Like this comment if you think Xeno has an "L take" in this video

@queequegtheater6093

14 күн бұрын

I also disliked the video xffingf

@tylernunes8248

14 күн бұрын

i havent watched it yet but im preemptively assuming there is an L take for no reason in particular.

@KholdStare54

14 күн бұрын

Your argument is okay if you do stop for cutscenes in alliance raids where you can't do with trust, or dungeons pre-71.

@snizzle6174

14 күн бұрын

'whenever you play with other people, you have to expect they aren't going to play the way you wanna play'. Right back at ya buddy. I'm watching the cutscene and you can stay slightly annoyed about it

@OldManInternet

14 күн бұрын

Do I dislike the comment if I agree with you? Lol

1. It's not that much time waiting for others to watch cutscenes. 2. It's not a big deal entering a boss fight late because someone pulled while you watched cutscenes. So regardless of what happened, it's a nothing burger.

@garitobee7541

14 күн бұрын

Only place I'd let it slide is Thousand Maws of Toto-Rak and Stone Vigil. Those cutscenes before the boss are long as fuck, you can literally kill both of those bosses with 3 or even 2 people before the cutscene ends.

@Willias

14 күн бұрын

Exactly. I've dealt with people doing all kinds of toxic shit because someone pulled a boss before a cutscene was over. Fucking chill it's really not that big of a deal.

@masqlchris

14 күн бұрын

100%. This toxic mindset is what ruins communities. Especially when discussing the WEEK of launch and telling people they shouldn't watch cutscenes with other players. There is a reason that the game doesn't automatically skip the cutscenes when you aren't in Trust. I thought Vex may be a bit better, but it seems I cherry-picked the videos initially.

@MrGullisYT

14 күн бұрын

based

@CireLepeod

14 күн бұрын

I watch cutscenes in pugs because unless it's ARR. It's like 6 seconds. If the boss gets pulled. That's cool, if they wait, that's cool

trust is still newish but etiquette was already established to wait for cutscenes. so you want the etiquette to change when its already been established

@isaactheflaming12345

13 күн бұрын

Trust has existed since shadowbringers. But I agree we have an etiquette already set

@Delaqua.Gaming

13 күн бұрын

Agreed. And 99% of the community have no problem waiting. I actually surprised on Xenos attitude. It's actually toxic.

@Navi_xoo

13 күн бұрын

People never waited for cutscenes. This is why they made MSQ roulette forced cutscene and never made a scenario like Prae / Castrum again.

@idowhatiwant3557

13 күн бұрын

He is right though, nobody has to wait on you to watch the cutscene, and you can enter the boss fight after it is over. There is very little lost from pulling early. This community can go fuck itself if it thinks it can control how people play the game.

@doolenny9458

12 күн бұрын

Also a lot me include enjoy it more with people

Your attitude is so toxic man. I really disappointed. You playing a community based game but have no regard for your team. It seems your ego has gotten the better of you.

@DeadSpaceWing

13 күн бұрын

You're only just noticing this? He's always been like this!

@woofaloof7836

9 күн бұрын

"Community based game" lmao where

@conroyII

8 күн бұрын

This community based game, honestly feels like a solo MMO after 1 week of a new content release.

@chjk122_

8 күн бұрын

He had a bad take until he said If I pull early and I die that's on me. I don't see what the issue is Its not like he's typing or flaming. The boss is pulled early and the cutscene for 90% of dungeons is under 10 seconds just join late and heal him and kill the boss. Its easy content for exp people need to just clear and it move on.

@v4lv0g4

7 күн бұрын

You’re all a bunch of absolute babies.

“you have to expect they are not going to play the way you want to play” >proceeds to complain about people not wanting to play the way he plays

@Shikidiky

14 күн бұрын

I mean kinda but not really he said it us what it is if they kicked him it was more of a dark knight complaining vid

@jingliestpockets

14 күн бұрын

@@Shikidiky The only reason he's complaining about Dark Knight is because he couldn't just punish them by making them watch him solo the boss.

@Tyrbris

14 күн бұрын

OMEGALOOL

@cloverugugugu

14 күн бұрын

@@jingliestpockets that's not really punishing them though, that's stopping them from punishing him

@REMfakeplastictrees

14 күн бұрын

@@cloveruguguguyou might have a hard on for this dude but I would not want to watch someone extend a boss that long with drk’s bottom barrel damage.

The amount of time Xeno has spent justifying why he doesn't wait for cutscenes in this video is already more than the amount of time he woulda had to spend waiting for people to watch cutscenes during his time playing ff

@J3dotgg

14 күн бұрын

Yeah but he's making money ranting

@Gomdeezy

14 күн бұрын

But see baldy sees this as a perfect opportunity. It's all part of his grander scheme to go on a rant about one of the tank jobs

@TheBubbeloo

14 күн бұрын

The amount of time he spent making this pointless bitch and moan video he could've spent completing another leveling dungeon.

@skcansMachine

14 күн бұрын

He wasn't trying to justify anything, he just stated his opinion and even accepted the consequence of getting kicked if the party didn't like him. Whether you agree with Xeno or not, the party intentionally letting him die and not participating is against tos and were 100% in the wrong. What Xeno did was rude at best but being rude isn't against the tos

@titusfortunus2916

13 күн бұрын

​@@skcansMachine "He's not justifying anything, he's just stating his opinion." Him: "IF YOU WATCH THE CUTSCENES YOU ARE WASTING MY TIME AND EVERYONE ELSE'S TIME, YOU SHOULD GO DO A TRUST IF YOU FEEL LIKE WASTING MY TIME!!! NO ONE CARES, I'M NOT GOING TO WAIT FOR YOU." uhhh????

I don't mind if people don't wait for me to watch cutscene. Just don't die. I am not cancelling my cutscene. Not my problem

we in japan server will gladly wait for anyone watching the cutscenes. we'll even let the tank dies if they accidentally pull the boss while a guy is watching the cutscenes.

@keikomoriko8517

14 күн бұрын

Don’t get it twisted, it’s also the common practice here too. Baldy is actually the minority and the trust system is actually meant for people like him

@celphalonred1999

13 күн бұрын

Us as well.

@EgorKaskader

12 күн бұрын

Same here. Waiting for the cutscene is common courtesy, not doing so is expected to at least not give a commend, and most healers will refuse to heal you for the rest of the run.

@traugdor

12 күн бұрын

@@keikomoriko8517 you say that but I was on my sprout alt tank and I had a group pull an ARR dungeon final boss and clear it before I even exited the cutscene.

@Laurentiouss

12 күн бұрын

In my experience from lvling in EU, NA and JP DC. Majority of times I play in NA they like to pull even though some ppl are in a cutscene except sometimes when the healer is in a cutscene some actually considered and not pull. I guess Xeno is used to ppl doing that. But both in EU and JP DC maybe just a couple of bad actors but that is extremely rare.

yeah he is still bald in this video

@Cocytus127

14 күн бұрын

Fuckin gottem.

@andysaelind401

14 күн бұрын

Thanks, I don't have to watch it anymore

@TrueChaoSclx

14 күн бұрын

Xeemo

@LucasBernardesRosa

14 күн бұрын

Truly a service to the internet. I must always know that.

@N0sdrinker

14 күн бұрын

Spoilers!

usually i agree but like... the cutscenes have always existed before trusts, and xeno is just making a problem over waiting an extra 15 seconds. theres no right or wrong but over time players have mutually agreed to just wait for others in a cutscene no matter if its a dungeon or not

@IAmThatGuy640

14 күн бұрын

People like him are why main scenario dungeon duty finder has forced cutscene

@thebigandlazyguy246

14 күн бұрын

The msq dungeons should have been made into solo duties long ago ​@@IAmThatGuy640

@zordiark9673

14 күн бұрын

and then there are the optional Dungeons which doesnt even have NPC in any way possible enabled...

@risha5642

14 күн бұрын

@@zordiark9673 This is a good point, I completely forgot about that. You can't just do Trust for any dungeon you want.

@ArcaneGE

14 күн бұрын

Everyone involved was in the wrong here as far as I'm concerned. He couldn't wait the maybe 15 seconds for the cutscene to play out and they griefed him purposely not playing the roles they queued in on and then abandoned the whole duty over missing like a single raidwide at the start of the fight and probably nothing else. I think between the two of them they were definitely more in the wrong and way overreacted, but while Xeno is right that if you want things done exactly how you want them to be done you should use duty support or trusts, that goes both ways.

While you have a point that ppl can watch cutscenes with Trusts, I feel your argument is self-defeating when you say "Not everyone is going to cater to you". Could use the argument back at you. Also, if Trusts are only meant for first-timers wanting to watch cutscenes, then why does the game incentivize matching players by giving a Bonus reward? If the expectation was to do the dungeons for the first time using the Duty Support, then there would be absolutely no need for a Bonus.

@redrhinos55

4 күн бұрын

"Could use the same argument.." Yeah. Xeno acknowledges that. If he's in a group and the rest of the party wants to go slow, then they can just kick him and he's fine with that. They are under no obligation to go in and help him fight a boss if he pulls "early" and they want to watch cutscenes or pay attention to the story. As for the bonus... just because someone is a first-timer doesn't mean that they care about wanting to go slowly. They could be just fine with blitzing the dungeon. Or, maybe the other party members don't have an issue with going slow because someone is new and they're okay with waiting for them. The point Xeno is making is... respect other peoples' time. Don't expect them to slow down for you, just because you're new to something. If you are absolutely committed to watching every cinematic and clicking every sparkly lore tidbit, then go with Trusts where you know you're gonna have all the time you need without annoying other people who want to get in and get out.. or alternatively, group up with 3 other like-minded souls who want to delve into the lore.

No point in rushing, Xeems: your hair is not coming back.

The expansion is barely out. The cutscene is not even that long, and there are chances people will die/wipe because they're new to the dungeon so these 10 seconds of CS wont even matter.

@emilynicholson128

14 күн бұрын

I always take those thirty seconds to explain the mechanics of the upcoming boss (I’ve done and wiped in the DT dungeons an embarrassing amount of times). Trust me, those thirty seconds are worth it when everyone knows what they’re doing. lol!

@marioharrer9999

14 күн бұрын

@@emilynicholson128 well thts a waste of time, everyone knows NA can't read anyways.

@MegaDarkness5000

14 күн бұрын

@@marioharrer9999 Hey! Those kids would be very upset if they could read.

@vicc6790

14 күн бұрын

who wipes in dungeons? L take

@pwn3ronetwothree

14 күн бұрын

Right? It's super vital to understanding the story to watch the boss do a little wiggle while it's name pops up. You can't ask people to skip such a integral part of the plot!

"I refuse to play any differently than charging head on and ignoring everything else. I will not change this, I will always play this way." "If you want to play your way, and only your way, then you need to use a trust". So Xeno is only going to be using trusts from now, right?

@halosaft

14 күн бұрын

No? Because "only your way" in this context means that you are enforcing *everyone else* to also play "only your way". He doesn't enforce others to play like him. He's fine with people watching the cutscene while he rushes in and starts fighting. He doesn't start crying in the chat about how people just stand there and watch a cutscene instead of joining the fight immediately like he does. On the other hand, the people he was with were trying to enforce their way of play on him, by punishing him for pulling ahead. They were crying in chat about how he didn't wait for cutscene like they did.

@Zephy_Sky

14 күн бұрын

​@@halosaftexcept he is forcing them to play his way, he wiped multiple times in this dungeon because he refused to account for his team in team content. Everyone on the team has to deal with that now.

@halosaft

14 күн бұрын

@@Zephy_Sky You are literally making stuff up now. You have zero idea what the reason for the earlier wipes were. You saying "because he refused to account for his team" is just something you pulled out of your headcanon. If anything, Xenos has the credentials for being one of the easiest tanks to heal. Because he knows how to play tank and rotate his mitigations optimally just by muscle memory. He's doing everything a tank should do to make it as easy as possible for the party. So those earlier wipes were probably on the healer, not the tank. Also, no idea why you are bringing up the earlier wipes when you have no idea what caused them, when the conversation is about rushing at a boss when someone is watching the cutscene. Those earlier wipes were literally glossed over, they're not in the conversation.

@Zephy_Sky

14 күн бұрын

@@halosaft I bring it up, because any tank worth their salt knows how to adjust for teamates that don't play on a professional level. He obviously doesn't do this, as shown by his selfish position for playing how he wants to with no regard for others, in content that is meant to be tackled by a team.

@halosaft

14 күн бұрын

@@Zephy_Sky Yeah, but tackling it like a team doesn't mean to do it by one persons rules. You have to learn to compromise. And if you are really that incompatible in playstyles, that is what the kick feature is for. Which is why Xeno said several times that he doesn't mind being kicked, sometimes the playstyles just aren't compatible. That's why so many tanks who refuse to pull more than one pack at a time gets kicked, most people don't like that playstyle. And here Xenos behaved really well, he never said anything in chat, he never flamed the healer for being unable to heal him or letting him die. Nor did he ever flame them for not skipping cutscenes. Unlike the party members, who couldn't compromise at all and started griefing him for starting the boss fight.

Cutscenes are a literal baked in game mechanic for first time viewers. Duty Support is great for people that either want to play solo, want to get the extra lore from the NPCs or just don't want to deal with other people. It's also not terrible EXP if you know how to make the NPCs work for you and you're not giga rushing everything to 100. But Yoshi-P is not putting a gun to your head and saying "If you want to watch the cutscene use Duty Support' - It's a supplemental accesibility tool. He's been playing since 1.0 and refuses to accept that letting people watch a cutscene is an accepted common courtesy in the game's community. It's that kind of mentality that continually corrodes the social aspect of modern MMOs. Try pulling that shit in games where you can't name change or server transfer and watch yourself slide right into the community blacklist. There is no consequence for being an asshole anymore. "Just kick me, I'll queue again lmao"

@DKHZStudio

10 күн бұрын

The only bad thing about NPC Dungeon is that the loot totally random, but it really good to learn the dungeon. I used it because so it eaiser to see the dungeon

Back when I startede playing I was skipping the dungeon end boss. Someone noticed and asked me if it was my first time, I said it was my first run and I didn't want to make them wait. The entire team said to me 'Its okay just watch it, we can wait.' I was so touched back then. Yeah I think you can wait for a minute or two.

@pmaestro

11 күн бұрын

they even realized it was a bit of an issue and so reorganized the experience so cutscenes before battle are rarely more than extravagant intros. 20 seconds tops.

@doolenny9458

11 күн бұрын

Yeah arr I remember a similar thing especially cause you had to read them

"Do not expect everything to go your way" Xeno expects everything to go his way

@rickmel09

14 күн бұрын

the man who has a meltdown every time a group does 6-1-1 :)

@aidencalunod8528

14 күн бұрын

Xeno videos are so hard to watch 😭

@ProjectFraz

14 күн бұрын

I swear xeno is getting to be worse than asmongold.

@bosspaw4028

14 күн бұрын

@@aidencalunod8528omg I know, I disagree with just about everything he says and am cringing the whole time 😂

@handles_are_idiotic

14 күн бұрын

Did you watch the entire thing? he specifically mentions he doesn't expect it to go his way either, and is okay with being kicked from the dungeon

Best part of the video was xeno saying "some of you are just so close minded", while proceeding to then not open his mind to other opinions about just waiting 20 seconds for a cutscene to finish lul... How is he not called out more on his hypocrisy.

@aidencalunod8528

14 күн бұрын

@@luckytanuki5449 So true, the large majority of the player base has agreed that it's polite to wait for cutscenes, yet he refuses to wait because his way is the "right" way. He really needs to examine himself.

@Shrubsova

14 күн бұрын

How exactly is it not rude to pull while someone's in a cutscene? Cause it's not against the TOS? That's not how that works. ​@PplCallMeGhost1

@vicarsol9954

14 күн бұрын

​@PplCallMeGhost1 WTF are you on? Is it toxic and rude to pull early? YES. Even if you are on a Dungeon or in a Raid, pulling early is rude and toxic Do you just pull at 10 seconds on a 15 sec timers?

@ChaosBlade41

14 күн бұрын

Because he's in the right. Even if you think he's being close minded for not conforming to the social norm, that doesn't make him wrong. The social etiquette of waiting for people's cutscenes is literally nothing more than just that, an etiquette of goodwill or patience that people have but in no way, shape or form should an etiquette be enforced as a rule. He is absolutely in the right to say that people have no right to expect other people to stop and wait around for however long the cutscene is, regardless of it being several seconds or not. To expect a courtesy is to be immediately in the wrong. you can hope for it, you can ask for it, but you should never expect it. His claim isn't that people shouldn't wait for cutscene watchers or that people should wait for him if he were watching cutscenes. His claim is an extremely logical stance of, if you expect such a courtesy, you are wrong and he acknowledges that if people want to remove him from the party for not waiting, they are in their right to do so and he doesn't even hold anything against them, so how is he a hypocrite? I might have to rewatch the video again to listen carefully but he hasn't said anything contrary to his own statements and not listening to other's opinions on this doesn't make him a hypocrite because he is aware of all the opinions spouting the same things, but he is trying to get his point across to people that are squawking because they don't like that he's not conforming to the flock. Whether it's rude or not is completely irrelevant, the topic he is discussing is whether people are in the right to expect a courtesy or not and the simple answer is no.

@ricodc6529

14 күн бұрын

This is what you call the streamer effect. Upon gaining a decent size following, the person suddenly thinks that they're the second coming of christ and their words are absolute law. Anybody who says otherwise is stupid and will be ganged up on by idiots that follow the streamer.

Trusts take longer then waiting for cutscenes, baldtake

Seems the healer strike is going well after all lol

"If you want to play only your way, you need to use the Trusts" It goes both ways. Same applies to you. Playing with random people means compromising. It's a 20 sec cutscene, let them have it.

@aidencalunod8528

14 күн бұрын

@@Latios93 Exactly, it's such an elitist mentality to expect everyone to confirm to your way but never extending that same consideration to anyone else

@SoullessSociety27

14 күн бұрын

He said that in the video though.

@gtgtgtgtgt123456789

14 күн бұрын

Ok, but joining the fight late doesn’t matter at all. Do you guys not understand that? The healer intentionally not healing caused this to be a problem. A tank ain’t gonna wipe by themselves in 30 seconds. Just join late and finish the fight?

@aidencalunod8528

14 күн бұрын

@@gtgtgtgtgt123456789 We understand that, but it's also not a big deal to wait either. Yes the party reacted poorly, but that doesn't mean it's unreasonable to wait for cutscenes. And if you want to argue specifics, it throws off the opening burst if not everyone enters together and lowers overall dps

@gtgtgtgtgt123456789

14 күн бұрын

@@aidencalunod8528 it's a dungeon my guy, optimal rotations mean absolutely nothing

Xeems really wants you to hurry up so that he can get out of the dungeon and AFK in front of his house while he does a RACT, please understand, those 30 sec cutscenes really add up

@HollowiiMarz

14 күн бұрын

😂😂😂

@cloudzack1090

14 күн бұрын

Yep, expansion just came out, its fresh, its common courtesy, whatever lol

@YummyCatgirlMilk

14 күн бұрын

@@cloudzack1090 no one cares. Nothing important or interesting happens during the dungeon cutscenes

@user-qe1pz6lp1q

14 күн бұрын

​@@YummyCatgirlMilk I care and I watch them once. Many people do and who am I or you to forbid people to watch them

@mewberthildimew9037

14 күн бұрын

@@user-qe1pz6lp1q I dunno, I feel bad making people wait for me while I watch cutscenes. It does take a certain degree of selfishness to expect people to twiddle their thumbs waiting for you rather than ask or do trusts or skip and watch later.

Ive never been in a dungeon where people got mad at someone for watching a cutscene. I remember pulling right away and realizing someone is in a cutscene. I apologized and told them to keep watching.

Tell me you're a selfish person without telling me you're a selfish person.

If you are only meant to watch cutscenes in the trust dungeons, then why didn't they remove cutscenes from non-trust dungeons? No one is in so much of a hurry that they can't wait for someone to watch a short cutscene. Especially if it is the first time that player plays the dungeon.

@FieldMarshall3

13 күн бұрын

You dont understand. Xeno is more important than everyone else. How can he, the main character, go on if he has to wait 10 seconds for the peasants. He shouldn't have to respect the people he chose to queue into, only they should have to respect him. Only his way of playing the game is correct and everyone else is wrong. Could he use trust if he doesn't want to wait on people? No, that's not right, only they should use trust. /s just in case

@Navi_xoo

13 күн бұрын

If you are meant to wait for cutscenes in the dungeons, then why can the tank pull while people watch the cutscenes? The same logic applies. The stupid people here are the party members soiling themselves and crying because he pulled. He didn't even say anything the whole dungeon. Grow up.

@cheerfulgestalt3282

13 күн бұрын

@@Navi_xoo He isn't going to notice you or thank you for saying this you know. He's objectively in the wrong.

@Hammer1987

13 күн бұрын

@@Navi_xoo Considering the fact that the devs made the Praetorium cutscenes unskippable because people wouldn't wait for cutscene watchers, it is very clear what the developer's view on the issue is. And the logic does not go both ways. One requires players to skip content the devs worked hard to create and put in the game, and the other requires players to just wait a little bit. Those are not the same. That said, the party members should not have made such a fuss about the issue. The care bear mentality many ffxiv players have is a problem. Just kick, block, and move on.

@PossiblyMG

13 күн бұрын

if you are only meant to wait for people to watch the cutscenes, then why didn't they put a wall before the last boss like the one at the start of instances?

To rather get kicked and do it all over again rather than wait the grand whopping 10 seconds to let someone watch a cutscene is an insane hill to die on.

@darksoul103

14 күн бұрын

It's a special kind of toxicity to welcome toxic behavior in order to cope with a situation and then blame your class for not being able to just "do it yourself".

@MunitionsDudTester

14 күн бұрын

Yea, he sounds like a mega-tourist with this retarded take.

@PuthySlayer69420

14 күн бұрын

When you farm a dungeon the end boss doesnt matter it takes 10 mins to clear a dungeon

@TheWipal

14 күн бұрын

ppl kicking over early pulls in a dungeon in turn, is toxic and weird

@wickedvahndyl

13 күн бұрын

​@TheWipal Agree 100%. Those folks were any better. I'm pretty sure by the time they typed all their grievances they could've been halfway through the fight

The trust system only works if you are solo. If you are doing story with a friend or two there is no option to fill in with a trust. Just relax for thirty seconds and let people enjoy their cutscenes. It's really not too difficult.

@doolenny9458

12 күн бұрын

Also simply Trust isn’t as fun for me I enjoy playing with people since it’s yknow A mmo The trust is there for someone who wants a singleplayer experience not a non story experience

Xeno's mentality of "my time is being wasted" borders on obsession. He wants to see jobs being trimmed down to the level of WAR/WHM/SMN because learning more "is a waste of time", he can't even wait 8 seconds out of respect for others because "muh time", he views everything through that lens, it's insane.

@ich3730

14 күн бұрын

Its like his comments on the WAR storms eye buff upkeep. Crazy to me as a long time MMO player ( Everquest to WoW to FF14 ) that a simple 60 sec buff upkeep is considered " a hassle" xD

@PuthySlayer69420

14 күн бұрын

womp womp

@FieldMarshall3

13 күн бұрын

​@@ich3730 A lot of people who have only played FF as their MMO dont realize how good and cushioned they have it. Back in WoW there were literally specs that were so useless that they were unplayable and the devs just didn't care, the mentality was always "we'll change it for the next expansion". If something like that happened in FF you would have YoshiP making a public apology and a hotfix the next week.

@TheBubbeloo

12 күн бұрын

The time he spent on making this video he could've spent to run another dungeon from start to finish.

@addiction4062

8 күн бұрын

@@FieldMarshall3 "back" it still is like that way now from what i hear from my friends lmao

"If you are wanting to watch the cutscene in a dungeon then you need to do the trust" Right back at you. If you dont want to respect the 3 other people you randomly queued into and wait on their cutscene then you need to do the trust. It goes both ways.

@dylansetright3359

14 күн бұрын

I mean I'll get Crystal Tower shit for Alliance Raids and 22/23 people are expected to wait for the 1-2 in Cutscene.

@stoffan00

14 күн бұрын

yup. 100%

@beecees410

14 күн бұрын

No. 😂

@Munushew

14 күн бұрын

It's funny because in the stream after this he actually did start using the trust system

@handles_are_idiotic

14 күн бұрын

@@dylansetright3359 Always insta pull the boss in ARR raids, especially Cyrcus, the cutscene is Xande literally getting up off his chair, it's a waste of time, 9/10 times people thank the tank who insta-pulls, the other 1/10 people are either silent or send a sad face in chat.

You literally get extra tomes for the people who watch the cutscene. Your time isnt wasted, its compensated.

@Tavak86

14 күн бұрын

You get extra time for first timers. Not for watching the cutscenes. I agree with Xenos but the game made main scenario cutscenes unskippable for a reason. We are clearly in the minority on this one.

@Ebaytoon

14 күн бұрын

@Tavak86 I've played since 1.0 and never had someone watch a cutscene that wasn't first time. I'm not saying it's 0% but I guarantee most people have skip previously viewed cutscene turned on.

@Cicirifu

14 күн бұрын

@@Tavak86 Its usually first timers that watch cutscenes. Literally two people didnt have the Mapping achievement.

@magikazam8430

14 күн бұрын

@@Tavak86 I kinda agree with Prae and Castrum cutscene. Like at that point SE just to lazy to code in a way that make them skippable if people ain't first timer there.

@missjaen9089

14 күн бұрын

@@magikazam8430 If theres a single first timer then they could vote abandon or kick then. This 10 min+ video started over a handful of seconds. The Main Scenario is what it is because the community. (Xeno's party members are idiots, just hop in the damn boss area after your 10 second CS)

Takes less time to let bro finish a 15 second cutscene than to wipe from impatience

The irony of saying "whenever you play with other people, you have to expect that they will not play the way you want to play" immediately after "if you want to watch a dungeon cutscene you have to do that in trusts full stop" is so thick I'm practically choking on it LMAO

Xeno, if you do not want to do what the party wants......maybe it is you who should do the trusts.

@paulcrimson3824

14 күн бұрын

Yeah its a MMO and i want to play with other PLAYERS. Not with npc's just because SOMEONE can't wait a bit longer. LMAO

@DeepbloodFang

13 күн бұрын

@@paulcrimson3824 if you are so invested in the story, then maybe you SHOULD do the dungeon with the NPC's so you can suck Grahas dong more, friggin story watchers smfh.

@relicbv

13 күн бұрын

...but he said in the video he does trusts when he wants to play a certain way without affecting others (i.e. watching cutscenes)... you did not watch the video with sound, or...?

@zekego

12 күн бұрын

@@relicbv He also said that he is going to play his way regardless of what the rest of the party wants or feels. He also said he does not talk in party chat. Thus, he is going to do things the party does not want and regardless of what they communicate in party chat, he will not reply and not change. If you think that is "not affecting others", are you sure that we watched the same video?

@ffmaster94

12 күн бұрын

@@relicbv Exactly these people obviously didn't watch the whole video LOLL

Important context the cutscene hes saying he dosnt want to wait for is 8 seconds long

@amethonys2798

14 күн бұрын

Okay? Takes 15 seconds for the door to close and that's after the like 5 seconds it would take Xeno to automatically skip the cutscene (roughtly 2-3 seconds) and pull the boss (the remaining 2). What were they doing with the 10+ seconds they had to get in the arena?

@nodot17

14 күн бұрын

That goes both ways They let him die over a 8 sec cutscene not even long enough for the boss room to be sealed They missed a raidwide at most

@azuremoon4754

14 күн бұрын

Yeah and also keep in mind that means the person in the cutscene was only absent for 8 seconds yet still they still wasted the entire dungeon over it

@PuthySlayer69420

14 күн бұрын

this goes both ways bro, just join and do it after you watched it, the fights dont matter that much in the opener.

@KnightOfCarim2

14 күн бұрын

Right so they just need to join in the tank after they watched the 8 second long cutscene, gotcha thanks for proving Xeno's point.

Imagine enjoying the community aspect of an MMO as opposed to making an MMO almost entirely single-player during MSQ runs. Absolutely wild take, besides the fact that it doesn't seem to sink into his head that "expecting others to play how you do" when he's so very outnumbered by everyone who has basic dungeon etiquette.... "They want to do something one way" but also "they HAVE to do it my way or else!!!" Maybe some people enjoy dungeons anyway and don't just want to rush through them, even if it's their millionth run of a specific dungeon. Who knows.

I enjoy playing with randoms, sometimes you get funny interactions especially on expansion launch (when everyone is probably watching the cutscenes anyway). You can't get that with trusts.

I don't understand the logic gymnastics to where he said "if they want to kick me from the dungeon it's fine." It's such a giant waste of time requeueing and doing the dungeon all over again instead of just waiting less than 20 seconds.

@aSmolGoth

14 күн бұрын

He's a tank main. *What queue?* I don't think it's like how it was in older versions of the game where bosses gave majority of the experience (namely the last boss), it's all spread out now. Requeuing just gives him more experience again.

@Knightsmaren

14 күн бұрын

@@aSmolGoth queueing into the roulette. I know it's's not as bad as DPS. The 1st and 2nd bosses give negligible EXP, like 200k?, compared to the final boss which gives the 1 million+ exp bonus and it took 15 minutes to get to said boss. Requeueing for 200k exp again for a 15 minute dungeon run when you were at the end already before is not worth it.

@StormierNik

13 күн бұрын

​@PplCallMeGhost1bro all 4 of them are babies. He made a tantrum video about him not being able to wait 10 seconds. They were being babies by not just getting on with it. Ego meets ego. Problem could have easily been dissolved of he just went "Sorry, my bad" but no, he wants people to experience the game the way he wants to experience it while scolding them on how they're trying to force him to experience it some other way. It's a fuckin 10 second cutscene before his react content anyway.

@titusfortunus2916

13 күн бұрын

@PplCallMeGhost1 Brother... you're saying "Normally no one is like them, most people just suck it up when I DO THIS TO EVERYONE I MEET BECAUSE I WANT IT NOW I WON'T WAIT 10 SECONDS I WANT IT NOOOWWW!!!! FUCK YOUR CUTSCENE!!!" and saying the cutscene watchers are the giant babies? More people SHOULD do nothing then kick him out, because "Suck it up and do what I say or else I am making everyone's days worse" is an L take from BOTH sides. It's 10 seconds. Also "IF YOU WANNA WATCH THE CUTSCENE BRO JUST DO THE TRUST" well I can't take my friends with me to the trust can I? We play the story together. It's an MMO. Consider OTHER people in an MMO.

Rare L take with cutscenes m'liege.

@crowevil4658

14 күн бұрын

He isn’t wrong. You don’t get locked out permanently anymore.

@cheerfulgestalt3282

14 күн бұрын

@@crowevil4658 Waiting for people to watch the cutscenes is a common courtesy. Basic empathy and respect for your fellow players trumps you wanting to rush through the dungeon.

@crowevil4658

14 күн бұрын

@@cheerfulgestalt3282 dude you are funny. I’ve been playing since 1.0 and I guarantee you, this has NEVER been the case on any NA data center. Japan, yes. Maybe EU, but never NA. Why do you think they made cutscenes mandatory in Praetorium, and the others. They even reduced the run time. People, since HW (and before) would punch through the entire dungeon before the first cutscene was even finished. Why do you think Trusts were made, go back to that LL. Xeno is correct. Lol Xeno is not wrong. Plus, a majority of those cutscenes in dungeons are aesthetic only. The meaty stuff is when you exit. In fact, if the boss is pulled in a dungeon, usually the “lock out” with transport option isn’t even up by the time the boss yelling is over. People are missing maybe 2% of damage. This is conflated beyond what it should be.

@SWHHReice

14 күн бұрын

​@@crowevil4658 One of the only instances in this game where 'rushing' through the cutscene and degrading the play experience was, as you mentioned, Praetorium. Why is that? Because the cutscenes were 3 minutes or longer. It was such a problem that SQEX put a stop to it. I will wager that over >99% of the dungeons that I've run since 2.0 include everyone waiting for the cutscene viewers. It's a less than 20 second situation, with the exception of I believe Stone Vigil's incredibly long cutscene, and the Chemical Facility. (And even then people wait). If the events you describe are 'your truth', and 'how it's always been for you', then you're the problem. You're the one forcing and marching through dungeons and not letting people watch their cutscenes. You are the minority. The amount of 'L take' in his twitch chat solidifies public opinion on this. Even among this niche section of XIV players and Twitch watchers who, in all likelihood, have the same kind of mindset as Xeems about a lot of things, disagree with him on this specific take.

@YummyCatgirlMilk

14 күн бұрын

@@SWHHReice zzzzzz I'll just solo the boss

Bro its a story game for like 60% of players. Wait for the cutscenes. If you're that toxic you run with trusts. First 52 seconds of this video dropped my respect for Xeno by 50%. Yes, im a mentor. I love helping sprouts learn, and even carrying them through as whm or war. Ill wait for the apology video before watching more.

@InsufferableFirecracker

14 күн бұрын

What i hate the most, and what concerns me, is this video (and ones like it) make our entire player-base look like total jerks... it's unsettling, because this was an extreme situation, not indicative of the FFXIV player-base ethos as a whole and not the norm by far... but it makes all of us look horrible when the entire party of 4 could have conducted themselves slightly better... but for Xeno to highlight this and make such a long angry rant about it, i don't like the feeling it gives me. I truly fear for those who are very new to 14 coming into a video like this, and getting the wrong impression of what a high end "ultimate" gamer looks like... it's a very sad thing. It's not a reflection of our community at our finest, and we should all be cringing a little at that.

yeah no “you have to expect they are not going to play the way you want to play” yet you expect everyone to play your way

@vashe9

10 күн бұрын

and in all the dungeons i've played, no one never had any problem with people in cutscenes (me or other people)...

@Shinizaru2

5 күн бұрын

I'm a cutscene enjoyer, and I never expect people to wait for me to watch the cutscene. If they pull and I'm a little late, who the hell cares? They aren't going to die in the 1 minute that I'm watching the cutscene and I can get in there and do my thing, whether I'm healer or DPS. If I'm the tank and they pull, well that's on them. To be frank, these people were just being assholes. If he dies, he dies and you start it again. It's a dungeon, not a raid or an EX. It's all gucci.

XENO: You shouldn't expect people to agree with you or play how you want to play. Chat: exactly, which is why they voted 3 to 1 to abandon the duty. XENO: wait no not like that tho

It's common courtesy in this game and it takes less than a minute. Where do you have to be so damn bad where you can't give people a minute or two? If somebody had to BRB for something, would you be giving them the same grief?

Imagine playing this game 10+ years and not knowing basic dungeon etiquette. While the person overreacted in this situation, you could have handled it a lot better.

@DeadSpaceWing

13 күн бұрын

Streamer man's gotten too big for his britches.

Xeno should say to Yoshi that he thinks he doesnt have to wait for other peoples cutscene viewing in this MMO, so Yoshi can look at him like wow you''re bald and wrong.

I mean like, it's just politeness and courtesy for sprouts and 1st timers to wait for them to watch their cutscenes. It really doesn't hurt to wait like 10s for them to watch it. Some dungeons have longer cutscenes but it's not very frequent.

@MrRusty103

14 күн бұрын

Its also not at all a big deal if people pulled the boss while I was watching the cutscene. Both sides giving this issue anything more than a shrug is obscene.

@alexmaganda5827

14 күн бұрын

@@MrRusty103 excactly they were looking for beef you can tell

@mattvitalis789

14 күн бұрын

But then why can't they just do the trust? Why do they need to impose how they want to play on other people when there is literally a system made for watching all the cut scenes and reading all the notes?

@darklorty

14 күн бұрын

Sorry but bald man's time is more important than having courtesy with people

@phiefer3

14 күн бұрын

@@mattvitalis789 But then why don't you just do the trust? Why do you impose how you want to play on other people when there is literally a system where you get to make all the decisions for yourself. Trusts are not made for watching cutscenes, they are made for when you don't want to wait and/or don't want to play with other people.

You can also go to a fast food place and leave your trash on the table since there's no rule saying you cant but most of us have some damn sense and common courtesy

@MasterOfLazyness

14 күн бұрын

Nah, it's because family would whoop my ass if I left that shit everywhere.

@outofmana0218

14 күн бұрын

Exactly 💯

@aoetp

14 күн бұрын

Best comparison imo

Fuck trusts, bring squadrons back and have us recruit special NPC's through playing the game and RNG with them applying.

If someone is watching a cutscene in a dungeon I'm normally cool with it and am patient. When I tank I generally feel its my responsibility to pace the dungeon at a speed everyone is comfortable with. When I'm not the tank I tend to go at whatever pace the tank sets. That said I have always done the trusts in my first run through specifically because I want to go at my pace and enjoy the story. Heck doing trusts gives you small tidbits of extra dialog if you want it. Also doing story dungeons in a trust prevents loud mouths spoiling parts of the story which is something that happened to me on the Zodiark fight last expansion. TBF it was a very minor spoiler and went over my head until others told him to not give spoilers. Either way I always trust whatever I can on my first playthrough. Heck doing the trusts also teaches you the fights and what to watch out for based on what the NPCs are doing.

@InsufferableFirecracker

14 күн бұрын

This! Responsible tank, thank you for being considerate and being aware trusts have value but aren't the end-all-be-all, and not forcing players to be at your speed when you don't know them. As a disabled gamer who sometimes takes an extra second or two to get into the ring after a cut scene this truly matters, as if there's aoe on the floor, I have to wait for the aoe to pass before i can even enter the battle. On new Dawn Trail content, that was easily a good way for the party to whip when I was on healer. Even with the warnings i leave in party chat, some DRK tanks do not care, run in, and then get mad when they end up dead because the current expansion made them into paper... a warrior might be able to be that cocky and not go splat, sure, but on new content, playing a tad conservatively does have value. It's not so bad now, mind you, as many players now know what to do... but I can say honestly as a whm pre-release i witnessed more "death to stupid" from tanks than i've seen in a very, very long time... i actually felt useful as a healer, although I do wish a couple of those tanks wouldn't have gotten so over confidant on bosses, or try to destroy all MSQ content on day 1.

No way I'm doing trusts just to pander to folks going wild over a 20 second cutscene. That's a goofy ass take man. Of course, the goober that refused to participate is way in the wrong here still. They blew it way out of proportion.

@Andarath69

14 күн бұрын

Casual take

@bassisku

14 күн бұрын

@@cablefeed3738 he wouldnt have died, you can survive a long while without a healer. Healer afking intentionally AFTER cutscene ended was why they wiped.

@KyonV13

14 күн бұрын

It happens every expac

@Nan0bo7

14 күн бұрын

L take mr. Pleb

@ChampionSushima

14 күн бұрын

Man, instant gratification is strong in Mr. Bald :P.

Xeno does not do the main scenario roulette for sure.

@nodot17

14 күн бұрын

I wouldn't blame him even now casturm and prae are a slog

@leoli1589

14 күн бұрын

Nobody WANTS to fucking do msq roulettes man. No one is like AHA I AM EXCITED TO OPEN FFXIV AFTER WORK AND DO MY FAVOURITE MSQ ROULETTE BECAUSE I LOOOOVEEE IT. No.

@Hype_Incarnate

14 күн бұрын

I mean I only do them for the fantastic exp.

@feetpicburglar

14 күн бұрын

​@@Hype_IncarnateI would rather dip my balls in a meat grinder than do that shit again. The XP ain't worth it

@Frosfank3034

14 күн бұрын

​@@leoli1589 Thats where u fail. You do them WHILE you work ;)

The thing is the argument can go both ways. If someone is too impatient to wait 20-30sec for someone to watch the last boss intro fight cutscene then maybe that person should be the one doing it with the NPCs - it IS an MMO and when you play with other people everyone should show some curtesy. If you want to be the main character, go run it with the NPCs. (Personally I always run it the first time with NPCs because I enjoy the story, but I don't have a problem waiting 30sec either way.)

"That's why they put the trust in the game" Maybe take some time to consider what contribution to the game roulettes have. I generally like you, but this isn't just an L take, it's an asshole take. Doesn't matter you didn't say anything.

Heyo, it's a new xpac, not even a month has passed, lol. So you can't wait for some people watching a short cutscene, but if the party dies to mechanics we have to watch you solo for way longer? That's a BALD take bruh, lol.

The cutscemes in dungeons last like 5 seconds

@EloyBushida

14 күн бұрын

Dude is just a giant crybaby.

@o.d.d.s

14 күн бұрын

then why does it matter if the cs viewer is 5 seconds late

@Shatterstar

14 күн бұрын

@@o.d.d.s It doesn't, but the party made a issue of it.

@biocajun86

14 күн бұрын

@@o.d.d.syou’re still impeding on their experience. As I said in another comment, this is a story-based, RPG-First MMO. That’s not an opinion. That is specifically how this game was designed.

@Ratpaa

14 күн бұрын

@@biocajun86 It goes literally both ways, You can make that argument for both sides. Players making others wait for cutscene is impeding their gameplay and so does pulling ahead, if you're making any issue out of being few seconds late to the fight or having to wait these few seconds to start you're quite frankly pathetic. no matter on which side you are in this, if waiting/being late few seconds is a problem for you then you need to go outside

RIP media tour...

Nah, you're wrong. You ain't the main character, son.

You can pull the boss, but other ppl are allowed to want to watch it when queuing normally

@Saber9933

14 күн бұрын

Definitely. The cutsene is like 10 seconds long max. If the boss gets pulled without me I'm not gonna bitch but I'm usually healing, so do it at your own risk. It's only gonna happen on a first run. (PSA to disable replaying cutscenes you've seen)

@drkwn1

14 күн бұрын

agree, it's a courtesy to always wait for people in cutscene.

@Sephiroso.

14 күн бұрын

@@drkwn1 It's also a courtesy to not waste other people's time by bitching about someone pulling while you were in a cutscene. If the dingus simply just kept running the dungeon after he got out the cutscene, this video would never have been made.

@PuthySlayer69420

14 күн бұрын

he never said you cant what bro you really wanna see the boss doing nothing for 20 sec coz your in your burst phase anyways?

@EloyBushida

14 күн бұрын

@@PuthySlayer69420 He literally says like 30 fucking times that you're not allowed to watch cutscenes in normal queues and that you MUST use the trust if you want to watch the cutscene. Did you even watch the video?

Ironic because of his lock in rant in a prior clip that if the party dies they should watch the tank solo a boss for 20 minutes

I love it when there's a first timer watching cutscenes. Vicariously enjoying what it was like to do it the first time, being there to share in their excitement about the story... you have no joy in your heart, man.

So I'm of two minds on this one. For one, he is right. No one is forced to wait for anyone else to watch a cutscene, just as no one is forced to watch the cutscene in every dungeon (MSQ roulette not withstanding). If you go into the boss room and decide to pull the boss despite one or more of your party watching the cutscene, then that's your choice and you accept that the boss is gonna die a bit slower and some members are going to join the the fight a bit later. If you decide to watch the cutscene, know and accept that you're slowing down up to three other people as a result of it. If you don't want to cause others to wait and slow them down, that is why the duty support system exists. In either case its really no big deal and not worth getting all hung up over. For the other side though, if you run a dungeon and one or more members are watching the cutscenes, it is at least a kind and thoughtful measure to just wait for them. Waiting is not that big a deal. Nothing in this game is so pressing that sitting and waiting for at most a couple minutes is going to ruin your personal experience or leave you hard pressed to do other things. If it is doing that, then you might need to re-evaluate how some things are scheduled in your life. Basically the takeaway is, if someone is watching the cutscene you should wait for them, but if someone doesn't wait its not so big a deal that you should abandon the duty entirely or generally act like an ass.

So if you want to watch a cutscene You can’t play with friends or randoms? But if you don’t want to watch a cutscene, then can’t play with friends or randoms? So no one can have a good time?

@marcossierra3498

14 күн бұрын

Honestly this

@FlareMafia

14 күн бұрын

@@RedLightz_TV As much as this video points out an issue you are likely going to find a group that will wait for you

@Nothv13

14 күн бұрын

Typically what happens in a normal group where this happens, is the tank dies and then the group just does the boss. No body misses a cutscene and at most the tank hurt itself. Normally these cutscenes are short enough you can still enter the boss fight and miss maybe a single raid wide, functionally missing nothing. The party in this situation were the toxic ones (Xeno was toxic for making this vid but it is a direct response to the taxic actions of the party), effectively held the dungeon hostage, wasting everyone's time, rather than just enter the boss fight slightly late or do the boss after Xenos died.

@RedLightz_TV

13 күн бұрын

@@FlareMafia oh yeah 10/10 moments I haven’t had an issue with being waited for or me waiting for other. I do remember as a tank one time I accidentally went tunnel vision for a Heavensward Dungeon and was apologizing like crazy in the party chat lol

Xeno's take on dungeon cutscenes is very much the toxic side of Man Mode. And in answer to Xeno's question. I go through the story with other players. Because I like tp play this mmo, with other people.

@piconio

14 күн бұрын

then don't expect that that people gonna wait until you finish your cutscenes, its a double edged sword, from one side you want to be respected that you want to watch a cutscene, from the other side why you dont respect the time of your teammates that have already watched it? If you dont want to que with trust, fine, but dont expect that its a rule to wait for cutscene watcher. The longer you live the more you start to respect your time.

@audiocattt

14 күн бұрын

@@piconiosounds like you need to do trusts if you’re annoyed about people watching a cutscene and wanna play your way lol

@sashbandit

14 күн бұрын

​@audiocattt but the opposite is also true.

@piconio

14 күн бұрын

@@audiocattt typical close minded behaviour

@kagamine14

14 күн бұрын

I def prefer trusts for anything story related. I like just looking at the chat bubbles and seeing their take on things. Still I think waiting for newbies in df is considerate! I’ve seen some people pull early and roll my eyes, but I’d just complain to a friend if it irked me too much. I wouldn’t boycott and vote abandon for it.

I'm actually surprised to see a larger streamer against waiting for new players watching the cut scenes. I was certain that was a huge thing in the FFXIV community and one of the reasons I left WoW and came back to FFXIV (the impression its way less toxic here).

man would rather waste an hour of his time getting kicked from a dungeon then going back and redoing it than waiting 15 seconds for a CS. wild. no one is wasting your time; you waste your own.

If you pull and die because I'm in a cutscene, that's on you. If I start bitching because you pulled and died while I was in a cutscene, that's on me. But the funny thing is, your argument that they put in the trust system for people who want to watch cutscenes... the exact same logic can be used back at you, they put the trust in for people who want to just go, go, go without waiting for other players. Long story short, regardless of which one you are, don't be a dick.

"If you want to play your way, and only your way, you need to do the trusts." If you're going to play with other people, at least be somewhat considerate. If they are capable of using trusts "to watch cutscenes", you're capable of using trusts to "blast through content." Don't be a hypocrite.

@moogleboy

14 күн бұрын

It's democratically decided. If only one person is watching a cutscene and someone else pulls, it's up to the group to figure out if they want to side with the cutscene watcher or the person just trying to get through their levelling experience. Xeno said he wouldn't have cared if they kicked him, because that's ALSO democratically decided. Instead, they decided to be shitters and vote abandon which did nothing but waste four peoples time instead of just one. Don't be a moron.

@livingforwhat2172

14 күн бұрын

I mean it goes both ways. you don't lose on anything if someone pulls during ur cutscene other than the boss being like 90% instead of 100%. most bosses don't do anything except an aoe at the start, so you really aren't missing out on much.

@adambaker4590

14 күн бұрын

@moogleboy And they democratically decided to vote abandon and not play with Xeno. Don't be intentionally obtuse. And also there's no need to be a dick and call people morons.

@moogleboy

14 күн бұрын

@@adambaker4590 But there's a reason to be a dick and call people hypocrites?

@angelsoflolz

14 күн бұрын

@@adambaker4590 The whole point of moogleboy's comment is that the morons in the video were being dicks and calling xeno a moron indirectly. Still get your point too, though.

Did I step into the Twilight Zone? People have always waited for cutscene watchers in previous expansions, in fact this was one of the "positives" of the community how they were always polite to first time players of things

@aaronh678

12 күн бұрын

Non-entitled people wait. It is courtesy. I think this is Xeno just trying to create drama from a nothingburger to keep views up, since DT has no raid content atm. On that note. Xeno should've waited for the person to watch cutscenes.

@Goobzor

11 күн бұрын

well the devs kind of forced the change om everyone and anyone that still plays the game should understand they will do it again if they need to do so. this is the main reason why the end raids for ARR are forced movies. because people would skip the story and beat the boss before people finished the story.

If he didn't want to wait for people to watch cutscenes, then why didn't he just form his own party to do it? The cutscenes are usually only a couple seconds. It isn't a big deal to just wait a few seconds.

Your take on what trusts are for is inherently wrong. It was intended as another way to help those through story required dungeons (and some trials) to by pass long queue times (mostly DPS queues). In addition it was implemented in the game to help those who have social anxiety issues, as well as those who want to use trust to learn/play a job they are unfamiliar with without causing issues for others. Your take that it was implemented to watch the story/cut scenes is just wrong and you are trying to force your way of playing on others. In a sense you are doing the exact thing you are accusing them of doing to you.

@Angerina_

14 күн бұрын

I wholeheartedly agree. Go watch your cut scenes, I'll wait and dance.

@kellevichy

14 күн бұрын

@@Angerina_ I love doing showleft or showright as if i'm presenting the boss to the cutscene watcher :P

"Don't expect people to cater to you, but I expect you to cater to me."

@jin6186

14 күн бұрын

He literally said that he doesn't expect people to cater to him either, he said he wouldn't care if they kicked him for not waiting for Mr High Estrogen's cutscenes.

@tomvanramshorst2146

14 күн бұрын

You didn't watch the video it seems​@@jin6186

@PuthySlayer69420

14 күн бұрын

watch the actual vid instead of making stuff up he didnt say

@FieldMarshall3

13 күн бұрын

@@jin6186 He literally got upset that they made a big deal about him not waiting. That's where the "cater to me" comes in.

@jin6186

13 күн бұрын

@@FieldMarshall3 so he's not allowed to get upset anymore? lmao. It's impossible to not get upset when you're forced to play with bad players who make your dungeon take longer than it should and who watches cutscenes

"Please look forward to my 11 minute video of clickbait drama that I created myself instead of just taking the L quietly."

They didn't introduce trusts for people who want to watch the cutscenes. They invested that time for the DPS players who would have to wait over half an hour for a queue to pop, before they existed I'd have times where the DPS queue could take over an hour. I mained PCT through the story and every time I tried queuing it was over 30 mins, trusts are the reason I get to just keep playing through the MSQ rather than spending half my time doing other stuff while waiting for a queue to pop. Really, that a DPS player was willing to abandon content they've queued into says a lot. Also, trusts are also only solo, if you have a group of two or three friends who want to play through the story together they can't use trusts for that and would have to use the duty/party finder to fill out the party. The message about abandoning to do the dungeon with more cooperative people could very easily be read as someone talking to their friend that they queued with. Plus, AFAIK, you can get reported for using vote dismiss if it's not legitimately for one of the four reasons but abandoning doesn't have similar rules.

“Can’t expect everything to go your way” “you are all so close-minded” *proceeds act close-minded and expect everything to go his way* lol

I like you xeno but i have to strongly disagree on the cut scene watching, don't be a selfish prick, and just let them view the cs, if YOU don't want to watch the CS then do it alone or with trusts, and keep in mind not every dungeon can use trusts, telling them to "go do trusts to watch cs" is incredibly selfish. Also, no, the trusts were put in the game to prevent people being struck from HAVING TO WAIT 30+ MINS FOR QUE FOR STORY CONTENT. has nothing to do with your selfish reasoning. it can be one of the reasons, but it's not the main. and again, NOT EVERY FIGHT CAN USES TRUSTS. So if you go in, and die because you were to selfish to wait on the CS, this is entirely your own fault.

@Nothv13

14 күн бұрын

The boss intro cutscenes don't last long enough to cut you out of the fight. At most you'll miss a raid wide in a dungeon. Tanks can pull early and the people watching cutscene miss functionally nothing of the fights. Getting pissy with how 90% of the dungeons actually go and then holding the entire party hostage is the toxic part and that was his party, not him.

@shadowsage2636

14 күн бұрын

@@Nothv13 That was incredibly dumb and made no sense, you wait for the cutscenes to play out and don't be a selfish prick. that's pretty much it. he was at fault 100% for not waiting, end of discussion.

@Nothv13

13 күн бұрын

@@shadowsage2636 Ah yes, it is ok for the cutscene watcher to be selfish, but not the non cutscene watcher. If the party weren't immature and childish, they would have just joined after the cutscene and did the boss after Xeno's died.

@shadowsage2636

9 күн бұрын

@@Nothv13 This is a story game, watching CS is a massive part of it, so no, the person watching wasn't being selfish, i understand that if you are a selfish douch that you don't see how that is moronic think watching is. You watch the cut scene or go find something else to play, solo. i know you're too slow to get this, but you'll have to learn this one day. To summerize: Someone watching the CS is not selfish, otherwise doing prea, or ultima in duty finder means, by your logic everyone is "selfish" because you're forced to watch them, WHY DO YOU THINK THEY MADE THEM UNSKIPPABLE because too many SELFISH PRICKS were rushing people watching them, see how low IQ you are? You watch the CS and stop being selfish, that's it,

Xeems its 20 seconds and the expansion has been out for like maybe 2 weeks, cheel

When did the Trusts get introduced? Did he have the same take before they existed?

@coolyeh1017

14 күн бұрын

Trusts were introduced with Shadowbringers but only for MSQ Shadowbringers dungeons. Before that there were Squadrons which only went up to Heavensward dungeons) but you had to clear it first normally). Duty Support also was available after unlocking the and completing the dungeons but the NPCs all start at level 71 and you had to continuously do them to level them up. Duty Support was further expanded in Endwalker with all EW dungeons and subsequently every MSQ required dungeon starting from ARR to SB were updated for duty Support. I am not too sure about Xeems's take on this specifically but he has been known as the "toxic raiding elitist" before he changed his tune around WoW exodus Shadowbringers era and then Endwalker when he wasn't invited to the media tour for Endwalker. However, he has good takes and points which he backs-up but from time to time his takes are from a content creator or raiding perspective and sometimes forgets about the casuals or non-raiders who play FFXIV.

Buddy forgot his sense of politeness and common courtesy

@TheDigimonXYZ

14 күн бұрын

Is it polite to hold everyone to look at cutscene?

@kaloyaxeus

14 күн бұрын

@@TheDigimonXYZ It’s polite to let first-timers enjoy the cutscenes :)

@ich3730

14 күн бұрын

@@kaloyaxeus While that is true, i can see the other side of the coin. Claiming 3 other peoples time because someone wants to watch a somewhat meaningless animation play out seems entitled to me.

@luckytanuki5449

14 күн бұрын

​@@ich3730That only applies when it's not, oh I don't know, LITERALLY THE EXPANSION Launch... How you gonna complain about people watching cutscenes that you skipped when it is week 1 or 2 of the expansion launch and everyone is still playing through the story... You have just as bad of a take as xeno lol

@duncanmacleod6274

14 күн бұрын

@@ich3730 First of all, it's only like 8 seconds and it's part of the intended story experience. Second, Xeno even said that 2 of the party members were in CS. It's not holding anyone hostage, and half of the players were the ones in CS here.

I remember coming into FFXIV as a WoW refugee and one of the points of pride in the community was "if a sprout is watching the cutscene, we wait" and it was honestly such a breath of fresh air to experience people with soul. Dunno if WoWification is what you want happening here.

@deroestheknight7853

14 күн бұрын

Probably the best point I've seen so far as another WoW Refugee, I can't tell ya how many times I'd enter a dungeon in WoW and get stuck in a cutscene only to finally get out of it and find out everything up till 2 bosses over is dead or even worse have it cut off mid way since the dungeon would be over already and the timer just ran out (Only happened a couple time but it was very jarring). Coming to FF14 and having people stand there and wait during even ARR dungeons was a huge breath of fresh air.

@aikidodude05

14 күн бұрын

its still is largely for the community a if someone is watching the cutscene dont you dare pull which is why he is salty that they got mad at him.

@Zakjuh

14 күн бұрын

Agreed. If Xenos doesn't want to wait an extra 20seconds to go back to Limsa, he can just run exclusively with his fellow cutscene skipper friends.

@chestercarter6081

14 күн бұрын

That's the problem. Wow refugees (the content creator ones) came in mass droves like we older wow refugees regretted and knew they would ruin the game.

@lunaticmode638

14 күн бұрын

Maybe cause dungeon cutscenes dont matter? its literally just "camera panning to the boss" the cutscenes that DO matter are unskippable now anyway

Looked up the word "entitled" and you see then you see this guy

i just like the "you cant expect others to adhere to your way of doing it" while expecting others to adhere to his way of doing it.

Its been a common theme in 99% of the groups i have run (and i mostly pug) that if someone is watching a cutscene you wait. It's like 30s its not a big deal to wait and the BONUS of doing things in multiplayer over trusts is that maybe you get to have a small conversation or comment about the story. its a cool potential interaction. I get the whole "dont expect people to play how you want to play" but also same to you. Dont expect people to do trusts when they could queue and interact with people in an MMO. The only dumb about this whole interaction in the video though is just quitting the dungeon instead of either kicking or making xeno wait.

@cattysplat

14 күн бұрын

Yeah he says people should just play single player mode if they don't want to deal with him, treating his party like a bunch of NPCs using 0 chat.

@ich3730

14 күн бұрын

@@cattysplat Which is how the game trains you to treat people. Dungeons are literally designed to not require any teamwork or thought, there is never any gameplay reason to communicate with the 3 randoms in DF. That was something we had back in the day, but SE made it pretty clear through the design of modern dungeons and the reworking of old ones that they WANT them to be speedran.

@duncanmacleod6274

14 күн бұрын

@@ich3730If they wanted people skipping cutscenes, they would not keep making cutscenes in the first place. Making them skippable at all is a gift to groups with no first-timers; not an encouragement to rush the people that actually haven't seen them. Last time people tried to rush other players to skip cutscenes frequently was Main Scenario, and remember what they did with those? That's right, they just made them unskippable for everyone because they didn't want people doing what you want to do.

This is some Shopping Cart Theory level stuff really. You don’t have to, but should you?

What's funny about this is that, playing "his way" where he just runs in without being aware of the party, can potentially lead to his death, depending on the length of cutscenes (non-DRK probably not). So by his explanation, he'll run in, die, and that's "his way of playing". I do feel where he is coming from, because some cutscenes before bosses when running trials take forever and you just wanna go, but his suggestion falls short of the general public (like it often does) and also seems inefficient time wise if he cannot stay alive during the cutscene.

This guy got invited to media tour 😭😭😭

6:43 you're not gonna be personally upset at them yet this video exists

just to the mindset "use trusts for cutscenes", quick reminder last time that people were shitting on new players for watching cutscenes ... they got mandatory for everyone. so i recommend just to wait the few seconds EDIT: Ill keep my original comment up, but i have to admit i fucked up, i didnt watch the entire video and only saw his take "if you wanna watch CS use Trust". Now im still against that stance, since that can be spun into the exact opposite "If you dont wanna wait on people just use trust" so at all it is a nothing Burger. But what i absolutly hated about this group is how they treated him. Pulling without realizing someone is watching a CS can happen, shit happens to me alot. But then go ou tof their way to effectivly harrass and grief him is just utter BS and they were complete dipshits.

@awtodor

14 күн бұрын

Damn those 8 man sprints through praetorium and castrum were sick tho lol just leaving people in cs's while you demolish Nero

@gregorydeleon8373

14 күн бұрын

@@awtodor miss those days

@Cassandra_Solidor

14 күн бұрын

There's a massive difference between Prae, Castrum and Ultima cutscenes and dungeons. The former were all story significant and the literal conclusion to ARR whereas dungeons are typically the boss going "rawr!!" While I don't think it's a big deal to wait, it's not something they're remotely consider making mandatory.

@teemopanda02

14 күн бұрын

@@Cassandra_Solidor Most people didn't view the prae situation as mandatory either, with the general consensus on forums being it's a non-issue and just to watch the cutscenes in inns. However, Japanese players in particular given the culture's strong belief in courtesy, were upset by the situation and that's when it was implemented.

@zugetzuzu

14 күн бұрын

@@teemopanda02 Another example of Square and Yoshi listening only to the JP audience. Probably for the better since I know how it was to have a praetorium run completely destroyed as you get another cutscene before you finish your first one and didn't get to participate at all but it's still so frustrating that Square/Yoshi really ONLY listens to JP unless EU/NA are in a massive uproar. I mean fk they didn't even acknowledge the umbral ice problem on black mage until JP players complained about it and only then did we get a official post about it, DESPITE IT BEING BROUGHT UP DURING MEDIA TOUR

Zeno: "use trusts for cutscenes". The community did not like that.

Man, I feel bad when I pull final boss too fast cause I get zoned out tank brain yelling ‘go, go, go!’ A simple mb would have been enough to smooth things over and all this drama didn’t need to be a thing.

@coolyeh1017

14 күн бұрын

As a player who queues into whatever class for leveling sometimes I forget others are playing the dungeon or raid for the first time (though for 8-man they stop you). Usually a "whoops, my bad" or "sorry I zoned out and didn't pay attention that they were in a cutscene" will be fine with 99.99% of players.

Tbh if someone pulls before a cutscene is done, have fun with that, I'm not skipping my cutscene because you cant wait 10 seconds lmao

Solution - Yoshi-P enforces cutscene watching in all dungeons. Problem solved, next drama plox

@coolyeh1017

14 күн бұрын

Literally the reason why we have mandatory nonskippable cutscenes in MSQ roulette.

Nothing wrong with waiting for the CS, but it's also not a big deal if the party starts while you're in it. Healer only invited more drama by not continuing the fight.

I've NEVER had a tank not wait when someone was watching the cut scenes. I've also never used the trust lmao.

1. The Trust system was only implemented in Endwalker , people still have the mentality of waiting for cutscene people to finish , yes , it's been 2 years , but I guarantee that 90% of people did not play for the entirety of it . 2. You die in Trust , you wipe , noone will revive you , noone will try to teach you or alert you , nothing , you'll raw dog it again for the next 10 minutes because "Oh FINALLY I get it!" 3. Why the Fuck am I playing an MMORPG , if I want to play a Single Player game?

@Dynme

14 күн бұрын

Trusts have been here for half a decade, since the start of Shadowbringer.

@Vanilla-Stinky-Heals

14 күн бұрын

@@Dynme I probably didnt notice since I was a free trial.player during shadowbringers , and it worked only for higher level dungeons.But only during Endwalker did they introduce it in lower level dungeons

@ThatRedHusky

14 күн бұрын

@@Dynme Yes but you had to level them. And they were only for ShB dungeons. If you didn't level them, too bad. No trust for you other than Holminster Switch. Literally the ONLY dungeon you could run.

@ich3730

14 күн бұрын

@@ThatRedHusky Erm... thats not how this works, not even in SHB. Leveling trusts is only for achievement and second glam on the characters, you could always queue with the story mode trust

@82__

14 күн бұрын

I've done ARR MSQ on a new character recently, there's trust NPCs for every dungeon now.

Waiting for cutscenes is just the polite thing to do. It’s at most 20 to 30 seconds tops and not a big deal to wait. If you think its unreasonable to wait a bit for cutscenes, then you can go in with a full premade if you want to just skip.

@FaceLolSmiley

14 күн бұрын

Pulling during cutscenes is just the polite thing to do. It's at most 10% of the boss's HP and not a big deal to pull. If you think its unreasnable to pull during a cutscene, then you should do trusts if you want to watch cutscene.

@UnknownArchivo

14 күн бұрын

the final boss cutscene literally just shows you the boss and its stupid ass name its not that serious and imo it shouldnt even exist in the first place

@Andarath69

14 күн бұрын

Do a trust if you wanna watch cutscenes

@qwertythekid2688

14 күн бұрын

@@UnknownArchivo There are at least half a dozen dungeons where this isn't true.

@jotapechan_

14 күн бұрын

cant u use the same argument against that?

If nothing else this pushes me more to watch cutscenes in the dungeons to spite "people won't play how you want to" players, because I sure don't want to play the way you want to when you're trying to push people to play how YOU want them to instead of getting a premade to do it how you want to faster than a trust. Trusts are definitely a surefire way to both watch and play the content, but I don't want to make the game feel more automated than it already is with bots. I will say the whole thing was blown out of proportion though, that entire exchange is wild lmao

I am going to deactivate the skip cutscenes seen options, and I am going to queue as a tank and healer, and watch every cut scene in every dungeon.

Personally, the reason i dont like to do trusts for my first time in dungeons is because i dont like that they spoil how to resolve the mechanics. If its my first time i want to have a little fun figuring out some quirky dungeon boss mechs, nothing to do with speed. EDIT: I should add this is pretty much specifically at expansion launches when its a pretty large chance youll get a full party of first timers so everyone is running around screaming

@AsatsuyaH

14 күн бұрын

And it's amazingly fun! One of the expert dungeons this expansion had my entire party laughing SO hard because we were dying and dealing with surprises. lol

@IssicheaV

14 күн бұрын

I don’t like cus it slow as fuck

@binhhoangbapham7231

14 күн бұрын

I totally agree with you, especially with Y'shtola in your trust party, she knows exactly where to move before the mech even starts (with her aether eyes I guess). I love running with a full party of all first timers, we died and died, but it was fun. Only got that feeling every 2 years tbh.

I don't use the trust since I play the story with another person. We both watch the cutscenes, and if someone does just pull the boss anyway, that's fine. Most people extend the courtesy to wait, but I'm not going to throw a fit if someone doesn't. The take of "You can't expect other people to play your way" is absolutely correct since it goes both ways, but I feel like people didn't understand that

@bluumberry

14 күн бұрын

A sane person in the comment section!

@gtgtgtgtgt123456789

14 күн бұрын

Someone who actually understands.

@milly5629

14 күн бұрын

facts

People with this mindset are the reason why the Main Scenario 8 (now 4) Player Dungeon Cutscenes are not skippable, even when everyone has already done it.

Dudes hair left him 🤣