks that Thorpe glided to the wall instead of taking an extra stroke. He would have been 3:39.8ish and would still have the record

@jameson566

2 жыл бұрын

Yer, that's the painful bit. A literal nobody from Germany in a plastic suit turned up and got both records, then took the suit off and was never seen again. Both of those records, especially the 200m, are going to be extremely difficult to break. FINA should really delete all the WR's from 2009.

@ferencorosz9753

2 жыл бұрын

@@jameson566 still nearly half of the world record are from 2008-2009. This makes broken world records like Milak in 200 butterfly way more insane.

@ferencorosz9753

2 жыл бұрын

@@jameson566 his results from the 2007 World Champinship is beyond joke. Biedermann was like 3:47 swimmer in 400 meters before the "magic" suit.

Oh my gosh I don’t even care if Mark Johnson lose because Thorpe is the greatest swimmer in the 21st-century

Thanks for the upload I've always wanted to see the older WRs that are super fast like this one!

@sdh106 Biedermann in european championship in Budapest this year did 3.46 and he arrived second... (remember that thorpe did this time when he was 15) biedermann without the x-glide can't do anything -.- Thorpe is the true King of 400 freestyle

thanks for posting this x

Ian Thorpe : The greatest Freestyle Swimmer of all Time. Only Sun Yang Technique may be compared with Ian's, but The great chinese hasn't The stellar kick of the Aussie Master. For The ones Who are BLA blaing about Ian's suit shut up, there is no advantage and was only a business thing, he Also swam qualification without it during olympics. If Ian should had swam with supersuit now we'd have had 1.39 in 200 and 3.35 in 400

@Felo1337

8 жыл бұрын

+Toivos4 The suit wouldn't help that much. The best textile time for 200 free is 1:43.14 set by Agnel, with improvements visible on the first and third lap, making 1:42.80 something possible. A bodysuit would bring that down to 1:41.5 or somewhere in that range. With the 400 free, a quality race could bring the WR down to 3:39 something and the suit would make it 3:37.

@toivonencresto

8 жыл бұрын

+Question PR2 i was talking about an ipothetical race if ian with Biedermann’s Style supersuit and a Full boost race, in 2001 he was capable of way better Times in 200 but at The Time he raced controlling his main opponent starting Full boost only in The last 75/50 m. To me 3.35 and 1.39/40 low could had been achievable

@toivonencresto

4 жыл бұрын

David Pumpkin have done a last stroke now we’d have a 3.39 WR

The funny thing is that his suit is almost as good as the new suits today. If you don't believe me just look it up.

What a swimmer, absolutely majestic

I remember watching this when I was so young. I couldn't get my head round how he could just keep going. And hey, 2 British swimmers in a world class final!!!

Ian thorpe is still the best swimmer in 400m freestyle

@toivonencresto

4 жыл бұрын

Thorpe is the Greatest Freestyle Swimmer Ever

I like his swimming soooooo much. 🙏

Thanks so much.

His swimming technique 💕💕💕💕💕💞

Wizard of freestyle.

we love you Ian Thorpe

Hope Short or Winnington can redeem for Ian Thorpes WR, and finally have a real WR

only 200k views?! this is arguably one of the most legendary races in swimming history!

Wow this was released before Biedermann’s 3:40.07 in the description it still says “still the world record.” The one that almost got away.

@SovietYugoslav

10 ай бұрын

Got away in my book 🥱

Such a lovely champion! So powerful and so effortless, so fast and so smooth..

Thorpie my fave swimmer!

gorgeous

I still find this video inspiring, I miss this goi :(. I can't wait to see what he does for the 2012 olympics ;D if he'll qualify

The fabric is everything mate....

Thorpe would have swam this in under 3 minutes if wore a NASA -space- swimsuit.

Clarification, it wasn't a Speedo brand suit. It was the Arena X-Pro Glide.

Impeccable.

I wish I could go back in time and tell Thorpe to take that last stroke instead of gliding into the wall. He would've gone sub 3:40 and no one would've ever come close to that. 20 years later and there's still no one who can do it. What a shame that this isn't the WR.

@mschauer97

2 жыл бұрын

100% agree.

@blinasdf

2 жыл бұрын

Agree 1000%. Out of all the controversies and travesties in the history of swimming, this one stands out as the greatest - Biedermann's 400 WR. Particularly given how far everyone is away from Thorpe's time, incredibly, 20 years later. No one has come close. It is still Thorpe's WR for mine.

@jameson566

Жыл бұрын

@@blinasdf Biedermann was a joke. Wore a suit, got a WR out of nowhere, then disappeared when the suits were banned. I hold out hope that one day FINA will go through and delete the remaining plastic suit records.

@blinasdf

Жыл бұрын

@@jameson566 I do too

@terencechua3489

Жыл бұрын

@jameson Gosh i finally watch this 400m WR and boy did he really glide at the finish instead of taking 1 more stroke. Sub 3:40 it would have been, and a WR till today.

yeah but i think he was even better in 2001 i think he went too easy in fukuoka to save energy for a very demanding schedule. i believe he could've probably gone even below 3 39 in that race but guess we'll never know

If only Grant won he's my fav swimmer and hero

Rick Say in lane 8 only started swimming year round in University (18).

yeah thorpeeeeeeeeeeeee

I agree with you pierangel.. you have to remember that people today are sensationalists...if you tell them that hoop earrings help swimmers break the water faster, then everyone will wear them AND claim that's why there are soooo many world records...i was watching a race a little while ago where ALL the swimmers had the Lazor suits on and Levaux was NOT wearing one and he broke the world record..twice in two days.. this goes to show.. it's THE SWIMMER.. not the suit. WINK

Yes they did. The initial LZR suit used the poly but wasn't completely poly. Jaked, arena, blueseventy and various others made the complete poly suit.

ian is amaysing

really like thorpe, Biedermann is a good swimmer, but I really feel he is shamefully just beat this one by 0.01 sec and with the latest swim suit which is not legal nomore, and he definitely didn't perform good enough after the suit been banned

@Romans8-9

7 жыл бұрын

They should erase all super suit world records. It is a huge injustice to people like Thorpe..

@ralphbourgeois5875

4 жыл бұрын

@@Romans8-9 While Thorpe did not have the same suit as people here (2009 was when it reached its all time height in insanity of course) he also had much better and more advanced suits than you see today and before the late 90s started. Don't kid yourself. Do you see anyone wearing a long full body eel suit today? Yeah exactly. If they really wanted to eliminate super suits times they would have to eliminate every single time from all of 98-2009 and that would include all of Thorpe's too. Period, no questions asked.

@Romans8-9

4 жыл бұрын

@@ralphbourgeois5875 Thorpe´s 2002 swim is still considered a textile record. Most swimmers disliked the full body suit worn by Thorpe including Michael Phelps, that´s why most swimmers didn´t wear them. If Phelps said no to it, its pretty obvious the suit didn´t have any advantage. Also, Thorpe did a 3:41 to break Perkins WR at Pan Pacs 1999, in a pair of speedos. Very doubtful Thorpe gained any advantage. At least Thorpe put up similar numbers. Biedermann´s swim came out of nowhere and then disappeared. The guy never even won an olympic medal.

@ralphbourgeois5875

4 жыл бұрын

@@Romans8-9 "Thorpe's 2002 swim is still considered a textile record." Sorry but that is bullshit. Simple question, would you be allowed to wear a suit anything near Thorpe's 2002 suit today, or anytime before 1998? Yeah exactly. The fact that Biedermann's 2009 suit was still way more advanced and better which I don't dispute does not change the fact if they wiped out all suit WRs nothing from 2002 and years before 2002 would remain is a fact.

@ralphbourgeois5875

4 жыл бұрын

@@Romans8-9 All you are saying is subjective mumbo jumbo. OF COURSE Thorpe is a better and greater swimmer than Biedermann by a long ways, you don't have to convince me of that, LOL! That is not even a question, and irrelevant to anything I said. I am only pointing out the undisputable fact is if the FIS elminated all suit WRs any WRs from say 98-2009, would be removed in every single womens and mens event. Unless there is someone who set a mark that was wearing a suit like say Popov wore, which I don't believe occured ever other than Popov's 2000 50 metre WR which I think has been bested in a textile since 2010 anyway. So no the WR would not fall down to Thorpe, I think it would be Sun Yang holding, don't know for sure and would have to look up to know, but it would be whoever set the fastest time outside the 98-2009 period. It is pretty simple.

@silviagelain Actually that's half right. Biedermann Wore the Arena X-glide suit, which one upped Speedo's LZR, and broke both Phelps's and Thorpe's records.

ahhh remember watching this :')

Watch the video about how Thorpe's suit is made. It is the same thing, just with sleeves, but with less advanced fabric.

Correct me if im wrong is he looking forward?

If you havent noticed, even the commentators talked about Thorpes suit. Theres a reason suits like his arent allowed anymore. His suit makes him stay on top of the water easier which makes him faster. I doubt hed be able to get anywhere close to a 3:40 without the suit, even then.

@jaredohanlon8078

7 жыл бұрын

OwnedzFtwPk wrong

@aydenlim1186

Ай бұрын

He can go 3:40 bro or even breaking the 3:40 barrier

@j asuaje Which country are you from again?? Probably from one of the counties who continuously accused Ian of steroids but failed to prove anything simply because he didn't use any. As for the body suit, Ian broke his first world record when he was only 15 and WITHOUT the body suit. So that settles the matter of bodysuit. Yes, now the bodysuits are not allowed but in those days, anyone could have won it. And some even after wearing it failed to win let alone break records. So the credit goes to Ian- the swimmer, not his bodysuit. Incidentally I'm not from Australia, in case you're wondering

I think you are right. I watched that finish so many times now. He could have made one giant last leap or lunge and just touched the wall with his left hand.

@Virus278 : Well, you said 'What about Phelps?', which is a very vague question. What, exactly, are you asking about him?

Wow total domination by Australia.

you're right but by polyurthane i meant the amount of polyurthane used in the jaked and arena suits used in 2009

@MitchSwimming You must still take note that Ian Thorpe had a true FULL (having his full arms covered) body suite on when he swam which was soon made illegal. As I do think Thorpe was faster,the suites did not make that great of a difference. They kind of cancelled out.

@MitchSwimming no doubt thorpe will always be the worlds best 400m freestyler and possibly 200 meter freestyler

Go Thorpey

yeah i felt sorry for him when lineaker said the commentary guys were happy to see his record go

To tell you guys the truth, I think Thorpe could've went under 3:40:00 if he probably took one more stroke. His finishing touch wasn't the best since he drifted into the wall. Usually, you want to come into the wall..still a World Record. Fabulous swim!

I go to the same school as ian thorpe use to go to

Had he taken an extra rapid stroke instead of the long glide towards the wall he’d have been under 3:40

Do they even make or allow any suits to cover the arms anymore? And boy that thing holds bubbles in that last underwater shot!

what was the commentator talking about? "60 lengths of the Olympic pool" isnt it 30? 1500m = 2 lengths per 100. 15 X 2 = 30

he could have gone under 3:39.99 if he took one more stroke at the end

@gusyrocks i agree popov, thorpe, hackett, phelps are my favourite swimmers Biedermann and Mellouli are fruads!!!!!!!!!!!!!

the greatest swimmer of the modern era

@maxchbaro1464

2 жыл бұрын

Phelps exists

@silviagelain it was an arena x-glide

@silviagelain it was the arena x glide, not speedo.

@martinkenadams I dont think you understood what i ment. Just saying look it up. And i didnt say that the suit was better or just as good. And id you catch that i was talking about Ian Thorpe's suit?...

Phenomenal race and perfect efficient technique, phelps will have no chance against him in 2012

@Virus278 : What, exactly, are you asking?

i know. thorpe messed it up with that glide. they were talking about him going under 3.40 but he blew it on that stroke. if he had gone under 3.40 his record would still stand today. and with the suits now back to what they were, the record could has lasted another 5 years at least.

@splitkostanjeuma thanks, but then why does he wear it?

@seb5356 yeh adidas swimsuit isnt the swimsuits that are banned and lots swimmer dont even like full swimsuits because there tight

There's this one guy who swims freestyle like a backstroke...forgot his name though. He's famous of course - not sure if he swam in the olympics but he very well could have.

the only time i've seen thorpe actually have an aggressive finish is on relays , his 200 free vs VDH in 2001 and his 800 vs hackett

Kind of makes me hate the polyurethane suit era because in my experience the leg skins and full body suits in textile, while decreasing a very tiny bit of resistance, were more a sensory preference, while the polyurethane suits absolutely put the swimmers higher on the water and made it easier to go faster times. It really screwed the 400 and even more so the 200 in long course. Beidermann was not as fast as Thorpe but now has the record from 2009 with a time that probably would have been 3:43 at best. I'm not saying Beidermann wasn't a great swimmer but he was not as good as Thorpe. And in the 200 free the only swimmers to be faster than Thorpe in a textile were Phelps and Agnel. Phelps because of the underwaters, and Agnel with sheer speed. But in the 400 free no one has come close to this guy.

HERE HE SWIMS HERE SWIMS SPEED RACER

イアンソープの美しく力強い泳ぎを見れないのが寂しい

@MitchSwimming hahaha, I agree, I agree. Thorpe was the better swimmer. However, no slight to Biederman. Everyone in Rome had those suits, so Biederman was the best of 2009.

Do someone has splits (and last 50 splits) for his WR of 7.41.59 -. 7.39.16 (800) , 3.40.14 and 3.40.08 (400) and 1.44.06 (200)?is avalaible a video of his 7.39.16 (i've only see The underwater one )

@ismailballer4life

7 жыл бұрын

Vi Thorpes last 50m was 26.04seconds in his 800m WR of 7:41:59. One of his best finishes.

@toivonencresto

4 жыл бұрын

Mohamed Ismail yes, but what about his 7.39.16 last 50?

@SovietYugoslav

10 ай бұрын

@@toivonencrestoit was like 25:4 or something crazy like that

Yes, you sure do.

@XanthiJr So you don't approve the one which was set by Paul Biedermann.

3:00 race starts

Streamlines are how close your arms are together after you push off the wall so you have less drag. His don't look too efficient since he only touches his index fingers. Otherwise, yes, he could have been better than he previously was had he not quit

exactly! biedermann should have slowed down and showed respect to this record...

if biedermann hadn't got that bloody speedo suit, THIS would be the world record.

@qwaep Yeah, but it didn't have the high-tech material the x-glide has. Without that suit, Biedermann is nothing. The world record is still 3:40.08, and I doubt anyone will come close to that for a long time.