“Just go meet people bro”

How sad this issue is demonstrates that we live in a sick and isolating society!! When are the mainstream media going to start reporting on the sheer scale of loneliness and toxic cultural influences tearing apart peoples lives and making people vulnerable to very damaged people.

@matthewdancz9152

Жыл бұрын

Fixing societal issues impacting men doesn't make money.

@wilfredsterling2124

Жыл бұрын

@@matthewdancz9152 Sadly, this is the problem. Targeting of men and people in general with manipulative ideas and fake solutions is the job of marketeers. Massive amounts of money is spent on these manipulations. The algorithms are set up to target vulnerabilities creating serious problems for individuals and society at large. Those responsible continue fucking smiling and issuing statements about how the health of their clients well-being and lives is important to them. They then go on about being a force for good. I'd love to see Zuckerberg in the dock/ with his metaverse face smashed to smithereens!! (on saying this perhaps I'll be getting some content coming my way that inflames my temperament into violent rage and red cloud thinking!!). Bastards!! And that includes big sections of the media!! Shock jock SCUM who pose as political commentators!! Also organisations like Cambridge Analytica!! How can they even think they are a force for good and deny their culpability!!! How can they be confronted and dismantled!! Once again, bastards!!

@anderson-gb8rp

Жыл бұрын

No one cares about men, most men don’t care about men either. This is why we need MRA‘s, unlike feminism.

@Anythingyoulike2013

Жыл бұрын

report what, its fixable, fix it, the power is in your hands ! ! ! ! !

@wilfredsterling2124

Жыл бұрын

@@Anythingyoulike2013 I watched an interview with a man who worked for google. The first step is to change the algorithms so they don't keep reinforcing violent and discriminatory ideas/eg hate speech. Also forcing laws on the likes of Musk and Zuckerberg to fact check content and prevent disinformation from spreading. A lot more can be done. I'd break up these big tech companies and/or have elected democratic oversight with neutral interests of those overseeing. Also the education system needs to have the the expertise and resources to teach children about corporate manipulations. If I could implement that I'd need a huge amount of power Taj Singh. Plus I'd also need to draw on a lot of expertise and research. As for loneliness these companies and governments would do well to improve people's quality of life/ rather than playing on insecurities and stop stigmatising legitimate political movements .

In the 80's, walking my dog in the evening or on a weekend, I used to pass entire streets of men of all ages standing round cars they were collectively tinkering on, discussing all sorts of things. The mechanical cars provided an ever present, non-alcohol based occupation for inter-generational male community building. Cars today may be a lot more comfortable and are definitely a lot more reliable and safer, but I regret the loss of the activities they gave rise to, the friendships and discussions they made possible.

@Harry._.Thompson

Жыл бұрын

well those cars are still there and modern cars can still be modified however the price makes it a lot more difficult

@jamesburden6807

Жыл бұрын

I hadn't noticed this change until you mentioned it - so true

@planefan082

Жыл бұрын

@Soul of a robot Can play games, build other things, play sports, create art, go hiking...even seen adults play tag. Seems like a good time

@lewiswhatley687

Жыл бұрын

To be fair, groups of young men still do gather around and talk about cars. They're usually treated as a menace though

@user-jr2ue9nu6y

Жыл бұрын

Bro we cant afford cars. Let alone homes like in your time. Simply having a job now isnt a gaurantee of a successful future like days gone by. Why do you think people who flooding to online worlds. Its because its the only place we can achieve anything.

In a way the internet is like the Untempered Schism from doctor who. You stare into it at a young age and to quote David Tenants doctor: "some would be inspired, some would run away, and some would go mad"

@johnmilius3031

Жыл бұрын

Like The Master, who only heard the sound of the drums from that point onward.

All of the commenters say how this man is sick and needs help and I agree he must change his attitude on women. But I doubt any of you people could abstain from sex for 20 plus years and stay sane😂

@thedarkestknight8381

Жыл бұрын

Exactly is so funny

@thedarkestknight8381

Жыл бұрын

All the people who criticize inkwells are all in relationships

@bornwithoutconsentobviously

Жыл бұрын

@@thedarkestknight8381 inkwells 😂😂😂 you learn something new and tragic everyday…

@kathyheyne6030

3 ай бұрын

Still sane here.

@streetchronicles9025

2 ай бұрын

⁠​⁠@@kathyheyne6030don’t be dense, you know this doesn’t apply to you

"Bruh just meet people, so easy for me" Look who's talking.

@beganitdidnt6535

Жыл бұрын

i think they just want us to do stupid sh1t so they can say "ha i told you so"! other than that they dont care about us and just want us gone aka d3ad

@j.d.s.1837

Жыл бұрын

@@beganitdidnt6535 His debunk for blackpill was literally that "it's wrong because it makes all in/cels go ER" (like 30% of men would do that JFL) and that "when I ask women they say it's all about the personality, bro". I can't even imagine how he'll react if someone tells him people are capable of lies and the earth is actually not flat. His whole Disney universe collapses 🤣🤣🤣.

@beganitdidnt6535

Жыл бұрын

@@j.d.s.1837 these people are insane and shouldnt be taken seriously unless the time for doing so arises other than that im just chilling working out and making money😎 normies are the violent ones

@j.d.s.1837

Жыл бұрын

@@beganitdidnt6535 based.

@Euro2024champs

Жыл бұрын

@@j.d.s.1837 ok, incel. Blackpill doesn't need debunking because it's so fcuking ridiculous only a halfwit would believe it. Your conspiracy based reality is far more Disney like than his.

we are all living with and suffering from a range of cultural disorders and we keep on locating the issues within the individual.

im an incel im not mad or angry at women i just accepted the reality of dating and moved on, attraction is natural and scientific you cannot change it, the reaction women have towards when you're around them will decide everything.

@maxirunpl

11 ай бұрын

Nice way you've chosen I'm 17 and was talking to this 4/10 maybe 5/10 girl and went on a date, because I know I can't afford anything special, or maybe I can? I don't think so looking how my life has been. Gonna give up on dating complitely when I hit 30. I'm going to focus on my career the most because it's my only chance to stand out from others.

@paulleach3612

8 ай бұрын

Dude, the notion that physical attractiveness is a dominating factor is absolute tosh. I've got a face like a melted wellington boot - but liaised enough that even Hugh Hefner would have applauded. Humour and the ability to hold a conversation matter much more.

@paulleach3612

8 ай бұрын

@@maxirunpl The simple fact you value people on a scale of 1-10 is why you're possibly struggling on the dating scene. You go out with someone because you like them, as a person, forget looks. Everyone is the same in the dark...

I think that aspiration culture and the selling of sex=happiness has a lot to answer for on this. I mean, advertisers spend millions on making sure people are suckered into the aspiration. Sure. Most people don't end up on these extremes. But, as someone who has had body dysmorphia, social anxiety - and as a consequence - a worldview coloured by that, I can see how people's perspective can become very skewed. I was just lucky enough to have a small handful of decent friends to keep me in an orbit of normality. Social awkwardness means less friends, means more time spent looking from the outside in, means you don't get rounded experiences or a good view of people and the world. Gym culture. Young investment culture. MMA. Everything seems to be geared around an obsession with being as Alpha as possible, and it's sad to see. I'm old enough to have been young in the 90's, and the emphasis on masculinity, success, fun, sexuality etc was completely different. A lot freer and multifaceted, that's for sure. Not to get all hippy-shit on people. But, the youth desperately need some kind of Age of Aquarius or Summer of Love or something to come along soon. Where they get to shed this skin of hyper-aspiration, and just chase happiness on their own terms. A secondary concern of course is the cosmetic surgery industry that seeks to profit from these people's unhappiness. Leg lengthening surgery??. I mean, FFS..........

@jonsouth1545

Жыл бұрын

We really need to help people realize that your self-worth has nothing to do with who you are dating. We put too much value on sex and the opinions of others and to be honest nowadays I have zero interest in dating but that's ok my feeling of self-worth is not based on who I'm shagging, there are so many other ways to contribute to society and live a good and productive life but we tie our self-worth into sexual relations.

@somebloke2238

Жыл бұрын

TLDR

@harsh3948

Жыл бұрын

Cosmetic leg lengthening surgery became popular because of the women’s obsession with height. A simple look at short man’s dating app performance will show you a night and day difference than someone who is 6’3

@painunending4610

Жыл бұрын

I agree that the 'turn on, tune in, drop out' philosophy of the hippy movement needs to come back in a big way. People aren't getting anything out of this society anymore and need to reject it

@painunending4610

Жыл бұрын

@@jonsouth1545 why would anyone want to contribute to a society they get nothing out of?

If more people like Ben Zand just went out of their way a little bit to invite less popular loners out for a night out that would massively help reduce the Incel problem but most people think about themselves and only want to hang out with people who have more status or equal status... honestly if it wasn't for certain mates of mine who invited me out when their other friends told them not too but they still invited me out I might have been an Incel forever!

I’m going to watch this documentary. I don’t usually admit this but I never properly went on a night out until I was 26 and I’m a virgin at the age of 27. I always just assumed I was ugly or it was because I have aspergers, though I never engaged with the incel community, but when I went on nights out with a friend who pushed me to talk to people, there were women who were interested in me. I think it’s because I moved somewhere else with a more lively nightlife. Though I have experienced unfair behaviour from young women which were being labelled weird and having someone make false accusations against me as part of an intentional ploy - I can understand how anyone who experiences or have experienced these things may be drawn to the incel community. Perhaps ‘weird’ could be interpreted as an ableist slur.

@GreenMorningDragonProductions

Жыл бұрын

When they say "weird" I think a lot of the time they mean a man's awkwardness makes them uncomfortable. Really though, you do get blokes who've got a face like a bulldog chewing a wasp, but who are well-liked by women because they're comfortable in their own skin. You'd be surprised how far just being polite, engaged and relaxed can take you. Not easy, I know, for a lot of lads, but getting out there and practicing again can go a long way.

@michalovesanime

Жыл бұрын

I'm really starting to get annoyed with all of these men acting like women can't and don't have the same experiences. There are so many women, who can't get dates, who get called weird or are insulted or not even treated as human because for a lot of men their treatment of a woman is based on her attractiveness. The difference is that most of these women talk to other women, find hobbies etc to distract from it. Most of them just do their own thing while trying to make themselves more attractive by doing other things. The word incel even originated FROM A WOMAN, describing her experience with loneliness. 🙄 and a lot of people are called weird, I've had no issue finding partners. Weird is basically another word for peculiar, strange, out of the norm etc. Not everything that describes something negative or different is ableist. Crazy etc yes abeilist. But weird isn't only connected to or used to describe people who are neurodivergent.

@deebo27

Жыл бұрын

It was great to read your comment. I have a 20yr old Aspergers son who struggles with socialising but he wants to make friends. I try really hard to build up his confidence to speak with people. It really upsets me and I feel helpless to help him

@AD-cc7bj

Жыл бұрын

@@deebo27 statistics show it doesn’t look good at all for autists later in life and that it only gets worse

@steve00alt70

Жыл бұрын

Who cares if your a virgin at 50 I dont lol

you should do another documentry on older ones in there 30s/40s

chad ask why poor timmy deosnt have jawline chad demands timmy grow taller chad is confused when this deosnt work guys you havent taken your daily 7 showers, thats the real secret

Who'd have thought a toxic society, where look are quite literally everything. Think of all the cosmetic ads you've seen, all the taglines, all the clothes ads or shoes etc, everybody's got to have the latest this and that and everybody has too look their best 99% of the time. No wonder people feel so undervalued when society has literally said to us every day since we can remember that we have to look our best, be at our best and if we're not then we're not good enough in general, never mind the product being sold. Once again I've arrived at the conclusion that this can only be described as a byproduct of hyper-consumerism/capitalism and the only end goal is profit. All the rest of it, animal testing, incels, tax dodging, is just part of the game, and we, the consumer are not only expendable, but willingly accept that this is just the way things are and it's not right.

@simonkorica9467

7 ай бұрын

Most shoes are garbage not even good for walking outdoors, clothes that are in now will be considered tacky next year if not in less time (mabye even just a month). All extra expenses for what? To be rejected cause in the end no matter what you buy, stature and jawline is far more important than what you wear. Looks don't matter yet sex sells? Is all insane if you even think about it for two seconds.

I feel like "incel" has been deeply redefined.

@roberto8650

Жыл бұрын

@@tomstarwalker I haven't had sex or any intimate contact in ten years. Incel. Unfortunately, everyone's so focused on 4chan trolls that they aren't aware of a whole community of men in this situation.

@roberto8650

Жыл бұрын

@@tomstarwalker Old women in my town tell me they would've loved me when they were young -sixty years ago. Little comfort to me today. I'm a successful lawyer, I play the piano, I've traveled. But, critically, I'm quiet, terribly introverted and quite ugly. What am I going to do? Die alone, probably.

On the subject of internet causing fewer places to go to get some sense of belonging, I actually think it's the opposite--the availability of places to go is far higher but they all happen to be online. The availability of places that promote this kind of life are far more easily accessible (free) when compared to traditional means of help. Further, these kinds of online communities also retain that level of anonimity that undoubtedly contributes and encourages to theis end.

There's a great podcast called 'Boys Like Me' which is a fascinating insight into the world of 'incels'... young vulnerable men being self-radicalised, while bad actors are grifting in the manosphere with no sense of responsibility

@zoranblackie5921

Жыл бұрын

@@tomstarwalker No need in the UK for any covid restrictions now, thanks to high vaccination uptake

@zoranblackie5921

Жыл бұрын

@@tomstarwalker I don't understand what are you referring to?

@zoranblackie5921

Жыл бұрын

@@tomstarwalker Sorry to hear that - where I live in the UK there are 6 approved COVID vaccines for public use.

@zoranblackie5921

Жыл бұрын

@@tomstarwalker Great :)

Sorry, some of your commentary is deeply ignorant.

@Rage_Harder_Then_Relax

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for no explanation why...🙄

@Euro2024champs

Жыл бұрын

ok, incel.

@roberto8650

Жыл бұрын

@@Rage_Harder_Then_Relax I charge 250€ per hour. Happy to explain.

The diversity of joe's political content is awesome

@RatherFatJewishMan

Жыл бұрын

Wtf it's all far left

@OrangeCanna9468

Жыл бұрын

@@RatherFatJewishMan oh come on, how are incels far left? Far reich more like..

@RatherFatJewishMan

Жыл бұрын

@@OrangeCanna9468 no I mean Joe. Hahaha not the incels

@dannyT123wakeh

Жыл бұрын

😂😂 that has to be bait

@RatherFatJewishMan

Жыл бұрын

@Awoke Awoke no I mean joe

The documentary was dishonest and heavily biased

@Euro2024champs

Жыл бұрын

ok incel. Incels are dishonest and heavily biased.

There’s nothing wrong with incels

@Rage_Harder_Then_Relax

Жыл бұрын

As long as they keep it to themselves...I agree

@Euro2024champs

Жыл бұрын

ok, incel.

@kareemabdul1

Жыл бұрын

Their faces are wrong according to nature and females

@MrJimheeren

Жыл бұрын

As long as they stay in their room jerking off. Sure. Sadly they also kill people every once in a while

@jasrajsandhu1658

Жыл бұрын

@@Rage_Harder_Then_Relax I want their rage to spill all over the world

Wish this platform would have invited a person who really understands what this phenomenon is and let them educate everyone. As bad as the incel culture is we have no one infiltrating their forums and trying to snap them out of that 'spell'. Great work really and appreciated but these guys need help for their sake, the sake of their families and everyone else's. Doctors, scientists, nurses, need these platforms to make there professions more appealing. Please please invite them in.

@mianzahid8744

11 ай бұрын

There is no spell to break. Most girls hate Indian guys like me unless they are old and overweight looking for a beta to provide money for them

I've met a few incels in real life, as well as many online, and they were among the most hateful and vicious people I have ever come across. They were also among the most mis-guided and vulnerable too. Almost all of them had the same story. They weren't popular at school, didn't play football, were maybe a bit overweight or had bad skin etc, and they had been quite deliberately ignored by the cool kids. To be cut off from your peer group at that age is extremely damaging, emotionally and socially, and they had never gotten over it. They sat in thier rooms, hating thier classmates and turning that hate in on themselves, until hate is all that was left. There was no positivity in them at all. They're not the captain of the sports team, with a nice car and a cute GF, so to hell with all those losers. To hell with everybody. That's when vile manipulators got a hold of them. All it took was for them to type in something like 'How to meet girls when you're fat/poor/ugly' and pretty soon they're down a rabbit hole, where articles with names like 'Woman are gold digging b*tches' and 'Why men are under attack from rad-fem' tell them that they're not getting what they are entitled too because of some conspiracy to wipe out everybody that isn't a 6ft tall lefty soy-boy snowflake. It doesn't take long before blame is laid at the feet of the NWO and the Jews. The people behind this are, unsurprisingly, extreme right wing anti-semites, who befriend these poor souls and convince them that they're being targetted by a shadowy cabal whose end goal is the replacement of white males. It's tragic, but I have no idea what I can do to show them that they're being used. That might do even more damage in the long term.

@lambseekh3619

Жыл бұрын

It’s the dark web, these people are chronically online

@klang180

Жыл бұрын

Thing is that most of us weren't cool either, that was a very small 'elite' but that didn't lead me or anyone I know to become incells.

@theurbancrystalhealer6952

Жыл бұрын

You have a good heart.

@j.d.s.1837

Жыл бұрын

Damn, not playing football was the changing factor in my life, that is from where it all went downhill 🤣🤣🤣 (especially in Europe with American football) I'm left wing, pro LGBTQ+, anti Capitol stormers in/cel so nah. Your theory is just that. A theory. This video just gives off this whole cartoonish look on in/cels where we never leave the basement and are all NEET'S and big fans of violence. Sadly, like ITV states, hard work is for ugly people, good looking ones network their way up in society. Which means most in/cels are actually working members of the labour market. I don't even have time to watch in/cel forums or post on them. Radicalization happens in real life, through unprovoked things like snarky comments on your face or being pushed against lockers in HS. Later being excluded by coworkers etc.....

@morgannyan2738

Жыл бұрын

yup can confirm nevermind the grapists, murderers or thieves no the virgins who say mean things about women are the most hateful people on the planet, just lol

i agree with much of this video although i don't think that incel = mass murderer in the making. 99.99% of "incels" have lives of quiet desperation that end in the same silence they existed.

@metasequoia3097

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, in fact 99,9% of incels are actually quiet people who are not prone to conflict. But I guess I'm just repeating what you said in a slightly different manner.

“Just reapply to life just get a job bro”

Tried to watch the doc on All4 and it's currently not available?

@luckystar60

Жыл бұрын

Was about to say the same thing

@ceciliecerise

Жыл бұрын

you can watch it on Channel 4 Documentaries KZread page!

@luckystar60

Жыл бұрын

@@ceciliecerise Oh nice one, fantastic, thanks for that 🙂

These men are prayed upon by mentally disturbed, narcissistic "destroyers". They transform the souls of the solitary into something dark.

@SJKKA

9 ай бұрын

Stacy calls ugly men narcs. Women and their psych terms need to end.

I think part of the issue is that they’re looking at dating and mating from a business transactional perspective. They’re not realizing that there is a level of reciprocity in that but it’s not a business market where you’re buying items. In dating and mating, you’re dealing with actual people and not objects. In order to deal with actual people, this is where social and emotional intelligence or at least a modicum of it is very imperative. Looking at people as objects to obtain for self satisfaction won’t get you to the goal. The incel has to understand that the images that are portrayed on television, movies, and other means of entertainment are not reality based. The alpha male is not real. A woman will want to deal with you if she actually feels comfortable around you. Again, feels comfortable around you. If one goes around projecting hatred about women and giving off non verbal communication that’s awkward/off putting that’s part of the issue. A lot of these guys that they envy have taken “losses” too. Shoot, there’s prime time pimps and players out there who’ve been knocked for their women. That should give the incel perspective that their expectation in this regard is unrealistic. With that, you have to actually be in social settings and places where the opposite sex is. The world is not going to stop spinning and coming to they’re room or basement. The world and life is happening outside of that. I’m willing to bet that if they actually got their social skills right and went into a cool social setting then they will likely find that there’s women that are checking them out. This incel thing sounds like some mentalism spell being ran in them by predatory individuals who have a stake in having them as listeners and customers. The secret is that there is no magical secret to achieving this stuff. It’s all lies and bs. Do not fall for the spell.

@watitduful

Жыл бұрын

@Boon2000 In a broad sense there's truth to that. In the proper context, the "transaction" is really just having a mutual love and respect for one another. Everything else connects from that and gives the relationship substance and longevity. What these others are talking about is a literal transaction which is not rooted in love and mutual respect for one another. Its rooted in selfishness and objectifying the other partner as well as oneself. Quite a few people sadly fall into this particular category and wonder why their relationships always fail. You can't be self centered/selfish & seeking to dominate your partner if you want an actual loving and caring relationship. It will never work. We are human beings, not commodities to be owned and controlled.

@lesshuman00

7 ай бұрын

There are no social settings in this day and age. And if there are they're all filled up by couples

its not brainwashing if you experienced this sht first hand then you could agree its the truth me for example ive had 2 girls leave me for better looking guys when something like this happens to you over and over again it takes a toll like you arent good enough no matter what some guys just have it like this it is what it is 😮‍💨

@j.d.s.1837

Жыл бұрын

Respects for getting 2 girls in the first place. Never had any female friends my entire life, they despised me ever since kindergarden. But yeah, first hand experience blackpills you more than any forum or video.

@triangle0078

Жыл бұрын

you are mogging me, foids dont even be friends with me

@beganitdidnt6535

Жыл бұрын

@@triangle0078 if u think getting both of your friends sloppy seconds is mogging.. but yeah that was over ten years ago in highschool social media wasnt as common i guess having social circles was the key for me getting "success" even tho very short lived now i know where i truly stand in the eye of females now

@Euro2024champs

Жыл бұрын

personal anecdotes are worthless evidence to make huge assumptions on. You had bad luck.

@Euro2024champs

Жыл бұрын

@@j.d.s.1837 You'll never please everyone so don't try to.

The link in the description says the episode isn't available?

@ceciliecerise

Жыл бұрын

you can watch it on Channel 4 Documentaries KZread page!

@RaheemD

Жыл бұрын

@@ceciliecerise thank you

It's not viewable on the C4 webtsite - "No episode available to watch on demand"

@ceciliecerise

Жыл бұрын

you can watch it on Channel 4 Documentaries KZread page!

@sarcasticstartrek7719

Жыл бұрын

@@ceciliecerise huh how silly of them - their own site doesnt allow adblocks, they'd make more money that way haha! thanks I'll check it out

Ah the classic method of finding somebody deranged to portray a entire group as. it’s over.

Mocking mental health , your work is so good

It's alright for you Chad you can get anyone you want.

@gatotcka5017

Жыл бұрын

You should be ashamed of yourself 🤡

@dearestbrotherfrank

Жыл бұрын

@@gatotcka5017 why you 👨‍❤️‍💋‍👨?

@bornwithoutconsentobviously

Жыл бұрын

Cope and rope will always be a solution. You know that right? ❤

@Steve-kl3yl

Жыл бұрын

He can't, he literally can't.

@rahuldahoob

Жыл бұрын

​@@Steve-kl3ylhis gf is a gorgeous award winning journalist

most incels are no where near as far-gone as the ones in the documentary. I wish he spoke to normal incels

@johnmilius3031

Жыл бұрын

Sadly, most media only deal in demonizing and fear-mongering to gain viewers.

@iamnotoforiginald9206

Жыл бұрын

He very much did, including a few friends of mine, but these people only took the worst possible content they came across online. Disingenuous dogs.

@Oakland510

Жыл бұрын

@@iamnotoforiginald9206 oh wow. Sorry to hear that. I had a feeling this Benjamin was full of faux empathy and just wanted to monetise his work. Shame

@Euro2024champs

Жыл бұрын

@@Oakland510 so just like the manosphere grifters who pray on these spotty nerds.

@Euro2024champs

Жыл бұрын

@@iamnotoforiginald9206 ok, incel.

Adults who don't work, whether self-employed or as employees, continue to face a crisis of connection. It used to be primarily retirees one thought of as having too much time on their hands and getting increasingly isolated and curmudgeonly. Now it's happening before these young men even start working, delayed development, failure to thrive. I retired early, while still young enough to do pretty much anything I could ever do physically and mentally, but have still taken several years to fill my life with fulfilling activity. It's hard! It's that much harder when you've not yet developed practically useful skills to contribute to the world nor confidence in people wanting to interact with you. I feel for these young people. I can only imagine how painful it would be to go through what I did post retirement only with no money, no track record of success, and no useful skills in the economy. All they've got on their side is time, and to them even that feels more like a burden than a blessing. This is inspiring me to include a mention of getting outside and engaging the world in some way in all my online content going forward. If I could have one affect on people, I hope that it could be encouraging people to engage with life more.

@djam7484

Жыл бұрын

no track record of sccess. "check" No usfull skills in teh econmy. "check" it sucks

@johnsampson6387

Жыл бұрын

I struggle to even get the most basic of jobs (I'm a white guy with poor social skills). I'm in Canada, and I mostly see women and ethnic minority men working at all the jobs I apply for. I only seem to be able to get the jobs that few other people want to do, such as garbageman.

@goodwork887

Жыл бұрын

@@johnsampson6387 If that's the only job you can get, take it. The main thing is to get something on your resume and have a reference who can vouch that you show up on time, don't cause trouble, and do the job you're hired to do. Without that, you're asking for too much of a chance to be taken on you, particularly if as you say you have poor social skills, which likely means you interview poorly. Which is another thing: I have Aspergers so it was always hard for me with social stuff, but I learned to mask well, at least for the single hour it takes to have an interview. I got so good at it that I later taught interviewing skills as a volunteer in a church program. If you don't even have Asp. then you can surely learn to perform effective interviewing even if on a daily basis you'd do better working solo. On the identity stuff, don't get caught in that trap! The world is telling you that everything comes down to identity politics, but it's a lie. I have many times been the only person of my race on a job, many, many, many times! But I wouldn't have been if I'd looked around me and said to myself, "I must not be wanted here because no one else looks like me." Tell yourself the story you want to live. And consider picking the job and training for it, rather than waiting for a job to pick you. Focus on ones that don't require social skills perhaps, like stuff with data, machines, etc. Being a garbage man might actually be a good start, since you just work with machines and maybe a single co-worker, but any job will do. My first job was canvassing. It sucked! It's a completely social job. My first job after college was data entry. Also very low clout job, but at least all I had to do was focus on a computer all day. My work career started hard, but ended well, so no complaints. Hopefully you'll someday be able to say the same.

@johnsampson6387

Жыл бұрын

@@goodwork887 Garbageman was a worse job for me because of having one other co-worker that I was expected to make painful awkward forced small talk with. I preferred working in bigger groups so other people could make the small talk and keep the conversation going and I could sort of fade into the background. I don't mind working...that's fine...but to make small talk and try and entertain my coworkers and try to think of things to say constantly was like a whole other job to me. That's why I'd much prefer to work alone. I did work retail for a bit and it did help me develop some social skills because I was forced to interact with others...but that wasn't so bad because there was a script for me to follow when interacting with customers. If there's no script for me to follow socially (such as with small talk), then it's just a excruciatingly painful awkward mess for me with long lulls of silence because I have no idea what to say. I have gotten a bit better with time as I've just learned to copy what other people do or say in certain situations, but a lot of it still feels very forced, like I'm an actor or something. My natural state (what doesn't feel forced) is straight-faced and speaking in monotone and saying very little...and I have come a long way from that. I only mentioned identity politics because it seems as though white males are discriminated against in many western countries. Like if they see a white male's name on the resume, he won't even get called in for an interview. I've heard of people doing experiments using a female name or an ethnic minority name on the exact same resume and all of a sudden, they are getting calls for interviews. There seems to be a push for "diversity" in the workforce (a.k.a. less white males). I didn't pick a specific job to train for because I'm very indecisive. There's no job that stands out to me that's something that I would want to do...just jobs that I maybe wouldn't mind doing as much as others (such as jobs that require a lot of socializing). The way I see it, there's no point in me training to become a computer programmer or web designer or something if I can't even hold a basic job. I would just waste all that money on education/training and I wouldn't even be able to pay it back. That's why I tried to see if I could even hold a basic job first.

@goodwork887

Жыл бұрын

@@johnsampson6387 Have you ever been tested for Aspergers? So much of how you experience things is similar to how it was for me in the world of work. I'm so thankful that I eventually strung together enough 7 month jobs that I developed valuable work skills. Once I had skills I could start my own business, working from home. I think a lot of folks with Asp. really need remote work. The post-pandemic world may present more opportunities than ever before for that reason. Good luck! And happy Thanksgiving.

Alright Chad

@Rage_Harder_Then_Relax

Жыл бұрын

You're not bad yourself...😉

JFL my sides, who is the brocel who trolled this journalist?

@bornwithoutconsentobviously

Жыл бұрын

Brocel 😂😂😂 you people do love expanding your terminology as days go by, don’t you?

Joe is actually wicked these days...

Individual cases of psychosis finding each other by means of social media & organically creating a culture by the very fact they are freely exchanging thoughts on a large scale. Got to love the modern world. We did see this all coming , but did very little at a gov level to deal with it.

The whole thing is just depressing through and through. There is no point in pointing fingers at whose fault all of this is in my opinion. Wether you wanna blame the culture or the isolated indivuals themself it doesn't really matter. We are all to blame equally in the end. Maybe this seems a little bit too gloomy coming from me but it seems like this is a trend that is going to continue as we are entering a time in which fundamentally human connections are harder and harder to find. People like to make fun of Incels instead of looking deeper into what is going on. I feel allot of empathy for these people. I'm not trying to make myself seem like a saint but I sure as hell also don't wanna make fun of people who feel like they are nothing but a burden to the rest of the world. Its a sad world we live in.

Good insight here.

It's not available on All 4 but I found it on KZread a very good documentary and the way you treated the guy when you took him out for an evening in Southampton was an eye opener and what a great young woman you happened to be sitting next to as well.

@armitatavakoli9711

Жыл бұрын

Could you please send me the link of the video you found on youtube cause i desprately wanna watch it and i cant find it. Thank you

@ihavenoname4273

Жыл бұрын

@@armitatavakoli9711 kzread.info/dash/bejne/nYaZx9GEn7Lciqw.html here is the link.

@armitatavakoli9711

Жыл бұрын

@@ihavenoname4273 thank you.

@goodwork887

Жыл бұрын

If you found it here on YT, could you share the video code? (The part of the URL that comes after the YT website part). Thanks.

@salerio61

Жыл бұрын

It's now available on 4OD so maybe I jumped the gun by a day However the YT link is ?v=kReeoKoOvZI on the C4 KZread site

Hated this guy, dude tried to assert moral superiority in his so called 'documentary' by lambasting a guy who made a song to creatively express why shooters commit mass shootings. Ironically he was the type of guy that propagates the extreme actions of incels by demeaning them in any way possible with his condescending/ignorant attitude.

its sad you have such an absolute and at the same time verry simplistic vieuw of this, there are alot of layers of gray and nuance in this, i think personally that incels are not all these extremist monsters its like saying all muslims are taliban... the truth is that looks are an important part of life there is no denieing this there is enough research around to prove this... is this justification for social isolation ? no ... but there is no denieing that we live in a society where your face mayby will not brake or make you but it will give you an unfair advantage or disadvantage in life and i certainly get why this could make you depressed when other things in your life arent going well either

@SubhumanMisanthropist

Жыл бұрын

High iq comment made by someone who can’t seem to spell correctly lol. Goes to show that some truths don’t require any education to understand.

@simonkorica9467

7 ай бұрын

The frustration boils down to envy. I'm aware is not others fault that I'm the way I look, or that somebody else got it better due to a genetic lottery. Is just hard to feel a point in working hard on yourself when others don't even need to struggle just cause of the fact they look better and are treated better from it. You say your face doesn't make or break you, but is easy to get fixated on it when others demean or praise you soley based on the first impression. I dont know if there is a solution to all this beyond trying to become more attractive, since I doubt the insecurity will go away by just telling myself it doesn't matter as much as I think.

I don't like the word Incel, it's too broad and fundamentally meant as a insult. I've seen trans and autistic people get called it because they struggle to find romantic partners or socially fit into groups.

@bobsmith5441

Жыл бұрын

Yeah they're incels then.

@Euro2024champs

Жыл бұрын

trans and autistic people arent misogynistic conspiracy twats, that's why incel kid.

@watitduful

Жыл бұрын

Struggling to get a mate doesn’t make one an incel. It’s simply a case of having to reassess what one is doing to understand what may be hindering them.

@watitduful

Жыл бұрын

I say that to say the incel crap is a fluke. It’s fake.

@simonkorica9467

4 ай бұрын

I mean the Incel to Trans pipeline does exist. A lot of this boils down self resentment and body dysmorphia. I've had a very deterministic view of life since I was diagnosed as Autistic. Only the fortunate can afford to belive in a just world.

Wow well first off Ben Zand is a really decent guy, evidently by the way he talks, what a heart to go and find these people, let them have a voice. i think the biggest part of the problem is that these people feel ignored and have become convinced they have no voice, no outlet to get second opinions and conspiracies debunked

@anderson-gb8rp

Жыл бұрын

second opinions = bluepilled bs

@Rammspieler

Жыл бұрын

No he is a liar. I know some of the people he interviewed and he basically lied to them and made them out to be worse than they really are. The femcel, M, for example is actually a really sweet and kind young woman.

@anderson-gb8rp

Жыл бұрын

@@Rammspieler There are no femcels, there is no such thing as a woman that can't get laid. They can claim to be femcels all they want, they simply aren't.

@LunakieCherrie

Жыл бұрын

@@Rammspieler how do you know? where's proof about M?

@Rammspieler

Жыл бұрын

@@LunakieCherrie Because I know her?

The manospere is depressing and I worry for those who lose touch with reality.

@spec214

Жыл бұрын

Blackpill is reality

@thedarkestknight8381

Жыл бұрын

@@spec214get ‘em tell him brother

I think he is exaggerating the incels reaction to everything. 😂

@Euro2024champs

Жыл бұрын

you're an incel aren't you?

@diyhandylapse9941

Жыл бұрын

Most men are Incels in denial(80%), you coping and living in denial of this reality is simply a way to look away, ignorance is bliss. Beta buxing or jester maxing doesn’t exclude you from this inevitable truth.

@diyhandylapse9941

Жыл бұрын

Tinder is real life boyos

@DavidW-ng5zv

Жыл бұрын

@@diyhandylapse9941 I asked out my Tinder crush irl and got attacked by eight men.

I've never understood the concept really though. Is Incel the ideology, in which case the ridicule is probably fair, or does it literally just refer to men who haven't been romantic or sexual with women, in which case it seems like punching down a little

@keanuwamae9262

Жыл бұрын

It’s both but most of the time people mean the ideology

@keanuwamae9262

Жыл бұрын

It’s both but most of the time people mean the ideology

@AB-gb6zz

Жыл бұрын

It is a self imposed/selected name from those who espouse these extreme ideals and wallow in self pity, anger and a sense that the world owes them something, I agree that otherwise it would be punching down. I think in street parlance now people may use it as an insult against people who don't adhere to these ideas but find themselves in that situation which is a bit sad for them lol.

@Gloamy17

Жыл бұрын

"punching down" is a bit of a silly term imo 😂 it only serves to curb discussion and prevent rationalisation and normalisation. But the definition of "Incel" mostly applies to the self-imposed definition of their own ideology. Of course, it's also used an insult as is the common result with definitions based on negative features.

@happymaskedguy1943

Жыл бұрын

You never heard of the phrase punching down?

“Just go to gym bro”

Had no idea about incels and how the interviewee connects with mental health instead of judging and trying to bring out into light to help and make aware to outside world. When we loose our focus from Jesus and meditating on BIBLE. Fear of many things from the world creeps in. Thanks for making it aware without judging. It is on the bridge of bigger problem for this generation.

it says it isn't available to watch :(

@ceciliecerise

Жыл бұрын

you can watch it on Channel 4 Documentaries KZread page!

Surprisingly great insight into the subject

@hmq9052

Жыл бұрын

You'd know?

@AJ-nl6qn

Жыл бұрын

@@hmq9052 No, that’s why it’s a good insight as I don’t know why these lads are so angry or why they are Incels. It seems part of being an Incel is trolling.

@xtdycxtfuv9353

Жыл бұрын

It’s actually a terrible report.

@SubhumanMisanthropist

Жыл бұрын

@@AJ-nl6qn nope this who doc is propaganda most of the people aren’t even incels. Goes to show how easy it is to fool normies jfl.

The whole incel thing seems like a self reinforcing cult

@xtdycxtfuv9353

Жыл бұрын

It’s a condition, not a cult. You might even be one without recognizing it.

@jodders619

Жыл бұрын

@@xtdycxtfuv9353 'Condition'!? Nope. I'm definately no incel, happily married and been with the same woman nearly 20 years. Still a mystery to me why KZread prompted me about this comment after 2 months though...

@xtdycxtfuv9353

Жыл бұрын

@@jodders619 You are then from a completely different generation. Zero perspective.

@jodders619

Жыл бұрын

@@xtdycxtfuv9353 Some men have been awkward around women since time immemorial. When I was in my teens that was definately me. Did I ever bemoan my lot with the ladies when I was young? Of course I did. Did I ever assume that I had a right to sex or a relationship with a woman? Never. My first wife was a horrible person who made me feel worthless. It took some time to get over. I have physical scars from that relationship. The thing to remember about situations like that is that my first wife was one person, not an avatar for all women. Incel groups only seem to offer a chance to wallow in the misery of where things went wrong with no consideration of where change and improvement could occur. If people only ever tell themselves they'll fail it becomes a self fulfilling prophecy. I'll freely admit it's a challenging 'habit of thought' to get out of but it's possible. Read widely, have opinions, have interests. Speak your opinions and things you've read, somebody may have a counter opinion or agree both are fine. Neither be an ogre or a doormat relationships will happen. Romantic ones? No guarantee. But being hostile and focused on the failings of women to recognise your uniqueness will 100% leave you lonely and isolated.

@xtdycxtfuv9353

Жыл бұрын

@@jodders619 It’s not awkwardness 🤦‍♀️ it’s about not being desirable to women and the effects of exogamy and, incidentally, hypergamy. Tinder and other Online dating apps reveal what has been suspected since the first incel became privy to it: only looks matter. This is more true the closer to twenty you are. At your age, looks are of much less importance for a relationship. But for the 2000’s crowd, this is very applicable. Unattractive guys get nothing, and if you happen to be repulsive, that’s just it; expect a life where you are socially isolated. Incel groups, as you call it, are really just depressed and resentful men. That’s the majority, and they are regular in other aspects. I know somehow misogyny gets brought up, but it’s no more common in incel groups than in any other.

Damn Zuckerberg has made us all so lonely, detatched and mentally ill.

I had been an incel at various points in my life but I wasn't part of any online community or anything. It was just pretty rare when a woman would choose me. And no, I wasn't a hermit. I worked in the restaurant industry, acted in community theater, and did vocals for some really good bands for years. Truth is, people are going to go for the best they can get and when you're 5'7" and don't make much money, most women feel they can do better. It doesn't make them terrible and it doesn't make me terrible. It just is. And while I can understand the feelings of rejection these guys have, they aren't acting in good faith. I can't count the number of times I had women turn me down and sometimes very rudely (laughing, getting upset and cursing that only shrimps approach them, or stating they would if I wasn't so short) and how many dates I went on to find out it was just another night out by myself but that's just how it is. These guys "know" it will be a terrible experience so they refuse to act in good faith. So, yeah, I get how it sucks to be rejected but until you've tried in good faith for years, it doesn't hold much weight.

@metasequoia3097

Жыл бұрын

Let me ask you this: if women already look at me with disgust and contempt, you think I'm going to even make the fucking effort to talk to them, let alone flirt and ask them out? You think I'm going to engage them if they don't even show any kind of interest in the first place? How's that supposed to work? And yes, I did have my share of tries and it led me fucking nowhere but a darker and darker place. Failure after failure just grinded me down. Lemme me guess, you're gonna tell me I didn't try hard enough won't ya? Just can't win with you motherfuckers. If your live is so damn nice why do you "care" about the struggles of others? Don't pretend to be empathetic to anyone's plight in life, you ain't.

@kenl3805

Жыл бұрын

@@metasequoia3097 Sorry But I won't tell you that you need to try harder. Nobody can use effort to make a woman physically attracted to them. It's impossible. The only thing that you can do is forget about them and enjoy life for the countless other things that it offers. Relationships are in no way the key to happiness. In fact, at least half the time, if not more, they are the key to utter misery.

@metasequoia3097

Жыл бұрын

Yeah I get that many relationships go down the gutter, often for the dumbest reasons, though I just can't accept that I will never have that kind of intimacy in my life. Wish I could and just move on already. Another big issue that I can't control is how I am always confronted with that fact of life whenever I am outside: Couples, people kissing nonchalantly, sex-sells advertisement everywhere you go. It's driving me nuts. Apologies for my tone just then, by the way.

@kenl3805

Жыл бұрын

@@metasequoia3097 apology accepted. I know it's hard to believe but I do understand where you're coming from. Do you mind if I ask how old you are? I'm 50. Not that it means all too much but I have gained some wisdom over the years. I'm not going to tell you what you're going to hear from most people because what most people have to say is coming from a life in which they hadn't struggled with relationships.

@metasequoia3097

Жыл бұрын

@@kenl3805 30, sir. No idea what else to say in response, I'm kinda blanked out mentally. And yes that's the truth, people like to give out "advice" which comes from pure confirmation bias (stuff like "if it works for me, it works for you!"). So, it appears you have actually been around in life? Restaurant, theater, vocals in a band. That tells me you know your way around socializing and probably body language too. Makes me think, if I ever saw you in reality I probably couldn't tell how you struggle romantically.

Who’s running these sites then? These people aren’t killing themselves but they’re encouraging their followers to do it. There must be some way to track these scumbags down.

His view of woman accusing him of rape if he approaches her is actually reasonable. I think if you look a certain way as a male it just kind of throws woman off, so it's their instant defense.

@shortbaldugly

11 ай бұрын

A woman punched me once bfor saying hi to her

I found the documentarian’s manner frustrating. In truth for him it’s all about pursuing his ‘work’ getting the recognition and perpetuating his career and status. The world has become so shallow and despite his faux empathy he is part of what drives it. We now live in a world of, ‘hit the like button’, ‘please subscribe to my channel’ not to mention the pursuit of followers and manipulated selfies. TV and film makers continue to cast the most attractive people in the key roles. Rarely do we see those considered less attractive to have prominent and valid roles. I think rather than being dismissive of how ‘incels’ behave or how deluded their views may seem, we must seek to take their concerns seriously and actually seek ways to change how people are actually valued. Regardless of what anyone may claim here, attractiveness, extraordinary talent or wealth are overwhelmingly the only attributes given any credence in todays world.

@BigBlack81

Жыл бұрын

"Regardless of what anyone may claim here, attractiveness, extraordinary talent or wealth are overwhelmingly the only attributes given any credence in today's world." Nothing like burying the lead, eh? LOL XD Seriously though, too right and much too real. THIS must change. Otherwise, we're screwed.

@AliDixon95

Жыл бұрын

they shouldn't be taken even remotely seriously

@user-ks1hp2pb5g

Жыл бұрын

@@AliDixon95 Why not? Would you be prepared to have a verbal convo about this too?

@AliDixon95

Жыл бұрын

@@user-ks1hp2pb5gBetter question, why? Why would you take absolutely insane 'concerns' seriously? If they are mentally ill, that is a whole other issue. Why are you asking a pointless question?

@philbennett1908

Жыл бұрын

@@BigBlack81 lol…perhaps I was bit over dramatic. I just think that if the problem is dismissed there will be further acts of violence that no one wants.

Every time a man looks at me I scream "help" as loudly as I can. For some reason, my husband, brothers & colleagues seem to dislike this but obviously all women hate all men so this is what we all do...🙄🙄🙄🙄 Where do they get these ideas from? Do they literally never leave their house? Don't they have Mums, aunts sisters? Don't tell them my best friend is a man: their heads will explode. 💥

@j.d.s.1837

Жыл бұрын

No, you just ignore the 80% of men you deem unattractive.

@fenlandwildlifeclips

Жыл бұрын

@@j.d.s.1837 I married my husband because he is a good honest, kind hardworking man. For me personally finding someone who liked me for the right reasons was a challenge. He treats me well & we've been together for nearly twenty years. He is type 1 diabetic and overweight now too, yet we remain married. Beauty is only skin deep. You need to get help. See a psychiatrist. Women aren't going to want to go anywhere near someone with extreme views who hates them now are they? Have you ever asked your Mum how she chose your Dad? Ever actually talked to your aunts/cousins/sisters? You must have women in your life surely? Do you really think they are only interested in men who look a certain way? #getalife

@j.d.s.1837

Жыл бұрын

@@fenlandwildlifeclips You don't ask people, you look at what they do. Actions speak louder than words. If I were to ask any female she would repeat the same old pattern you did. "Muhhh personality ...." and so on. But if you look at their actions, it differs. They all married guys taller than them. They all married guys who were decently attractive, like 7/10 or 8/10. But you gotta see: You left the dating market (at least I hope so) when you marries your man. That means you haven't lived through the technological progress done in one decade (2010 - 2020). In 20 years, from 2000 to 2020 the dating market has gone insane. In 2008 about 8% of men were in/cels. Now it's 28% closing in on 30%. You lived in a time where people were in a small village and only had like 20 or 30 peers to choose from. Now its a global market with global competition. That leads, as we know in economy, to a few global players who monopolize the good. Same thing happened here. It's just that only men complain because females ARE the monopoly, they are the only suppliers of intimacy globalization has led to that realization for all females. Now they can raise the price (required looks) without losing any customers (men) as there are 0/nada/null substitutes for the good (intimacy). Do you get why I'm frustrated?

@fenlandwildlifeclips

Жыл бұрын

@@j.d.s.1837 I haven't got time for this. You have two option 1) Speak to real women & get psychiatric help or 2) Carry on being radicalised by online idiots. It's your life. You chose.

@moa3813

Жыл бұрын

@@j.d.s.1837 Touch grass lol

Really fascinating and depressing. I'll most likely check out the documentary. I do wish though that Ben would leave out the remarks about his view of the "attractiveness" of the people he met. You can't have a solution to this cult that only works for people who are actually not bad looking, in his eyes.

Great video. Something I would like to add to the discussion around incels is that underlying problem of incels is the economy. It's been known for over 100 years now that as inflation increases the amount of sex people are having decreases. This is because it becomes more expensive to raise a child and thus much more dangerous for women to have an unplanned pregnancy which I believe is the real cause of what incels call hypergamy. Because of the economy it's much more expensive to socialise since our culture is based around consumerism and thus people are socialising less. Also parents are forced to more locate time and attention away from their children and more into earning money due to this the state has basically become the step in parent for a lot of children the problem here is that important skills such as socialising aren't taught in schools.

@gggg-ow8jv

Жыл бұрын

Shut up

@laminmbye-prior7147

Жыл бұрын

@@gggg-ow8jv why?

@gggg-ow8jv

Жыл бұрын

@@laminmbye-prior7147 You don't understand anything, you think you have it all figured out with your dumb economy example

@laminmbye-prior7147

Жыл бұрын

@@gggg-ow8jv what is it then?

@gggg-ow8jv

Жыл бұрын

@@laminmbye-prior7147 The simple solution is women have too many rights and not enough responsibility in society. But thats just a macro thing, the immediate problems incels face are looks, race, height etc.

Australia blocks this video where possible

This is the problem... This world view only supplied through the internet where you have these so cold " business men" or "entrepreneurs" like Fat and Foolish or Andrew Taint even though anyone with some common sense can see there scam artists... The real world is filled with so many kinds of people you have your 9 to 5s, cops, chefs, gangsters, people who live on the open road, people who have been across the entire world, people who have so many stories and life styles it's impossible to mention them all... And seeing people talk about things like " the war between genders" is ridiculous to most people which is why when people say this kind of stuff is getting more traction on the internet and we need to worry I heavily disagree... Yes lots of people who spent most of there time on the internet have these incorrect views and we know there incorrect, because it's factually incorrect you cannot say there true... But once again from people who don't have very much to do with the real world... In every day life most people and when I say most I mean 90 percent or more don't care about gender, race and so on... I've lived in many countries and have traveled a lot throughout my life and the incel world view is extremely rare and I've seen only one of them in real life and they weren't even an incel they has some sexist views, but that was it. Edit: also this specific gentlemen seemed have a lot of mental illness and the whole video game thing from the lady was also very sad I hope they do better

@gggg-ow8jv

Жыл бұрын

Shut up

@watitduful

Жыл бұрын

💯 Most people are living there lives and not focused on this fake online social media gender war crap.

These people need to watch Queer Eye for the Straight guy. No joke it would probable help a great many of them.

@morgannyan2738

Жыл бұрын

what about straight eye for the queer guy?

@painunending4610

Жыл бұрын

Why? I've watched a couple episodes but didn't really like it that much. How does it help?

@Rage_Harder_Then_Relax

Жыл бұрын

I don't get what you mean....Oh now I do as I'm writing LOL. Yeah those guys can help straight guys with what they need to wear, how to talk to women etc.. You may have something there

Hollyoaks are doing a storyline on this now with Eric… quite shocking really. I didn’t know what an incel was until I saw that

@anima6035

Жыл бұрын

Funny that, channel 4 got something to say huh. Fkin propagandists

This is that a grifter podcaster looks like than an actual journalist

Try going out with one for years.

Working in Mental health I see the producers and narrator actually mocking their subject Really quite average doco

I would find it very difficult without my church community in terms of building great relationships, especially when moving countries etc.

@Jay_Johnson

Жыл бұрын

Yeah these people need literally any in-person community.

@thedarkestknight8381

Жыл бұрын

@@Jay_Johnsonno

Well Im not tall, have loads of freckles and even more when I was a kid, bullied a lot. But when I went to uni I realised , girls like to laugh and have fun so met loads of girls , married twice. Never had a problem with the ladies and I am no Brad Pit never was , I just don't gettit .

@painunending4610

Жыл бұрын

Are you trying to understand?

@Rammspieler

Жыл бұрын

Whatever you say, boomer

@Rage_Harder_Then_Relax

Жыл бұрын

@@painunending4610 Yeah..and said he doesn't understand how they get there when he is no oil painting, yet still picks up women and married twice.

@painunending4610

Жыл бұрын

@@Rage_Harder_Then_Relax you're also making no effort to understand.

@DavidW-ng5zv

Жыл бұрын

@@Rage_Harder_Then_Relax her getting married to you doesn't mean she loves you/is attracted to you.

I am an incel

@bornwithoutconsentobviously

Жыл бұрын

And you’re proud of that?

@Khaliftimesoffical

Жыл бұрын

@@bornwithoutconsentobviously not any more

@drakecliff8378

Жыл бұрын

​@@bornwithoutconsentobviously being an incel is not what we incels choose its what we're destined to be.

Dear Incels, no woman has ever gone out with a man just because of their jaw line, being good looking helps but being a decent person matters way more.

@j.d.s.1837

Жыл бұрын

Attraction => Date => Interest => Personality. Not: Personality => Interest => Date => Attraction. You simply had a relationship and a scewed view due to nostalgia. You mistake the actual process and think backwards.

@katiePetsy

Жыл бұрын

@@j.d.s.1837 sexuality is different for women. Men are more visual so to you attraction means physical attraction. It's not that straightforward with women An example for you: the actor Matt Smith who plays Daemon in house of the dragon. He does not have a conventionally attractive face (I'd go as far to say he's rather ugly) but he is just magnetic. Go online and see how thirsty women are for him. He's super confident and quick witted in interviews. A funny guy can charm a lady into a date

@j.d.s.1837

Жыл бұрын

@@katiePetsy He is still 5'11, whyte and he has money to betabuxx. You see, I know a guy who is 5'7, whyte, pretty average, 6/10, very outgoing, a little overconfident I'd say and he talks to alot of women. The results in 23 years of lifetime: 0 girlfriends 0 dates 100% virgin. You see, now I debunked your whole statement, women are only attracted to people above 6/10 and who are shy. Do you see your logical fallacy? You take one singular example and expand it to humanity.

@musicbyella3769

Жыл бұрын

@@j.d.s.1837 do *you* see *your* logical fallacy? You take one singular example and expand it to all of humanity.

@j.d.s.1837

Жыл бұрын

@@musicbyella3769 I was trying to convey her logical error to her by making a similar one. Although, my views are actually based on studies, not feelings. If you feel comfortable enough to leave your Disney bubble of limitless equality in love, maybe research into lookism and the role height as well as an attractive face plays.

Its interesting, because Eliot Roger was convinced he was gods gift to women, yet incells frequently reference him..

@easytoassemble54321

Жыл бұрын

No, he wasn't convinced he was. If he genuinely believed that, he would have been a serial dater rather than someone consumed with hate for women.

@kronictonic

Жыл бұрын

From the videos I've seen of Elliot Roger he did repeatedly say that he was very good looking, but expected solely that would attract women to throw themselves at him when he basically never tried to talk to any women due to lack of social skills or shyness or whatever. He was a great example of someone who was completely delusional about how dating and relationships work and became a monster

@dylanfrazer4429

Жыл бұрын

@@kronictonic elliot rodger was 5ft 6, ethnic and had the bone structure of a 12 year old. In his manifesto he complained that the only guys getting girls were tall, athletic football playing chads. His looks were the primary reason why girls hated him. The guy had zero sex appeal and no woman is physically attracted to a 5ft 6 skinny weak guy

@katiePetsy

Жыл бұрын

@@dylanfrazer4429 there are plenty of accounts of his poor social skills. He used to physically attack couples out on dates (like throwing drinks on them). His personality was repugnant. His piss poor attitude towards women is why he was avoided by them

@dylanfrazer4429

Жыл бұрын

@@katiePetsy even with a good personality he wouldve struggled. He lived in california surrounded by tall chads

Was it Boris?

Femcel documentary when?

@_frangipani_

7 ай бұрын

Yes please. Femcel Lives Matter!!

Just another youtuber trying to gain popularity by shaming a group of marginalized men.

This is the most I've ever heard about incels. And this is far more insane than I ever thought. Smashing their face in with a hammer to improve their looks?

@johnmilius3031

Жыл бұрын

That's all you took away from this? The most extreme outliers?

@beganitdidnt6535

Жыл бұрын

@@johnmilius3031 hey if they want to solve ince/dom they should just legalize euthanasia globally so many of us never stood a chance😮‍💨 they dont want us here anyways as you can see by their aggressive and dismissive behavior towards us "problems arent problems until they show up at your front door"

@kzstu4404

Жыл бұрын

The documentary was dishonest and framed the people involved

@MGarages

Жыл бұрын

I've been an observer of the community and the broader manosphere for years. I've never seen hitting yourself with a hammer being promoted once, I have no idea where they found this guy. Looksmaxxing usually refers to going to the gym and doing the usual things you'd expect to be recommended to do to improve your appearance. The documentary clearly only featured extremes and intended to shock rather than inform.

@xtdycxtfuv9353

Жыл бұрын

Bonesmashing is an injoke.

It should be noted most sex for most people most of the time is solo sex. Applies to men, women, hot and not, in relationships and out

2:56 wow he is butchering this looool

❤️❤️❤️👌🏾

It literally gives women zero credit it's just like we are shallow sex obsessed blow up dolls. What do these guys think they came out of? If they're no oil painting how did their parents do it? Basic questions are just not asked.

@harsh3948

Жыл бұрын

A simple metric of a good looking man’s dating app profile who happens to be 6’3 shows this to be true

@heroicheretic2619

Жыл бұрын

@@harsh3948 what are you saying here? Dating apps aren't the real world, most people aren't meeting through dating apps, their out meeting through friends or in the physical world...

@harsh3948

Жыл бұрын

@@heroicheretic2619 I bet Amazon isn’t also ‘real shopping’ and it won’t affect the marketplace

@johnmilius3031

Жыл бұрын

Why do women reject so many men nowadays is the only question which should be asked.

@Rammspieler

Жыл бұрын

@@harsh3948 Based

CHAD! 😜

3.16

WOKEY COKEY

The Contrapoints "Men" video is also good on this

@totalvoid6234

Жыл бұрын

Generally much better really. But then Contrapoints always sets a high bar.

@beganitdidnt6535

Жыл бұрын

yeah a mtf sure knows about ince/s LOL

@Rage_Harder_Then_Relax

Жыл бұрын

@@beganitdidnt6535 Clearly you Don't Bwahahahahhahhahahahhah...Tell us how you'll fix the problem. You won't and can't. Transphobic won't help you either with that smug ("real" women or men know better than someone that has been both) remark. Which is funny as they know first hand what it's like to be both genders. Stay bigoted though. Incels will love you for it.

@beganitdidnt6535

Жыл бұрын

@@Rage_Harder_Then_Relax there are way less ftms than mtfs for a reason

@Rage_Harder_Then_Relax

Жыл бұрын

@@beganitdidnt6535 That means nothing LOL. Doesn't change a fact of what I wrote. You'd STILL do nothing to fix it. You won't even try because you have no idea how to even start.

There are so many threads in our society nowadays. All these incels should be under dense control. I am glad that NSA has the instruments to deal with it.

@anima6035

Жыл бұрын

Fascist tendencies showing there bruh

@SubhumanMisanthropist

Жыл бұрын

Most incels are completely harmless jfl. The vast majority of people who commit violence are extroverted males who have an abundance of sexual partners.

@Birbatron

Жыл бұрын

@@SubhumanMisanthropist source?

@armoureddanger

Жыл бұрын

showing to be very effective LOL XD

@metasequoia3097

Жыл бұрын

Because the NSA totally cares about some random virgin males lmao.

And allll of this is on women's heads to carry. You cross the wrong one at the wrong time, and it's your death or maiming. But go on, let's hear once more about the dire need for "men's rights." Someone says, I'm being hunted and slaughtered, and the response is, but what about *my* rights".

@morgannyan2738

Жыл бұрын

"You cross the wrong one at the wrong time, and it's your death or maiming" This happens to anyone regardless of gender, welcome to the real world you can thank me later

@ninsuhnrey

Жыл бұрын

@@morgannyan2738 Just fyi, when you leave comments like this, all you're doing is picking up a mic and announcing to the world that you're 1) young, 2) male, 3) haven't got a clue what's going on around you, but (∞→), you have a keyboard.

@morgannyan2738

Жыл бұрын

@@ninsuhnrey youre right i apologize for being born young and male, i forgot 50% of the population isnt allowed to "pick up the mic" and have their voice heard, some would say thats being sexist and ageist but not you right?

@Rage_Harder_Then_Relax

Жыл бұрын

@@morgannyan2738 OP's right you don't know what's going on.

@morgannyan2738

Жыл бұрын

@@Rage_Harder_Then_Relax cope

You have feminism to blame for this. Let's give them a round of applause. 👏👏

@TheReMorseCode

Жыл бұрын

Is the civil rights movement to blame for growing white supremacy in the west? Blaming an equal rights movement on worsening gender/racial/etc relations makes no sense. Conflict arises because previous structures of power are being threatened, and those in power begin to feel powerless in when they are taken down from that place of privilege.

@ellaverte2333

Жыл бұрын

I know it's like women are allowed bank accounts without a male with them! The audacity

@tprice1735

Жыл бұрын

@@ellaverte2333 Well, women have lied about finding me attractive, so...🤷‍♂️

@ellaverte2333

Жыл бұрын

@@tprice1735 like pretending you are?

@tprice1735

Жыл бұрын

@@ellaverte2333 Yes. They do this to unattractive guys for "fun".

I'd rather cut to the controversial nub of the issue: "Women do not owe you sex". There is an amusing correlate to this which I find is usefully phrased as so: A. Men tend to prefer capitalism in the market of resources and socialism in the market of sex. B. Women tend to prefer socialism in the market of resources and capitalism in the market of sex. Given men as a group are net tax contributors and women as a group are net tax deficits (can I stick links in this?) - an uncomfortable mirror issue reveals itself: "Men do not owe you money." The demands of socialism are extremely similar to incel ideology: There is considered to be an imbalance where some people end up with nothing and some people seem to end up with everything - the obvious capitalist response is: Sort out your bad attitude - the system works fine. To which a socialist says: No the system is unfair, and authority should by force re-allocate resources to those who aren't getting a sufficient amount from those who are successful at it in the free market. This is the exact same mentality as the incel: Rather than sorting out their bad attitude, a socialist blames the system and says things should be re-allocated so they can win even when they're losers. The logic is inescapable - incels are a product of leftism as well.

@Jay_Johnson

Жыл бұрын

Socialism is the ownership of the means of production by those who use it to produce value. People should own their own bodies. Neither Socialism and Capitalism relates to sex outside of the realm of sex work. Your comment portrays a really unhealthy transactionary view of sex.

@susanplatt5331

Жыл бұрын

@@Jay_Johnson thank you.

@susanplatt5331

Жыл бұрын

Seriously!!!

@fterimage

Жыл бұрын

@@Jay_Johnson Yes interestingly enough it's in vogue at the moment for the left to be pro sex work - but somehow I'm the one with the unhealthy "transactionary" [sic] view of sex? Unpack that one for me - bearing in mind you're basically doing good is good as long as I can stick in as many ad hoc clauses as I like?

@fterimage

Жыл бұрын

@@Jay_Johnson And don't get me wrong I think both sorts are contemptible losers: Seize the means of production / reproduction - it's the same f-ing thing, you're forcing someone to do "sex work" or "work" for you because you have a bad attitude to sorting yourself out.

Empower yourself, make friends, create, dance, be yourself, be included, get support, discuss politics, don’t discuss politics, whoever you are, whatever background, whatever gender, release anger and aggression in a HC scene. X

@jasrajsandhu1658

Жыл бұрын

I did all of that, I can't seem to be happy still

@gatotcka5017

Жыл бұрын

@@jasrajsandhu1658 thats because you always think about bubs and vegena

@jasrajsandhu1658

Жыл бұрын

@@gatotcka5017 indian moment am I righ??? Huhuhuhubuhu, anyways, sex is the least of my concerns, putin better nuke the privledged and happy people in the west

@thedarkestknight8381

Жыл бұрын

@@gatotcka5017OW TF CAN YOU NOT WHEN YOUVE NEVER SUCCEEDED WITH WOMEN ANSWER ME YOU DIMWIT

I hate being a currycel

That femcel is a scary.

Incel Snuff Movies?

Please do a documentary on the Far Right in Britain

Blah blah blah get to the point I don’t like you talking a lot

WOKEY COKEY